[Everything water charges here] Right To Water Protest 2pm Nov 1st @ Eyre Sq

renegademaster

anybody got any interest?

"R2W Galway BUS TO NATIONAL DEMO Saturday 11th October
Leaves Galway city centre 10am.Departs Dublin City centre 5.30pm
Cost €10.50 per seat (seats MUST be reserved asap)
PLEASE STATE BELOW IF YOU WANT SEAT/S RESERVING. Thanks."

https://www.facebook.com/right2watergalway/posts/1485286515090077?fref=nf

gordongekko

Not me. I'm in favour of a properly ran and funded water service.

renegademaster

gordongekko wrote: »

Not me. I'm in favour of a properly ran and funded water service.

so you're in favour of Denis O Briens role in this quango setup to further enrich him when he sells the company on for massive profits much like he did with esat?

inisboffin

gordongekko wrote: »

Not me. I'm in favour of a properly ran and funded water service.

Me too and that's not what we're getting at the moment.

Thanks for sharing the link

gordongekko

renegademaster wrote: »

so you're in favour of Denis O Briens role in this quango setup to further enrich him when he sells the company on for massive profits much like he did with esat?

What?

renegademaster

gordongekko wrote: »

What?

forget it

MadYaker

Why are people protesting now? If you wanted to protest against water charges you should have done it when the relevant legislation was being prepared and debated in the Dail, that was the time for protest and for telling your TD that you won't be voting for him in the next election if it goes through. It's a done deal now and no amount of protesting is going to change anything.

renegademaster

MadYaker wrote: »

Why are people protesting now? If you wanted to protest against water charges you should have done it when the relevant legislation was being prepared and debated in he Dail, that was the time for protest and for telling your TD that you won't be voting for him in the next election if it goes through. It's a done deal now and no amount of protesting is going to change anything.

thankfully, history proves your defeatest attitude wrong, end of

almost every right you have today was fought long and hard for, regardless of whether or not it was a "done deal"

MadYaker

renegademaster wrote: »

thankfully, history proves your defeatest attitude wrong, end of

almost every right you have today was fought long and hard for, regardless of whether or not it was a "done deal"

Do you believe that the water charges will be abolished because of protests?

jimmycrackcorm

It's a bit pointless protesting as it's not going to change anything. But €10.50 is a bargain for a return seat to go shopping

dloob

gordongekko wrote: »

What?

Believe it or not there are actually some ejiits who think Denis O'Brien is the majority shareholder of Irish Water.
Seriously you couldn't make it up!

Phoebas

dloob wrote: »

Believe it or not there are actually some ejiits who think Denis O'Brien is the majority shareholder of Irish Water.
Seriously you couldn't make it up!

Some people believe it; others know it isn't true but are willing to tell the lie for their cause.

Meeoow

Some eegits even believe it's not a private company even though it says it on their own website

dloob

Meeoow wrote: »

Some eegits even believe it's not a private company even though it says it on their own website

Well it was hardly going to be a public company, could you imagine the reaction to that!

JONJO THE MISER

renegademaster wrote: »

so you're in favour of Denis O Briens role in this quango setup to further enrich him when he sells the company on for massive profits much like he did with esat?

Yeah, that is captialism and if you dont like it go back to your occupy tent in the square.......... oh wait:rolleyes:

gordongekko

renegademaster wrote: »

forget it

I'd rather you back up the unsubstantiated claim.

renegademaster

MadYaker wrote: »

Do you believe that the water charges will be abolished because of protests?

the protests are a gathering, what will finish the water charges is when people go back to their homes and stop irish water from installing meters

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

It's a bit pointless protesting as it's not going to change anything. But €10.50 is a bargain for a return seat to go shopping

with an attitude like that i'm surprised governments think they can get away with forcing charge after charge on us

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

Yeah, that is captialism and if you dont like it go back to your occupy tent in the square.......... oh wait:rolleyes:

i dont understand your childish nonsense, what exactly are you so happy about? capitalism or the fact the occupy camp in no longer there?

biko

Although this thread is about the bus it's ok to discuss the water scheme in general, as long as a civil tone is kept.
Argue the issue, not the people

Paddyfield

renegademaster wrote: »

anybody got any interest?

