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would aliens believe in God?

  • 21-09-2014 6:46pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,091 ✭✭✭


    If an aliens landed on earth would they be religious I wonder?

    They'd obviously be far more advanced than us to get here in the first place, so if they believed in a Creator would we all convert to their religion?

    Or, would we say they were deluded?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,816 ✭✭✭lulu1


    I dont know if they would be religious or not but if and when I meet one I will ask and get back to you.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 318 ✭✭Not2Good


    The ones I met do


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,816 ✭✭✭lulu1


    Not2Good wrote: »
    The ones I met do

    That is good to know because I was starting to worry about it


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    Hitchens wrote: »
    If an aliens landed on earth would they be religious I wonder?

    If they weren't, I'd imagine they were in their distant past. Every single culture on Earth, since civilization began, has worshiped some form of deity...with the 'creator' theme pretty much common to all. Even isolated cultures, who have had no contact with any other religions & wouldn't in any way influenced by them, have beliefs/religions. It seems to be a very common theme, certainly amongst the human race, to believe in something bigger, usually a creator.

    If they did make it here, & were religious, I don't think that'd end well for us...so hopefully not! :o


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,226 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    They came here before. We crucified their leader.

    Next!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,094 ✭✭✭wretcheddomain


    If they came here, they'd evidently be so advanced that we'd consider them akin to gods.

    Everyone afterword would convert to atheism as monotheism wouldn't be able to explain their existence.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,669 ✭✭✭policarp


    Hitchens wrote: »
    If an aliens landed on earth would they be religious I wonder?

    They'd obviously be far more advanced than us to get here in the first place, so if they believed in a Creator would we all convert to their religion?

    Or, would we say they were deluded?

    Interesting question.
    Who is God?
    What is God?
    Is the sun God?
    Is the moon God?
    There are Gods in Peru,
    in Australia, America,etc.

    If they come here they
    will teach us a lesson or two.
    IMO.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,324 ✭✭✭Cork boy 55


    It's quite possible look at the Earth humanoids that have set foot on Luna

    Neil Armstrong is a deist and Buzz Aldrin had communion on the moon
    Before Armstrong and Aldrin stepped out of the lunar module on July 20, 1969, Aldrin unstowed a small plastic container of wine and some bread. He had brought them to the moon from Webster Presbyterian church near Houston, where he was an elder. Aldrin had received permission from the Presbyterian church's general assembly to administer it to himself. In his book Magnificent Desolation he shares the message he then radioed to Nasa: "I would like to request a few moments of silence … and to invite each person listening in, wherever and whomever they may be, to pause for a moment and contemplate the events of the past few hours, and to give thanks in his or her own way."

    He then ate and drank the elements. The surreal ceremony is described in an article by Aldrin in a 1970 copy of Guideposts magazine: "I poured the wine into the chalice our church had given me. In the one-sixth gravity of the moon the wine curled slowly and gracefully up the side of the cup. It was interesting to think that the very first liquid ever poured on the moon, and the first food eaten there, were communion elements."

    He also read a section of the gospel of John. During it all, Armstrong, reportedly a deist, is said to have watched respectfully but without making any comment.

    more --->
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2012/sep/13/buzz-aldrin-communion-moon


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,563 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    Everyone afterword would convert to atheism as monotheism wouldn't be able to explain their existence.
    Yes, because right now monotheists have nothing that needs explaining when it comes to their beliefs.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,016 ✭✭✭✭vibe666


    Dades wrote: »
    Yes, because right now monotheists have nothing that needs explaining when it comes to their beliefs.

    that isn't going to change though because of aliens or stop people from being gullible. they'll just roll out the usual "god did it", "god works in mysterious ways" etc.

    monotheists have already conclusively shown that in the majority of cases you can't change a religious belief with evidence, logic or reason.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,271 ✭✭✭Yggr of Asgard


    Hitchens wrote: »
    If an aliens landed on earth would they be religious I wonder?

    They'd obviously be far more advanced than us to get here in the first place, so if they believed in a Creator would we all convert to their religion?

    Or, would we say they were deluded?

    It depends on how gullible they are.

    If they believe in something I'm sure the humans will quickly follow what their new overlords believe in because humans just want to survive.


