Irish Water application pack

V.W.L 11

Have you filled out yours?

roxybing

I have not and will not complete the form. I have my own septic tank and on a very good private water scheme that we have been paying for years. Why I have to complete a form to tell Irish Water im not customer is beyond me.

it's nothing but a fact finding mission. Irish water can send bills all they like the'll go to the fire like the application

roxybing

I have not and will not complete the form. I have my own septic tank and on a very good private water scheme that we have been paying for years. Why I have to complete a form to tell Irish Water im not customer is beyond me.

it's nothing but a fact finding mission. Irish water can send bills all they like the'll go to the fire like the application

Manach

No. Paying another tax on what had been one of the few core government tasks, provision of water which had been paid for out of the already numerous forms of taxation, just seems wrong.

54kroc

Filled it out and returned it the day after I got it.

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54kroc wrote: »

Filled it out and returned it the day after I got it.

Enda,Phil and Co. Will love you then

Malari

Didn't get one!

Roar

My one just says "Householder"

No idea who Mr Holder is, but he sure as sh!t don't live here!

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Roar wrote: »

My one just says "Householder"

No idea who Mr Holder is, but he sure as sh!t don't live here!

Similar position except it was to the occupier

pwurple

Didn't get one.

MrFrisp

V.W.L 11 wrote: »

Similar position except it was to the occupier

+1.

Got it.

Sent it back unopened.
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MrFrisp wrote: »

+1.

Got it.

Sent it back unopened.
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The results of the poll are alarming, I'm in the same boat as yourself

kaki

Malari wrote: »

Didn't get one!

Another one that never received the pack!

V.W.L 11

kaki wrote: »

Another one that never received the pack!

to those of you who never received it,answer the poll as if you did to give some idea of what you would do

ABajaninCork

Got ours a couple of weeks ago. Haven't yet completed it as it's addressed to our landlord but is in fact for us. IW don't seem to be able to answer my queries sufficiently clearly, as the document is poorly drafted IMO, and am unsure how to proceed.

To those who sent it back unopened* - Why? What point are you trying to prove?? Do you honestly think IW won't find a way to charge you??? The charges are coming - Whether we like them or not. This is the only country that I know of where people expect a water supply for free!! Even in Barbados where my folks are from, you have to pay for water. Don't pay it? The supply's cut off in full view of your neighbours to maximise embarrassment and ensure you pay the bill - None of this slow trickle business!! It was a condition of the bailout that property taxes and water rates be raised. If you don't send back the pack, then you won't be able to avail of the allowance - as little as it is, and will be charged in full.

In the UK, you're charged the standard rate - no allowances. My last bill before I came here was £391. So E280 is small change to me, relatively speaking. All you're doing is delaying the inevitable.

*And DO NOT have a private septic tank and water source.

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ABajaninCork wrote: »

Got ours a couple of weeks ago. Haven't yet completed it as it's addressed to our landlord but is in fact for us. IW don't seem to be able to answer my queries sufficiently clearly, as the document is poorly drafted IMO, and am unsure how to proceed.

To those who sent it back unopened* - Why? What point are you trying to prove?? Do you honestly think IW won't find a way to charge you??? The charges are coming - Whether we like them or not. This is the only country that I know of where people expect a water supply for free!! Even in Barbados where my folks are from, you have to pay for water. Don't pay it? The supply's cut off in full view of your neighbours to maximise embarrassment and ensure you pay the bill - None of this slow trickle business!! It was a condition of the bailout that property taxes and water rates be raised. If you don't send back the pack, then you won't be able to avail of the allowance - as little as it is, and will be charged in full.

In the UK, you're charged the standard rate - no allowances. My last bill before I came here was £391. So E280 is small change to me, relatively speaking. All you're doing is delaying the inevitable.

*And DO NOT have a private septic tank and water source.

