Aer Lingus - New Routes

Wicklowleaid · 30-09-2014 10:57pm #1

So as we are... 4 minutes away from the end of the third quarter of the calender year we still wait for announcement of new Aer lingus routes as alluded to in the earlier summer. I wonder do any of our more informed posters have any background info?

ProfessorPlum · 30-09-2014 11:22pm

Rumour has it that Hallifax is off the menu.

eatmyshorts · 01-10-2014 4:54am

ProfessorPlum wrote: »

Rumour has it that Hallifax is off the menu.

Dead in the water apparently.

Van.Bosch · 01-10-2014 7:26am

eatmyshorts wrote: »

Dead in the water apparently.

Has expansion been scrapped or are the guesses of MIA and Texas still on the cards?

LXFlyer · 01-10-2014 7:46am

Wicklowleaid wrote: »

So as we are... 4 minutes away from the end of the third quarter of the calender year we still wait for announcement of new Aer lingus routes as alluded to in the earlier summer. I wonder do any of our more informed posters have any background info?

Jeez OP you're taking everything extremely literally.

Things can and do change and you can have a bit of leeway with these sort of announcements. Their timing is not cast in stone.

01-10-2014 8:16am

EI's September update only indicated one A330 coming in next year and maybe a 757 in 2016. So growth may not be exactly what people were thinking. Possibly a shortage of appropriate aircraft is an issue. EI won't want any old A330.

EI have already indicated SFO is going daily next year.

kona · 01-10-2014 8:52am

Deleted User wrote: »

EI's September update only indicated one A330 coming in next year and maybe a 757 in 2016. So growth may not be exactly what people were thinking. Possibly a shortage of appropriate aircraft is an issue. EI won't want any old A330.

EI have already indicated SFO is going daily next year.

Need a 330 with cf6 engines. I think they are rare enough at this stage?

LXFlyer · 01-10-2014 8:58am

Aer Lingus Regional have announced the addition of a twice daily service between Dublin and East Midlands.

http://www.nottinghampost.com/New-Aer-Lingus-routes-mean-EMA-flyers-clear/story-23023665-detail/story.html

ProfessorPlum · 01-10-2014 9:00am

LAX staying, EWR returning, they're looking for ACL to get another 757 and also wet lease a 767. That's the plan anyway.

roundymac · 01-10-2014 9:18am

ProfessorPlum wrote: »

LAX staying, EWR returning, they're looking for ACL to get another 757 and also wet lease a 767. That's the plan anyway.

Are these A330 regs that your are refering to, or are they the actual airports?

Preset No.3 · 01-10-2014 9:27am

Aircraft Reg. EI-EWR

http://www.airfleets.net/ficheapp/plane-a330-330.htm

kona · 01-10-2014 9:28am

roundymac wrote: »

Are these A330 regs that your are refering to, or are they the actual airports?

Aircraft

Sheldons Brain · 01-10-2014 9:36am

It is a pity EI-LAX desn't actually go there.

Jack1985 · 01-10-2014 10:41am

Halifax scrapped as the local authorities over there have reneged on planned route support, saying the new WestJet route suffices for the region.

L1011 · 01-10-2014 1:07pm

I expected Liverpool before EMA but did feel that both had to be in the pipeline particuarly after Newcastle and Leeds started. Large enough airports with decent catchments and no TATL traffic (bar bucket'n'spade/charters), plus I would imagine better timings for business than Ryanair had should create enough market.

tony2phones · 01-10-2014 1:12pm

Shannon Liverpool would be good!! Ryanair's new flights to Manchester are not viable time wise.

01-10-2014 1:25pm

kona wrote: »

Need a 330 with cf6 engines. I think they are rare enough at this stage?

Yes most likely for commanility and costs, shame as Monarchs A332's come available next year albeit with Rolls Royces.

01-10-2014 1:25pm

tony2phones wrote: »

Shannon Liverpool would be good!! Ryanair's new flights to Manchester are not viable time wise.

For matches I assume ?

Jack1985 · 01-10-2014 2:22pm

tony2phones wrote: »

Shannon Liverpool would be good!! Ryanair's new flights to Manchester are not viable time wise.

