water charges.

have2flushtwice

the charges are here today, you will waste 3 litres of water by leaving the tap running by brushing your teeth, according to the Irish times today.


I'm hoping to build a house in the next year or two, and I am torn between sinking my own well, and going with the associated risks, or taking a supply from the mains which runs outside the gate. I would be of the opinion that a well would cost in the region of 10k to sink? At a rough estimate 500 euro per year of mains water charges, the well would have a 20 year payback. one to think about...

What have you on your holding that saves/ harvests water? Is the yard and shed runoff used for the winter period, or to supply fields which are close to the yard? do you have any streams which can be used to supply fields

fastrac

10K sounds a bit pricey.

mf240

have2flushtwice wrote: »

the charges are here today, you will waste 3 litres of water by leaving the tap running by brushing your teeth, according to the Irish times today.


I'm hoping to build a house in the next year or two, and I am torn between sinking my own well, and going with the associated risks, or taking a supply from the mains which runs outside the gate. I would be of the opinion that a well would cost in the region of 10k to sink? At a rough estimate 500 euro per year of mains water charges, the well would have a 20 year payback. one to think about...

What have you on your holding that saves/ harvests water? Is the yard and shed runoff used for the winter period, or to supply fields which are close to the yard? do you have any streams which can be used to supply fields

Drilled a 200 ft well this year.

Well ,supmersible pump vessel fittings labour piping and wiring came in around 3,700.

foxylock

have2flushtwice wrote: »

the charges are here today, you will waste 3 litres of water by leaving the tap running by brushing your teeth, according to the Irish times today.


I'm hoping to build a house in the next year or two, and I am torn between sinking my own well, and going with the associated risks, or taking a supply from the mains which runs outside the gate. I would be of the opinion that a well would cost in the region of 10k to sink? At a rough estimate 500 euro per year of mains water charges, the well would have a 20 year payback. one to think about...

What have you on your holding that saves/ harvests water? Is the yard and shed runoff used for the winter period, or to supply fields which are close to the yard? do you have any streams which can be used to supply fields

where the jaysus are you going..... Australia!! Drilled here when building the house, all done for 1800.

Username John

Sunk a well a few years ago, I think it cost 3500.

So I think your number of 10k would be high. Maybe budget with 5k?

I guess water would be a an important consideration for a man of your username / condition

Cran

mf240 wrote: »

Drilled a 200 ft well this year.

Well ,supmersible pump vessel fittings labour piping and wiring came in around 3,700.

had to sink new well on the farm this year, 3,600 all in for well, pump etc. Was handy in that he knew there was water there and drilled near enough old well. Well or mains? Think I'd go mains if had the option, but well above local scheme I think.

frazzledhome

On the mains here, group scheme. Paying for water for 5 yrs now. No notion of leaving as supply and quality not my concern. 6" main passing with 2" pipe running length of farm. Plate cooler recycled, shed water collected and fed to cows.

Electronic transponders on meters so leak can be detected quickly. Scheme has electronic bulk meters on each road, if usage spikes you get text. Taps on each trough turned off as cows leave paddock.

Charliebull

have2flushtwice wrote: »

the charges are here today, you will waste 3 litres of water by leaving the tap running by brushing your teeth, according to the Irish times today.


I'm hoping to build a house in the next year or two, and I am torn between sinking my own well, and going with the associated risks, or taking a supply from the mains which runs outside the gate. I would be of the opinion that a well would cost in the region of 10k to sink? At a rough estimate 500 euro per year of mains water charges, the well would have a 20 year payback. one to think about...

What have you on your holding that saves/ harvests water? Is the yard and shed runoff used for the winter period, or to supply fields which are close to the yard? do you have any streams which can be used to supply fields

€3000-€3500 max all in, find out where you drilling well before applying for planning as you have meet certain regulations for distances from septic tanks/ percolation areas etc, also ensure water in potable

frazzledhome wrote: »

On the mains here, group scheme. Paying for water for 5 yrs now. No notion of leaving as supply and quality not my concern. 6" main passing with 2" pipe running length of farm. Plate cooler recycled, shed water collected and fed to cows.

Electronic transponders on meters so leak can be detected quickly. Scheme has electronic bulk meters on each road, if usage spikes you get text. Taps on each trough turned off as cows leave paddock.

taps on drinkers, thats a good idea

Green farmer

I've heard of people paying 10k before. Well drilling guys will cover themselves by saying they just have to keep going down until they hit water, and you pay by the foot. Often there's not too many at the drilling game also you might not have a great selection of guys to choose from.

hallo dare

It's only a matter of time before the [EMAIL="b@startds"]b@startds[/EMAIL] decide to tax those using their own well also, with some bullsh!t excuse that it's on state land or something!

