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  • 26-09-2014 7:19am
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17


    I'm looking for some advice, basically, I'm 17 and I dropped out of school when I turned 16 and I've been looking for a job ever since, I have no experience, no leaving cert and no qualifications whatsoever and I'm having absolutely no luck at all. I went to Fas when I was 16 and they told me to come back when I'm 17, I went back when I was 17 and they told me to come back when I'm 18... Anyone have advice on how to get a job in my position ?
    And before anyone asks, going back to school isn't an option, anyone I have talked to has asked me is that an option and when I tell them no they still proceed to try and convince me to in a condescending manner which is quite annoying.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,885 ✭✭✭Tzardine


    Have you looked at a job bridge scheme. When do you turn 18.

    Job bridge may help you get some experience onto your CV.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,853 ✭✭✭messrs


    it maybe quiet hard to get a job without experience , unfortunately that's what employers seem to want. Would you be in a position to ask places for work experience for a few months - as in work for free - not ideal I know but at least it may get you some experience.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,738 ✭✭✭mawk


    I presume you are in receipt of social welfare for the last year. If so you are eligible for job bridge. Apply for internships You will get one sooner or later even if it is not a very interesting job. This gives you a base work experience and a reference.

    Ask someone you know who is older and more experienced to do mock interviews with you. Interviewing is truly a skill that needs to be learned through practice.

    And with no condescension at all, seriously reevaluate school. You may have had a terrible time there due to people or struggling with the work, but look into attending a different school Or spreading work over a longer time. Education is the number one factor correlating with you having a successful life.
    There are schools and courses to suit everyone.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17 usurptheczar


    messrs wrote: »
    it maybe quiet hard to get a job without experience , unfortunately that's what employers seem to want. Would you be in a position to ask places for work experience for a few months - as in work for free - not ideal I know but at least it may get you some experience.
    I was supposed to be doing work experience a couple of months ago, at the last minute I was told they won't give me work experience because I'm not in school, they knew I wasn't in school at the start so I don't know why they told me I can.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,374 ✭✭✭Gone West


    I'm looking for some advice, basically, I'm 17 and I dropped out of school when I turned 16 and I've been looking for a job ever since, I have no experience, no leaving cert and no qualifications whatsoever and I'm having absolutely no luck at all. I went to Fas when I was 16 and they told me to come back when I'm 17, I went back when I was 17 and they told me to come back when I'm 18... Anyone have advice on how to get a job in my position ?
    And before anyone asks, going back to school isn't an option, anyone I have talked to has asked me is that an option and when I tell them no they still proceed to try and convince me to in a condescending manner which is quite annoying.
    You need to explain why you can't go back to school because the advice you need will depend on this reason.
    As you are a teenager, you may think it's not an option whatsoever, and let stubbornness, emotion and pride make the decision not to return to school.
    But let me tell you, that is the best thing you can do for your long term career
    right now.

    While there is every chance that you can have a good job with no LC or university, it is much less likely than if you had graduated. As an employer I have no problem hiring drop outs but only if they dropped out to do something meaningful like make a piece of software or travel. I would not be hiring somebody who dropped out at 16 for no good reason.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Without finishing school you stacked the deck against yourself ,
    Your applying for jobs against other applicant's with leaving cert and some experience vs no leaving cert and no experience ,

    You might look into apprenticeship's other than that some sort of vtos course, what is it you want to work at


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17 usurptheczar


    mawk wrote: »
    I presume you are in receipt of social welfare for the last year. If so you are eligible for job bridge. Apply for internships You will get one sooner or later even if it is not a very interesting job. This gives you a base work experience and a reference.
    I'm not receiving social welfare.
    Gatling wrote: »
    Without finishing school you stacked the deck against yourself ,
    Your applying for jobs against other applicant's with leaving cert and some experience vs no leaving cert and no experience ,

    You might look into apprenticeship's other than that some sort of vtos course, what is it you want to work at

    Right now I'm not looking for a "career", I'm just looking for a job to get money so I can pursue other interests that require money.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,592 ✭✭✭drumswan


    Right now I'm not looking for a "career", I'm just looking for a job to get money so I can pursue other interests that require money.
    Why would anyone give you a job? The world doesnt work like that Im afraid.