In alot of cases, my own included it's not a case of won't pay it's a case of can't pay,this will be the straw that breaks the camels back

ABajaninCork

V.W.L 11 wrote: »

In alot of cases, my own included it's not a case of won't pay it's a case of can't pay,this will be the straw that breaks the camels back

My own too. But it's a utility like the gas/oil and electric. Do you pay those too?

V.W.L 11

ABajaninCork wrote: »

My own too. But it's a utility like the gas/oil and electric. Do you pay those too?

They are both on pre pay meters

.red.

I had good quality water coming into my house. The pipes were bad tho and we were constantly being cut off cos of leaks. We were off something like 29times in 18months. Anything from a few hours to a few days.
They recently changed our source and we now have a better supply but the water is very hard. We need to descale the kettle every 2/3 days and i can only imagine the damage its doing to the washing machine and dishwasher. They now want me to pay for my water even tho its damaging my household appliances.
I know i can buy tablets to put into them but i shouldnt have to as it could cost a few hundred euro more per year over people in a similar household without hard water.

ABajaninCork

V.W.L 11 wrote: »

They are both on pre pay meters

Electric & gas costs more on a key meter. Why don't you pay a set amount each week every time you draw? That's what I do. Same with the TV licence.

I intend to do the sane with the water.

V.W.L 11

ABajaninCork wrote: »

Electric & gas costs more on a key meter. Why don't you pay a set amount each week every time you draw? That's what I do. Same with the TV licence.

I intend to do the sane with the water.

I might just get rid of those meters then, but at present it's money I ain't got,can't get blood from a stone sadly

MrFrisp

ABajaninCork wrote: »

Got ours a couple of weeks ago. Haven't yet completed it as it's addressed to our landlord but is in fact for us. IW don't seem to be able to answer my queries sufficiently clearly, as the document is poorly drafted IMO, and am unsure how to proceed.

To those who sent it back unopened* - Why? What point are you trying to prove?? Do you honestly think IW won't find a way to charge you??? The charges are coming - Whether we like them or not. This is the only country that I know of where people expect a water supply for free!! Even in Barbados where my folks are from, you have to pay for water. Don't pay it? The supply's cut off in full view of your neighbours to maximise embarrassment and ensure you pay the bill - None of this slow trickle business!! It was a condition of the bailout that property taxes and water rates be raised. If you don't send back the pack, then you won't be able to avail of the allowance - as little as it is, and will be charged in full.

In the UK, you're charged the standard rate - no allowances. My last bill before I came here was £391. So E280 is small change to me, relatively speaking. All you're doing is delaying the inevitable.

*And DO NOT have a private septic tank and water source.

Well, you can quite clearly afford to pay it then..

We can't.

There's also a good difference between IW getting the money from me, and taking it.

I have no intention of ever paying it.

Reduce it to a trickle? Let them, we can adapt.

If I'm correct, it was sometime back in the 80's where there was extra tax added to something to cover the cost of water. That charge has never been reduced. So it's already being paid for.

They say 40% of water is lost due to leaks.. Well, fix the bloody leaks.
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ABajaninCork

MrFrisp wrote: »

Well, you can quite clearly afford to pay it then..

We can't.

You're not the only ones struggling. We can't afford to pay it either, but we have to. Gas and electric, you can struggle on without. Water you cant! What's your point?

MrFrisp wrote: »

There's also a good difference between IW getting the money from me, and taking it.

I have no intention of ever paying it.

Good luck with that. IW will be getting their money whichever way you colour it. I figure I might as well pay it - In my own time, and they're not getting the money in one hit. Can't pull E280 from my arse. Once something is paid on the bill, however little they can't cut you off! Go figure...

MrFrisp wrote: »

Reduce it to a trickle? Let them, we can adapt.

When you need water for cooking, bathing, having the water down to a trickle isn't going to cut it. Try it and see...

MrFrisp wrote: »

If I'm correct, it was sometime back in the 80's where there was extra tax added to something to cover the cost of water. That charge has never been reduced. So it's already being paid for.

