3D Print

Faktuu

Alun wrote: »

What's needed for the problem of replacing stupidly expensive plastic bits and pieces that break is for the manufacturers themselves to embrace 3D printing. Most of the seemingly ridiculous cost for such things is not the part itself, but having to maintain storage space for them and all the paperwork / admin around it. It would be advantageous to the manufacturers to be able to just forget about all that and allow users to select parts online, have a 3D printer print them based on the CAD drawings they already have and send them by post. Either that, or for obsolete products, simply put the 3D CAD drawings into the public domain and let either the users, or small local 3D printing shops print them themselves.

one thing buddy
patents and licences

the big companies know all about it and for example hypebeast.com/2014/10/panasonic-introduces-3d-printed-camera-covers-inspired-by-design-epochs

and they know very well about it
the idea they have for it is that they will hold the files on a server and allow you to print the object after a fee was paid, they are designing the systems in such way that a user would never ever have that file on computer rather the code will be streemed directly to a printer and you will pay per copy printed

also as the 3d printers are getting better and safer due to emerging standards and competition on parts for diy printers
There is more and more information getting on the web that a DIY printer will rape your wife ,bruise your kids till third generation, keep mother in law alive and burn your house to the ground.
HP announced they will start selling 3d printers next year
i wonder if that has anything in common

Alun

Well, yes, I'd assumed that at least for current equipment you'd have to pay for the part, or to be somehow able to pay to stream it to the printer in such a way that you couldn't copy it. I personally wouldn't have a problem with that if it meant I could extend the life of a piece of equipment without spending silly amounts of money.

Faktuu

there is no reason to think that large commercial companies would ever allow customers to fix any device with printed parts of projects supplied by them payed or not, thats not how it works, everything (unless DIY or pre 20 century) is built not to last so they could sell you a new one.

When it comes to stuff like cases of various kinds i think they should by free after all you don`t need one without the device.
Also good for sales where one could buy basic/standard version and than tweak to own needs.
If i remember correct, some car makers announced that they will allow for some parts to be printed by user of free files but these will be for interior tweaks only not actual mechanical parts that car needs to run.

Some companies already go that road, example:
pcgamer.com/roccat-nyth-mmo-mouse-supports-3d-printed-buttons-in-a-fully-modular-grid/
Brilliant mouse that i want when it comes out.

The real problem is that large companies really like to claim ownership of open source projects whenever such opportunity arises, no point to blame them for that, money are money and i would do the same in that position ,
there are examples of that out there like this one
traverseda.wordpress.com/2014/05/23/makerbot-blatently-steals-and-patents-a-community-design/

Also since in the near future it will be possible to scan and print almost perfect copy of part than such act might become illegal as there is to many businesses that make money on parts only (Car makers as an example, there are printers that can do metal though very expensive at the moment) or maybe it`s not gone be all that bad as maybe just maybe we will see drop in cost of parts as there will be no need to stock them rather print as needed by authorized dealer.

So will see what the future brings

P.S. still looking for raw material

wandatowell

I ran out of paper this morning, could you fax me up some??

scamalert

Faktuu wrote: »

Also since in the near future it will be possible to scan and print almost perfect copy of part than such act might become illegal as there is to many businesses that make money on parts only (Car makers as an example, there are printers that can do metal though very expensive at the moment) or maybe it`s not gone be all that bad as maybe just maybe we will see drop in cost of parts as there will be no need to stock them rather print as needed by authorized dealer.

So will see what the future brings

P.S. still looking for raw material

Car parts are already being done by machines,not so much as you would call them printers,but concept is materials are loaded and machine cuts measures bends and all that,so i dont think there is any threat to such industry,as anyone could buy such tech-but cost vise it would take forever to pay off for individual or some business alone. As for printing cases and what not items that are small and not so complex-it will be case as someone making design and releasing it for free to download-same as we have battles with illegal downloads,music tv industry tries to protect their rights to ownership but go to any torrent and get it for free,its illegal but most don't really care.

Faktuu

first
3d printers are much much simpler, less costly and way more versatile than a single cnc router that often cost the same or more than a printer and i`m talking about high end 8 axis router where a printer can do a better job with just 3
when talking about DIY than printers also win

When it comes to everyone can buy one and do it, well cnc routers exist for decades and only few have them why ?
coz they are just not good enough for anyone to use. they requaire way more training and material knowledge

about the torrents most is not all and you only think that it`s for free. Let me tell you that we are all paying for so called free torrents only ppl are to blind to see that it is payed for elsewhere.
also as a business you can not allow yourself to be summoned to court for something silly like piracy
and if you are so clever why don`t you scan and print money?

scamalert

Yeah then go ahead and print some pistons if your so smart here
As it seems you go mixing business with large factories that use multimillion machinery with home DIY printers then go rumble about business and cost that doesnt make sense on what items can be produced ,and ones that can be used in general as being reliable and cost effective.
If you want to make door knobs and curtain hangers any 3d printer can do that,if you want to showcase some hexagon shape printed just because it looks cool but has no use its cool with me.

Just dont go rumbling that any 3d printer that can use plastic mostly is superior to any machinery that uses different materials and metals as now you make it sound like everything is made of share plastic only.

Faktuu

scamalert wrote: »

Yeah then go ahead and print some pistons if your so smart here
As it seems you go mixing business with large factories that use multimillion machinery with home DIY printers then go rumble about business and cost that doesnt make sense on what items can be produced ,and ones that can be used in general as being reliable and cost effective.
If you want to make door knobs and curtain hangers any 3d printer can do that,if you want to showcase some hexagon shape printed just because it looks cool but has no use its cool with me.

Just dont go rumbling that any 3d printer that can use plastic mostly is superior to any machinery that uses different materials and metals as now you make it sound like everything is made of share plastic only.

well than just f^%$ google it do some research and than will talk

superMarco

Sorry for the up, but where did you buy your printer ? and which model do you have ?

ScumLord

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

When you factor in the price of your machine raw materials electricity your time etc are the parts you are making actually cheaper than a mass produced one?,i can understand doing it for a very specialised part that is no longer available

It's probably cheaper to print some small part than to go out and find a source yourself, if you buy online you have to pay for shipping and wait a few days. 3D printer can have it to you in a matter of hours.

The consumer ones seem to have a problem in that they are heating up plastic and it's shrinking at random rates in different parts of the print so it won't be as uniform as a molded part from a supplier. I've seen videos of guys doing a lot of extra work sanding or reprinting because it cooled in a weird way.

I think we may see commercial units in suppliers printing licensed parts from a well maintained machine that can be super accurate but I think it will be a while if ever, before we'll see really accurate available to the consumer.