    You'll be eligible for 100 quid a week off the welfare when you turn 18.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,387 ✭✭✭✭jimmycrackcorm


    Right now I'm not looking for a "career", I'm just looking for a job to get money so I can pursue other interests that require money.


    What employer is going to consider someone who can't can't be arsed finishing school? That's the reality. If you really want to get money to pursue other interests then you need to work towards that and these days that's necessitates a basic education


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,359 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    People - the OP has said s/he doesn't want the "return to school" advice, so please don't give it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,359 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    OP, have you tried volunteer work in a charity shop, as a way to get some experience?

    Have you applied to the likes of McDonalds / supermarkets / chain stores? The likes of these are hiring for Christmas now, and if you can get some experience even in a temporary part-time job, that will help you get more jobs later on?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,648 ✭✭✭desertcircus


    Having no Leaving Cert is an enormous black mark on your CV when competing for jobs against people who have one.In the current environment, with more job-hunters than jobs, most employers will simply disregard a candidate with no LC to save time and reduce perceived risk. If school really isn't an option, fair enough, but think long and hard about it, and bear in mind that not having a Leaving Cert could make things a good deal harder for you for decades


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 743 ✭✭✭KeithTS


    You're coming across as having little to no ambition, why should somebody hire you? What have you got to offer them other than wanting to take their money?

    I was in a similar situation as yourself, I left school at 16 and pissed away a good few years doing different things, I ended up going to college as a mature student and it's turned my life around. Don't be against education, it may not suit you at the moment but think of the long term plan, find something you see yourself doing in the future and work towards that.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,592 ✭✭✭drumswan


    Have you applied to the likes of McDonalds / supermarkets / chain stores?

    None of these hire people without Leaving Certs


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17 usurptheczar


    What employer is going to consider someone who can't can't be arsed finishing school? That's the reality. If you really want to get money to pursue other interests then you need to work towards that and these days that's necessitates a basic education
    Most people have gained "basic education" by the age of 13 years old, the majority that you are "taught" after that is irrelevant to most people and the information they are given will never be used again, for example, most people aren't going to become physicists, chemists or biologists, so why does every person have to study one of these subjects knowing full well they have absolutely no interest in pursuing it, if someone has an interest in one of them, fine, they can choose to study it, but other people shouldn't have to waste their time doing it. The education system now is outdated and irrelevant.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,027 ✭✭✭sunshine and showers


    I'm sorry to say OP that it's hard enough to get a job with a degree, never mind without a Leaving Cert.

    Have you considered the Leaving Cert Applied? If reevaluating secondary education is definitely not an option, your best bet may be trying to work for free. And to keep going back to Fas and asking.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,592 ✭✭✭drumswan


    The education system now is outdated and irrelevant.
    Its fairly relevant to you getting a job.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭Squatman


    Having no Leaving Cert is an enormous black mark on your CV when competing for jobs against people who have one.In the current environment, with more job-hunters than jobs, most employers will simply disregard a candidate with no LC to save time and reduce perceived risk. If school really isn't an option, fair enough, but think long and hard about it, and bear in mind that not having a Leaving Cert could make things a good deal harder for you for decades

    Hes looking for help to get a job, not for the reasons why he doesnt have one.

    OP i would apply to Micky D's and the like. I made a lot of money working there when i was your age.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Meathlass


    Most people have gained "basic education" by the age of 13 years old, the majority that you are "taught" after that is irrelevant to most people and the information they are given will never be used again, for example, most people aren't going to become physicists, chemists or biologists, so why does every person have to study one of these subjects knowing full well they have absolutely no interest in pursuing it, if someone has an interest in one of them, fine, they can choose to study it, but other people shouldn't have to waste their time doing it. The education system now is outdated and irrelevant.

