Pulling a trailer, part time jeep?

Connemara Farmer

Was checking out DD earlier and looking at 95-98ish pajeros for 1,200 to 1800 or there abouts. Getting stock hauled at the moment and while it's grand for mart runs, it's not convenient for moving stock locally (both Dads and my farm are fragmented).

What would ye reckon of buying a jeep of that vintage just for towing, commercial tax? Not sure what insurance would be like. Would be thinking of keeping my car for daily driving.

epfff

Connemara Farmer wrote: »

Was checking out DD earlier and looking at 95-98ish pajeros for 1,200 to 1800 or there abouts. Getting stock hauled at the moment and while it's grand for mart runs, it's not convenient for moving stock locally (both Dads and my farm are fragmented).

What would ye reckon of buying a jeep of that vintage just for towing, commercial tax? Not sure what insurance would be like. Would be thinking of keeping my car for daily driving.

Big problem is doe (90)every year plus tax (350)plus insurance (400)then put diesel in it
Overpaying your haulier now seems cheep imo

Connemara Farmer

It's not only hauling sheep, but if I want to get something at supply centre at short notice, or if I want to buy ration or fodder etc. All can be delivered of course, tis just a pain in the hole some times.

gctest50

since you'd be paying insurance and tax anyway
would a little truck be an idea ?
( dunno the cost difference for you)


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Bodacious

Connemara Farmer wrote: »

It's not only hauling sheep, but if I want to get something at supply centre at short notice, or if I want to buy ration or fodder etc. All can be delivered of course, tis just a pain in the hole some times.

A nice 1.6hdi berlingo or partner .. Lighter on juice and great cheap runaround and will get her through the doe probably handier than an aging jeep

Farrell

Bodacious wrote: »

A nice 1.6hdi berlingo or partner .. Lighter on juice and great cheap runaround and will get her through the doe probably handier than an aging jeep

What about a crew-cab?

dzer2

If you are buying something like that you should look at a transit van up to 05 same tax and insurance. Great for trailer work and lots of room if you need to get meal or the likes.

Connemara Farmer

gctest50 wrote: »

since you'd be paying insurance and tax anyway
would a little truck be an idea ?
( dunno the cost difference for you)


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Wouldn't be gone on one to be honest, heard they can be a bit :eek: pulling a trailer. Looked into Dyna before but that's very light.

Bodacious wrote: »

A nice 1.6hdi berlingo or partner .. Lighter on juice and great cheap runaround and will get her through the doe probably handier than an aging jeep

Wouldn't think they'd (legally) be up to much towing in regards to weight.

Farrell wrote: »

What about a crew-cab?

Herself reckons I'd need PPS numbers for my "workers" to justify one to tax office

kay 9

What size trailer?

Connemara Farmer

kay 9 wrote: »

What size trailer?

8x5 with sheep deck, weighs 700kg on the plate. Will take 20 ewes weighing in or around........ We'll say 1200kg, so 1900kg with trailer and sheep.

Bullocks

Once you don't mind the yearly running costs it would be grand , the doe could be pricey depending on condition of the jeep . I dont honestly know if its worth it though .
What size trailer have you for pulling ? Thats about the only reason it would be necessary really .

Farrell

Connemara Farmer wrote: »

Wouldn't be gone on one to be honest, heard they can be a bit :eek: pulling a trailer. Looked into Dyna before but that's very light.



Wouldn't think they'd (legally) be up to much towing in regards to weight.



Herself reckons I'd need PPS numbers for my "workers" to justify one to tax office

once you've a herd number or vat number you can register as commercial.
Would a caddy not be sufficient for the weight your pulling

kay 9

Connemara Farmer wrote: »

8x5 with sheep deck, weighs 700kg on the plate. Will take 20 ewes weighing in or around........ We'll say 1200kg, so 1900kg with trailer and sheep.

A 4x4 is a handy machine and is pretty useful in bad ground even with a trailer on. I'd say go for it if you think you need it. I had vans before and tbh they ain't much more economical when pulling, between changing bushes more often etc and they burn as much go go juice as a 4x4 when towing. Plus, a van is useless if it hits a cow **** never mind heavy ground. Make sure you get a good one and best of luck with whatever you decide. Ps. Tyres are very important. Mud terrains and the tractor won't get as much use, all terrains ain't bad either and more suited to Road

arctictree

Be aware of the cost of insurance of a second vehicle. Apparently, you are not allowed use your no claims bonus on more than one vehicle? BTW, I am a sheep farmer and the jeep is the handiest thing I have.

feartuath

Connemara Farmer wrote: »

Was checking out DD earlier and looking at 95-98ish pajeros for 1,200 to 1800 or there abouts. Getting stock hauled at the moment and while it's grand for mart runs, it's not convenient for moving stock locally (both Dads and my farm are fragmented).

