2016 US Presidential Race - Mod Warning in OP

vetinari

Trump's actions are hitting a new low at this point.
He's evoking fascist comparisons with the idea to registering Muslims and now claiming that New Jersey Muslims were celebrating after 911 (they weren't)

It's a terrible indictment of the Republican party that they're still allowing him to run under their banner.
These types of views along with his views of Mexicans would normally be verboten for either party.

K-9

RobertKK wrote: »

All attended terrorist training camps in Afghanistan.

Yep, Afghanistan and Syria are symptoms of the problem, Paris, London, Bali, Madrid and 9/11 are the repercussions.

Paris could well have happened with no Syria or no Arab Spring, so to link them to Obama or Clinton is political point scoring to me.

It isn't as if Trump has a non interventionist policy on Islamic terrorism, nor obviously George W. before Obama.

Overheal

eire4

Overheal wrote: »

Sad that cartoon is so appropiate and accurate right now but it really is.

meepins

Brian? wrote: »

3000 white people were killed by other white people in the US last year? Time to lock up all of the white people. They killed more people last year than the attacks of the twin towers.

How do per capita statistics work guys?

eire4 wrote: »

It is no surprise to see the above kind of incidents happen. When people in leadership positions spew forth such hate they open the door for that hate to be turned into action. Simply disgusting.

Laughable. He was being obnoxious and disruptive while Trump was talking and he told his security to get him out. A beating, give me a break.

Brian?

meepins wrote: »

How do per capita statistics work guys?

I'm arguing with a poster who sees nothing wrong with concentration camps and you pick this to nit pick at?

Black Swan

Last Sunday's Meet the Press hosted by Chuck Todd noted that Republican party outsiders have normally declined in the polls by this time in the presidential election cycle, but Trump and Carson appear to continue to lead in the polls beyond this expected drop off point. Why?

PopePalpatine

I'm guessing the anti-Washington sentiment of the Tea Party still lingers.

Come to think of it, I haven't really seen much mention of them recently in the mainstream media. Granted, that's usually not much more than checking news subreddits. I've just done a search on Reddit for usages of the term "tea party" in the past year, and this Gallup article came up.

frostyjacks

Brian? wrote: »

I'm arguing with a poster who sees nothing wrong with concentration camps and you pick this to nit pick at?

I do think concentration camps are wrong at times of peace. But when a nation is at war, and the enemy have their people inside your country, you are obliged to keep an eye on them. Camps might be a little extreme at the moment, but I imagine voters would be in favour of be extra vigilance over the Muslim population; tracking their movements, large cash movements in their bank accounts, that sort of thing. Trump isn't afraid to tell it like it is, unlike our politicians.

jobbridge4life

frostyjacks wrote: »

I do think concentration camps are wrong at times of peace. But when a nation is at war, and the enemy have their people inside your country, you are obliged to keep an eye on them. Camps might be a little extreme at the moment, but I imagine voters would be in favour of be extra vigilance over the Muslim population; tracking their movements, large cash movements in their bank accounts, that sort of thing. Trump isn't afraid to tell it like it is, unlike our politicians.

Vomit.

Trump isn't 'telling it like it is' he's pandering to the basest, most ill-informed impulses. He is a fear-mongering fascist and nothing more.

eire4

jobbridge4life wrote: »

Vomit.

Trump isn't 'telling it like it is' he's pandering to the basest, most ill-informed impulses. He is a fear-mongering fascist and nothing more.

I would definitely agree, his behaviour has been sickening. As I have mentioned before when you have people in leadership or high profile positions making openly xenophobic and racist statements as Trump has done time and again it is a form of license in a sense to the most nasty kind of racists in the general public to actually act out.

eire4

meepins wrote: »

How do per capita statistics work guys?



Laughable. He was being obnoxious and disruptive while Trump was talking and he told his security to get him out. A beating, give me a break.

The man was chanting Black Lives Matter hardly hate speach unlike what was coming from Trump. He was pushed onto the ground and kicked and punched.


As I have said we have 2 real dangers here. Trump's vision of an Orwellian United States very scary in of itself and again very much brings to mind Martin Niemoller's quote:

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.


The mentality of its ok to have an Orwellian United States because I am not a terrorists fails to grasp the fact that once the state has these powers it will keep them and look for more which we have seen over the past decade or so in the US and all it takes is a demagogue like Trump to become president for 1984 to become reality. Never mind the old adage that power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Giving the United States government Orwellian power is opening the door to abuse of that power on a very scary scale.