    Education isn't just about learning information; in this digital age we can all do this ourselves online. Education is about teaching you how to think, evaluate, critique and assess various situations. It teaches you how to formulate an argument and defend it in front of your peers.

    What type of places have you submitted CVs to so far? I would spend the next week personally handing a CV into every shop, pub, restaurant in your local town. Tell everyone you, your family and friends know that you are looking for work. Be eager to learn and do basic work. Once you get that first job, it's easier to build on your skills.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17 usurptheczar


    drumswan wrote: »
    Its fairly relevant to you getting a job.
    Because (barely) filling people with useless information they're never going to need in the real world is a good way to serve a purpose.
    Meathlass wrote: »
    Education is about teaching you how to think, evaluate, critique and assess various situations. It teaches you how to formulate an argument and defend it in front of your peers..
    But It's not, the way the education system is used now is a tool for indoctrination, doing the exact opposite of what you said it does, look at how many people go to college and university after they finish school "just because it's the thing to do" because it's drilled into them from an early age that's what you have to do to get ahead in life even if they get no joy from what they are doing.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 743 ✭✭✭KeithTS


    Squatman wrote: »
    Hes looking for help to get a job, not for the reasons why he doesnt have one.

    OP i would apply to Micky D's and the like. I made a lot of money working there when i was your age.

    I completely agree and things should be kept on track but in fairness, the OP is showing quite a lot of ignorance and based on that I wouldn't hire them. I'm not judging, I was in the exact same situation as a kid, just an observation.

    OP, you need to drop into all the supermarkets etc. and talk to them and grab applications from them. It's coming into xmas season so there should be a load of temp positions coming up too. The likes of Argos usually hire a load of xmas staff too. Perhaps focus on something more short term to get some cash and experience and move from there. As it's temp staffing they may not be as pushed with the LC requirement, especially if you impress them and can show them some evidence of you being a hard worker.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭Right Turn Clyde


    I too left school when I was 16. It's difficult for some people to understand how that can be a 'good' thing, but the reasons can be many and varied. Personally, my emotional well-being required me to remove myself from that environment, and I don't regret it. I also know people whose families had fallen on very hard times, and they had no choice but to leave school and start earning.

    However, it's important that you fully realise the implications of doing this. Things are going to be very difficult from here on in. In my day, there were plenty of apprenticeships available, even for people with average Junior Certs. I began one when I was 18, and I was qualified before I turned 23. By then I had a yearning to study at third level, and I eventually returned to education as a mature student to study law. I've just finished my degree and my next step is to qualify as a solicitor. So there are options, but you have to want it and you have to fight for it. I didn't want to be in school, but I wanted to better myself and receive an education. If your only plan is to leave school and pick up some sort of unskilled labour, then you are making the wrong decision, and I have no reservations about saying that to you, despite how sympathetic I am toward your situation.

    You talk about pursuing 'other interests.' My advice to you would be to make sure those other interests are training and/or education, or you're going to have a hard life ahead of you, or the increased possibility of a hard life.

    Best of luck.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Meathlass


    Because (barely) filling people with useless information they're never going to need in the real world is a good way to serve a purpose.

    But It's not, the way the education system is used now is a tool for indoctrination, doing the exact opposite of what you said it does, look at how many people go to college and university after they finish school "just because it's the thing to do" because it's drilled into them from an early age that's what you have to do to get ahead in life even if they get no joy from what they are doing.

    We'll agree to disagree on the nature of the education system!