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,551 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    Isn't this thread abit like asking "would aliens believe in the easter bunny"

    For some reason we like to apply our narrow viewpoints onto other races/species, funny thing is there are groups of people on earth that don't even believe in a all powerful creator. The very idea of one makes no sense to them unless evidence can be provided.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirah%C3%A3_people
    According to Everett, the Pirahã have no concept of a supreme spirit or god,[11] and they lost interest in Jesus when they discovered that Everett had never seen him. They require evidence based on personal experience for every claim made.

    So I suppose, if we encountered Aliens they might have a viewpoint like this or any number of different viewpoints that we can't even comprehend yet.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,881 Mod ✭✭✭✭smacl


    Cabaal wrote: »
    Isn't this thread abit like asking "would aliens believe in the easter bunny"

    Or even "would the easter bunny believe in aliens?". Its kind of interesting to compare one fantastical entity that we don't know exists, but suspect might, with another fantastic entity that we don't know exists, but suspect doesn't.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,449 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Hitchens wrote: »
    If an aliens landed on earth would they be religious I wonder?
    Works both ways.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,768 ✭✭✭✭Mr. CooL ICE


    Well, the Gelgameks believe

    Gelgamek.jpg


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,232 ✭✭✭Brian Shanahan


    Myrddin wrote: »
    If they weren't, I'd imagine they were in their distant past. Every single culture on Earth, since civilization began, has worshiped some form of deity...with the 'creator' theme pretty much common to all. Even isolated cultures, who have had no contact with any other religions & wouldn't in any way influenced by them, have beliefs/religions. It seems to be a very common theme, certainly amongst the human race, to believe in something bigger, usually a creator.

    If they did make it here, & were religious, I don't think that'd end well for us...so hopefully not! :o


    That supposition doesn't hold necessarily. What you are doing by supposing that aliens were probably religious at some stage is imposing anthropomorphic values upon creatures which, by definition, will have no humanity in them. We honestly don't know how many ways there are for intelligence to evolve, what kind of characteristics it will take and how that will develop culturally, and going by what has happened here on Earth is too small a sample size to say anything other than "intelligent life based on carbon molecules is possible elswhere in the universe". There is no way that we can currently ascribe characteristics as typical for intelligent beings.

    The simplest and most honest answer to the OPs question is "I don't know. Hopefully some day we'll meet some aliens and find out."


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,543 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Neil Armstrong is a deist

    Not any more.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Hitchens wrote: »
    If an aliens landed on earth would they be religious I wonder?

    They'd obviously be far more advanced than us to get here in the first place, so if they believed in a Creator would we all convert to their religion?

    Or, would we say they were deluded?
    I don't think they're religious ... but I understand that they know that God exists.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    That supposition doesn't hold necessarily. What you are doing by supposing that aliens were probably religious at some stage is imposing anthropomorphic values upon creatures which, by definition, will have no humanity in them.
    That's true.
    We honestly don't know how many ways there are for intelligence to evolve, what kind of characteristics it will take and how that will develop culturally, and going by what has happened here on Earth is too small a sample size to say anything other than "intelligent life based on carbon molecules is possible elsewhere in the universe". There is no way that we can currently ascribe characteristics as typical for intelligent beings.
    Intelligence can only evolve by the appliance of intelligence ... and therein lies the problem for a materialistic explanation of 'alien' life.
    The simplest and most honest answer to the OPs question is "I don't know. Hopefully some day we'll meet some aliens and find out."
    I do know ... they know God.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,315 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    Hitchens wrote: »
    They'd obviously be far more advanced than us to get here in the first place, so if they believed in a Creator would we all convert to their religion?
    If they ever feared the unknown, and some of their fellow people wanted power, I'm sure gods of some sort would appear.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    the_syco wrote: »
    If they ever feared the unknown, and some of their fellow people wanted power, I'm sure gods of some sort would appear.
    I think they view themselves as Gods ... but I don't think they are.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,232 ✭✭✭Brian Shanahan


    J C wrote: »
    That's true.

    Intelligence can only evolve by the appliance of intelligence ... and therein lies the problem for a materialistic explanation of 'alien' life.

    I do know ... they know God.