"R2W Galway BUS TO NATIONAL DEMO Saturday 11th October
Leaves Galway city centre 10am.Departs Dublin City centre 5.30pm
Cost €10.50 per seat (seats MUST be reserved asap)
PLEASE STATE BELOW IF YOU WANT SEAT/S RESERVING. Thanks."

https://www.facebook.com/right2watergalway/posts/1485286515090077?fref=nf

Can you imagine if this turned into a riot and the cops had to use water cannon to disperse the crowd? Oh the irony.

JONJO THE MISER

renegademaster wrote: »

i dont understand your childish nonsense, what exactly are you so happy about? capitalism or the fact the occupy camp in no longer there?

I think it is you that has the childish nonsense, protesting at every little thing, anti this anti that, wake up to yourself and get on with your life or maybe move to a communist country and see how you get on there.

antoobrien

gordongekko wrote: »

I'd rather you back up the unsubstantiated claim.

Sierra (one of the contractors that are installing meters) are owned by Siteserv, owned by the bould Dennis.

One would think that you couldn't make this sh*t up, but someone has manged the "creative leap" between a the owner of a company working in a limited capacity for Irish Water to him owning it.

The mind boggles.

gordongekko

antoobrien wrote: »

Sierra (one of the contractors that are installing meters) are owned by Siteserv, owned by the bould Dennis.

One would think that you couldn't make this sh*t up, but someone has manged the "creative leap" between a the owner of a company working in a limited capacity for Irish Water to him owning owning it.

The mind boggles.

I know he owns Sierra but I was trying to see how he figured he owned Irish water which is 100% owned by the government.

Bongalongherb

gordongekko wrote: »

Not me. I'm in favour of a properly ran and funded water service.

There are some crazy people here. 44% of water is leaking away from pipes that IW won't fix, and you folk think that IW will forward you 'a properly ran and funded water service'. LOL. I have never laughed so much in my life :pac::pac::pac:

MadYaker

Bongalongherb wrote: »

There are some crazy people here. 44% of water is leaking away from pipes that IW won't fix, and you folk think that IW will forward you 'a properly ran and funded water service'. LOL. I have never laughed so much in my life :pac::pac::pac:

What proof do you have that they won't fix anything? And where did you get the 44% figure from?

Bongalongherb

MadYaker wrote: »

What proof do you have that they won't fix anything? And where did you get the 44% figure from?

What did the government do with the monies from the house-hold-charge ? they gave it all, yes all to Irish water and none of that money was used to start fixing the leaks.

And in regards to your other question, Google it, I'm not a receptionist.

gordongekko

Bongalongherb wrote: »

There are some crazy people here. 44% of water is leaking away from pipes that IW won't fix, and you folk think that IW will forward you 'a properly ran and funded water service'. LOL. I have never laughed so much in my life :pac::pac::pac:

Exactly the reason I'm happy to pay for the water. The current system has not worked.

Bongalongherb

gordongekko wrote: »

Exactly the reason I'm happy to pay for the water. The current system has not worked.

Do you drive ? you obviously pay VAT like everyone else, so if you drive and pay motor tax then you are already paying for water treatment to your tap. The last thing IW will be doing is fixing any leaks on the old pipe system, and you can take that to the bank.

Phoebas

Bongalongherb wrote: »

The last thing IW will be doing is fixing any leaks on the old pipe system, and you can take that to the bank.

IW aren't going to be fixing any leaks!!!!!
This is bizarre fantastical stuff altogether.

Bongalongherb

Phoebas wrote: »

IW aren't going to be fixing any leaks!!!!!
This is bizarre fantastical stuff altogether.

Well, time will tell, but I just can't see them fixing the 44% of leakage we already have.

IW will fix the first leak in your abode, but that's all they will do. They won't fix all of the leaks we have on the old pipe-system though.

ben.schlomo

Bongalongherb wrote: »

Well, time will tell, but I just can't see them fixing the 44% of leakage we already have.

You just said they werent fixing any, now its fixing the 44% figure.

Bongalongherb

ben.schlomo wrote: »

You just said they werent fixing any, now its fixing the 44% figure.

No. I should have made my comment clearer. I was only referring to the old water pipe-system. Sure every person already knows that IW will fix the first leak you have from your property. I am talking about the bigger issue of the old pipe-system regarding 44% of leakage.