    Can you tell us what kind of steps you've been doing to get a job and we may be able to give additional recommendations?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25 greilly123


    Most people have gained "basic education" by the age of 13 years old, the majority that you are "taught" after that is irrelevant to most people and the information they are given will never be used again, for example, most people aren't going to become physicists, chemists or biologists, so why does every person have to study one of these subjects knowing full well they have absolutely no interest in pursuing it, if someone has an interest in one of them, fine, they can choose to study it, but other people shouldn't have to waste their time doing it. The education system now is outdated and irrelevant.
    What do you have a interest in ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭Right Turn Clyde


    Because (barely) filling people with useless information they're never going to need in the real world is a good way to serve a purpose.

    But It's not, the way the education system is used now is a tool for indoctrination, doing the exact opposite of what you said it does, look at how many people go to college and university after they finish school "just because it's the thing to do" because it's drilled into them from an early age that's what you have to do to get ahead in life even if they get no joy from what they are doing.

    Says who? You? Speculate all you want, but it's your future that hangs in the balance, not ours.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30 Bostitch12


    I'm looking for some advice, basically, I'm 17 and I dropped out of school when I turned 16 and I've been looking for a job ever since, I have no experience, no leaving cert and no qualifications whatsoever and I'm having absolutely no luck at all. I went to Fas when I was 16 and they told me to come back when I'm 17, I went back when I was 17 and they told me to come back when I'm 18... Anyone have advice on how to get a job in my position ?
    And before anyone asks, going back to school isn't an option, anyone I have talked to has asked me is that an option and when I tell them no they still proceed to try and convince me to in a condescending manner which is quite annoying.

    Hi OP,

    You are a difficult situation. Most employers these days look for an employee to have completed the leaving cert atleast but this does not mean that there is not an employer out there that will be willing to give you a job and a start up. So keep applying to anywhere you can. Try meet people to talk to them face to face instead of just leaving in a CV and waiting for a call that might never come. There is competition for jobs out there so you will need to make that extra bit of effort to try leave an impression with a potential employer.

    What sort of an area are you living in? Is it a city area or a rural area?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 318 ✭✭Not2Good


    Ask yourself what skills do you have. Are you any good at gardening, computers, DIY? If you have skills it is never too found to start to work for yourself. Even if this bout of self employment get you minimum wage. Self-starters, self motivated people ARE sought by employers and might tip a job in your favour. Setting your own hours gives you flexibility to do interviews and look for part-time work which you shouldn't rule out. at an interview telling them that you do gardening as a sole trader or web design or whatever will help. If you go down this route you have to keep the self motivation going and potential employers know that self-motivation is a trait in short supply these days… just some thoughts from a happily self-employed person (financial) who started working since 12 with 'milk rounds', gardening, petrol stations etc and who did later continue with education but it was the motivation etc that helped me most I think.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,359 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    drumswan wrote: »
    None of these hire people without Leaving Certs

    So how do people who are still at secondary school get jobs there?


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Because (barely) filling people with useless information they're never going to need in the real world is a good way to serve a purpose.

    But It's not, the way the education system is used now is a tool for indoctrination, doing the exact opposite of what you said it does, look at how many people go to college and university after they finish school "just because it's the thing to do" because it's drilled into them from an early age that's what you have to do to get ahead in life even if they get no joy from what they are doing.

    The sad thing is you are obviously an intelligent and articulate person, you are cutting your self off from so many opportunities by rejecting education, however that is your choice.

    The world is not going to change for you....you have no experience or formal education so that make it very difficult to get a job all the raging about education as indoctrination wont change that. Did you ever think to yourself why would and employer take you above someone with a leaving cert.

    I think the best you can hope for is that you get on a good fas course with good work experience included.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,359 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    Says who? You? Speculate all you want, but it's your future that hangs in the balance, not ours.

    Give it a rest.

    Every society ever has some young people for whom formal education simply is not a good fit at that point in their lives. Many of them get back into education later on - when their head is in the right place for it. Pushing education of people who aren't open to it is purely a waste of time.

