What do we all think of Frasier?

Minderbinder

For me Frasier is second only to Seinfeld. My favourite episode is when he's dating the supermodel zoologist and nobody believes him. There are a lot of episodes I wouldn't sit through again though.

curioser

FunLover18 wrote: »

I caught the beginning an episode this morning, the one where Niles makes up Phylis because he isn't brave enough to ask Daphne out.

I couldn't watch it all. The more I rewatch the show the more frustrated I get with how they handled the Daphne/Niles storyline. It was awful, they should have just had a fling and worked from there. Far more potential in them trying to work out a relationship between such very different characters after something like that than there ever was in completely changing Daphne's character to fit in with the 'oh she actually always loved him too' and then going through the whole Mel **** as well. Jesus they really cocked it up.

I think the producers and writers had their hands forced by Jane Leeves and her team after Kelsey Grammar announced that he would stop playing Frazier when he became the longest running character on TV. Jane wanted Daphne's character upgraded to equal status with the show's main stars, in order to enhance her opportunities in the post-Frazier world, and the best way to do this was by marrying either of the two main stars.

syklops

Minderbinder wrote: »

For me Frasier is second only to Seinfeld. My favourite episode is when he's dating the supermodel zoologist and nobody believes him. There are a lot of episodes I wouldn't sit through again though.

Yeah when I am doing a run through sometimes an episode starts and in the words of Martin "MUTE!", and then skip to the next. As I said before. Anything with Bebe(the agent) gets skipped.

Dirty Dingus McGee

syklops wrote: »

Yeah when I am doing a run through sometimes an episode starts and in the words of Martin "MUTE!", and then skip to the next. As I said before. Anything with Bebe(the agent) gets skipped.

Bebe is one of the best guest characters in the show.All her episodes are excellent in my opinion.

syklops

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

Bebe is one of the best guest characters in the show.All her episodes are excellent in my opinion.

We'll have to agree to disagree. Her voice is like nails on chalkboard to me and all her episodes were always a bit too over the top for me, but each to their own.

marty_crane

syklops wrote: »

We'll have to agree to disagree. Her voice is like nails on chalkboard to me and all her episodes were always a bit too over the top for me, but each to their own.

+1. Horrendously irritating character.


Frasier: I'm so sorry I didn't make our date. My car broke down and I had to get it fixed and I was going to play squash but I was left wearing these ridiculous shorts. If you don't believe me ask my brother.

(hands phone to Niles)

Niles: They're ridiculous shorts

Caprica

I am a big fan of Bebe, I have enjoyed all her appearances with my favourite episode been the episode with her marriage to Big Willy and her giving up the smokes. Needless to say the smokes won out over love.

I would rank her as one of my favourite recurring characters in any tv show.

FunLover18

curioser wrote: »

I think the producers and writers had their hands forced by Jane Leeves and her team after Kelsey Grammar announced that he would stop playing Frazier when he became the longest running character on TV. Jane wanted Daphne's character upgraded to equal status with the show's main stars, in order to enhance her opportunities in the post-Frazier world, and the best way to do this was by marrying either of the two main stars.

I don't think Jane Leeves can be blamed for "forcing" the development of a plot point which had been established in the very first episode and dragged on for seven years. I have no problem with Niles and Daphne getting together I just feel they botched it in order to fit in with the Hollywood notion of romance and it disappoints me that Niles ends up with a version of Daphne who is very different from the version he first became besotted with.

syklops

marty_crane wrote: »

+1. Horrendously irritating character.


Frasier: I'm so sorry I didn't make our date. My car broke down and I had to get it fixed and I was going to play squash but I was left wearing these ridiculous shorts. If you don't believe me ask my brother.

(hands phone to Niles)

Niles: They're ridiculous shorts

Was that from "The Doctor is out"?

PeterTheEighth

syklops wrote: »

Was that from "The Doctor is out"?

Yeah that's it. Oddly I was about to post about that very section that you quoted. All I could think of was how orchestrated the joke was, and how comedy is in fact written in reverse. The writers obviously said "we need to work the phrase 'get in to another man's shorts' in so how can we organise for Frasier to be 'in another man's shorts' ".

It's still a great episode though, and there are some very clever lines. Patrick Stewart seemed to absolutely LOVE the role. And he was fan-tastic.

Dirty Dingus McGee

PeterTheEighth wrote: »

Yeah that's it. Oddly I was about to post about that very section that you quoted. All I could think of was how orchestrated the joke was, and how comedy is in fact written in reverse. The writers obviously said "we need to work the phrase 'get in to another man's shorts' in so how can we organise for Frasier to be 'in another man's shorts' ".

It's still a great episode though, and there are some very clever lines. Patrick Stewart seemed to absolutely LOVE the role. And he was fan-tastic.

In fairness all jokes in sitcoms are completely orchestrated.It's probably the most unrealistic version of entertainment around.If you over think any sitcom you ruin them.

