Torygraph: Irish and German fans showed hate to England last night

Kermit.de.frog

G'wan, read it. :pac:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/euro-2016/11163662/Republic-of-Ireland-fans-sold-anti-England-scarves-by-Germany-ahead-of-Euro-2016-qualifier-in-Gelsenkirchen.html

Germany and Republic of Ireland fans indulged their shared hatred of England when they met in Gelsenkirchen on Tuesday night.

Mal-Adjusted

dafuq? Since when is one lone person a representation of two nations?

kona

Rape and pillage a country for 800 years an expect a group of lads with a few pints to like you?!

Lol

Timberrrrrrrr

Isn't it nearly time for the annual poppy thread?

fleet_admiral

The English, a great bunch of bastards

Mint Sauce

And yet the English were delighted Germany failed to secure a win against us, always mark us high in the Eurovision.

Perhaps we're the great bunch of lads.

:rolls eyes:

Horselord

Germans are GOAT. The main man sent us over weapons in the good ole days.

iDave

They even managed an IRA reference. All that was missing was the Nazis.

Rightwing

I don't think that article merits a thread. But each to their own.

AnonoBoy

That's not hate.

Did you see the Albania debacle?

alchemist33

I've had to flog myself merely for opening the link.

Kermit.de.frog

Probably right. Can a mod move this to the Germany/Ireland thread?

I knew one of either the mail or telegraph would have some sort of article like that if Ireland got a result.

Harry Palmr

Rightwing wrote: »

I don't think that article merits a thread. But each to their own.

That article didn't merit an article. Shoddy scarves run up by some looser trying to make a few bob out of hate.

SEPT 23 1989

Two world wars and one world cup

Laois6556

It was only a small stand, how did it get in the papers? Dislike of the English is common in a lot of countries though.

ancapailldorcha

Laois6556 wrote: »

It was only a small stand, how did it get in the papers? Dislike of the English is common in a lot of countries though.

An English paper looking to distract it's readership from real issues like NHS privatisation, TTIP and so on...

The Rugged Chuck Norris

Kermit - It's nice to see you taking a break from the French Bashing.

I used to eat Frog Legs but I ate so many they became extinct in 18 Countries so I had to switch to Caviar

Ruu

It wasn't sanctioned by either football association? No sheet there!

Roger_007

kona wrote: »

Rape and pillage a country for 800 years an expect a group of lads with a few pints to like you?!

Lol

I thought the Germans had taken over the role of our oppressors?

(Or maybe it is the IMF, or the EU or the bankers)?

The important thing is we will always need someone else to blame for our own shortcomings!:rolleyes:

anncoates

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Did you see the Albania debacle?

To be fair, getting so far as to get your hands on a drone to annoy your rivals is pretty funny.

On topic: Brits Out, Tiocfaidh ár lá, zzzzz

whisky_galore

Wonder what kind of troglodyte actually buys and wears that sort of crap?

Sonderkommando

Sure half the irish fans will be supporting english clubs come the weekend!

Great result, was delighted for o shea.

AnonoBoy

anncoates wrote: »

To be fair, getting so far as to get your hands on a drone to annoy your rivals is pretty funny.

On topic: Brits Out, Tiocfaidh ár lá, zzzzz

I read it might have been the deputy prime minister controlling it!

Imagine Joan Burton flying a drone into Lansdowne Road during an Ireland/England game?

joseph brand

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

G'wan, read it. :pac:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/euro-2016/11163662/Republic-of-Ireland-fans-sold-anti-England-scarves-by-Germany-ahead-of-Euro-2016-qualifier-in-Gelsenkirchen.html

They seem to gloss over the warm camaraderie between the Irish and German fans. I don't see any mention of how there were less people bloodied, when compared to any England away games.

The English have hooligans. We have a hooley.

BoJack Horseman

I though the Telegraph reader comments would have been a bloodbath....

But they are pretty measured.

anncoates

AnonoBoy wrote: »

I read it might have been the deputy prime minister controlling it!

Imagine Joan Burton flying a drone into Lansdowne Road during an Ireland/England game?

Classic

anncoates

joseph brand wrote: »

The English have hooligans. We have a hooley.