    Yes, their future hangs in the balance - they could get involved in something pro-social (a low wage job, healthy hobbies) - or something anti-social (illegal activities, no hobbies). But really it's no different to other young people.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    So how do people who are still at secondary school get jobs there?

    Usually by contacts they have already, when I was young I had a part time job at 14 and I babysat at 13 ( a new baby ) leaving a 13 year old all day with a new baby would be considered some sort of child abuse today, yet it was un remarked on whey I was a teen.

    The world of work has changed for teens any I know that are working are 17 or 18 not younger. Things have become a lot more formal as well there is not the opportunity of casual work the way there use to be. I have even seen student going through university without ever having a part time job or only working a vague few hours now and then.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 988 ✭✭✭Zeouterlimits


    Hey OP,

    Best of luck in this, I know it must be tough on you.
    There unfortunately might not be a short term fix.

    1) Are you willing / able to work for free to gain some CV experience?
    2) Are you willing / able to move to areas [even countries] looking for manual labour?
    3) Is there a craft you're particularly good at / interested in? Something you could apprentice at? You'd need to demonstrate your interest / motivation / devotion?
    4) Have you contacted all and any friends, family and family friends?
    Let them know you're looking. That you're really looking, real hungry for a job.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,853 ✭✭✭messrs


    I'm looking for some advice, basically, I'm 17 and I dropped out of school when I turned 16 and I've been looking for a job ever since, I have no experience, no leaving cert and no qualifications whatsoever and I'm having absolutely no luck at all. I went to Fas when I was 16 and they told me to come back when I'm 17, I went back when I was 17 and they told me to come back when I'm 18... Anyone have advice on how to get a job in my position ?
    And before anyone asks, going back to school isn't an option, anyone I have talked to has asked me is that an option and when I tell them no they still proceed to try and convince me to in a condescending manner which is quite annoying.

    Hi OP, I have seen Argos are currently advertising for their Christmas staff, as im sure a lot of other places are aswell, ive seen Dealz also advertise as the seem to have new shops opening up all over! What is your location?

    Other than that, do you have any contacts that could help you get a foot in the door somewhere, as in , a family member or maybe one of your parents friends working somewhere that could vouch for you and get you a start somewhere?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 421 ✭✭tomhenryford


    Unfortunately, they are an awful lot of people looking for jobs who not only finished school but who have a degree and masters degrees who can't get anything, you're a long way down the line for potential employers considering the pool of educated youth they have to choose from.

    Two things I would work on if I were you are 1) have a very good reason as to why you don't want to go back and do your Leaving Cert and 2) get rid of that 'I don't want a career at the moment' attitude you have going on there.

    Do you really think any employer is remotely interested in hiring someone that has no career plan or ambition? If you even lucky enough to get called for a few interviews that would be some wake up call for you.

    Even Argos who are hiring temporary Christmas staff at the moment are looking for the Leaving Cert. The only thing I think you have any chance of getting is kitchen work. Walk into every restaurant and hotel around you and say you're willing to scrub pots and I'm sure one of them will take you on.

    If I was an employer and had a choice between you and someone who spent a few months scrubbing pots, I choose the person that scrubbed pots.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 421 ✭✭tomhenryford


    messrs wrote: »
    Hi OP, I have seen Argos are currently advertising for their Christmas staff, as im sure a lot of other places are aswell, ive seen Dealz also advertise as the seem to have new shops opening up all over! What is your location?

    Other than that, do you have any contacts that could help you get a foot in the door somewhere, as in , a family member or maybe one of your parents friends working somewhere that could vouch for you and get you a start somewhere?

    Dealz are looking for 'experienced sales assistants'. Argos require a Leaving Cert.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    OP the simple fact is that the best thing you can do for yourself is go back to school. If you have a problem with your old school then look into doing the leaving at a different school or a PLC college or something.

