It's all about the shaved chest- 400m Swim TT 2014-15

shotgunmcos

MojoMaker wrote: »

7:12 to 5:55 is nothing short of incredible in what 7 weeks. I guess you weren't gassing the 7:12 at all but even so, large improvement. Was this fitness just returning quicker than you expected or you had done something specific in that period?

Good underlying base. Put a lot of work in up to an OW race in May. Bad ankle sprain had me out for 3 months. The 7:12 was my first swim in months. a couple of sessions up to the 6:14 (SC) but 2 weeks out of the water again. Plenty of rowing machine sessions so upper body endurance there. The only swims were technique. After the 5:55 the Coach commented that I was mainly using upper body strength instead of leg kick propulsion. The ankle was still a bit weak so with some solid training and kick back the January goal is sub 6 in the 50m.

novarapid

catweazle wrote: »

Name|Pool Length|Oct '14|Nov|Dec|Jan|Feb|March|April|May|June'15
Kurt Godel|25m|6:10||||||||
Griffin100|50m|6:41||||||||
RQ|33m|7:23|7:13|||||||
RQ|25m|-|7:08||||||||
ShelltoRun|25m|9:04||||||||
Shotgunmcos|50m|7:12|6:36|||||||
Shotgunmcos|25m||6:14|||||||
MAntoD|50m|5:38||||||
gerfmurphy|25m||6.34||||||
Catweazle|18m||6.50||||||
Novarapid |20m|-|-|8.35|||||



Motivation to start going to the pool more that once a month, was 1.55 for 100m so there is a big drop off in pace as i get tired.

68 lost souls

Name|Pool Length|Oct '14|Nov|Dec|Jan|Feb|March|April|May|June'15
Kurt Godel|25m|6:10||||||||
Griffin100|50m|6:41||||||||
RQ|33m|7:23|7:13|||||||
RQ|25m|-|7:08||||||||
ShelltoRun|25m|9:04||||||||
Shotgunmcos|50m|7:12|6:36|||||||
Shotgunmcos|25m||6:14|||||||
MAntoD|50m|5:38||||||
gerfmurphy|25m||6.34||||||
Catweazle|18m||6.50||||||
Novarapid |20m|-|-|8.35|||||
68 lost souls |20m|-|-|7.12|||||


Very happy with that. Not too far out from 7 minutes which was my goal last winter when I was at my peak. Definite sign I'm on the way back to fitness.

Kurt Godel

Name|Pool Length|Oct '14|Nov|Dec|Jan|Feb|March|April|May|June'15
Kurt Godel|25m|6:10||||||||
Griffin100|50m|6:41||||||||
RQ|33m|7:23|7:13|||||||
RQ|25m|-|7:08||||||||
ShelltoRun|25m|9:04||||||||
Shotgunmcos|50m|7:12|6:36|||||||
Shotgunmcos|25m||6:14|5:55||||||
MAntoD|50m|5:38||||||
gerfmurphy|25m||6.34||||||
Catweazle|18m||6.50||||||
Novarapid |20m|-|-|8.35|||||
68 lost souls |20m|-|-|7.12|||||



Novarapid, please quote the latest table. A 5:55 does not deserve to disappear so soon! Table amended and updated above.

MojoMaker

Sub 6:00 is rare enough here

RacoonQueen

Name|Pool Length|Oct '14|Nov|Dec|Jan|Feb|March|April|May|June'15
Kurt Godel|25m|6:10||||||||
Griffin100|50m|6:41||||||||
RQ|33m|7:23|7:13|||||||
RQ|25m|-|7:08|6:44|||||||
ShelltoRun|25m|9:04||||||||
Shotgunmcos|50m|7:12|6:36|||||||
Shotgunmcos|25m||6:14|5:55||||||
MAntoD|50m|5:38||||||
gerfmurphy|25m||6.34||||||
Catweazle|18m||6.50||||||
Novarapid |20m|-|-|8.35|||||
68 lost souls |20m|-|-|7.12|||||

couerdelion

Name|Pool Length|Oct '14|Nov|Dec|Jan|Feb|March|April|May|June'15
Kurt Godel|25m|6:10||||||||
Griffin100|50m|6:41||||||||
RQ|33m|7:23|7:13|||||||
RQ|25m|-|7:08|6:44|||||||
ShelltoRun|25m|9:04||||||||
Shotgunmcos|50m|7:12|6:36|||||||
Shotgunmcos|25m||6:14|5:55||||||
MAntoD|50m|5:38||||||
gerfmurphy|25m||6.34||||||
Catweazle|18m||6.50||||||
Novarapid |20m|-|-|8.35|||||
68 lost souls |20m|-|-|7.12|||||
Couerdelion|25m|-|6.50|6.26|||||

Sorry if this is the wrong place for this...