Were just great really when you think about it.

Irish Guitarist

They're showing hate to a rival football team. You'd probably see the same at a match between Liverpool and Manchester United.

Colinf1212

Laois6556 wrote: »

Dislike of the English is common in a lot of countries though.

This is true. I remember a South Eastern European team chanting "IRA IRA IRA" vs England a year or so ago (Macedonia?).

The only fans of English people are middle-class free state Irish people who hate to be seen as Shinners and 14 year old girls from Cali who grew up watching Harry Potter.

Colinf1212

Roger_007 wrote: »

I thought the Germans had taken over the role of our oppressors?

(Or maybe it is the IMF, or the EU or the bankers)?

Good old fashioned Daily Mail reader. Yes, this German "oppression" is quite similar to the British conquest of Ireland. Quite so indeed :rolleyes:.

Harry Palmr

Colinf1212 wrote: »

This is true. I remember a South Eastern European team chanting "IRA IRA IRA" vs England a year or so ago (Macedonia?).

I think that's called WUM-erry.

Fratton Fred

Colinf1212 wrote: »

This is true. I remember a South Eastern European team chanting "IRA IRA IRA" vs England a year or so ago (Macedonia?).

The only fans of English people are middle-class free state Irish people who hate to be seen as Shinners and 14 year old girls from Cali who grew up watching Harry Potter.

I remember fans of a German team turning the home end of their ground in to a massive union flag with " no surrender" written across it when a supposedly Irish team visited them.

anncoates

Colinf1212 wrote: »

The only fans of English people are middle-class free state Irish people who hate to be seen as Shinners and 14 year old girls from Cali who grew up watching Harry Potter.

Calm down, you're dribbling.

Fratton Fred

anncoates wrote: »

Calm down, you're dribbling.

He's a closet Brit, they're always the worst.

anncoates

Fratton Fred wrote: »

He's a closet Brit, they're always the worst.

I like to think of him as Howling Gael.

Colinf1212

Fratton Fred wrote: »

I remember fans of a German team turning the home end of their ground in to a massive union flag with " no surrender" written across it when a supposedly Irish team visited them.

Yeah Hamburg. A lot of Germans were in uproar about it from what I remember. That team they were allies with are long dead now anyway

Fratton Fred

Colinf1212 wrote: »

Yeah Hamburg. A lot of Germans were in uproar about it from what I remember. That team they were allies with is long dead now anyway

lol, the Germans couldn't give a flying ****.

FTA69

Colinf1212 wrote: »

Good old fashioned Daily Mail reader. Yes, this German "oppression" is quite similar to the British conquest of Ireland. Quite so indeed :rolleyes:.

The average English person today is hardly to blame for the British conquest of Ireland.

Colinf1212

Fratton Fred wrote: »

lol, the Germans couldn't give a flying ****.

I remember the event pretty well and seen articles at the time with Germans in disgust over the incident.

Either way you can't defeat democracy these days and we'll see what happens in the coming decades with regards to "surrendering" :P

Colinf1212

FTA69 wrote: »

The average English person today is hardly to blame for the British conquest of Ireland.

WOW! What a revelation. Is this Barry McGuigan the second? Didn't come from the six counties but felt free to take up our issues as if he was somehow hurt by them and moral crusaded to his heart's content? Typical Southerner.

Nowhere did I say the average English person today is to blame for the British conquest of Ireland. Take your moral crusading elsewhere, my grandmother is English ffs.

Fratton Fred

Colinf1212 wrote: »

WOW! What a revelation. Is this Barry McGuigan the second? Didn't come from the six counties but felt free to take up our issues as if he was somehow hurt by them and moral crusaded to his heart's content? Typical Southerner.

Nowhere did I say the average English person today is to blame for the British conquest of Ireland. Take your moral crusading elsewhere, my grandmother is English ffs.

Your grandmother must be heartbroken to learn that you aren't a fan of hers.

FTA69

Colinf1212 wrote: »

WOW! What a revelation. Is this Barry McGuigan the second? Didn't come from the six counties but felt free to take up our issues as if he was somehow hurt by them and moral crusaded to his heart's content? Typical Southerner.

