Ryder Cup Captains 2016

slave1

Too soon?

Anyhow I think the European Captain will have a harder job given Paul's universal praise and also the next RC being on US soil.
For Europe I think Darren Clarke or Bjorn, both are young enough to be close to the current crop of players, both have been a VC, for me Darren has a greater presence and gets my vote.
For the US, I think it's a much harder call given their recent record and collapse at Medina, I'd love to see Freddie Couples get it, he's still out there playing and everyone loves Freddie......

Darren n' Freddie

Nozebleed

slave1 wrote: »

Too soon?

Anyhow I think the European Captain will have a harder job given Paul's universal praise and also the next RC being on US soil.
For Europe I think Darren Clarke or Bjorn, both are young enough to be close to the current crop of players, both have been a VC, for me Darren has a greater presence and gets my vote.
For the US, I think it's a much harder call given their recent record and collapse at Medina, I'd love to see Freddie Couples get it, he's still out there playing and everyone loves Freddie......

Darren n' Freddie

Miguel Angel Jiminez for me. Id like to see a more european collective represent. Clarke in a few years sure..

Woodgate

Leave McGinley carry on, it used to happen in the past.

jokser250

Maybe David Toms for America , not sure will Clarke get 2016 but I do think he'd make a good captain .

First Up

Woodgate wrote: »

Leave McGinley carry on, it used to happen in the past.

He has emphatically ruled it out.

ForeRight

Azinger might come back in to try rejuvenate the states

RGS

For Europe Clarke for 2016 in USA and Miguel in France in 2018.

For the USA Toms is the current favorite but Zinger has put his hand up.

TrapperChamonix

slave1 wrote: »

Too soon?

Anyhow I think the European Captain will have a harder job given Paul's universal praise and also the next RC being on US soil.
For Europe I think Darren Clarke or Bjorn, both are young enough to be close to the current crop of players, both have been a VC, for me Darren has a greater presence and gets my vote.
For the US, I think it's a much harder call given their recent record and collapse at Medina, I'd love to see Freddie Couples get it, he's still out there playing and everyone loves Freddie......

Darren n' Freddie

Personally I think the Captain's role, while important, is overstated. But riddle me this, how does anyone reconcile the thought that it was McGinley's meticulous planning that gave the European advantage, with the prospect of Clarke being the next captain. Does anyone really think Clarke would do much more than just turn up on the day?

Rikand

TrapperChamonix wrote: »

Personally I think the Captain's role, while important, is overstated. But riddle me this, how does anyone reconcile the thought that it was McGinley's meticulous planning that gave the European advantage, with the prospect of Clarke being the next captain. Does anyone really think Clarke would do much more than just turn up on the day?

That's a good thought with respect to Clarke - Also a good thought with respect to Miguel. Unless you bumped into him in the smoking area or when he was having his wine, you'd likely not see him at all.

First Up

Rikand wrote: »

That's a good thought with respect to Clarke - Also a good thought with respect to Miguel. Unless you bumped into him in the smoking area or when he was having his wine, you'd likely not see him at all.

I saw Jiminez all over the place - working his butt off. By contrast I think I saw Harrington once.

cairny

First Up wrote: »

I saw Jiminez all over the place - working his butt off. By contrast I think I saw Harrington once.

McGinley said the extra vice captain was there to look after the four guys not playing in any particular session, don't know if that was Harrington but it might explain why we didn't see him as much.

TrapperChamonix

cairny wrote: »

McGinley said the extra vice captain was there to look after the four guys not playing in any particular session, don't know if that was Harrington but it might explain why we didn't see him as much.

AFAIK Des Smyth

RikkFlair

If Jimenez is captain they should just let him skip the speeches and do his warm up routine instead :cool:

Dbu

Anyone except Darren Clarke...to say I cant stand him is mild:)

pickarooney

Jean van der Velde for 2018 obviously

Rikand

pickarooney wrote: »

Jean van der Velde for 2018 obviously

Obviously!

vienne86

pickarooney wrote: »

Jean van der Velde for 2018 obviously

I think that would be a certainty.