How? Water treatment and supply isn't a fixed cost - it's ongoing! Plus the water system is in desperate need of upgrading due to the shocking neglect from successive governments.

MrFrisp wrote: »

They say 40% of water is lost due to leaks.. Well, fix the bloody leaks.
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True. Can't argue with that there!! I'd also like to be able to have an assured supply, and not have brown water running from my taps which happens on a fairly regular basis....

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ABajaninCork wrote: »

You're not the only ones struggling. We can't afford to pay it either, but we have to. Gas and electric, you can struggle on without. Water you cant! What's your point?



Good luck with that. IW will be getting their money whichever way you colour it. I figure I might as well pay it - In my own time, and they're not getting the money in one hit. Can't pull E280 from my arse. Once something is paid on the bill, however little they can't cut you off! Go figure...



When you need water for cooking, bathing, having the water down to a trickle isn't going to cut it. Try it and see...



How? Water treatment and supply isn't a fixed cost - it's ongoing! Plus the water system is in desperate need of upgrading due to the shocking neglect from successive governments.



True. Can't argue with that there!! I'd also like to be able to have an assured supply, and not have brown water running from my taps which happens on a fairly regular basis....

Apparently water charges in the 90's were defeated, I was too young to remember that but does anyone fancy a repeat of it???

evilivor

MrFrisp wrote: »

If I'm correct, it was sometime back in the 80's where there was extra tax added to something to cover the cost of water. That charge has never been reduced. So it's already being paid for.

Yes - the water infrastructure used to be paid for out of general taxation through the local authorities so every tax payer paid for water no matter how much water they used or wasted.

Now we are moving to a much fairer system of pay-per-use instead of a flat tax - if you are a heavy user you pay more, a light user you pay less, or perhaps even nothing.

MrFrisp

ABajaninCork wrote: »

You're not the only ones struggling. We can't afford to pay it either, but we have to. Gas and electric, you can struggle on without. Water you cant! What's your point?

You can't afford to pay it, yet your going to pay it .. Which one is it??


Good luck with that. IW will be getting their money whichever way you colour it. I figure I might as well pay it - In my own time, and they're not getting the money in one hit. Can't pull E280 from my arse. Once something is paid on the bill, however little they can't cut you off! Go figure...

Yup, they will have to take it. Like you, We can't afford that either, no matter what part of the body it's being pulled from.



When you need water for cooking, bathing, having the water down to a trickle isn't going to cut it. Try it and see...

Yup, we will. And we won't be the only ones.



How? Water treatment and supply isn't a fixed cost - it's ongoing! Plus the water system is in desperate need of upgrading due to the shocking neglect from successive governments.

As another poster already pointed out, The money was added to general taxation years ago. Why have they not used the money from that to pay for it? After all, that's what it was for. People are just being made to pay twice.



True. Can't argue with that there!! I'd also like to be able to have an assured supply, and not have brown water running from my taps which happens on a fairly regular basis....

Thankfully, we don't have water that's like that.

Sorry for the sh1te way the reply appeared here. I'm on my phone and it's not the best for the replies on here.
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ABajaninCork

I know, Mr F. It's a tough break...

iainBB

Sent it back and told them i will leave the tap out the back on in protest.

iainBB

Sent it back with letter attached and told them i will leave the tap out the back on in protest.

pwurple

iainBB wrote: »

Sent it back and told them i will leave the tap out the back on in protest.

What a completely stupid thing to do. You're chucking expensive, treated, drinkable, pumped to your door water down the f-ing drain?

There are people hauling dirty water out of half-dried up wells around the world who would kill for what you have delivered to your tap.

Self-entitled gob****tes with this kind of bull. Do you stamp your feet petulantly and demand a free ferrari as well, while hitting your own car with a baseball bat?

What on earth could that possibly even achieve except push your taxes UP?

iainBB

felt great too, i recommend it to everyone.

