solid fuel boilers

davemorris1961

Hi, I am thinking of getting a solid fuel boiler. Am looking at a defro with a feeder . I believe a 15 kilowatt boiler would be ideal. Does anyone know if defro are good and if so are there any dealers in Dublin.
Regards
Dave

07Twain07

I bought the boiler KMB-RP PLUS from Solid, with a capacity of 25 kW one year ago. It's works very well, easy to clean, without any crashes, I recommend!

milky00

I wonder which boiler should I buy and tentatively I chose above-mentioned. But I have one question - how long is the warranty? What is the efficiency? Do you know how the service works in the event of failure?

07Twain07

5 years on Boiler shell and 2 years on burner, controller and blower. Efficiency of up to 86%. Service works very well and fast, I know it from my friend, who had contact with the service. And in case of failure I can buy a new boiler without equipment - and last I can put the equipment from the previous boiler.

mark_18tp

i put one in

its a defro automatic feed with coal hopper 25kw, got it from derry and installed it myself.(plumber)
best money i have ever spent.
not a sales pitch as i don't sell them.

it costs me 1 bag 5pound to have the heating on 24/7 the heat in the house is unbeliveable the boiler is more superiour to any oil/gas boiler on the market, as working on a constant heat all the time.

if you want any info on install/costs feel free to pm me.

Applebhoy

I also installed a Defro Eko Komfort 25kw (also from Foyleside plumbing in Derry)i have it installed since September, Have to agree with Mark_18tp best money ever spent.
Works out roughly €6 per day, for heating on all day from 6.30am to 11.30pm for a 3 storey house (approx 3000 sq feet)
The great thing also about it, is that i have hot water 24/7, even in the summer if i don't have the heating on in the house, it will still heat the hot water and only use approx 1 bag per week (€6 for a week of hot water)

Easy to maintain, i clean mines out roughly twice a week. takes approx 10 mins.

mark_18tp

as a plumber by trade, i going to push for these on my installs along side a oil boiler/gas boiler

compared to a boiler stove these are a great piece of equipment

braddun

what type of boiler have you got now

look for 95% Efficiency

Applebhoy

Just out of internet mark, where do you get your pea coal from , i was get from Kellys Top in Derry, but got a half tonne yesterday in A & N Derry (£85) to see if there is any difference.

mark_18tp

get my pea coal from lcc cookstown they sell eco boiler coal works out £200 a tonne very low ash compared to others i have tried.

£85 no bad for the 1/2 tonne is but deliver charge would put it up to me.

BRADDUN boilers are DEFRO DUO KOMFORT 25KW I wouldn't worry about the efficiency look at the figures 1 bag for 24hr heat 24/7 heat for 5pound radiators and hot water.

Dtp1979

Are these the boilers that say they can be joined directly into sealed heating systems?

mark_18tp

Yea they can be connected directly to any system type pressurised or open vent

Dtp1979

mark_18tp wrote: »

Yea they can be connected directly to any system type pressurised or open vent

What safety features stop it from exploding if it's a sealed system?

mark_18tp

safety valve 1.5bar
temperture relief 95c

cooling tower optional for pressurised system

very safe place of kit.

davemorris1961

mark_18tp wrote: »

i put one in

its a defro automatic feed with coal hopper 25kw, got it from derry and installed it myself.(plumber)
best money i have ever spent.
not a sales pitch as i don't sell them.

it costs me 1 bag 5pound to have the heating on 24/7 the heat in the house is unbeliveable the boiler is more superiour to any oil/gas boiler on the market, as working on a constant heat all the time.

if you want any info on install/costs feel free to pm me.

Hello please call me regards installation. I live in dublin .
Regards
Dave
0868521862

Dtp1979

mark_18tp wrote: »

safety valve 1.5bar
temperture relief 95c

cooling tower optional for pressurised system

very safe place of kit.