I just assumed after that episode that Patrick Stewart was gay and I was shocked when I saw him and his wife appear on TV last year.

PeterTheEighth

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

In fairness all jokes in sitcoms are completely orchestrated.It's probably the most unrealistic version of entertainment around.If you over think any sitcom you ruin them..

I agree, but I think a mark of a good joke is also that the joke is not so contrived that it is so obviously contrived. There was one example in another episode where Frasier and Niles were talking about who they would invite to their party. They had just decided not to invite two of their friends "Arch and Nina", and of course the punchline of the joke was "Dont cry for me Arch and Nina". Very obviously contrived.

Maybe I've just watched the episodes too many times.

Dirty Dingus McGee

PeterTheEighth wrote: »

I agree, but I think a mark of a good joke is also that the joke is not so contrived that it is so obviously contrived. There was one example in another episode where Frasier and Niles were talking about who they would invite to their party. They had just decided not to invite two of their friends "Arch and Nina", and of course the punchline of the joke was "Dont cry for me Arch and Nina". Very obviously contrived.

Maybe I've just watched the episodes too many times.

I think so.

I went through a phase a few years ago with all the sitcoms I watched where I actually analysed in my head why the joke was funny.I couldn't stop doing it and it ruined every single sitcom out there.Better off to switch off your brain to a certain extent when watching a sitcom it makes them much more enjoyable.

marty_crane

syklops wrote: »

Was that from "The Doctor is out"?

No, it's from "Party, Party" (s.5 ep.23)

PeterTheEighth

marty_crane wrote: »

No, it's from "Party, Party" (s.5 ep.23)

Full Script for The Doctor Is Out below.

http://www.kacl780.net/frasier/transcripts/season_11/episode_3/the_doctor_is_out.html

Kevin: Yeah, kind of like that nervous guy you picked up.
Frasier: Look, I did not pick anybody up! All right, I am going to put
an end to this discussion, because there is nothing to
discuss. On my way home from the gym, I popped into Bad
Billy's looking for a man I was hoping was in the bathroom. I
had a quick sherry with my French polisher and then I left.
As for how I got into another man's shorts, that is no one's
business!

syklops

marty_crane wrote: »

No, it's from "Party, Party" (s.5 ep.23)

I didn't think it was doctor is out.

gimmick

Isn't the contrived nature of Frasier one of its better points? Where you can see a joke coming a mile off, but they cannot?

Mr E

This seems to be the biggest Frasier thread here, so no better place to post the news that it's coming back, with all the original cast (sans John Mahoney, for obvious reasons).

https://www.joe.ie/movies-tv/ready-go-frasier-plans-return-next-year-original-cast-686566

brian_t

It has been confirmed that Kelsey Grammer will reprise his role as Dr Frasier Crane in a new series of comedy classic Frasier on US streaming service Paramount+.

It is not known if co-stars David Hyde Pierce (Niles), Jane Leeves (Daphne) and Peri Gilpin (Roz) will be joining Grammer for the reboot, but US entertainment trade website Deadline says it understands that Hyde Pierce has been approached about a return. John Mahoney, who played Frasier and Niles' father Martin, passed away in 2014.

https://www.rte.ie/entertainment/2021/0225/1199212-frasier-return-is-confirmed-on-streamer-paramount/

brian_t

I've just noticed that JP Liz V1 reported this last night in the List of Renewed - Cancelled - Still under debate - Shows Announced (So Far...) thread.

FunLover18

I've just started rewatching it on RTÉ Player there last week, already up to season 2.

I called my dog Frasier, after the show!

the purple tin

Sadly it looks like Niles won't be returning
Daphne unlikely, Roz, possibly.

It will be set in Chicago rather than Seattle.

Rodney Bathgate

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I called my dog Frasier, after the show!

Does your pet dog have a father with a pet dog called Eddie?

FunLover18

the purple tin wrote: »

Sadly it looks like Niles won't be returning
Daphne unlikely, Roz, possibly.

It will be set in Chicago rather than Seattle.

Makes sense, isn't that where he went in the finale, to follow Laura Linney. Presumably she'll show up.

the purple tin

FunLover18 wrote: »

Makes sense, isn't that where he went in the finale, to follow Laura Linney. Presumably she'll show up.

San Francisco wasn't it?

He's still going to be looking for love so Laura has probably done one.

Ray Donovan

the purple tin wrote: »

San Francisco wasn't it?

He's still going to be looking for love so Laura has probably done one.

No it was Chicago. San Fran would be a short plane ride from Seattle. 2 hours.

astrofool

Deleted User wrote: »

I called my dog Frasier, after the show!

I called our pet budgie, Eddie

Degag

Love the original but i think there is a very faint chance that this will be any good. Hyde Pierce would be a big loss if he's not in it.