Think about it for just a min, do you really think marching talking polls make any bit of difference. what a waste of tons of hours of time and effort.

if 5000 people did what I done 3 days ago when they started charging this will all be over in 1 month.

If you have a one better idea that will change it please say it now. i am listening. Rather he what not to do.

Too many people just like you are here to say what not to do sadly the world is full of people like you, What better method have you got right now that “will work”

What is your idea and how is better then mine?

Malari

I have no issue in principle paying for water. I think it's about time it was charged like any other service. At least then people might take care and conserve when possible.

The thing I'd be concerned about is that it is metered correctly in apartments, and houses that have been converted to flats, etc. And as has been mentioned, the leaks are wasting an awful lot of water too, but this is probably the only way it will be addressed.

iainBB

if i had a meter right now i would pay for what i use. but I have a water recovery system , filtering and grey water reuse in place and use very little mains water so i am not going to pay for something i am not using.

of course I do have the tap running now in protest lol

ABajaninCork

iainBB wrote: »

felt great too, i recommend it to everyone.

Think about it for just a min, do you really think marching talking polls make any bit of difference. what a waste of tons of hours of time and effort.

if 5000 people did what I done 3 days ago when they started charging this will all be over in 1 month.

If you have a one better idea that will change it please say it now. i am listening. Rather he what not to do.

Too many people just like you are here to say what not to do sadly the world is full of people like you, What better method have you got right now that “will work”

What is your idea and how is better then mine?

Well - I wouldn't be spitting my dummy out and wasting water for a start. And I think your idea of opening the taps is childish and selfish. It also raises the rates for the rest of us who will pay, just for your fit of pique.

What on earth makes you think by opening the taps, the Government will magically call off the water rate??

Ludo

Three pages into the thread and I am still looking for the relevance to Cork City.

pwurple

iainBB wrote: »

of course I do have the tap running now in protest lol

It's moronic behaviour like this which makes me think water charges are a really good idea.

There's no accounting for the number of thickos who think wasting water is great fun.

iainBB

ABajaninCork wrote: »

Well - I wouldn't be spitting my dummy out and wasting water for a start. And I think your idea of opening the taps is childish and selfish. It also raises the rates for the rest of us who will pay, just for your fit of pique.

What on earth makes you think by opening the taps, the Government will magically call off the water rate??

So your idea is nothing not once single idea that would make one single difference. Congratulation, lets tell the world your great idea. That will solve not only our water charge issue but world peace.

You can call my idea anything you want, when you come up with a better we I am sure there will be names for your that are much worse. Take your time its not like they are charging for water now.

iainBB

pwurple wrote: »

It's moronic behaviour like this which makes me think water charges are a really good idea.

There's no accounting for the number of thickos who think wasting water is great fun.

sticks and stone mate. get some anger management classes name calling online will work for you

ABajaninCork

iainBB wrote: »

So your idea is nothing not once single idea that would make one single difference. Congratulation, lets tell the world your great idea. That will solve not only our water charge issue but world peace.

You can call my idea anything you want, when you come up with a better we I am sure there will be names for your that are much worse. Take your time its not like they are charging for water now.

You can put your dummy back now, and try to come up with something more cogent.

The charges are coming. I don't like it any more than you do. Especially as so much water is wasted through leaks, and the quality isn't great. Ireland is supposed to be a First World country. Yet - there are great swathes of people in this country who still have to boil the ******* water before they can drink it. But IW have the barefaced cheek to attempt to charge these people. I have no problem paying for water - Being English, this is nothing new. What I do have a problem with is the way the charges are being brought in with no apparent attempt to have plans in place to upgrade the infrastructure or to assure the quality of the supply.

Neither do I want a repeat of what happened to me and 000's more in the Northside of the city in 2009 and 2010 when the supply was cut off for days at a time, through incompetence, complacency and rank stupidity. That couldn't happen in the UK - The water companies know that if the water's cut off for more than four hours and it's their fault compensation has to be paid. I don't see any of that here...

the beer revolu

iainBB wrote: »

So your idea is nothing not once single idea that would make one single difference. Congratulation, lets tell the world your great idea. That will solve not only our water charge issue but world peace.