Kovu

have2flushtwice wrote: »

the charges are here today, you will waste 3 litres of water by leaving the tap running by brushing your teeth, according to the Irish times today.


I'm hoping to build a house in the next year or two, and I am torn between sinking my own well, and going with the associated risks, or taking a supply from the mains which runs outside the gate. I would be of the opinion that a well would cost in the region of 10k to sink? At a rough estimate 500 euro per year of mains water charges, the well would have a 20 year payback. one to think about...

What have you on your holding that saves/ harvests water? Is the yard and shed runoff used for the winter period, or to supply fields which are close to the yard? do you have any streams which can be used to supply fields

You could try only flushing once.....

have2flushtwice

re some comments - maybe I should have went anon on this thread!

the 10k is a poor guesstimate by the looks of things, so that's good news.

the lever valves - that's good management, nothing worse than walking back and forth.

sh1tstirrer

hallo dare wrote: »

It's only a matter of time before the b@startds decide to tax those using their own well also, with some bullsh!t excuse that it's on state land or something!

Why worry about something that isn't :mad: if and when they do decide to carry out your fear it will be soon enough to worry about it even though I can assure you worrying never improved anything

SKIPPY150

Sunk a new well here this year , had to go to over 400 foot and even at that only got midlin supply . Got a guy to let off a blast in it to open up the cracks in the rock. With the pump and piping will be standing me bout €7000.

Reggie.

SKIPPY150 wrote: »

Sunk a new well here this year , had to go to over 400 foot and even at that only got midlin supply . Got a guy to let off a blast in it to open up the cracks in the rock. With the pump and piping will be standing me bout €7000.

Would ya not be better off paying the charges at 200 euro a year

Nekarsulm

Reggie. wrote: »

Would ya not be better off paying the charges at 200 euro a year

Hi Reggie, where are you getting a Group/Mains supply for €200 per year?
Round here, on a Group Water scheme, the average house/farm would be running anywhere between €450 and €650 every 6 months.

Reggie.

Nekarsulm wrote: »

Hi Reggie, where are you getting a Group/Mains supply for €200 per year?
Round here, on a Group Water scheme, the average house/farm would be running anywhere between €450 and €650 every 6 months.

Didn't keep up with the times but wasn't the average house bill supposed to be around 240 or something for the year. House on its own I mean

Nekarsulm

Reggie. wrote: »

Didn't keep up with the times but wasn't the average house bill supposed to be around 240 or something for the year. House on its own I mean

Think its 240 for a house with one adult, water in and sewage out.

Reggie.

Nekarsulm wrote: »

Think its 240 for a house with one adult, water in and sewage out.

You pay for sewage out but not for a septic tank or treatment system?

zetecescort

Reggie. wrote: »

You pay for sewage out but not for a septic tank or treatment system?

yeah, no paying Irish Water if you have septic tank but we were all meant to register them for inspection a few years back;)

Reggie.

zetecescort wrote: »

yeah, no paying Irish Water if you have septic tank but we were all meant to register them for inspection a few years back;)

I bet if ya didn't you get charged sewerage now

SKIPPY150

Reggie. wrote: »

Would ya not be better off paying the charges at 200 euro a year

Would pay the charge in a heartbeat if there was a mains supply to connect to but theres not

Farmer Pudsey

Lots of lads considering sinking wells, however unless farm is off it it is not really viable for domestic supply. Take a well that might cost 4K by the time drilled, pump electrical work, connection work etc. What will the maintenace costs be between electricity and ongoing maintenance. will it cost 100 euro/year a little more.

If you water charge for the house was 350/year take away the 100/year maintenance and it is taking you 16 years pay back. Even if the well supply cost 1K less and water charge for house was 450/year it is still a 8.5 year pay back add value of money and you are over 10 years. By the way not sure if the running cost maintenace of a well would only be 100/year.

IMO it is only really viable where you have farm off water supply. However you have to remember that such a farm set up will cost more and farm water is cheaper than domestic I think.

kay 9

What a flute...!

Reggie.

kay 9 wrote: »

What a flute...!

irish gent

Hi Any idea how much I will have to pay 3 adults and two under 17 years thanks..

just do it

frazzledhome wrote: »

On the mains here, group scheme. Paying for water for 5 yrs now. No notion of leaving as supply and quality not my concern. 6" main passing with 2" pipe running length of farm. Plate cooler recycled, shed water collected and fed to cows.