Dr_Colossus

cairny wrote: »

McGinley said the extra vice captain was there to look after the four guys not playing in any particular session, don't know if that was Harrington but it might explain why we didn't see him as much.

What a load of codswallop having all these vice captain's, you'd swear they were minding a bunch of 5 year olds that could go walk about if your head was turned. Have a captain and players and leave it at that, they're the best professional golfers after all so no words of advise from someone other than their coach/psychologist is suddenly going to impact their game.

ArmaniJeanss

JVDV wouldn't be on many shortlists for 2016 or 2020, so just because its in France in 2018 is a very poor reason to select him.
He has little else going for him - in his career he only managed to get one Ryder Cup appearance, only leaderboarded in one major. Couple of minor wins on the European tour. Nice guy and all that, but really at best a journeyman.

Should just stick with selecting whoever seems the best candidate.

Spudmonkey

I wonder would the Americans ever think about adopting the same selection process as the Europeans, i.e allow the players themselves to pick their captain rather than a committee picking it.

Rikand

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

JVDV wouldn't be on many shortlists for 2016 or 2020, so just because its in France in 2018 is a very poor reason to select him.
He has little else going for him - in his career he only managed to get one Ryder Cup appearance, only leaderboarded in one major. Couple of minor wins on the European tour. Nice guy and all that, but really at best a journeyman.

Should just stick with selecting whoever seems the best candidate.

Can totally imagine a similar case being made against McGinley in the lead up to his selection.

First Up

Rikand wrote: »

Can totally imagine a similar case being made against McGinley in the lead up to his selection.

Except McGinley has a much better playing record and had experience as a RC Vice Captain and as Captain in the Seve Trophy. The feedback from those was obviously positive.

I have no idea if JVDV would be any good but you don't throw someone into the role untried.

slave1

Rikand wrote: »

Can totally imagine a similar case being made against McGinley in the lead up to his selection.

Perhaps, but as pointed out was a multiple RC player and VC and really at the end of the day it was the players who pushed his vote for Captain.
JVDV would do well as VC in France, no more...

vienne86

McGinley had proved himself a captain of a golf team, so I don't believe his credentials were ever in doubt. He must have worked very hard to get his strategy togetherr, and I too would wonder if Clarke would put in all the spade work. I really like the guy, thought he was brilliant on Sky last week, but I wonder would he have the patience for the behind-the-scenes grafting long before the tournamet. Mind you, I would have the same worries about the pony-tailed Spaniard.

Russman

I know Clarke said he'd love to do it, but I think he still has 2 seasons left exempt on the PGA Tour, not sure he'd sacrifice that just yet, maybe he'll get it in 2018 or 2020 though.

Mind you I'm not sure he's captain material, whatever that is, strictly IMO.
Plus you'd have to think Padraig is almost certainly due a captaincy with his 3 majors, I really can't imagine them going for 3 Irish captains in short order.

BoardsMember

Hopefully Clarke's antics in the lead up to appointing the 2014 captain has ruled him out. For me, it's anyone but him. He's a sham.

PARlance

Russman wrote: »

I know Clarke said he'd love to do it, but I think he still has 2 seasons left exempt on the PGA Tour, not sure he'd sacrifice that just yet, maybe he'll get it in 2018 or 2020 though.

Mind you I'm not sure he's captain material, whatever that is, strictly IMO.
Plus you'd have to think Padraig is almost certainly due a captaincy with his 3 majors, I really can't imagine them going for 3 Irish captains in short order.

PH mentionned that he would suss out this VC role to see if the Captaincy is something he would like. He also said that he would find it hard to be a non player in the lead up to this... I can just imagine that... Imagine him watching the others on the range, he would be itching to do a quick 5 hour range session himself

While he's a gent and respected amongst players, I think he would struggle to take the guts of two years to focus on other things apart from his own game.
I don't think I seen him in the celebrations at all... I think he's someone that is more comfortable being the individual rather than in a team, leading one even less so.
He believes he has a long time left yet to play and while he's still doing that then I don't see him being anywhere in the frame.

