Motor Tax Budget 2015

bigroad

I have had all ears and eyes on the media lately and i have not heard one whisper about any changes.
I did hear the Minister on the radio talking about public transport and that was it.
Did anyone hear anything yet.

bigroad

With this government i have to agree,its a case of i am all right jack and tuff sh1t for not buying an 08 car.

Henry Ford III

I don't think they'll be doing anyone any favours.

_Kaiser_

They didn't raise it last year so no doubt we'll be in for a hike this time

h3000

I wish they'd even apply the January to June 2008 rules to all cars pre 2008

_Kaiser_

h3000 wrote: »

I wish they'd even apply the January to June 2008 rules to cars of all ages.

And bring in the option to pay monthly

h3000

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

And bring in the option to pay monthly

Defo

I personally don't believe they'll target the motorist because with property tax and water charges there is far less need to screw the motorist more.

Cars and the running of cars is super taxed to the point they can't really make it more expensive.

Viper_JB

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

And bring in the option to pay monthly

They'd probably need to create another overpaid government quango to do this and no doubt that would be all loaded onto the car tax...

A hefty tax on EVs would be a laugh around here..

bigroad

Augeo wrote: »

A hefty tax on EVs would be a laugh around here..

Must be retirement land down there ,drive down to the shops and back.plug in again.

bigroad

Oh and i agree by the month payment or by the week .
Yes and the co2 rates should be made available to pre 08 cars.
That would make it 750 euro for an e39 530d and i would be happy with that.
The way it is now all they get off me is 5 hundred odd euro for a 1.6 petrol.
Clowns they could possibility make more out of it if they used their heads.

BMJD

I'm afraid they'll stick another few cents onto fuel since the price has dropped a bit over the last few months. I don't think we'll escape unscathed that's for sure

bear1

They could give us a ****ing break and lower the tax a bit at least. 280e every 3 months is a joke. Id love to be able to pay them 1k and get it over with but the way theyve taxed earnings that aint going to happen. Pay monthly would be just fantastic or co2 based for everything. Government isnt smart enough for that though

tossy

Whatever about a monthly payment you shouldn't be penalised for opting to pay your tax in 3 month installments.

Voodoomelon

Costs me an extra €200 a year to break it into four payments. There's five tax bands that don't even pay €200!

bear1

Being penalised for not being able to afford an extortionate tax. Joke.

wonski

bear1 wrote: »

Being penalised for not being able to afford an extortionate tax. Joke.

Post 08 cars are becoming more affordable these days. I am sure they will start to raise CO2 rates to make sure they don't loose their "income".

Markcheese

Has total car tax take gone down by much because of the emissions based tax regime ? I assume it has..

quadrifoglio verde

wonski wrote: »

Post 08 cars are becoming more affordable these days. I am sure they will start to raise CO2 rates to make sure they don't loose their "income".

What happens if I don't want to drive a post 08 car. I'm quite content driving my 18 year old Alfa. Except not paying more than twice what I paid for it in tax every year.

wonski

quadrifoglio verde wrote: »

What happens if I don't want to drive a post 08 car. I'm quite content driving my 18 year old Alfa. Except not paying more than twice what I paid for it in tax every year.

I don't know.

Wait until it becomes a classic or pay whatever amount they asked you to pay.

Their focus will be on post 08 rates as this is where they are losing money atm.

The rest of us pay large amounts anyway.

YbFocus

bear1 wrote: »

They could give us a ****ing break and lower the tax a bit at least. 280e every 3 months is a joke. Id love to be able to pay them 1k and get it over with but the way theyve taxed earnings that aint going to happen. Pay monthly would be just fantastic or co2 based for everything. Government isnt smart enough for that though

Try 422 every 3 months

It's completely ridiculous, I'd reckon motor tax will stay the same and fuel will rise 3-5 cent.

JohnBoy26

h3000 wrote: »

I wish they'd even apply the January to June 2008 rules to cars of all ages.

Why? That would be a disaster and counter productive in many cases. It would raise the tax significantly on many older petrol cars. The majority of cars being petrol before the cc to c02 tax change.

nd

Have they raised fuel in the last few budgets? My first budget as a motorist.

h3000

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

Why? That would be a disaster and counter productive in many cases. It would raise the tax significantly on many older petrol cars. The majority of cars being petrol before the cc to c02 tax change.

In the Jan to June 2008 rules you can choose the option that is cheaper. Be it CO2 or CC. I'd like that extended to all cars pre 2008.