Then alongside that we have his xenophobic and racist hate speech which coming from a person in his positions just opens wide the door for people of those kinds of nasty persuations to act out.

Amerika

Oh those Republican candidates! Wanting better assurances on the screening process of Syrian refugees to make sure ISIS doesn’t get in. So out of touch with the majority of American thinking, right?

And it’s not the first time they did that, either. Two al-Qaeda operatives faked refugee status and were living in Kentucky back in 2009. As a result, the State Department placed a hold on processing Iraqi refugees for six months in 2011. The two suspects, Waad Ramadan Alwan and Mohanad Shareef Hammadi, later admitted in court to attacking American soldiers. Oh wait… that was during a democratic presidency and State Department… Obama's.

I’m so confused.

Brian?

Amerika wrote: »

Oh those Republican candidates! Wanting better assurances on the screening process of Syrian refugees to make sure ISIS doesn’t get in. So out of touch with the majority of American thinking, right?

And it’s not the first time they did that, either. Two al-Qaeda operatives faked refugee status and were living in Kentucky back in 2009. As a result, the State Department placed a hold on processing Iraqi refugees for six months in 2011. The two suspects, Waad Ramadan Alwan and Mohanad Shareef Hammadi, later admitted in court to attacking American soldiers. Oh wait… that was during a democratic presidency and State Department… Obama's.

I’m so confused.

What has this to do with the discussion at hand? Screening processes for refugees gets 2 thumbs up from me. A national register of Muslims is bat **** crazy. Are you going to defend trump on this????

Permabear

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Amerika

Brian? wrote: »

What has this to do with the discussion at hand? Screening processes for refugees gets 2 thumbs up from me. A national register of Muslims is bat **** crazy. Are you going to defend trump on this????

Was it not a reporter that suggested the database and then skewed the story? Wasn’t his answer to the question posed by a reporter about having a database… “We’re going to have to, we’re going to have to look at a lot of things very closely” “We’re going to have to look at the mosques. We’re going to have to look very, very carefully.” Now, I know he believes in order to defeat Islamic terrorism we need to have surveillance, including a watch list, to protect America (as I think we already do to some level). But that hardly seems like he is planning on creating some Muslim database. Or should we believe every raging story out there attacking Trump just because it's on the internet?

Black Swan

Amerika wrote: »

Oh those Republican candidates! Wanting better assurances on the screening process of Syrian refugees to make sure ISIS doesn’t get in. So out of touch with the majority of American thinking, right?

And it’s not the first time they did that, either. Two al-Qaeda operatives faked refugee status and were living in Kentucky back in 2009. As a result, the State Department placed a hold on processing Iraqi refugees for six months in 2011. The two suspects, Waad Ramadan Alwan and Mohanad Shareef Hammadi, later admitted in court to attacking American soldiers. Oh wait… that was during a democratic presidency and State Department… Obama's.

I’m so confused.

To add a bit of balance to this post, shall we also talk about who was minding the store when several Arab foreign citizen soon-to-be pilots were enrolled in Florida flight school in Governor Jeb Bush's sunny state of Florida? Was the GW Bush administration completely clueless during its 8 months in office, even through these suspiciously acting flight students had been under observation by how many federal agency snoops leading up to 11 September 2001?

Jeb Bush is now running for the Republican nomination for president 2016. Didn't brother George inform brother Jeb over coffee, or were they both clueless regarding what fed agents in Florida (including other states) were snooping upon and had reported?

Of course Republicans can do no wrong, it's always the Democrats fault ultimately, and if we go back to (Monica Lewinsky sex scandal) whimpy cruise missile firing Afghan Al Qaeda training camp attack Bill Clinton we can find some reason to blame him for 9/11, or if not him, by skipping Desert Storm George HW Bush, and of course skipping the (Republican dearly beloved) Iran-Contra Affair Ronald Reagan, we can blame failed Iran hostage rescue Operation Eagle Claw Jimmy Carter for 9/11. We could go back further with the Democrat blame, but it gets a bit confusing with how international and domestic affairs affect different parts of the world when we have to skip (lucky president by default) Presidential Pardoning Jerry Ford for WaterGate Richard Nixon, to lay the blame on lost cause Vietnam War LBJ, or Bay of Pigs John Kennedy.