Not a chance of anything developing at Shannon with EI for a good while. Looks like FAO/AGP will get the chop next year as well as MAN with EIR from this Oct. EI Regional are to also now commence a ''review'' of the operation. EI's argument is that they brought these routes (especially Manchester thrice daily) with more connectivity and the SAA basically allowed FR to flood the market with the same routes which restricts connectivity and business. Fully support the point.

tony2phones · 01-10-2014 2:43pm

Deleted User wrote: »

For matches I assume ?

No getting into Shannon then from Manchester to Liverpool/west coast/family. having to go via Knock for Liverpool now extra 80 miles this side and the €10 airport charge..

Friday flights SNN-LPL were always busy with Soccer and stag/hen traffic.

highlydebased · 01-10-2014 2:51pm

Jack1985 wrote: »

Not a chance of anything developing at Shannon with EI for a good while. Looks like FAO/AGP will get the chop next year as well as MAN with EIR from this Oct. EI Regional are to also now commence a ''review'' of the operation. EI's argument is that they brought these routes (especially Manchester thrice daily) with more connectivity and the SAA basically allowed FR to flood the market with the same routes which restricts connectivity and business. Fully support the point.

SNN-FAO on sale for next year for some time now

EI also entered into SNN-AGP when FR have been on the route for years!

Jack1985 · 01-10-2014 3:00pm

highlydebased wrote: »

SNN-FAO on sale for next year for some time now

EI also entered into SNN-AGP when FR have been on the route for years!

The schedule remains unfinalised. Very simple to withdraw a service and offer refunds/alternative travel. My points were in relation to SNN-MAN. Bucket and Spade routes pay there way regardless of competition especially to ALC/AGP/FAO/PMI etc.

Van.Bosch · 01-10-2014 4:25pm

Probably not a popular opinion or suggestion but if there is a shortage of suitable aircraft and demand exists at Dublin, would EI not be better developing their hub by switching some capacity from SNN to DUB for both LH and EI regional services?

Adding NCL, LBA & now EMA shows that they can compete with FR and that they must be doing well.

man98 · 01-10-2014 4:33pm

FR can't fly as often as EIR. EI is still 25% govt owned, so shouldn't they serve as much as Ireland as possible?

Jack1985 · 01-10-2014 4:37pm

switching some capacity from SNN to DUB for both LH and EI regional services?

That's always been the plan. Of course political interference would stop that, that's why management want the Gov to offload there 25% stake as quickly as possible.

roundymac · 01-10-2014 5:41pm

man98 wrote: »

EI is still 25% govt owned, so shouldn't they serve as much as Ireland as possible?

Even if it is at a loss, why should they, it is a business after all, there in it to make a profit.

highlydebased · 01-10-2014 6:16pm

roundymac wrote: »

Even if it is at a loss, why should they, it is a business after all, there in it to make a profit.

If JFK/BOS from SNN was loss making at least in summer there would be something very wrong!

Van.Bosch · 01-10-2014 7:34pm

highlydebased wrote: »

If JFK/BOS from SNN was loss making at least in summer there would be something very wrong!

The question is would DUB - MIA/IAH/DFW/LAS make more money?

highlydebased · 01-10-2014 7:41pm

Van.Bosch wrote: »

The question is would DUB - MIA/IAH/DFW/LAS make more money?

Would the 757's currently based at SNN have the range to perform any of those flights though?

01-10-2014 8:49pm

Van.Bosch wrote: »

The question is would DUB - MIA/IAH/DFW/LAS make more money?

Please please please not another Dublin versus Shannon fight.

Van.Bosch · 01-10-2014 9:37pm

highlydebased wrote: »

Would the 757's currently based at SNN have the range to perform any of those flights though?

True - but hopefully you know what I mean.

man98 · 01-10-2014 9:51pm

I would definitely say Shannon is beneficial to Aer Lingus. Without a year round link to Boston, that's 100+ daily passengers without an Aer Lingus ticket, looking at other airlines. Does EI really want US/ United or Delta taking the west's TATL passengers?

Razor44 · 01-10-2014 10:31pm

ProfessorPlum wrote: »

LAX staying, EWR returning, they're looking for ACL to get another 757 and also wet lease a 767. That's the plan anyway.

767 i assume would be a white tail if it happened?

man98 · 02-10-2014 7:32am

roundymac wrote: »

Even if it is at a loss, why should they, it is a business after all, there in it to make a profit.

