2014 World Championships - Mens TT 24/9/14 *No spoiler tags required*

Beasty

Thought I would start a thread before someone gets carried away with spoiler tags in the main Championships thread:)

Entry list here

Entries include Nico Roche. Wiggins and Dowsett represent GBR and last off is due to be Tony Martin

The UCI youtube channel should have live coverage

Inquitus

Wiggo v Panzerwagen, can't wait. Wiggins was savage in the TTT, think he's in the best form we have seen to challenge Tony on a TT like this.

Darkglasses

Martin or Rohan Dennis IMO.

Inquitus

Darkglasses wrote: »

Martin or Rohan Dennis IMO.

55/1 on Dennis, good e/w punt if you fancy him.

Darkglasses

Inquitus wrote: »

55/1 on Dennis, good e/w punt if you fancy him.

For sure, already grabbed it

Beasty

Just looking at the Start List - one of the Slovenians, Matej Mohoric, is younger than Ryan Mullen:eek:

niceonetom

Beasty wrote: »

Just looking at the Start List - one of the Slovenians, Matej Mohoric, is younger than Ryan Mullen:eek:

But he rides for Canondale and so is ineligible for the U23 championships.

Beasty

niceonetom wrote: »

But he rides for Canondale and so is ineligible for the U23 championships.

Didn't realise there was such a restriction - another reason for Mullen to steer clear of the pro teams for a while. However surely if it's the world championships there really shouldn't be such a restriction? In my view the U23s should be open to the best in the world and not just those that have not picked up a contract with a pro team

I guess though that may open up a can of worms at the other end of the age scale with current pros potentially being eligible for World Masters events, although those events are run independently from the "traditional" worlds, even if under the auspices of the UCI

niceonetom

Beasty wrote: »

Didn't realise there was such a restriction - another reason for Mullen to steer clear of the pro teams for a while. However surely if it's the world championships there really shouldn't be such a restriction? In my view the U23s should be open to the best in the world and not just those that have not picked up a contract with a pro team

I guess though that may open up a can of worms at the other end of the age scale with current pros potentially being eligible for World Masters events, although those events are run independently from the "traditional" worlds, even if under the auspices of the UCI

I certainly think that unless some Pro-Tour team arrives on Mullen's doorstep with a wheelbarrow full of money he should stay with An Post if only so he can have another go at getting those stripes next year.

As far as I know the slightly fudged system with U23s and Elite is an accident of history - there was no official pro TT championships, the Grand Prix des Nations functioned as a de facto champs instead. There was an amateur WC event and I think that lives on as the U23 / non-world-tour category. It's a solution only the UCI could come up with.

dastardly00

Interesting stuff about that age/pro-team restriction, I never knew it existed either.

pelevin

U23's not being eligible for U23 events seems silly to me too, something like the Olympics attempting to block off the pro's before. If for instance the U23 TT title is a strong incentive for a rider, it seems an unfair either-or situation to be put in in terms of signing to a higher tiered team or not.

In terms of today's TT, I wouldn't be surprised if Wiggins won given how strong he seems & maybe more importantly how Martin seemed a bit below par in the TTT, & as he himself said of how he is right now.

bazermc

Is there anywhere I can watch highlights of this this evening

I see live coverage is only on the BBC red button, so cant Sky plus it.

I presume Youtube channel allows play back

Zyzz

Team Wiggo for sure!!

Beasty

bazermc wrote: »

I presume Youtube channel allows play back

There's a full replay of yesterday's women's TT currently available, so I would imagine they will do the same for today's TT

dastardly00

bazermc wrote: »

Is there anywhere I can watch highlights of this this evening

I see live coverage is only on the BBC red button, so cant Sky plus it.

I presume Youtube channel allows play back

Beasty wrote: »

There's a full replay of yesterday's women's TT currently available, so I would imagine they will do the same for today's TT

A full replay and a 5 minute highlights video are available on the UCI Youtube channel for all the events

niceonetom

Live timing.

pelevin

Just turned on the Youtube channel. Blue skies, so nice you'd almost believe you could be in Ireland.

Mohoric, the 19 year old just started. Pushing that point again - seems to make as much sense to me he not being eligible for the U23s because he's with a Pro team as over 23s not eligible for the seniors because they're with Pro teams.

Darkglasses

niceonetom wrote: »

I certainly think that unless some Pro-Tour team arrives on Mullen's doorstep with a wheelbarrow full of money he should stay with An Post if only so he can have another go at getting those stripes next year.

As far as I know the slightly fudged system with U23s and Elite is an accident of history - there was no official pro TT championships, the Grand Prix des Nations functioned as a de facto champs instead. There was an amateur WC event and I think that lives on as the U23 / non-world-tour category. It's a solution only the UCI could come up with.

That's fascinating, nice one tom

D3PO

pelevin wrote: »

Just turned on the Youtube channel. Blue skies, so nice you'd almost believe you could be in Ireland.