Assuming I carry on doing monthly 400m TT's - how do I know what kind of target to set that is realistic, will challenge me and is achievable?

I know I could say for next time 6:20 and if I beat that then 6:15 etc but is there any way of working out a realistic longer term target?

griffin100

Name|Pool Length|Oct '14|Nov|Dec|Jan|Feb|March|April|May|June'15
Kurt Godel|25m|6:10||||||||
Griffin100|50m|6:41||6.43||||||
RQ|33m|7:23|7:13|||||||
RQ|25m|-|7:08|6:44|||||||
ShelltoRun|25m|9:04||||||||
Shotgunmcos|50m|7:12|6:36|||||||
Shotgunmcos|25m||6:14|5:55||||||
MAntoD|50m|5:38||||||
gerfmurphy|25m||6.34||||||
Catweazle|18m||6.50||||||
Novarapid |20m|-|-|8.35|||||
68 lost souls |20m|-|-|7.12|||||
Couerdelion|25m|-|6.50|6.26|||||


Essentially no difference from two months ago, so can't be too disappointed given how little swimming I'm doing (maybe 4k a week). If every kg slows you down by 4secs per km when running, how much does every extra kg slow you down in the pool???? Wounder if I shave off my beard would I gain a few seconds

jank

Name|Pool Length|Oct '14|Nov|Dec|Jan|Feb|March|April|May|June'15
Kurt Godel|25m|6:10||||||||
Griffin100|50m|6:41||6.43||||||
RQ|33m|7:23|7:13|||||||
RQ|25m|-|7:08|6:44|||||||
ShelltoRun|25m|9:04||||||||
Shotgunmcos|50m|7:12|6:36|||||||
Shotgunmcos|25m||6:14|5:55||||||
MAntoD|50m|5:38||||||
gerfmurphy|25m||6.34||||||
Catweazle|18m||6.50||||||
Novarapid |20m|-|-|8.35|||||
68 lost souls |20m|-|-|7.12|||||
Couerdelion|25m|-|6.50|6.26|||||
jank|50m|-|-|8.26|||||

My usual pace is 2:20-2:10 per 100m so that equates to 9:20 ish.
First time I timed myself and pushed it a bit. Splits were all over the place. Next stop sub 8:00 minutes.

RacoonQueen

Name|Pool Length|Oct '14|Nov|Dec|Jan|Feb|March|April|May|June'15
Kurt Godel|25m|6:10||||||||
Griffin100|50m|6:41||6.43||||||
RQ|33m|7:23|7:13|7:06||||||
RQ|25m|-|7:08|6:44|||||||
ShelltoRun|25m|9:04||||||||
Shotgunmcos|50m|7:12|6:36|||||||
Shotgunmcos|25m||6:14|5:55||||||
MAntoD|50m|5:38||||||
gerfmurphy|25m||6.34||||||
Catweazle|18m||6.50||||||
Novarapid |20m|-|-|8.35|||||
68 lost souls |20m|-|-|7.12|||||
Couerdelion|25m|-|6.50|6.26|||||
jank|50m|-|-|8.26|||||

Forgot to update...would have got under 7 in the 33 I think if whale woman hadn't gotten in my way about 6 times :mad:

jank

Sorry to be off topic but do you guys post faster times in smaller pools as a matter of interest? I only swim open water or 50m (Its Australia so there are about 6 50m pools within a 10km radius from me ) so never have to swim in a 25m pool. I can't tumble turn yet but I imagine once I can it will save a few seconds off the time.

RacoonQueen

jank wrote: »

Sorry to be off topic but do you guys post faster times in smaller pools as a matter of interest? I only swim open water or 50m (Its Australia so there are about 6 50m pools within a 10km radius from me ) so never have to swim in a 25m pool. I can't tumble turn yet but I imagine once I can it will save a few seconds off the time.

Generally, yes. People will begin to tire in a 50m pool. The wall gives you a short rest and then the push off and glide gives more rest so you'll be able to swim faster.

peter kern

couerdelion wrote: »

Name|Pool Length|Oct '14|Nov|Dec|Jan|Feb|March|April|May|June'15
Kurt Godel|25m|6:10||||||||
Griffin100|50m|6:41||||||||
RQ|33m|7:23|7:13|||||||
RQ|25m|-|7:08|6:44|||||||
ShelltoRun|25m|9:04||||||||
Shotgunmcos|50m|7:12|6:36|||||||
Shotgunmcos|25m||6:14|5:55||||||
MAntoD|50m|5:38||||||
gerfmurphy|25m||6.34||||||
Catweazle|18m||6.50||||||
Novarapid |20m|-|-|8.35|||||
68 lost souls |20m|-|-|7.12|||||
Couerdelion|25m|-|6.50|6.26|||||
Sorry if this is the wrong place for this...