I'm interested in the 3.0l 525i if I got a 07 one it would be €1400 odd to tax if it was 08 or newer the very same car is €750 to tax.

SeaFields

tossy wrote: »

Whatever about a monthly payment you shouldn't be penalised for opting to pay your tax in 3 month installments.

You're not penalised for paying in installments, your rewarded for paying it all in one go. Heard that little bit of spin put forward by a minister last year. :rolleyes:

zurbfoundation

dunno will the tax system ever change - government only act when pressure is put on e.g.

Green's carbon tax regime that is a legacy here they will never bounce back from
- or SIMI looking for an auld scrappage scheme to clear all the older future classics and replace them with Korean daysuls -
or a few pennies on fuel if revenue needs raising

Paying tax is always a pain in the hole but don't we have the choice what engine we choose ?

mickdw

You would think sooner or later a minister with an interest in motoring would get into office.
It would be refreshing to see some thought put into cost neutral proposals that might make it easier to tax older stuff.

listermint

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Paying tax is always a pain in the hole but don't we have the choice what engine we choose ?

How's it going pat. Didnt think you were in charge of transport. Must have been tough losing that communications gig?

zurbfoundation

mickdw wrote: »

You would think sooner or later a minister with an interest in motoring would get into office.
It would be refreshing to see some thought put into cost neutral proposals that might make it easier to tax older stuff.

last minister with form behind the wheel was Jim McDaid:rolleyes:

h3000

Deleted User wrote: »

Paying tax is always a pain in the hole but don't we have the choice what engine we choose ?

We do alright but I really don't think its a fair system at all. I'd really like to get a nice big petrol engines car. Now to do so I'd have to pay €1400 tax or more but id only drive the car 6k miles a year, it would be a weekend car really. Now if my neighbour had a modern diesel they'd probably be paying €280 tax a year but they do much closer to 25k miles a year. I'd be putting out a lot less pollution but still have to pay 6 or more times the tax. I'd like to see it more proportioned to the amount of fuel you use.

listermint

listermint wrote: »

How's it going pat. Didnt think you were in charge of transport. Must have been tough losing that communications gig?

LOL

So what do you drive then ? and how much is your motor tax ?

listermint

[Deleted User] wrote: »

LOL

So what do you drive then ? and how much is your motor tax ?

Had an M3, have a motorbike now.

What does that have to do with the price of crisps pat?

listermint

Oh wait your not allowed to be annoyed if you have a big engine car? Is that your angle?

Or your not allowed to be annoyed if you don't have a big engined car.?

What about a fairer system for all, nah sure it's Ireland what's the point in that... Like...

nd

I suppose if road tax is actually supposed to be for the upkeep of roads based on how much your vehicle damages the road, motor tax should be based on vehicle weight, and then I suppose power.

quadrifoglio verde

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Paying tax is always a pain in the hole but don't we have the choice what engine we choose ?

Tax is meant to be progressive, not regressive. I shouldn't have to pay twice what I paid for my car every year to have the privelage of driving it, while someone in their new 5 series pays 0.4% of the value in motor tax.
That's not fair and is extremely regressive.
We all use the roads, we should all pay a flat rate for using the road, whether it's an ev or a 5.4 l v12 (the v12 will pay much more tax in fuel for the privelage of running it).

I've wrote to the minister for transport regarding the inequality of the system. Of course nothing good will come of it, looking back I shouldn't have wasted my time, letter writing has never got people anywhere when they go up against the government. Shouting the loudest has (look at the pensioners and the medical cards).
The only thing that I can see getting people talking about the penal rates of motor tax is a dirty protest along the lines of a mass break down in the city centre.

wonski

nd wrote: »

I suppose if road tax is actually supposed to be for the upkeep of roads based on how much your vehicle damages the road, motor tax should be based on vehicle weight, and then I suppose power.

No, it is not a road tax and it is not to repair the roads.

No matter what you based it on some drivers won't be happy.

How comes more powerful cars damage the road more than 1.0 cars btw

quadrifoglio verde

nd wrote: »

I suppose if road tax is actually supposed to be for the upkeep of roads based on how much your vehicle damages the road, motor tax should be based on vehicle weight, and then I suppose power.

I wouldn't half mind if it was for the roads!
It's not though, it goes into a central pot, some of which goes to pay Anto's rent allowance.

it should be a flat rate paid by all, not based on power. I could do 1000 miles in a year and pay 1800 while you could do 100000 and pat 200. Surely that isn't fair or equitable

dar83

The daysul torque just pulls the tarmac up from under it don't ya know. :P

nd

Well outside of weight I was thinking more powerfull cars damage the road more due to wheelspin perhaps.