Electronic transponders on meters so leak can be detected quickly. Scheme has electronic bulk meters on each road, if usage spikes you get text. Taps on each trough turned off as cows leave paddock.

Looks like our group missed an opportunity when it upgraded 10 years ago. 1/2" coming off mains! The electronic transponders sound the business. Manual checking is only a pain in the 'ole. Good potential for a shallow well here at a cost of €500. Will supply enough for current system.

gozunda

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

Lots of lads considering sinking wells, however unless farm is off it it is not really viable for domestic supply. Take a well that might cost 4K by the time drilled, pump electrical work, connection work etc. What will the maintenace costs be between electricity and ongoing maintenance. will it cost 100 euro/year a little more.

If you water charge for the house was 350/year take away the 100/year maintenance and it is taking you 16 years pay back. Even if the well supply cost 1K less and water charge for house was 450/year it is still a 8.5 year pay back add value of money and you are over 10 years. By the way not sure if the running cost maintenace of a well would only be 100/year.

IMO it is only really viable where you have farm off water supply. However you have to remember that such a farm set up will cost more and farm water is cheaper than domestic I think.

Don't forget there is a grant for drilling a private well

If you are improving an individual water supply to a house you may be eligible to apply for a well grant.

Grant funding to a maximum of €2,031.58 or 75% of the approved cost whichever is lesser; will be provided under the scheme.

For more information on Water Grants please click on your nearest county council. You will find the grant information under Rural Water.

Dawggone

I have four wells that dry up for six months and one of them is 300 meters deep.
Town water is costing just under €20k a year
I'm building a lake with a water treatment plant as I've no other choice.

just do it

gozunda wrote: »

Don't forget there is a grant for drilling a private well

That grant is only available if there isn't a public supply you can connect into

Farmer Pudsey

gozunda wrote: »

Don't forget there is a grant for drilling a private well

I think only if you have no access to mains water.

gozunda

just do it wrote: »

That grant is only available if there isn't a public supply you can connect into

Indeed ...

patnor1011

You need to consider one thing. That price of water will be going up every year. No point of doing calculation about ROI as you cant really know price of water in next 2-3 years and you can be sure it will be much more then it is now. Just check other countries how it went up year after another and mainly how price shoot up after privatisation of water schemes.

Nekarsulm

My Aunt and Uncle got their water bill last week. Local Group water scheme, their bungalow plus one cattle drinker plumbed onto the house supply. Children and grandchildren visiting on weekends.
Total bill, January till end August, €12.

naughto

Nekarsulm wrote: »

My Aunt and Uncle got their water bill last week. Local Group water scheme, their bungalow plus one cattle drinker plumbed onto the house supply. Children and grandchildren visiting on weekends.
Total bill, January till end August, €12.

Do they not wash at all

Reggie.

Nekarsulm wrote: »

My Aunt and Uncle got their water bill last week. Local Group water scheme, their bungalow plus one cattle drinker plumbed onto the house supply. Children and grandchildren visiting on weekends.
Total bill, January till end August, €12.

Mate of mine is on a similar scheme. Bill is something like €10 every quarter

Nekarsulm

naughto wrote: »

Do they not wash at all

They do!
They even shave.............:D

naughto

How is there bill so low?

Nekarsulm

naughto wrote: »

How is there bill so low?

They used 76,000 litres from Jan 1st till August 31st.
Free allowance is 45m2 per six months, or 60m2 for the eight months.
They used 76 m2, so billed for 16m2
Volumetric charge is 75 cent per m2, so bill was 12 euro.

_Brian

patnor1011 wrote: »

You need to consider one thing. That price of water will be going up every year. No point of doing calculation about ROI as you cant really know price of water in next 2-3 years and you can be sure it will be much more then it is now. Just check other countries how it went up year after another and mainly how price shoot up after privatisation of water schemes.

This is a great point.
The gubberment are subsidising IW to the tune of €1Bn over these two years. When this sub is cut will they raise charges to fill the hole, damn right they will.

Reggie.

_Brian wrote: »

This is a great point.
The gubberment are subsidising IW to the tune of €1Bn over these two years. When this sub is cut will they raise charges to fill the hole, damn right they will.

Does a bear **** in the woods

Farmer Pudsey

Nekarsulm wrote: »

My Aunt and Uncle got their water bill last week. Local Group water scheme, their bungalow plus one cattle drinker plumbed onto the house supply. Children and grandchildren visiting on weekends.
Total bill, January till end August, €12.