    However, judging by your subsequent comments on education, it seems like you just don't want to do the leaving cert out of naivety and stubbornness. I can pretty much guarantee you, unless you're extremely lucky with regards to jobs over the next few years and/or you win the lottery, that will a decision you'll come to regret in the long term.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,663 ✭✭✭MouseTail


    Have you thought about Youthreach? It is for early school leavers like yourself, you won't get the Leaving Cert, but you will get FETAC Level 4 or 5, and some work experience, you will also get payment of €40 for attending.

    http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/education/vocational_education_and_training/youthreach.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,648 ✭✭✭desertcircus


    Most people have gained "basic education" by the age of 13 years old, the majority that you are "taught" after that is irrelevant to most people and the information they are given will never be used again, for example, most people aren't going to become physicists, chemists or biologists, so why does every person have to study one of these subjects knowing full well they have absolutely no interest in pursuing it, if someone has an interest in one of them, fine, they can choose to study it, but other people shouldn't have to waste their time doing it. The education system now is outdated and irrelevant.

    The Leaving Cert is of heavily limited use in and of itself, but it's hugely important as a signal to employers that a person is willing and able to work. Without that, you're at an immediate disadvantage compared to every other job seeker with their LC, because an employer will take one look at the education section of the two CVs and automatically discount the one with no Leaving Cert. It might be frustrating, it might be outmoded, it might be irrelevant, but like it or not it's the yardstick that's in place, and not doing it will put you at a severe disadvantage for the next two decades of your life at least. Even if you find a job and impress your bosses, promotion may depend on you having a Leaving Cert. If you really dislike the LC, take a look at the international baccalaureate: some people reckon it teaches critical thinking and argument better than the mainstream options.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,033 ✭✭✭Winty


    What about the British Army or Navy or if feel adventurous the French foreign legion?

    You can see the world and get a trade like carpenter, bricklayer or electrician


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17 usurptheczar


    Do any of you guys know of any training I can get ? ^ I know of Youthreach but something that lasts nearly 2 years isn't ideal at all.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,738 ✭✭✭mawk


    Op, can you please supply some demographic information abs maybe we can advise better.
    Gender, location etc

    A few people have asked about your interests and skills, this is important information.

    In fact it would be a good idea to paste your CV here minus any contact information and I will advise you on it.

    In the past 10 years I have gone from a job in centra to pulling pints to running teams of engineers making medical products to welding art pieces in my spare time and selling them. I've also been involved I'm hiring people. I'm sure I can be of some advice


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17 usurptheczar


    I'm a male from Dublin.
    There isn't much on my cv except for what school I went to, Junior results, and then "profile" stuff like "Reliable and punctual" and "Willing to learn new skills" etc and then my contact info.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Meathlass


    While you're looking for a job OP why don't you try and get some volunteer work. It could be helping out at an animal shelter, doing shop work for a charity etc.

    That would be proof to an employer that you are 'reliable and punctual' and 'willing to learn new skills'.

    I still think doing a blitz of all your local businesses and offering to do any work they have available will get you a few hours somewhere. It might be collecting glasses in a pub or washing pots in a restaurant but it's a start.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7 Storeybud?


    Hi, i know what your going through and im not going to tell you to go back to education, you have your own reasons for not wanting to be there.
    What are you interested in? I know you are just looking for a job but if you are smart you can incorporate your job to include training of some sort. What about a car mechanic apprentice? Young fellas love cars apparently and i managed to line up 3 interviews in one day for a lad like your self to start an apprenticeship. The trainging allowance is better than the dole and you would be fully qualifed in a few years and you would have a head start on people your own age. If your not interested in cars there are loads of different apprenticeships, look them up on solas/fas website.
    Solas also do welding courses etc that only last a few months and you can get great jobs from that.
    Spend a few hours doing a bit of research on solas/fas and see what interests you. Best of luck.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 203 ✭✭Delphinium