What would ye reckon of buying a jeep of that vintage just for towing, commercial tax? Not sure what insurance would be like. Would be thinking of keeping my car for daily driving.

i have an 1990 mitsubishi shorgun/pajero its worth its weight in gold. My Defender always needed a hand but this yoke is here 5 years and only has had tyres,brakes and a clutch.It pulls a 12x5.6 Ifor willams with maybe 4 cows and calves no prob.
Dad is nearly 80 and he doe's it and insures it cheaper than I ,I think the Doe centre takes pity on him with it and it always passes.:)

paddysdream

Farrell wrote: »

once you've a herd number or vat number you can register as commercial.
Would a caddy not be sufficient for the weight your pulling

Legally think caddy can tow about ton and a half ie 1500 kgs.Would easily pull a bit more buts its stopping it that can be the problem at times.
Plus van ain't up to a lot in even a greasy grass field on its own ,let alone dragging a load behind it

rangler1

Connemara Farmer wrote: »

Was checking out DD earlier and looking at 95-98ish pajeros for 1,200 to 1800 or there abouts. Getting stock hauled at the moment and while it's grand for mart runs, it's not convenient for moving stock locally (both Dads and my farm are fragmented).

What would ye reckon of buying a jeep of that vintage just for towing, commercial tax? Not sure what insurance would be like. Would be thinking of keeping my car for daily driving.

Very expensive to be running two vehicles, advantage of the crew cab is the extra seating, you can keep the cab clean and smell free for the family, and carry 500kgs+ (or a ewe) in the pickup........like the quad, you'll wonder how you did without it,
My own Mitsubishi gave stupid trouble when it got to 120,000 mls, when I spent 1500 yos yos on it and gave trouble again I lost patience. The guy that bought seems to be delighted, so I should've persevered

Muckit

An 8x5 is plated for 2400kg.

1500kg towing capacity ain't worth a w**k practically for farming purposes.

Plus caddy type vans are as light as a car behind and so would be very susceptible to jack knifing if attempting to pull a trailer with a live load. Pulling a builders trailer with a few barrows of turf is a totally different kettle of fish to a livestock trailer with 3 stores or two decks of lambs.

Kevin McCloud

A 4x4 is best option, depending on size of van towing capacity can be small, plus the jeep having 4 wheel drive when you want it and low box is a huge advantage over a 2 wheel drive van.

greysides

I think the crew-cabs can be skittish on wet roads if there's no weight in the back. Some 4x4 systems allow for use on normal road surfaces and others don't. This becomes important where road conditions are varying during the trip. The 3 litre pre-D4D Land Cruisers have a good reputation for reliability.

Kevin McCloud

greysides wrote: »

I think the crew-cabs can be skittish on wet roads if there's no weight in the back. Some 4x4 systems allow for use on normal road surfaces and others don't. This becomes important where road conditions are varying during the trip. The 3 litre pre-D4D Land Cruisers have a good reputation for reliability.

The leaf spring set up don't help them at all, cant kill the old cruisers the had transfer box problems alrite but lack of servicing could be alot of the cause.

Mad4simmental

Be very carefull buying a runaround jeep. Get one with test and check the back axels/chassis for rust. Most makes of 4x4 that have spent a few years in Ireland are pigs for rotting there.

After that when you start to use one you'll never look back. Most of them are a bit hard on juice but not to bad. Dosnt bother me as my diesel is a different colour.

Limestone Cowboy

greysides wrote: »

I think the crew-cabs can be skittish on wet roads if there's no weight in the back. Some 4x4 systems allow for use on normal road surfaces and others don't. This becomes important where road conditions are varying during the trip. The 3 litre pre-D4D Land Cruisers have a good reputation for reliability.

Have one with 260k on it now and it's ticking over like a mouses heart. Great machine!

tanko

Anyone got any views on a Kia Sorrento or a Nissan Terrano as a farmers jeep?

Kevin McCloud

tanko wrote: »

Anyone got any views on a Kia Sorrento or a Nissan Terrano as a farmers jeep?