Well, if folk want to pay it, then pay it, that's up to you. But paying twice for the same service is nonsensical/illogical IMO.

gordongekko

Bongalongherb wrote: »

Do you drive ? you obviously pay VAT like everyone else, so if you drive and pay motor tax then you are already paying for water treatment to your tap. The last thing IW will be doing is fixing any leaks on the old pipe system, and you can take that to the bank.

Clearly I'm not paying enough as you claim 44% is leaking away. I'm happy to pay for a proper service rather than losing 44% of water that you seem to suggest we should is the way forward.

renegademaster

renegademaster wrote: »

anybody got any interest?

"R2W Galway BUS TO NATIONAL DEMO Saturday 11th October
Leaves Galway city centre 10am.Departs Dublin City centre 5.30pm
Cost €10.50 per seat (seats MUST be reserved asap)
PLEASE STATE BELOW IF YOU WANT SEAT/S RESERVING. Thanks."

https://www.facebook.com/right2watergalway/posts/1485286515090077?fref=nf

Doesn't leave much time for shopping, does it?

gordongekko

Bongalongherb wrote: »

No. I should have made my comment clearer. I was only referring to the old water pipe-system. Sure every person already knows that IW will fix the first leak you have from your property. I am talking about the bigger issue of the old pipe-system regarding 44% of leakage.

You only have to drive around town to see the work on going at the moment. Lower Newcastle, Seamus quirke road , the road from corrib park to the Westwood and Stantalla road all had work done recently that I noticed.

Bongalongherb

gordongekko wrote: »

You only have to drive around town to see the work on going at the moment. Lower Newcastle, Seamus quirke road , the road from corrib park to the Westwood and Stantalla road all had work done recently that I noticed.

Yes, and they have been fixing the same pipes every few weeks for the last few decades. They seem to think that patching them will sort the problem out as they always do, but those pipes will go again soon as per usual. I see the same thing on the forest road all the time in swords Co. Dublin.

They need to replace the old pipes, and they won't do this. They only quick-patch them as they always done.

gordongekko

Bongalongherb wrote: »

Yes, and they have been fixing the same pipes every few weeks for the last few decades. They seem to think that patching them will sort the problem out as they always do, but those pipes will go again soon as per usual. I see the same thing on the forest road all the time in swords Co. Dublin.

They need to replace the old pipes, and they won't do this. They only quick-patch them as they always done.

I saw new pipes.

Your argument about them just patching them previously is exactly why we need a properly ran and funded water service.

Bongalongherb

gordongekko wrote: »

I saw new pipes.

Your argument about them just patching them previously is exactly why we need a properly ran and funded water service.

That should have all been done in the boom years, there was no excuse. I just can't see it happening now though. I'd like to be proven wrong, because paying a second time for this same service while knowing that 44% of the water is wasted in large-scale leaks is a bit depressing.

It's also depressing to see some folk happy to pay for the same service twice.

Phoebas

Bongalongherb wrote: »

The last thing IW will be doing is fixing any leaks on the old pipe system, and you can take that to the bank.

They won't be fixing any. Deffo!

Bongalongherb wrote: »

Well, time will tell, but I just can't see them fixing the 44% of leakage we already have.

They might be fixing some, but we don't know yet.

Bongalongherb wrote: »

IW will fix the first leak in your abode, but that's all they will do. They won't fix all of the leaks we have on the old pipe-system though.

They will be fixing some, but they won't be fixing others.


Didn't take long for that silly argument to unravel.

Bongalongherb

Phoebas wrote: »

They won't be fixing any. Deffo!


They might be fixing some, but we don't know yet.


They will be fixing some, but they won't be fixing others.


Didn't take long for that silly argument to unravel.

I already posted that I should have been clearer in my previous post, so I clearly clarified it. So why the nitpicking ?.

You failed to see the main point I was making. As you know already. Do you really think IW are going to replace all old pipes with new ones ? really.

All they are doing is connecting a new pipe where the leak is to an old piping structure, that's all they have been doing.

They need to remove all the old pipes and fully connect new ones to the main system. If they continue to add a new short pipe to an old piping structure then the leaks will continue as the line of old pipes will leak and so on etc...

gordongekko

Bongalongherb wrote: »

That should have all been done in the boom years, there was no excuse. I just can't see it happening now though. I'd like to be proven wrong, because paying a second time for this same service while knowing that 44% of the water is wasted in large-scale leaks is a bit depressing.