Assuming I carry on doing monthly 400m TT's - how do I know what kind of target to set that is realistic, will challenge me and is achievable?

I know I could say for next time 6:20 and if I beat that then 6:15 etc but is there any way of working out a realistic longer term target?

first ask yourself how important is a 400m tt ( not very to be fair ) and what do you want to get out from this.
you should have a very good idea what time you will swim from training times . as a realistic long term target you swimming 3 times a week with your talent should see you 5.45 roughly in 6 month. ps iam glad you took of a nice bit in december as it is a shame that somebody like you is not sub 6 min

jank

OK, thanks. Got to learn how to tumble turn so asap.

MojoMaker

peter kern wrote: »

first ask yourself how important is a 400m tt ( not very to be fair ) and what do you want to get out from this.
you should have a very good idea what time you will swim from training times . as a realistic long term target you swimming 3 times a week with your talent should see you 5.45 roughly in 6 month. ps iam glad you took of a nice bit in december as it is a shame that somebody like you is not sub 6 min

This is pretty motivating. I would be delighted with a 40 second drop in 6 months from a 3 swim-week.

68 lost souls

Name|Pool Length|Oct '14|Nov|Dec|Jan|Feb|March|April|May|June'15
Kurt Godel|25m|6:10||||||||
Griffin100|50m|6:41||6.43||||||
RQ|33m|7:23|7:13|7:06||||||
RQ|25m|-|7:08|6:44|||||||
ShelltoRun|25m|9:04||||||||
Shotgunmcos|50m|7:12|6:36|||||||
Shotgunmcos|25m||6:14|5:55||||||
MAntoD|50m|5:38||||||
gerfmurphy|25m||6.34||||||
Catweazle|18m||6.50||||||
Novarapid |20m|-|-|8.35|||||
68 lost souls |20m|-|-|7.12|||||
68 lost souls |25m|-|-|-|7||||
Couerdelion|25m|-|6.50|6.26|||||
jank|50m|-|-|8.26|||||

Was hoping to go sub 7, felt slow but was happily surprised when I looked up a the clock at the end and it was just hitting 7 as I touched. Definitely lost a few seconds in my turns, especially seen as I missed the wall with my feet on the last turn. Confident I'll break 7 in February.

peter kern

MojoMaker wrote: »

This is pretty motivating. I would be delighted with a 40 second drop in 6 months from a 3 swim-week.

funny you read it this way ;-)
it was more thought to be a kick in the backside ( he is a lovely swimmer ) and the biggest challenge is getting him swimming 3 times a week ;-)

MojoMaker

What's also funny is I saw an almost 60 second drop between the time we were in the NAC last summer and this month, based on a 4-swim week - mind you I attribute half of that drop to simply wanting it more. The next 60 might take a couple of years though.

I think Courdelion is too busy helping other people achieve their goals to focus on his own

peter kern

I think Courdelion is too busy helping other people achieve their goals to focus on his own

yes i d agree.( at the same time i think cafe java would disagree ;-)

I attribute half of that drop to simply wanting it more
one of the biggest secrets of training ;-)

couerdelion

peter kern wrote: »

first ask yourself how important is a 400m tt ( not very to be fair ) and what do you want to get out from this.
you should have a very good idea what time you will swim from training times . as a realistic long term target you swimming 3 times a week with your talent should see you 5.45 roughly in 6 month. ps iam glad you took of a nice bit in december as it is a shame that somebody like you is not sub 6 min

Thanks Peter - only just saw this reply.

Overall it's not that important. Same as FTP really. Just a number to measure yourself against it's how it translates into the racing that's the important thing.

It is a kick up the arse. Swim frequency has improved last few months but I know I should be swimming even more and that with some consistency I'll get a better feel for the water and improve speed and endurance.
The 6:25 is back now to 6:40 after Christmas and even a fast 100 is still only 1:34 at the moment (after a 44 50m). But you are right - I should be under 6 and 5:45 is a good target to aim for!

Thanks for the input and reality check.