What if they fail?

mark_18tp

if they fail there are controls on the boiler that shut down fan etc, same as when power goes out.

don't worry they are 100%safe. been installed in europe as years

Dtp1979

mark_18tp wrote: »

if they fail there are controls on the boiler that shut down fan etc, same as when power goes out.

don't worry they are 100%safe. been installed in europe as years

Oh I will worry. 100 percent safe is ridiculous. You CANNOT turn off a solid fuel appliance. End of. You fan can modulate down all it likes but there's still fuel alight that won't go out for a long time.

mark_18tp

100 percent safe.
right- look at it this way. how many faults can go wrong on a oil/gas boiler. if you have the attitude of what if that fails, then if that fails, and that fails god everything we use too heat our homes is dangerous. thats why all safety devices go through tests to make sure they work.

they have installed these boilers throughout the world and they are safe, they go through testing procedures to make sure they are safe. they aren't going to sell you a product that isn't safe.

you install to manufacturers instructions and put on the correct safety devices and thats safe.

i can see your reasons to worry, but these boilers are designed to be safe, so don't put something down that you are not qualified to talk about.

Dtp1979

mark_18tp wrote: »

100 percent safe.
right- look at it this way. how many faults can go wrong on a oil/gas boiler. if you have the attitude of what if that fails, then if that fails, and that fails god everything we use too heat our homes is dangerous. thats why all safety devices go through tests to make sure they work.

they have installed these boilers throughout the world and they are safe, they go through testing procedures to make sure they are safe. they aren't going to sell you a product that isn't safe.

you install to manufacturers instructions and put on the correct safety devices and thats safe.

i can see your reasons to worry, but these boilers are designed to be safe, so don't put something down that you are not qualified to talk about.

They will sell you anything to make money. Oil and gas boilers are completely different. If a fault occurs the flame stops. Simple. Solid fuel is uncontrollable. Simple. It dosent take much for a few things to go wrong and by god when they go wrong on solid fuel it explodes and if anyone is withing 20ft of it they'd probably be killed

calum_86

Hi Guys, I to have one of these boilers installed although mine is a Per-eko. On much research I decided to chose the Per-eko over the Defro. The Per-eko has a much longer warranty, it's actually 10 years on heat exchanger. That's double the Defro. The Per-eko boiler has less smoke out of the chimney and is much easier to clean. (10min every sat) I know this because my neighbour has a Defro. Our houses are of similar size and we are constantly comparing the machines. My per-eko is currently consuming 5kg approx less than the Defro (much to his annoyance!) I bought my machine in Derry also from a company called Nu-World Heating. They have a big showroom on the Buncrana rd. I decided to buy the boiler from them as they offer the full package (buy and install) The Pereko was slightly more expensive but over all I'm happy with my choice!!!

Dtp1979

calum_86 wrote: »

Hi Guys, I to have one of these boilers installed although mine is a Per-eko. On much research I decided to chose the Per-eko over the Defro. The Per-eko has a much longer warranty, it's actually 10 years on heat exchanger. That's double the Defro. The Per-eko boiler has less smoke out of the chimney and is much easier to clean. (10min every sat) I know this because my neighbour has a Defro. Our houses are of similar size and we are constantly comparing the machines. My per-eko is currently consuming 5kg approx less than the Defro (much to his annoyance!) I bought my machine in Derry also from a company called Nu-World Heating. They have a big showroom on the Buncrana rd. I decided to buy the boiler from them as they offer the full package (buy and install) The Pereko was slightly more expensive but over all I'm happy with my choice!!!

10 year warranty on the heat exchanger if it dosent explode you mean. Assuming it's on a sealed system

Nekarsulm

Dtp1979 wrote: »

10 year warranty on the heat exchanger if it dosent explode you mean. Assuming it's on a sealed system

Gosh Dtp1979, don't know how we lived to the age we are. With a big old ESSE anthracite range burbling away in the kitchen, and a tap under the middle door to draw off boiling water!

Dtp1979

Nekarsulm wrote: »

Gosh Dtp1979, don't know how we lived to the age we are. With a big old ESSE anthracite range burbling away in the kitchen, and a tap under the middle door to draw off boiling water!