You can call my idea anything you want, when you come up with a better we I am sure there will be names for your that are much worse. Take your time its not like they are charging for water now.

You are asking people who fundamentally agree with the concept of water charges to come up with ways of preventing water charges.
???
As already alluded to, it is stupid stupid actions like yours that reinforce the need for metered water charges.
I do have a problem with paying charges while not metered because I'll be paying the same as idiots who run taps in protest.

Consider this:
Water was paid for from general taxation.
Now, it is paid for by the consumer.
This frees up the money to pay for other services and people are charged for water based on what they use.
Simple.

ABajaninCork

Ludo wrote: »

Three pages into the thread and I am still looking for the relevance to Cork City.

The water charges affect us all. Cork City sadly, isn't exempt!

Ludo

the beer revolu wrote: »

Y
Consider this:
Water was paid for from general taxation.
Now, it is paid for by the consumer.
This frees up the money to pay for other services and people are charged for water based on what they use.
Simple.

It is anything but that simple!!!

IF the government came out and said AND PROMISED that ALL the money from general taxation which currently pays for water is fully being transferred to the health service, education, roads or ANYTHING else useful then I would be all for it.
I will pay it anyway as there is no getting out of it...but have they done that? Or is the money going to pay off the borrowing due to the behaviour of the banks?

V.W.L 11

Ludo wrote: »

Three pages into the thread and I am still looking for the relevance to Cork City.

it was set up with that intention,but you know yourself these things always become broader when it is a nationwide problem

pwurple

iainBB wrote: »

So your idea is nothing not once single idea that would make one single difference. Congratulation, lets tell the world your great idea. That will solve not only our water charge issue but world peace.

Why don't you ask the people of uzbekistan? They are the only other country in the world that provide water without charges.

If you don't want it, go disconnect yourself, use your grey water for washing and pay 1 euro per litre down in centra for drinking water.

I'll still prefer paying 2.44 for 1000 litres of drinking water here.... After I've used up my 72,000 litre allowance first of course. My rainwater tanks are filling right now, so it should take a while.

whisky_galore

As I'm 'the Occupier' in a block of apts, I'm going to ignore it for now and see what their next move is.

Not too keen about giving money to a quango type body who seem to make a balls of everything they do.

Malari

I just got mine today! I'll be sending it back on Monday.

V.W.L 11

Malari wrote: »

I just got mine today! I'll be sending it back on Monday.

Filled out or unopened?

Malari

V.W.L 11 wrote: »

Filled out or unopened?

Filled out. I must ring them first though, as it's a house I've just bought but we won't be moving in for several months.

V.W.L 11

Malari wrote: »

Filled out. I must ring them first though, as it's a house I've just bought but we won't be moving in for several months.

Don't forget your PPS number, they ain't getting any feckin details from me

mikeym

Not filling out forms, Not giving my PPS number.

Not paying any water bills.

Not so long ago Brendan Howlin said we would not be paying water charges and that it would be impossible to meter the whole country.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/elections/confusion-as-gilmore-makes-uturn-on-water-charges-plan-26706237.html

Labour TD Brendan Howlin backed comments by Mr Gilmore yesterday that the party would not support the installation of water meters in the next government.

"We are not in favour of water charges, we don't believe in a flat rate and you couldn't meter everybody within years," he said.]

Now hes singing a different tune.

Labour Politicians are dirty manipulative liars FACT!!!!

scudo2

I've no problem paying €350 (aprox) for water if my persional income tax is reduced by €350.

The point been fairly obvious.
We already and always have paid for it.

I'm only looking for a fairer system.

If I use a lot of water I should pay more.
If I use less then I should pay less.

But lets see the average charge of what they normally take off us in our income tax been dropped.




The figure of €350 is only used as an example for putting my pint across.