The terrano be a good jeep anyway, them 2.7 engines go forever. They use them engines in black cabs in london. They do over 700,000 miles in the cabs anyway.
Is the kia a 2 plus 2 i wonder?

greysides

Someone I knew had a Terrano and traded it. I think the problem was some part of the transmission (clutch, I think) was extremely awkward and tedious to get at to replace and therefore expensive.

The Sorrento is available in 4x4 but it's a half-way house between a true 4x4 and a car. Economical, comfortable but not farmer-robust. More for towing horse-boxes than cattle trailers.

Kevin McCloud

Has the sorrento low box?

greysides

Kevin McCloud wrote: »

Has the sorrento low box?

Don't know, a friend had one and it's a while ago. Google suggests 'yes' but as specs vary in different countries I wouldn't trust it. It was the older one he had, a while after they came out.

Kevin McCloud

If it has be a good jeep as any, 4wd jeep with no low box imo is useless.

Mad4simmental

Kevin McCloud wrote: »

Has the sorrento low box?

Very soft gearboxes, and they sh!t them selves after 150,000. Transfer boxes are dirt. If you have tyres wearing at different stages they just pack up the transfer box. Stay away from the Kia.

http://www.donedeal.ie/commercials-for-sale/toyota-landcruiser/7908538

That's value IMO

smokey-fitz

2.7 terrano is great jeep, had one here for years and put up with alot of grief too. Can be got really cheap too. Every bit as good as an old paj but cheaper, and a bit more economical. Have an old 95 2.8 paj does around 23-25 mpg terrano was closer to 30 mpg

tanko

smokey-fitz wrote: »

2.7 terrano is great jeep, had one here for years and put up with alot of grief too. Can be got really cheap too. Every bit as good as an old paj but cheaper, and a bit more economical. Have an old 95 2.8 paj does around 23-25 mpg terrano was closer to 30 mpg

I've heard good things about terranos, a couple of lads I know had them and liked them.
Is it possible to buy a passenger jeep, take the seats out of it and tax it as a commercial or is there a snag with doing this?

Limofarmer

tanko wrote: »

I've heard good things about terranos, a couple of lads I know had them and liked them.
Is it possible to buy a passenger jeep, take the seats out of it and tax it as a commercial or is there a snag with doing this?

had a transit for years .
Just not up to 5 he job
I bought an 05 landcruiser earlier in the year. Serious piece of kit . Will go anywhere with trailer and not that much harder ran than the transit . Buy once buy right .

TITANIUM.

Ya I agree with the couple of lads that recommended the Land cruiser above. Have one here, SWB and it's fantastic.
Use it for everything you describe you wanted one for. I must say I can't fault it.
When the time comes twill b another 2nd hand land cruiser ill b getting no doubt about it.

whelan2

Got this last week 04 passenger with commercial tax.

Zoo4m8

Jeep, end of story.... On my fourth Landcruiser , almost live in it, go anywhere, do anything machine.
Mine would be like a dog kennel inside, rarely washed but not thrashed and properly serviced so I can honestly say I have never had one bit of trouble with any of them.
To me a van would be as much use as a one legged man at an arse kicking contest, no grip no ground clearance ..my place is sloping, if I see trouble up the fields I can be up the top in a jiffy.
I think it's interesting to look around the car park in the local mart, 98% trailers have a jeep in front...says it all IMHO...

darragh_haven

whelan2 wrote: »

Got this last week 04 passenger with commercial tax.

How'd you get commercial tax on that?

whelan2

darragh_haven wrote: »

How'd you get commercial tax on that?

Take out 2 back seats. Put in dog guard. Bring to tax office and then get cvrt done.

Bullocks

whelan2 wrote: »

Take out 2 back seats. Put in dog guard. Bring to tax office and then get cvrt done.

I didn't know it could be done that easily . Well wear w2

whelan2

Bullocks wrote: »

I didn't know it could be done that easily . Well wear w2

thanks we where looking for a good while before we got this, got it in Galway on donedeal. Previous owner-a garage- did all the changeover from passenger to comercial. Big saving on tax, comprehensive insurance is 360 on it

rangler1

whelan2 wrote: »

Got this last week 04 passenger with commercial tax.