Mohoric, the 19 year old just started. Pushing that point again - seems to make as much sense to me he not being eligible for the U23s because he's with a Pro team as over 23s not eligible for the seniors because they're with Pro teams.

I that 100% definatly the case ?

I always thought it wasnt a rule but that Pro teams wanted / push their guys to ride in the elite champs rather than in the U23 events.

I could be wrong but my understanding is there is no rule precluding Mohoric or any other U23 with a Proteam from riding U23.

But like I said I may be mistaken.

EDIT My understanding was wrong

9.2.020 Under 23 riders who belong to a UCI ProTeam may not ride the Under 23 individual road time trial.
An under 23 rider who is attached to a UCI ProTeam for the period from 1 August to 31 December
under the provisions of article 2.15.110 may ride the Under 23 individual time trial

neris

Nicos about to go

neris

why do they always have to mention stephen roche and 1987 when Nicos racing

pelevin

neris wrote: »

why do they always have to mention stephen roche and 1987 when Nicos racing

Because Stephen Roche is his dad.

pelevin

D3PO wrote: »

I that 100% definatly the case ?

I always thought it wasnt a rule but that Pro teams wanted / push their guys to ride in the elite champs rather than in the U23 events.

I could be wrong but my understanding is there is no rule precluding Mohoric or any other U23 with a Proteam from riding U23.

But like I said I may be mistaken.

EDIT My understanding was wrong

9.2.020 Under 23 riders who belong to a UCI ProTeam may not ride the Under 23 individual road time trial.
An under 23 rider who is attached to a UCI ProTeam for the period from 1 August to 31 December
under the provisions of article 2.15.110 may ride the Under 23 individual time trial

I think they were saying the other day during the U23 TT that Keung, who came 3rd, certainly won't be competing next year even though still young enough, which sounded like it wasn't a matter of choice. . . . Just seen your edit.

Lusk_Doyle

pelevin wrote: »

Because Stephen Roche is his dad.

Has he ever tested positive for that?

pelevin

Lusk_Doyle wrote: »

Has he ever tested positive for that?

I always thought he looked an awful lot like Paul Kimmage.

Beasty

pelevin wrote: »

I always thought he looked an awful lot like Paul Kimmage.

Just when we thought "cycling politics" in Ireland was starting to settle down a little :pac:

ChickenBalls

what channel is this been shown on?

Beasty

BBC Red button, or UCI Youtube channel

Rambling Man

Nico must have an irrational hatred of this circuit.

REBELSAFC

Poor first section from Nico. 48seconds down in 27th place

REBELSAFC

REBELSAFC wrote: »

Poor first section from Nico. 48seconds down in 27th place

A bit better in the second section....68 seconds down and up to 20th place

gordongekko

Is there any reason we did not let Ryan Mullen ride this for us?

MPFG

Maybe Ryan Mullen didn'tt want to as riding under 23 RR and more likely to get a result there

Rambling Man

niceonetom wrote: »

Live timing.

That's very neat. I'm "working on a spreadsheet"

REBELSAFC

Nico through the third check at 1min 59. Currently 24th out of 41 riders on the road

dastardly00

I think Wiggo will win this.

REBELSAFC

Stronger finish from Nico 2.28 down. Currently 17th out of 33 with most of the favorites yet to come. I'd imagine he'll be very disappointed with that performance

REBELSAFC

Rambling Man wrote: »

That's very neat. I'm "working on a spreadsheet"

You'll have to hide the flags though

MPFG

REBELSAFC wrote: »

Stronger finish from Nico 2.28 down. Currently 17th out of 33 with most of the favorites yet to come. I'd imagine he'll be very disappointed with that performance

Alot worse than last year (when Bjarne Riis in ear)
He went out too slow imo...probably hoping to keep energy for climb but too far off the pace and too much to make up

Darkglasses

Dennis well ahead of Malori and Dowsett. 8 seconds ahead of Dumoulin too.

Loving that live time sheet

Beasty

gordongekko wrote: »

Is there any reason we did not let Ryan Mullen ride this for us?

Because he's in the U23s - can't ride both

MPFG

Chava going so well

check_six

I haven't seen anything about the course. What's it like?

Darkglasses

check_six wrote: »

I haven't seen anything about the course. What's it like?

Couple of significant climbs

check_six

Just looking at the timing board... looks like Tony Martin is tearing up the course 4seconds up on Wiggo

Ultegra

Martin 4 secs better than Wiggins after 1st time check

Darkglasses

Dennis leader on the road....Go on my son!!

MPFG

Camera manis a Kyrenkia fan it seems

REBELSAFC

check_six wrote: »

Just looking at the timing board... looks like Tony Martin is tearing up the course 4seconds up on Wiggo

Those hills at the end should play into Wiggins hands though. If there is a small gap between them going onto the third time check, my money would be on Wiggins

Darkglasses

Martin 2'64 slower than Wiggo through the second check

Ultegra

When is Phil Ligget retiring?