Kurt Godel

Name|Pool Length|Oct '14|Nov|Dec|Jan|Feb|March|April|May|June'15
Kurt Godel|25m|6:10|-|-|5:49|||||
Griffin100|50m|6:41||6.43||||||
RQ|33m|7:23|7:13|7:06||||||
RQ|25m|-|7:08|6:44|||||||
ShelltoRun|25m|9:04||||||||
Shotgunmcos|50m|7:12|6:36|||||||
Shotgunmcos|25m||6:14|5:55||||||
MAntoD|50m|5:38||||||
gerfmurphy|25m||6.34||||||
Catweazle|18m||6.50||||||
Novarapid |20m|-|-|8.35|||||
68 lost souls |20m|-|-|7.12|||||
68 lost souls |25m|-|-|-|7||||
Couerdelion|25m|-|6.50|6.26|||||
jank|50m|-|-|8.26|||||

This was done with the benefit of a draft- I debated not putting it in the chart but its only a bit of fun anyway so in it goes. Took off 5 secs after the lad ahead, caught him at the wall. Generally I had to slow at the turn for congestion, would catch him by halfway, before slowing at the turn again. All touch-turns, all pretty efficient. Swam high with a good reach, and kept my toes pointed. The main thing, is I stayed relaxed throughout the swim. Hand timed by the coach, so I've no idea of splits, but everything felt good and steady.

sporteamon3

sporteamon3|25m|8:07|7.40|||||||

sporteamon3

Not sure how to add to table? That last post was 8.07 in Jan and 7.40 in Feb both in a 25m pool. Thanks.

Shell to Run

Name|Pool Length|Oct '14|Nov|Dec|Jan|Feb|March|April|May|June'15
Kurt Godel|25m|6:10|-|-|5:49|||||
Griffin100|50m|6:41||6.43||||||
RQ|33m|7:23|7:13|7:06||||||
RQ|25m|-|7:08|6:44|||||||
ShelltoRun|25m|9:04||||||||
Shotgunmcos|50m|7:12|6:36|||||||
Shotgunmcos|25m||6:14|5:55||||||
MAntoD|50m|5:38||||||
gerfmurphy|25m||6.34||||||
Catweazle|18m||6.50||||||
Novarapid |20m|-|-|8.35|||||
68 lost souls |20m|-|-|7.12|||||
68 lost souls |25m|-|-|-|7||||
Couerdelion|25m|-|6.50|6.26|||||
jank|50m|-|-|8.26|||||
sporteamon3 |25m|-|-|-|8.07|7.40|

68 lost souls

Name|Pool Length|Oct '14|Nov|Dec|Jan|Feb|March|April|May|June'15
Kurt Godel|25m|6:10|-|-|5:49|||||
Griffin100|50m|6:41||6.43||||||
RQ|33m|7:23|7:13|7:06||||||
RQ|25m|-|7:08|6:44|||||||
ShelltoRun|25m|9:04||||||||
Shotgunmcos|50m|7:12|6:36|||||||
Shotgunmcos|25m||6:14|5:55||||||
MAntoD|50m|5:38||||||
gerfmurphy|25m||6.34||||||
Catweazle|18m||6.50||||||
Novarapid |20m|-|-|8.35|||||
68 lost souls |20m|-|-|7.12|||||
68 lost souls |25m|-|-|-|7|6:52|||
Couerdelion|25m|-|6.50|6.26|||||
jank|50m|-|-|8.26|||||
sporteamon3 |25m|-|-|-|8.07|7.40|

Happy with the progress. Hope to keep it up and I'll hit my target soon.

jank

Name|Pool Length|Oct '14|Nov|Dec|Jan|Feb|March|April|May|June'15
Kurt Godel|25m|6:10|-|-|5:49|||||
Griffin100|50m|6:41||6.43||||||
RQ|33m|7:23|7:13|7:06||||||
RQ|25m|-|7:08|6:44|||||||
ShelltoRun|25m|9:04||||||||
Shotgunmcos|50m|7:12|6:36|||||||
Shotgunmcos|25m||6:14|5:55||||||
MAntoD|50m|5:38||||||
gerfmurphy|25m||6.34||||||
Catweazle|18m||6.50||||||
Novarapid |20m|-|-|8.35|||||
68 lost souls |20m|-|-|7.12|||||
68 lost souls |25m|-|-|-|7|6:52|||
Couerdelion|25m|-|6.50|6.26|||||
jank|50m|-|-|8.26||7.46|||
sporteamon3 |25m|-|-|-|8.07|7.40|

Still can't tumble turn!