Have seen lots of jeeps get away like that, then the tester won't pass them with the seats.
I only needed to bring my license to test the jeep on Friday, so they mightn't cop it's ommercial

whelan2

rangler1 wrote: »

Have seen lots of jeeps get away like that, then the tester won't pass them with the seats.
I only needed to bring my license to test the jeep on Friday, so they mightn't cop it's ommercial

have the most of a years test on it, will worry about that then, its automatic also. Pulled a trailer load of cattle to Virginia no bother the other day

C0N0R

whelan2 wrote: »

have the most of a years test on it, will worry about that then, its automatic also. Pulled a trailer load of cattle to Virginia no bother the other day

Take out the very back seats or the ones behind the driver?? How much she cost if you don't mind me asking?

whelan2

C0N0R wrote: »

Take out the very back seats or the ones behind the driver?? How much she cost if you don't mind me asking?

the very back seats, so still a 5 seater. Most important bit is the kids are safe:). 9200 euro. We didnt get the 2 seats so no temptation to put them back in

Muckit

The tiger rug was worth the price on it's own. ...eye of the tiger whelan RARRRRRRR!!!!!!!

whelan2

Muckit wrote: »

The tiger rug was worth the price on it's own. ...eye of the tiger whelan RARRRRRRR!!!!!!!

was waiting for that:D oh put that in, it covers up the 2 holes where the back seat where fixed in

Muckit

Oh right. So was there two rows of seats originally? Can you get comm tax in a jeep with one back seat? Never knew that. Good to know when sprogs come

whelan2

Muckit wrote: »

Oh right. So was there two rows of seats originally? Can you get comm tax in a jeep with one back seat? Never knew that. Good to know when sprogs come

ye , good to know all's ok if stopped by cutoms / gardai

orm0nd

rangler1 wrote: »

Have seen lots of jeeps get away like that, then the tester won't pass them with the seats.
I only needed to bring my license to test the jeep on Friday, so they mightn't cop it's ommercial

am i right in thinking commercial goes for doe (vtn or whatever), and passenger goes for nct ?

Connemara Farmer

rangler1 wrote: »

Very expensive to be running two vehicles, advantage of the crew cab is the extra seating, you can keep the cab clean and smell free for the family, and carry 500kgs+ (or a ewe) in the pickup........like the quad, you'll wonder how you did without it,
My own Mitsubishi gave stupid trouble when it got to 120,000 mls, when I spent 1500 yos yos on it and gave trouble again I lost patience. The guy that bought seems to be delighted, so I should've persevered

tanko wrote: »

I've heard good things about terranos, a couple of lads I know had them and liked them.
Is it possible to buy a passenger jeep, take the seats out of it and tax it as a commercial or is there a snag with doing this?

whelan2 wrote: »

Got this last week 04 passenger with commercial tax.

whelan2 wrote: »

Take out 2 back seats. Put in dog guard. Bring to tax office and then get cvrt done.

rangler1 wrote: »

Have seen lots of jeeps get away like that, then the tester won't pass them with the seats.
I only needed to bring my license to test the jeep on Friday, so they mightn't cop it's ommercial

whelan2 wrote: »

the very back seats, so still a 5 seater. Most important bit is the kids are safe. 9200 euro. We didnt get the 2 seats so no temptation to put them back in

Big multi post thingy so just bolded some bits.

Besides the practical and legal issues related to towing trailers, we also have two kids here. Most days I have just the young one going to primary but for example I'll also have the older fella going to secondary next week as they're both off school.

So I would be interested in the 7 seater down to 5 seats, or a crewcab (needs be reliable machine though).

I'm a little wary because I can't afford say next Summer be stopped by someone and have it seized or told have to tax it private, so that avenue would have to be bulletproof re tax, insurance incase of accident, doe/nct?

* The above being if I were to sell my Avensis and buy a jeep of whatever type with more than two seats.

Saw one private jeep on DD was €1450 tax, no thanks.

Bodacious

smokey-fitz wrote: »

2.7 terrano is great jeep, had one here for years and put up with alot of grief too. Can be got really cheap too. Every bit as good as an old paj but cheaper, and a bit more economical. Have an old 95 2.8 paj does around 23-25 mpg terrano was closer to 30 mpg

I had a go go berlingo for tippin about .. Traded her in 3 years ago and bought a 2.7d Ssangyong Rexton.. 2006 .. They not dear and drive like a car, Mercedes own ssangyong in Korea so Mercedes licensed engine and not an ounce of trouble .. It's so handy to have 4wd , it's no land cruiser to tow but far more economical too

I'm told 2.7 engine is streets ahead of the 2.9 version