And yes I know road tax isn't actually for roads. I was just making an argument for a fair road tax if that was what it actually was for.

listermint

nd wrote: »

Well outside of weight I was thinking more powerfull cars damage the road more due to wheelspin perhaps.

Oh jesus....

quadrifoglio verde

nd wrote: »

Well outside of weight I was thinking more powerfull cars damage the road more due to wheelspin perhaps.

Ah heyoooor!

wonski

nd wrote: »

Well outside of weight I was thinking more powerfull cars damage the road more due to wheelspin perhaps.

I can spin the wheels with my 1.4, too;)

galwaytt

Markcheese wrote: »

Has total car tax take gone down by much because of the emissions based tax regime ? I assume it has..

In the UK the change to low CO2 cars, and the race to diesel cost the uk exchequer £13Bn in lost revenue. ..... I'm quite sure ours is losing too, albeit a lesser number

nd

listermint wrote: »

Oh jesus....

wel outside of that it should be entirely based on weight yes?

listermint

nd wrote: »

wel outside of that it should be entirely based on weight yes?

Environmental damage? Fuel consumption? Perhaps at the pumps like a smart nation.

porsche959

I can exclusively reveal that J. Bonington Jagworth (leader of the militant Motorists' Liberation Front *) has succesfully infiltrated the government.

The government will unexpectedly announce that motor tax on all petrol engined cars is to be abolished. Daysuls will suffer increased rates of tax because their engines cause great pollution particularly if not well-maintained. Electric cars will also not be exempt, as their owners are self-satisfied prigs and deserve to be punished.

There will also be a new surcharge on cars deemed boring and failing to meet aesthetic standards. Rumour has it almost all of Toyota's range will be impacted.


* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Peter_Simple_characters

Oh well, I can dream.

quadrifoglio verde

quadrifoglio verde wrote: »

Tax is meant to be progressive, not regressive. I shouldn't have to pay twice what I paid for my car every year to have the privelage of driving it, while someone in their new 5 series pays 0.4% of the value in motor tax.
That's not fair and is extremely regressive.
We all use the roads, we should all pay a flat rate for using the road, whether it's an ev or a 5.4 l v12 (the v12 will pay much more tax in fuel for the privelage of running it).

I've wrote to the minister for transport regarding the inequality of the system. Of course nothing good will come of it, looking back I shouldn't have wasted my time, letter writing has never got people anywhere when they go up against the government. Shouting the loudest has (look at the pensioners and the medical cards).
The only thing that I can see getting people talking about the penal rates of motor tax is a dirty protest along the lines of a mass break down in the city centre.

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with most of the comments here, but if they change from the Co2 system all the diesel drivers will be up in arms.

The Co2 system is here to stay because the Government have to be seen to be somewhat green even though they are far from green minded.

If you really want to be fair then remove motor tax and include it in the fuel and pay as you drive. But how much would they have to increase fuel to make up the difference ?

It would screw the long distance commuter, but they should introduce a tax refund on people that have to commute like they do in Germany.

PurvesGrundy

In this thread, I'd just like to point out that there are a lot of countries that do not have motor tax on cars, but instead it's in fuel. The UK do happen to have motor tax, but the top rate is a 'palatable' £495.00 that you would only pay on the likes of a Ferrari 458.

People say that the government are losing on the post '08 cars with low Co2, but at the other extreme they are also shooting themselves in the foot with old cars over 2.0 litre and those that are in Co2 band F and G. If they did away with the complexity and stupidity of the current system and introduced maybe two bands for every car (say 250 euro for small to medium cars and 500-600 for bigger cars) then it would be win-win, with greater compliance as well as more BMW 530d's and the like on the roads than on SORD.

What is rarely pointed out is that the current motor tax is harmful from a safety aspect as well. Less well off families are finding themselves crowded into supermini's and hatchbacks because the tax on a 1.8 litre family saloon is north of 600 quid.

delahuntv

PurvesGrundy wrote: »

In this thread, I'd just like to point out that there are a lot of countries that do not have motor tax on cars, but instead it's in fuel. The UK do happen to have motor tax, but the top rate is a 'palatable' £495.00 that you would only pay on the likes of a Ferrari

Would you like to pay €1.70+ for a litre of diesel? That's the current price in the UK.