But a part govt owned public service is not. Not that EI are losing money…

L1011 · 02-10-2014 8:08am

man98 wrote: »

But a part govt owned public service is not. Not that EI are losing money…

It's not a public service, its a PLC the state has a non controlling share in.

Tenger · 02-10-2014 11:16am

man98 wrote: »

But a part govt owned public service is not.…

It is not a public service. EI is a private run company that aims to deliver profits for its shareholders. It just so happens that the Irish Govt is a large shareholder, and thus received share dividends over the last 2-3 years.

Tangey99 · 06-10-2014 10:27am

To be fair, the original speculation, followed by the article in the independant, happened the first week of August. So we are 2 months hence that time, and no new info or leaks have appeared. One would assume any new routes destined to start operating summer next year would need to be made public very soon so as TA could start using them, etc. If it goes another month or so, one might start to think that things have been put back.

Preset No.3 · 06-10-2014 12:16pm

I love the rumour mill. Speaking to some airline employees 'in the know'.

Return to IAD or BWI.

FLL with a tie in to Jet Blue.

basill · 06-10-2014 12:27pm

In the papers today that little red is over from September 2015. Tidy profit for AL but haemorrhaging cash for VA.

highlydebased · 06-10-2014 12:36pm

basill wrote: »

In the papers today that little red is over from September 2015. Tidy profit for AL but haemorrhaging cash for VA.

Indeed, MAN-LHR ending March and EDI/ABZ September

http://www.ttgdigital.com/news/virgin-atlantic-cancels-little-red-services/4692932.article

L1011 · 06-10-2014 12:39pm

Wonder will EI make use of the craft when they come available - two were leased for this purpose but obviously leased by EI and two effectively stopped previously announced sales of older owned 320s as far as I remember.

basill · 06-10-2014 1:49pm

Can't see it myself with winter just around the corner and no new routes in the pipeline. Also Halifax scrapped which would have tied up the etops 320s for part of the year. I expect that VA will be footing any bill for lease cancellations.

Tenger · 06-10-2014 4:39pm

basill wrote: »

.... I expect that VA will be footing any bill for lease cancellations.

Indeed. However was the Little Red deal originally for "2 years plus option of a 3rd" or was it 3 years from the get go. Any compensation will hinge on that....am sure the lawyers have that all sewn up 2 years ago!

As for the on topic issue, does seem a bit late to be announcing anything new..perhaps they weren't able to source the aircraft?

Razor44 · 06-10-2014 4:44pm

EI were hardly awaiting the out come of the Little Red contract? in terms of extra routes for 320's? or am i WAY of the mark...

Wicklowleaid · 07-10-2014 1:10pm

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Wicklowleaid · 07-10-2014 1:15pm

Preset No.3 wrote: »

I love the rumour mill. Speaking to some airline employees 'in the know'.

Return to IAD or BWI.

FLL with a tie in to Jet Blue.

Does FLL look like a runner, would have thought the MCO flights gave a decent opportunity for connections to jetblue network in that oart of the world.

Preset No.3 · 07-10-2014 2:33pm

Wicklowleaid wrote: »

Does FLL look like a runner, would have thought the MCO flights gave a decent opportunity for connections to jetblue network in that oart of the world.

Far more destinations to South America from FLL.

Wicklowleaid · 07-10-2014 2:36pm

Indeed, might that make Miami a potential option for the same reason I wonder. Although that is more of an AA hub if Im not mistaken..

man98 · 07-10-2014 4:18pm

FLL would be cheaper to get in and out of I take it :P . I doubt there'd be an awful lot connecting to South America, but who knows?

Tenger · 07-10-2014 4:20pm

Wicklowleaid wrote: »

Indeed, might that make Miami a potential option for the same reason I wonder. Although that is more of an AA hub if Im not mistaken..

Hence FLL would be more likely. Not too far from Miami itself, a growing JetBlue operation and its a cruise ship departure port.

Looking at their published Summer 2015 schedule (and looking at a fleet of 8 A330) they have the capacity to add up to 6 weekly US East Coast flights. I would expect them to keep a bit of slack in the operation, so maybe only utilise 4 of those 6 gaps.

Wicklowleaid · 07-10-2014 4:22pm

Would they run that with an A330 I wonder, hard to see as the previous poster mentioned the demand for south america. Cruise demand perhaps more seasonal also?

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