It's also depressing to see some folk happy to pay for the same service twice.

So your saying keep wasting 44% and do nothing?

Bongalongherb

gordongekko wrote: »

So your saying keep wasting 44% and do nothing?

We are already paying for it, for the last 3 decades. Why are some folk here not capable of understanding this valid point ?.

As I said previously, they had the cash in the boom years to fix all of this, but even then they didn't bother.



Ah go on then, just pay the bloody thing twice and let your money flow through a sieve. I am very impressed regarding your trust in IW and in what you think their objectives will be towards the consumer.

Some folk are living in a land of make-believe thinking IW will fix everything and give you an astounding service. Enjoy the fruits of IW as they screw you. Then they will double your water charge after that, no doubt about it.

Phoebas

Bongalongherb wrote: »

I already posted that I should have been clearer in my previous post, so I clearly clarified it. So why the nitpicking ?.

I understand now.
When you said that IW won't be fixing any leaks on the old pipe system, (and that we could take that to the bank,) what you really meant was that they wouldn't be replacing all of the old pipes.

Phoebas

Bongalongherb wrote: »

We are already paying for it, for the last 3 decades. Why are some folk here not capable of understanding this valid point ?.

You understand that its an ongoing cost that we have to pay for on a continuing basis, no?

Bongalongherb

Phoebas wrote: »

You understand that its an ongoing cost that we have to pay for on a continuing basis, no?

Well, in that case the government should give me back my 5% for the motor-tax I pay, and also lower the VAT because this is what I and most of the country pays towards the water service and treatment. The money is already there to fix this diabolical water-system.

Phoebas

Bongalongherb wrote: »

Well, in that case the government should give me back my 5% for the motor-tax I pay, and also lower the VAT because this is what I and most of the country pays towards the water service and treatment. The money is already there to fix this diabolical water-system.

You should get on to the Dept. of Finance about that - they apparently think we're running a deficit.

Bongalongherb

Phoebas wrote: »

You should get on to the Dept. of Finance about that - they apparently think we're running a deficit.

The department of finance Noonan :pac: yeah right. He'll just play the worlds smallest violin for me.



Ireland is still a rich country, but only for the rich, while this austerity ball & chain is stuck to the ordinary person. They see a good recovery already, so they should get to work on replacing the water-pipe-structure.

gordongekko

Bongalongherb wrote: »

Well, in that case the government should give me back my 5% for the motor-tax I pay, and also lower the VAT because this is what I and most of the country pays towards the water service and treatment. The money is already there to fix this diabolical water-system.

You understand we don't have the money to pay to fix the leaks and you confirm this yourself since there is 44% of water leaking through the pipes. Irish water will be a properly funded service that will have the resources to tackle the leaks that you say have not being fixed over the last 3 decades. What don't you understand?

You are asking for us not to pay so that we have poor water quality and leaky pipes. I want good quality water with a reliable network and am happy to pay for that.

snubbleste

What will the sing-song on the bus be?

Bongalongherb

gordongekko wrote: »

You understand we don't have the money to pay to fix the leaks and you confirm this yourself since there is 44% of water leaking through the pipes. Irish water will be a properly funded service that will have the resources to tackle the leaks that you say have not being fixed over the last 3 decades. What don't you understand?

You are asking for us not to pay so that we have poor water quality and leaky pipes. I want good quality water with a reliable network and am happy to pay for that.

Well i hope you get it so, seeing that you are so optimistic.

What will the sing-song on the bus be?

Phil Collins - I Wish It Would Rain Down.

snubbleste

snubbleste wrote: »

What will the sing-song on the bus be?

The River, Bridge Over Troubled Water, Stop The Bus, we Want To Wee Wee, Don't Forget Your Shovel (If you want to go to work)

Bongalongherb

Some Irish folk are brain-dead, they will bend over continuously and take it no matter what, but what is very strange is the amount that want to bend over and take it. Conditioned by a corrupt government for so long maybe.

If every-one didn't pay this extortion, then IW would have no choice but to die. But as long as there are many brain-dead folk willing to pay twice for the same service, then it gives the upper-hand to the government and IW liaison.