zico10

Name|Pool Length|Oct '14|Nov|Dec|Jan|Feb|March|April|May|June'15
Kurt Godel|25m|6:10|-|-|5:49|||||
Griffin100|50m|6:41||6.43||||||
RQ|33m|7:23|7:13|7:06||||||
RQ|25m|-|7:08|6:44|||||||
ShelltoRun|25m|9:04||||||||
Shotgunmcos|50m|7:12|6:36|||||||
Shotgunmcos|25m||6:14|5:55||||||
MAntoD|50m|5:38||||||
gerfmurphy|25m||6.34||||||
Catweazle|18m||6.50||||||
Novarapid |20m|-|-|8.35|||||
68 lost souls |20m|-|-|7.12|||||
68 lost souls |25m|-|-|-|7|6:52|||
Couerdelion|25m|-|6.50|6.26|||||
jank|50m|-|-|8.26||7.46|||
sporteamon3 |25m|-|-|-|8.07|7.40|
zico10|25m|6.45|6.34|6.24|

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|6.15

I expect I'll plateau from here, or at least any gains I do make will be marginal. I know I'm not as fast as many others who can swim faster off less volume, and I've a long way to go before I could even consider myself reasonably fast for a triathlete, but I'm satisfied with the progress I've made over the last few months.

couerdelion

Name|Pool Length|Oct '14|Nov|Dec|Jan|Feb|March|April|May|June'15
Kurt Godel|25m|6:10|-|-|5:49|||||
Griffin100|50m|6:41||6.43||||||
RQ|33m|7:23|7:13|7:06||||||
RQ|25m|-|7:08|6:44|||||||
ShelltoRun|25m|9:04||||||||
Shotgunmcos|50m|7:12|6:36|||||||
Shotgunmcos|25m||6:14|5:55||||||
MAntoD|50m|5:38||||||
gerfmurphy|25m||6.34||||||
Catweazle|18m||6.50||||||
Novarapid |20m|-|-|8.35|||||
68 lost souls |20m|-|-|7.12|||||
68 lost souls |25m|-|-|-|7|6:52|||
Couerdelion|25m|-|6.50|6.26|6.43||6.29||
jank|50m|-|-|8.26||7.46|||
sporteamon3 |25m|-|-|-|8.07|7.40|
zico10|25m|6.45|6.34|6.24|

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|6.15

Went backwards after Christmas indulgence and then was surprisingly faster on Monday after two weeks of no swimming. Stroke seems to be improving but fitness/endurance is still not there yet.

68 lost souls

Name|Pool Length|Oct '14|Nov|Dec|Jan|Feb|March|April|May|June'15
Kurt Godel|25m|6:10|-|-|5:49|||||
Griffin100|50m|6:41||6.43||||||
RQ|33m|7:23|7:13|7:06||||||
RQ|25m|-|7:08|6:44|||||||
ShelltoRun|25m|9:04||||||||
Shotgunmcos|50m|7:12|6:36|||||||
Shotgunmcos|25m||6:14|5:55||||||
MAntoD|50m|5:38||||||
gerfmurphy|25m||6.34||||||
Catweazle|18m||6.50||||||
Novarapid |20m|-|-|8.35|||||
68 lost souls |20m|-|-|7.12|-|-|6:38||
68 lost souls |25m|-|-|-|7|6:52|||
Couerdelion|25m|-|6.50|6.26|6.43||6.29||
jank|50m|-|-|8.26||7.46|||
sporteamon3 |25m|-|-|-|8.07|7.40|
zico10|25m|6.45|6.34|6.24|

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|6.15

Might need to look at setting more targets. Getting very close now.

StaggerLee

68 lost souls wrote: »

Name|Pool Length|Oct '14|Nov|Dec|Jan|Feb|March|April|May|June'15
Kurt Godel|25m|6:10|-|-|5:49|||||
Griffin100|50m|6:41||6.43||||||
RQ|33m|7:23|7:13|7:06||||||
RQ|25m|-|7:08|6:44|||||||
ShelltoRun|25m|9:04||||||||
Shotgunmcos|50m|7:12|6:36|||||||
Shotgunmcos|25m||6:14|5:55||||||
MAntoD|50m|5:38||||||
gerfmurphy|25m||6.34||||||
Catweazle|18m||6.50||||||
Novarapid |20m|-|-|8.35|||||
68 lost souls |20m|-|-|7.12|-|-|6:38||
68 lost souls |25m|-|-|-|7|6:52|||
Couerdelion|25m|-|6.50|6.26|6.43||6.29||
jank|50m|-|-|8.26||7.46|||
sporteamon3 |25m|-|-|-|8.07|7.40|
Staggerlee |50m|-|-|6:47||-|6:26
zico10|25m|6.45|6.34|6.24|

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|6.15

.

Did a 200 in 3:02 last week so was hoping for better, but happy enough