The main reason I wouldn't want him to be a captain is that a loss would be an incredible low point that to a great career that has been on the decline for some time.

3 majors. A winning RC Caltain tag doesn't add a whole pile to that imo.

RikkFlair

Cant see Van de Velde as captain, he's retired and working in an ambassadorial role for the French Open. I understand he was part of the bid to get France the 2018 ryder cup also, and will most likely be doing a lot of work in the build up to that.

Thomas Levet maybe as a Vice captain, but I think it'll be Clarke in 2016 and Bjorn in France.

vienne86

I too think that Padraig is an individual rather than a team man. I was actaually very surprised that he seemed so enthused about captaincy on the RTE web site. I wonder when they will choosing the next captain - anyone know?

First Up

vienne86 wrote: »

McGinley had proved himself a captain of a golf team, so I don't believe his credentials were ever in doubt. He must have worked very hard to get his strategy togetherr, and I too would wonder if Clarke would put in all the spade work. I really like the guy, thought he was brilliant on Sky last week, but I wonder would he have the patience for the behind-the-scenes grafting long before the tournamet. Mind you, I would have the same worries about the pony-tailed Spaniard.

Really scratching my head about that. What did Clarke say that was brilliant? He was adequate in the round table chats with Monty, Harmon etc but his on course commentary was feeble to the point of embarrassment.

Stuff like "that wasn't what he was hoping for" or "important to get some blue on the board" is clichéd and naff.

Slicemeister

I thought he was woeful.

What with all things golf being magnetized nornwards these days I wouldn't be surprised at his selection tbh. He has contributed a lot as an RC player and shouldn't be discounted even the way things between himself and McGinley panned out. Both are bigger men than that I would hope.

hawkelady

First Up wrote: »

Really scratching my head about that. What did Clarke say that was brilliant? He was adequate in the round table chats with Monty, Harmon etc but his on course commentary was feeble to the point of embarrassment.

Stuff like "that wasn't what he was hoping for" or "important to get some blue on the board" is clichéd and naff.

I thought DC was very articulate and refreshing in the commentary box tbh , I mainly watched it on NBC , which he did a few stints on over the 3 days .. Makes a change to monty's "when I was captain in Celtic manor ..." Rubbish that he spouts .

mike12

I'm sure PH thinks he has 5/6 years playing left in him so i reckon he wont be in the running until 2020. Clarke could wait till 2018 as he has the next 2 years to try and make a few bob on the PGA tour.

cookie24

Aside from picking who plays when what else does the captain do? What sort of strategies are there? What preparation is required?
Although the media spin it as a team competition it's still the same old individual game they all play throughout the year.
Even the foursomes is individual. You hit as good a golf shot as you can.

trishasaffron

I found it hard to look at or listen to Clarke - he looked like a man who has indulged in every vice and has not got a painting in the attic. Not the sort of person I'd be looking for as a leader.

Dbu

BoardsMember wrote: »

Hopefully Clarke's antics in the lead up to appointing the 2014 captain has ruled him out. For me, it's anyone but him. He's a sham.

Agree completely,
I first encountered the 'real' Darren in Ballybunion at the Irish open many years ago.
What I have saw this year in Fota, has done nothing to change my mind.

benny79

Whats the "real" Darren?

hawkelady

trishasaffron wrote: »

I found it hard to look at or listen to Clarke - he looked like a man who has indulged in every vice and has not got a painting in the attic. Not the sort of person I'd be looking for as a leader.

This made me laugh ..;) what type of vice do you think he has indulged in ?? Also your comment about a painting in his attic flew straight over my head .

ArmaniJeanss

hawkelady wrote: »

This made me laugh ..;) what type of vice do you think he has indulged in ?? Also your comment about a painting in his attic flew straight over my head .

Oscar Wildes The Portrait of Dorian Gray I guess, not a reference you normally see on the golf forum.

Dbu

benny79 wrote: »

Whats the "real" Darren?

Someone I would not be nominating to be a Ryder cup captain.