    I have to say you show some courage in dropping out. School is torture and pointless for lots of young people. I say this as someone who teaches. The education of our children is stuck in the past and is only suited to the few who will be successful in third level. LCA is not really an option either.
    But, once outside the system, it gets difficult and expensive to achieve a career. No one owes you a livivg You need to focus on your strengths and show some ability and dedication in the area of your interest. You also need to demonstrate a willingness to work and see a task through. Offer your time to voluntary work in an area where you have an interset and build up a reputation for dependability. Many jobs come from word of mouth so you need to make contacts locally. Good luck.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,663 ✭✭✭MouseTail


    Do any of you guys know of any training I can get ? ^ I know of Youthreach but something that lasts nearly 2 years isn't ideal at all.
    You can complete the programme in one year if you put the work in. There is very little training out there for under 18s. I would advise a one years Youthreach, and then progress to further training, an apprenticeship or work.


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 10,669 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    Most people have gained "basic education" by the age of 13 years old, the majority that you are "taught" after that is irrelevant to most people and the information they are given will never be used again, for example, most people aren't going to become physicists, chemists or biologists, so why does every person have to study one of these subjects knowing full well they have absolutely no interest in pursuing it, if someone has an interest in one of them, fine, they can choose to study it, but other people shouldn't have to waste their time doing it. The education system now is outdated and irrelevant.

    Well obviously the rest of the world does not think so, as you are learning. To be absolutely blunt about it you are unemployable and that is a terrible conclusion to reach about someone so young!

    If you don't cop on, your future will consist of periods of occasional casual labor peppered with long periods of unemployment and believe me as you get older you'll realize that pushing pen is a lot easier than a shovel!

    Seriously if you do not adjust your attitude and try to get some kind of education and training, you are not looking at much of a future and that is really sad.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭Right Turn Clyde


    Give it a rest.

    Every society ever has some young people for whom formal education simply is not a good fit at that point in their lives. Many of them get back into education later on - when their head is in the right place for it. Pushing education of people who aren't open to it is purely a waste of time.

    I agree. I was one of those people. However, the OP is trying to justify his own actions by making unsubstantiated claims about the nature of third level education. So in that respect, no, I won't give it a rest.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,122 ✭✭✭killanena


    I'm a male from Dublin.
    There isn't much on my cv except for what school I went to, Junior results, and then "profile" stuff like "Reliable and punctual" and "Willing to learn new skills" etc and then my contact info.

    I don't know about dublin but in clare you can do the leaving cert applied with the ennis youth centre and get paid by Fás while attending. Leaving cert applied is more of a practical approach to the leaving cert. You are given tasks and assignments to complete in a set time frame with an easier exam at the end of the 2 years. It is also built quite similar to a PLC course. That will get you a level 4 at least and from there you can go on to do a level 5 PLC course in any area you are interested in. Might be something to look into in dublin. Im sure there is something.

    Edit:
    A lot of leaving cert applied courses that are not run in schools will not require you to wear a uniform. And the + side to it being in a youth centre is that you will have access to consulars that are usually younger then the ones you would meet in school.
    I am also dropped out at 16 and also hated the fact when I tried looking for work the only words I would ever hear is why don't you go back to school.. Did my LCA, a lot easier then the LC and a lot less like school and more like "pre" college :P. I am now 20 working part time and doing courses to find the exactly area of computers and technology I want to go on to college to study. Im taking my time instead of rushing into the first "good idea" that pops into my head and I hope that it will pay off.

    I wish you look man and hope you one day have your ideal life :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    I'm a male from Dublin.
    There isn't much on my cv except for what school I went to, Junior results, and then "profile" stuff like "Reliable and punctual" and "Willing to learn new skills" etc and then my contact info.

    Reliable when you dropped out of school certainly wouldn't use the too together been honest .
    You need to literally sell yourself to a future employer .
    Write your self a decent cover letter stating your strengths and and any skills you many have .
    or find somebody to help you .
    You also have to show your determined get help with your cv .
    Then work on your sales pitch ( confidence , appearance and so on )


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