Group water schemes recieve a subsidity form government. As a lot of the work is done voluntary, it keeps costs down. However with new water charges subsidity will be reduced over time and cost will rise to households. Some of these schemes have installed water meters, however those that access across land may not be required to. Above seem very cheap in scale of things

Dawggone

We pay €180 per annum for house.
Circa €20k for farms.

AZTEC818

Hi

I heard that there are more Marches against Water Charges on
Saturday, 1st of November.
Does anyone know if this is true ? Is there a march in Dublin ?
I can't seem to find much about it on the web ?
Does anyone know if there are details on any website ?

Count Mondego

I know that there has been serious waste in setting up this utility, but I'm delighted water charges are coming in. All this bullsh1t for the left wingers about the human right to water, and we're paying for it already. Where was the country peoples' human right to water over the last 50 years? Never heard Joe Higgins or AA crowd screaming that we had to pay to dig our own wells or pay for schemes. Delighted for the townies myself.

restive

I have been metered for a number of years. Celtic Anglican water (Galway County Council). Paid €31 Euros for June, July & August. House plus use of a water trough for cattle.

kay 9

AZTEC818 wrote: »

Hi

I heard that there are more Marches against Water Charges on
Saturday, 1st of November.
Does anyone know if this is true ? Is there a march in Dublin ?
I can't seem to find much about it on the web ?
Does anyone know if there are details on any website ?

There is protests on all over the country on the 1st, then a United one in Dublin on the 6th. On the 8th, another March is going to the Dail. Time to take the country back from these thugs in suits. I'm taking the whole family to Galway and then to Dublin on the 6th. It's worth your while checking out the "national citizens movement" on Facebook. Lots of information and like minded ppl.

the watchman

Interestingly......Detroits water privatised, 27,000 cut offs.


Detroit will be marching in solidarity with the Irish on the 1st Nov...


http://ascomfortableontheleftwingastheduffer.wordpress.com/2014/10/21/detroit-water-shut-offs-could-be-a-sign-of-things-to-come-in-ireland/

Injuryprone

the watchman wrote: »

Interestingly......Detroits water privatised, 27,000 cut offs.


Detroit will be marching in solidarity with the Irish on the 1st Nov...


http://ascomfortableontheleftwingastheduffer.wordpress.com/2014/10/21/detroit-water-shut-offs-could-be-a-sign-of-things-to-come-in-ireland/

Might want to check your facts there buddy

Farmer Pudsey

Looking at Detroit the city seems to be running the water services. It cost on average 660 euro/year for water sewerage and waste. In Ireland waste costs 3-400/household. Water charge is hard to quantify. Will it be in the region of 300/average household.

Interesting over the weekend a lad that lives in town was telling me about a neighbour. Every Sunday this lad washed the car and dog (now that in itself is not a crime) however after that he washed all the footpaths around the house, the cobbled drive. During the summer 2-3 times a week he had the sprinkler on at night for 2-3 hours.

Since September he has stopped a lot of the washing. The car is done now only ever 2-3 weeks and he is much more easy on the water. The hose is no longer left run while he using the brush and sponge. He even commented that the dog was begining to smell a little.

It amazing how little things focus reality. How much water did this lad used on his Sunday washing binge before. Did he use a 500L on his Sunday morning cleaning spree. During the summer by the way the lad was telling it the sprinkler was on for a good while. He moved it around different nights. Was he using 10-15K litres or more.

It is not so much that water is a scarse resource but realistic limits have to be put in place

Reggie.

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

Looking at Detroit the city seems to be running the water services. It cost on average 660 euro/year for water sewerage and waste. In Ireland waste costs 3-400/household. Water charge is hard to quantify. Will it be in the region of 300/average household.

Interesting over the weekend a lad that lives in town was telling me about a neighbour. Every Sunday this lad washed the car and dog (now that in itself is not a crime) however after that he washed all the footpaths around the house, the cobbled drive. During the summer 2-3 times a week he had the sprinkler on at night for 2-3 hours.

Since September he has stopped a lot of the washing. The car is done now only ever 2-3 weeks and he is much more easy on the water. The hose is no longer left run while he using the brush and sponge. He even commented that the dog was begining to smell a little.

It amazing how little things focus reality. How much water did this lad used on his Sunday washing binge before. Did he use a 500L on his Sunday morning cleaning spree. During the summer by the way the lad was telling it the sprinkler was on for a good while. He moved it around different nights. Was he using 10-15K litres or more.

It is not so much that water is a scarse resource but realistic limits have to be put in place

That's the other sign of the coin puds