Dr Devious

There's a Darren Clarke for the camera and one for off camera, one is friendly and charismatic the other is a totally arrogant p***k, I've seen him on course nearly taking the nose of nearby spectators with the rope when he hits it astray and snarling at his caddie to "throw me a F****n wedge". Seen and heard more of the same at the official opening of one of "his" course designs and his attitude to the club pro who was his caddie for the day. I don't think he's hugely popular among his fellow pros either, contrary to the public perception of him and I wasn't surprised he tried to shaft McGinley for the captaincy earlier. The fact that nearly all the players wanted McGinley(even Westwood) spoke volumes about him. Jimenez for me.

Rikand

totally forgot about him attempting to shaft Mcginley for the job

Dbu

Rikand wrote: »

totally forgot about him attempting to shaft Mcginley for the job

and the new captain is being picked by McGinley, Olly and Monty....interesting talks ahead. By opposing Paul the last time, he really took a gamble on Monty and Olly backing him now to out vote McGinley 2-1. George O'Grady and 1 other unnamed player will complete the selection panel
Hope Jimenez puts his name into the mix, it will give Olly a serious voting
quandary.

BoardsMember

Dbu wrote: »

Agree completely,
I first encountered the 'real' Darren in Ballybunion at the Irish open many years ago.
What I have saw this year in Fota, has done nothing to change my mind.

Talking to anyone who knows the real man is truly eye opening. I just can't understand how he seems to have been so chummy with people who should have known better back in the day. People are funny.

Rikand

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/golf/rydercup/9803704/Paul-McGinley-named-2014-Ryder-Cup-captain-after-beating-off-challenge-of-former-skipper-Colin-Montgomerie.html

Good auld read from when mcginley was picked. orgot about Monty throwing his hat in the ring as well. The players really got behind Paul and made it count

First Up

BoardsMember wrote: »

Talking to anyone who knows the real man is truly eye opening. I just can't understand how he seems to have been so chummy with people who should have known better back in the day. People are funny.

Whatever the real Darren looks like, the odds on two Irish captains in succession have to be slim.

elgenerale

His ridiculous backtracking on "support" of McGinley for captaincy was pretty awful. All that stuff about a captain with 'presence' and supporting Monty after he pulled out himself ???? Monty got lucky and wasn't a popular captain. Also doesn't strike me as a 'modern' captain as Sergio described McGinley.

Ronney

The Following pick the next Captain (with any candidates not voting)

Given this and players like Rory and Gmac very likely to throw there weight behind him Cant not see Clarke getting it. Also Big enough Personality to Captain a team over in the US

Thomas Björn (Chairman), Felipe Aguilar, Paul Casey, Darren Clarke, Gonzalo Fernandez-Castaño, Joakim Haeggman, David Howell, Raphaël Jacquelin, Miguel Angel Jiménez, Robert Karlsson, Peter Lawrie, Paul McGinley, Francesco Molinari, Colin Montgomerie OBE and Henrik Stenson.
http://www.europeantour.com/tourgroup/pgatour/#Lj1t2YSqcgAs6cvc.99

elgenerale

Ronney wrote: »

Also Big enough Personality to Captain a team over in the US

So you dont think McGinley would have done as good a job in the US?
This idea of a presence, a personality is wrong IMO

Dtoffee

Whatever Darren Clarke did, I can guarantee you he has been outdone by Thomas Bjorn ...... the man is lower than a snakes belly when it comes to fans. I marshalled a few of his matches in the Seve Trophy and a more arrogant ignorant tool would be impossible to find. I actually watched him tell a young kid of about 8 yrs to 'fcuk off' when the kid had walked up to him and very politely asked for an autograph (this when there was no cameras around and no reason for his behaviour). I have since been told that he is well known for his tantrums and a nightmare to be around when hes playing badly.

I would have said Sandy Lyle .... but anti old school brigade would kill him

hawkelady

elgenerale wrote: »

So you dont think McGinley would have done as good a job in the US?
This idea of a presence, a personality is wrong IMO

Playing RC in the states is a different beast than playing on home soil so I do believe that a strong "character " captaining Europe in America is essential ,, that's not saying the mcginley isn't strong . It's saying we need a strong minded captain in America .