No wonder the independents without either party affiliation are growing in numbers as time goes on.

Overheal

At least since Reagan if not longer the Republican Party has continued to try and discredit any president that was not "their guy", and democrats in turn aren't much better than this. Indeed its no surprise there are a growing number of independents: once the campaigns are over, there's no "right, he is our president, let's do this" it's just 6 years of blasting the president then another 2 years campaigning to replace them.

But what can republicans campaign on? Romney wanted gas under $2 by 2016 - already there. Unemployment is close to 5% iirc. What's really left for them to say they will do in office? Aside from spreading immigration fears when we have more Mexicans leaving than coming in. I am still waiting for the Republican answer. We have a bunch of yahoos on the far left too rioting in Chicago for no reason (guy held a knife and ultimately the cop is still charged and the family already got $5m so why the outrage??), and the crazy PC BS on college campuses that's gone so far it's become rebound-racism. But where are the Republicans? Only Cruz or Rubio have a real shot at this point.

Amerika

Black Swan wrote: »

To add a bit of balance to this post, shall we also talk about who was minding the store when several Arab foreign citizen soon-to-be pilots were enrolled in Florida flight school in Governor Jeb Bush's sunny state of Florida? Was the GW Bush administration completely clueless during its 8 months in office, even through these suspiciously acting flight students had been under observation by how many federal agency snoops leading up to 11 September 2001?

Jeb Bush is now running for the Republican nomination for president 2016. Didn't brother George inform brother Jeb over coffee, or were they both clueless regarding what fed agents in Florida (including other states) were snooping upon and had reported?

Of course Republicans can do no wrong, it's always the Democrats fault ultimately, and if we go back to (Monica Lewinsky sex scandal) whimpy cruise missile firing Afghan Al Qaeda training camp attack Bill Clinton we can find some reason to blame him for 9/11, or if not him, by skipping Desert Storm George HW Bush, and of course skipping the (Republican dearly beloved) Iran-Contra Affair Ronald Reagan, we can blame failed Iran hostage rescue Operation Eagle Claw Jimmy Carter for 9/11. We could go back further with the Democrat blame, but it gets a bit confusing with how international and domestic affairs affect different parts of the world when we have to skip (lucky president by default) Presidential Pardoning Jerry Ford for WaterGate Richard Nixon, to lay the blame on lost cause Vietnam War LBJ, or Bay of Pigs John Kennedy.

No wonder the independents without either party affiliation are growing in numbers as time goes on.

Good information, but I struggle to see the “balance” to my post. The post I made had to do with the president lambasting and ridiculing Republicans for wanting a better screening process of Syrian refugees before letting them in... when Obama and his State Department did the same thing a few years ago.

And -- how confused I am by some Democratic rants regarding terrorism. As an example, Hillary Clinton’s statement that "Let's be clear, Muslims have nothing whatsoever to do with terrorism." I guess if by “nothing," she means “everything,” then I figure she is correct... or something like that.

FYI… Republicans can do plenty wrong. That is why Trump and Carson are sitting on top of the polls. Republican voters are sick of Republican politicians. They were given the majority of Congress, but continue to piss away their influence, power and voter mandates. They ignore Republican principles in order to side with Democrats far too often just to get things done and look good. They didn’t fight on our out of control addiction to debt and took away the debt ceiling. So just recently, in just 3 weeks, our debt rose over half a Trillion dollars. Madness! And they wonder why establishment Republicans can’t rise in the primary polls.

(And I think we should blame the Bay of Pigs on the Washington Senators baseball team for not taking a better look at Castro’s and giving him a spot on their roster back in the 50's. :pac:)

Amerika

Just in time for the (US) Thanksgiving holiday, the DNC provides a guideline to clueless Democrats on how to deal with Republican relatives at the dinner table. I kinda hope my Democrat relatives use some of these tactics as I have rebuttals for each and every one of their “perfect responses”... and I don’t need no stinkin’ cheat sheet, either.

http://www.yourrepublicanuncle.com/

Wompa1

Overheal wrote: »

Only Cruz or Rubio have a real shot at this point.