Yes on an open vented system I bet. My issue is with guys joining these bombs onto sealed central heating systems

mark_18tp

suitable for sealed central heating systems, with all safety controls, flood valves etc fitted.

you are entitled to your uneducated opinion

calum_86

Hi Guys, just an update. I've been in contact with Nu-World heating. I was very concerned as I have a 30KW Pereko installed into a pressurised system. This is what they have to say. They assure me that this system is 100% safe. If the power goes out the fan completely shuts down and there is a flap that closes off the only air supply to the boiler. They say the boilers are completely air tight. Due to the fire not getting any oxygen the fire will die right down until it goes out. If this does not happen and the boiler overheats the cooling loop is activated, at this point the warm water is discharged to a drain and cool mains water is injected into the boiler to cool down. They have also installed a temperature release valve and 1.5 bar pressure valve. They say that all three valves would have to fail at the same time in order for any further problems. They say they have over 600 of these boilers installed throughout Ireland/UK and have never had any problems. They went further to send me all the European test certificates for Pereko boilers and their safety equipment, all of which states that pressurised hook up is ok. They also send an attachment on building regs that is confusing me but it states that solid fuel/pressurised link up is suitable if using their cool valve. All this info is currently on their website also. When I spoke to one of their engineers he seemed very competent and certainly knew his stuff. Fair play to him for taking my call on Christmas Eve and putting my mind at rest!!!

mark_18tp

do you see, how to you feel now DTP1979
why not let the qualified install and you keep your opinions to yourself and that way calum 86 could have enjoyed his Christmas without worry based on your unfounded claims

Dtp1979

mark_18tp wrote: »

do you see, how to you feel now DTP1979
why not let the qualified install and you keep your opinions to yourself and that way calum 86 could have enjoyed his Christmas without worry based on your unfounded claims

I still feel the exact same actually. I'm not the one on here trying to sell a product by boasting about how great it is. What if the fan seizes? What if the mains water is frozen? What if the safety valve fails? It dosent take much and the one thing I've always said, you cannot turn off a solid fuel flame. End of. No surprise the companies engineers back their product really.

pboots

I'm just looking at putting in a defro or pereko boiler myself. They look to be a very efficient system. I have a sealed system myself and I have asked all the same questions about how safe they are connected to a sealed system. I do believe it's a safe system when all the safety features are working correctly but when it's connected to an open vented system you can say for certain it's safe. It's amazing how many of these are connected without cooling circuits and only rely on a single pressure release valve. Most of the time this is when a customer buys the boiler and gets his own plumber to install it.
I am not a plumber myself but I was wondering if installed out in a garage beside a buffer tank can the boiler be connected to a buffer tank with a single coil and have its own open vented system separate to the sealed system in the house. If this can be done. You can definitely be sure it's safe. The water in the over head tank can also be used to circulate in the cooling circuit if the boiler should overheat. I only say this because I have a well and if I had a power cut there would be no mains to circulate through the cooling circuit. I'd like to hear people's opinion on this and also if anyone can give me the pros and cons of pereko and defro boilers. Defro claim to be the best but pereko provide a longer warranty and a weld on both sides of a joint.

tinofapples

pboots wrote: »

I'm just looking at putting in a defro or pereko boiler myself. They look to be a very efficient system. I have a sealed system myself and I have asked all the same questions about how safe they are connected to a sealed system. I do believe it's a safe system when all the safety features are working correctly but when it's connected to an open vented system you can say for certain it's safe. It's amazing how many of these are connected without cooling circuits and only rely on a single pressure release valve. Most of the time this is when a customer buys the boiler and gets his own plumber to install it.
I am not a plumber myself but I was wondering if installed out in a garage beside a buffer tank can the boiler be connected to a buffer tank with a single coil and have its own open vented system separate to the sealed system in the house. If this can be done. You can definitely be sure it's safe. The water in the over head tank can also be used to circulate in the cooling circuit if the boiler should overheat. I only say this because I have a well and if I had a power cut there would be no mains to circulate through the cooling circuit. I'd like to hear people's opinion on this and also if anyone can give me the pros and cons of pereko and defro boilers. Defro claim to be the best but pereko provide a longer warranty and a weld on both sides of a joint.

What did you punt for in the end or did you purchase yet ?