Nowhere did I say the average English person today is to blame for the British conquest of Ireland. Take your moral crusading elsewhere, my grandmother is English ffs.

Why are you ranting and raving? First of all, you can drop the whole "typical southerner" b*llocks. I've been a Republican activist since I was 14 years of age; namely because I believe that the best future for Ireland lies in a unified country predicated on a fairer system for all.

Second of all, scarves saying "f*cking English bastards" or whatever don't really fit my idea of progressive politics, regardless of the historical context involved.

Colinf1212

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Your grandmother must be heartbroken to learn that you aren't a fan of hers.

Rose Dugdale couldn't be happier.

Colinf1212

FTA69 wrote: »

Why are you ranting and raving? First of all, you can drop the whole "typical southerner" b*llocks. I've been a Republican activist since I was 14 years of age; namely because I believe that the best future for Ireland lies in a unified country predicated on a fairer system for all.

Second of all, scarves saying "f*cking English bastards" or whatever don't really fit my idea of progressive politics, regardless of the historical context involved.

I've not supported the scarves nor have I said the average English person is to blame for the British conquest of Ireland. So who is doing the ranting and raving?

Fratton Fred

Colinf1212 wrote: »

I've not supported the scarves nor have I said the average English person is to blame for the British conquest of Ireland. So who is doing the ranting and raving?

When you post things like this:

The only fans of English people are middle-class free state Irish people who hate to be seen as Shinners and 14 year old girls from Cali who grew up watching Harry Potter.

It does make you sound like you are ranting.

FTA69

The only fans of English people are middle-class free state Irish people who hate to be seen as Shinners and 14 year old girls from Cali who grew up watching Harry Potter.

Quotes like the above would lead some to believe you have a dislike for the English, that and bringing up the conquest of Ireland generally compounds that perception.

MRnotlob606

Not really significant , lazy sensationalist journalism though.

Colinf1212

FTA69 wrote: »

Quotes like the above would lead some to believe you have a dislike for the English, that and bringing up the conquest of Ireland generally compounds that perception.

Try and read the thread before you make an arse of yourself.

kona wrote: »

Rape and pillage a country for 800 years an expect a group of lads with a few pints to like you?!

Lol

Then the response to that was:

Roger_007 wrote: »

I thought the Germans had taken over the role of our oppressors?

(Or maybe it is the IMF, or the EU or the bankers)?

The important thing is we will always need someone else to blame for our own shortcomings!

Then I responded about how the comparison of the German oppression of Ireland and the British conquering of Ireland is ridiculous. It wasn't me "bringing" it up at all. Since the pillaging and "800 years" was what I was responding to.

And me saying not many people like the English doesn't mean I don't like the English. Don't assume.. You know the saying.

FTA69

Colinf1212 wrote: »

Rose Dugdale couldn't be happier.

Funnily enough I know Rose Dugdale and any time I spoke to her she was always a solid internationalist who wouldn't have much time for dopey slogans on football scarves referring to people as "bastards." Similarly she wasn't a partitionist who sought to write off people's opinions because they were from the south of Ireland as opposed to the north.

Colinf1212

FTA69 wrote: »

Funnily enough I know Rose Dugdale and any time I spoke to her she was always a solid internationalist who wouldn't have much time for dopey slogans on football scarves referring to people as "bastards." Similarly she wasn't a partitionist who sought to write off people's opinions because they were from the south of Ireland as opposed to the north.

I might have to stop communicating with you soon. I've told you I don't support the creating/selling of the scarves already. Do I have to tell you again?

I also never said I blamed the average English person for the conquest of England yet you assumed I did. It seems you're full of the moral crusading.

You're getting likes by a person who gloats over giant no surrender flags in Hamburg. I think that should be enough discussion between the two of us. Have a nice day.

FTA69

The only fans of English people are middle-class free state Irish people who hate to be seen as Shinners and 14 year old girls from Cali who grew up watching Harry Potter.

You said it mate, not me. So which "English people" are worthy of disliking then? West Ham fans? Ex-miners from Barnsley? Second-generation Bangladeshis from Poplar? I'm honestly perplexed like.