Agreed! Hopefully Rubio out of those two. He's a bit of a dolt too but he doesn't seem as extreme

Overheal

Amerika wrote: »

Just in time for the (US) Thanksgiving holiday, the DNC provides a guideline to clueless Democrats on how to deal with Republican relatives at the dinner table. I kinda hope my Democrat relatives use some of these tactics as I have rebuttals for each and every one of their “perfect responses”... and I don’t need no stinkin’ cheat sheet, either.

http://www.yourrepublicanuncle.com/

Well let's make sure you're brushed up: addressing all these talking points what are your rebuttals :pac:

PopePalpatine

An email chain exchanged by the three suspected of shooting at BlackLivesMatter protesters in Minneapolis on Monday has revealed that the incident was premeditated: http://www.rawstory.com/2015/11/emails-reveal-racists-plotted-confrontation-with-black-lives-matters-activists-days-before-shooting/

Overheal

On the ACA points anyone could argue that the enrollment targets have not been met afaik, and those who do have insurance often have deductibles of $5,000 or so. That still leaves healthcare relatively unaffordable for many, particularly when plans start at over $1,000/yr

Overheal

PopePalpatine wrote: »

An email chain exchanged by the three suspected of shooting at BlackLivesMatter protesters in Minneapolis on Monday has revealed that the incident was premeditated: http://www.rawstory.com/2015/11/emails-reveal-racists-plotted-confrontation-with-black-lives-matters-activists-days-before-shooting/

I saw where they spoke of arranging to be there but nothing in that report says that they planned to kill anyone. They discussed whether or not to carry firearms, which is not illegal and frankly not stupid if your intent is to counter-protest a group that is larger in number and exhibit violence themselves. As the report points out they were in retreat when they fired, and no life threatening injuries were reported. I am in no way in favor of white supremacy but just looking at the facts blind - as justice is - this isn't really attempted murder as is being hinted and indeed will get misconstrued by BLM sympathizers...

Amerika

Overheal wrote: »

Well let's make sure you're brushed up: addressing all these talking points what are your rebuttals :pac:

Who do you think you are... You only get to pick one. :P

Overheal

Amerika wrote: »

Who do you think you are... You only get to pick one. :P

I'm your extended family. Pass the turkey before Putin gets it all

Amerika

Overheal wrote: »

I'm your extended family. Pass the turkey before Putin gets it all

We’re having a baked ham, two deep fried turkeys (one regular and one injected with hot sauce), lasagna, marinated meat balls, bacon wrapped scallops, taco salad, garden salad with hot bacon dressing, mashed potatoes, stuffing, sweet potatoes, pepper slaw, a couple of vegetables, home made bread, and a cornucopia of desserts. And a whole refrigerator filled with beer, a dozen bottles of wine, and a fully stocked bar. Be there by 2 pm. Can you cope is the bigger question. My wife and much of my family are more conservative than me. They call me a RINO. (And Putin can go eat rotten borsht for all I care.)

I’ll take it you want the rebuttal on the ACA. Here goes…

The ACA is collapsing under it own weight. I give it to 2016, or 2017, until it’s demise unless drastic changes are made to it. UnitedHealthcare, one of the largest insurers under ObamaCare (who currently covers more than half a million subscribers in 23 states) said it’s losing money selling ObamaCare plans and will likely exit the health exchanges next year. And nearly all insurers are bleeding money through the exchanges, and many will be dropping like flies out of ObamaCare. The Obama administration has quietly (and illegally mind you) promised to bail out insurers for their losses with taxpayer money. Insurers have lost billions selling ObamaCare plans in 2014, and the losses will be substantial again in 2015. Although the ACA does have a “risk corridor” program written into it to reimburse unprofitable insurers, the money isn’t there. The money was to be funded from profitable insurers every year to help those who lost money. But with nearly all insurers losing money, there’s not very much funds in the pot. Insurers requested $2.9 billion to offset their 2014 losses but were told they would get only 13 cents on the dollar, because the pot is so empty. And it's looking even worse in 2015. Several insurers have already gone bankrupt. I see Obama and his Democratic cronies going to Congress to try and get full funding to reimburse insurers for their losses to save the pseudo-king's signature legislation.

So when the government shuts down because Congress will refuse to throw good money after bad, the Democrats and their media allies will be blaming the Republicans for the shut downs once again because of this monstrosity called ObamaCare. And the people will buy into it... Go figure!

Walter Bishop

Trump back in the news for mocking a disabled reporter. How is this buffoon still leading the GOP race?

Overheal

I want a deep fried hot sauce turkey

Edit: had deep fried turkey - oh. My. God. I understand why rednecks risk life and limb for this is truly the poultry of the gods