    JC your delusions have no bearing on what anything is or can be. So please stop speculating until you get your head sorted out. It is embarrasing.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,507 ✭✭✭Nino Brown


    the_syco wrote: »
    If they ever feared the unknown, and some of their fellow people wanted power, I'm sure gods of some sort would appear.

    But they'd also have to be pretty smart and evolved to master interstellar travel, I would imagine any species that evolved would be well past believing in a god.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,219 ✭✭✭✭biko


    It was interesting to think that the very first liquid ever poured on the moon, and the first food eaten there, were communion elements.
    That is both interesting and annoying at the same time.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 109 ✭✭Rogaine2


    Hitchens wrote: »
    If an aliens landed on earth would they be religious I wonder?

    They'd obviously be far more advanced than us to get here in the first place, so if they believed in a Creator would we all convert to their religion?

    Or, would we say they were deluded?

    An aliens?

    A Religious?

    A Religious An Aliens.

    I think your answer is there.

    They've already communicated their religious order name to you.
    The ARAA.

    Pronounced a bit like 'Arah!'


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,091 ✭✭✭Hitchens


    Rogaine2 wrote: »
    An aliens?

    A Religious?

    A Religious An Aliens.

    I think your answer is there.

    They've already communicated their religious order name to you.
    The ARAA.

    Pronounced a bit like 'Arah!'

    hopefully they won't be grammer nazis too ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    krudler wrote: »
    I hear it was a book on Evolution that Prymaat Conehead was actually reading in the clip!!!:):D:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    JC your delusions have no bearing on what anything is or can be. So please stop speculating until you get your head sorted out. It is embarrasing.
    I am not speculating ... I am speaking from first hand experience.

    Just because you haven't met an alien doesn't mean they don't exist.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 629 ✭✭✭Sierra 117


    And just because you say you've encountered aliens doesn't mean you have.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Sierra 117 wrote: »
    And just because you say you've encountered aliens doesn't mean you have.
    ... me and thousands of other people.
    I'd say that constitutes very strong eyewitness testimony.:)

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2137449/The-real-life-X-Files-Meet-people-abducted-aliens.html

    Why are you guys so fearful/doubtful over the existence of aliens?

    One minute ye are confidently predicting that they exist ... and the next minute ye are busy denying that people have found that they exist.
    ... its almost like ye don't want your beliefs to be true.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    J C wrote: »
    I hear it was a book on Evolution that Prymaat Conehead was actually reading in the clip!!!:):D:)

    No it's definitely the bible, says it right there on the cover


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,226 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    J C wrote: »
    Why are you guys so fearful/doubtful over the existence of aliens?

    Your favourite tactic is misrepresenting other people's opinions. You should stop. It's ignorant and dishonest.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,084 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    Pherekydes wrote: »
    Your favourite tactic is misrepresenting other people's opinions. You should stop. It's ignorant and dishonest.

    That's JC in a nutshell. His typing style sounds like my annoying 10-year-old brother.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,493 ✭✭✭DazMarz


    There's a bunch of illegal aliens living in my uncle's basement in California and they all seem to be pretty devout.

    That's what you mean, right?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    That's JC in a nutshell. His typing style sounds like my annoying 10-year-old brother.
    ... but you love us both none-the-less!!!:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Pherekydes wrote: »
    Your favourite tactic is misrepresenting other people's opinions. You should stop. It's ignorant and dishonest.
    I'm not misrepresenting ye ... it is true that ye loudly proclaim the possibility (sometimes elevated to a certainty) that Aliens exist ... and when ye come face to face with somebody who has seen the critters ... ye either run away and hide in silence ... or stay and scoff.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    krudler wrote: »
    No it's definitely the bible, says it right there on the cover
    Did nobody ever tell you that you shouldn't judge a book by its cover?:)
    ... the Conehead found so much to laugh at ... that it could only be a large Evolutionist or Atheist tome.:);)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,766 ✭✭✭Bongalongherb


    The whole lot of you are aliens. You are made of star-dust, more than likely from a distant star that exploded in the past, and over billions of years encrusted yourselves DNA onto this new forming planet called earth in the far past.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    The whole lot of you are aliens. You are made of star-dust, more than likely from a distant star that exploded in the past, and over billions of years encrusted yourselves DNA onto this new forming planet called earth.
    Last time I saw something explode ... all it produced was destruction ... but I guess hope and faith (in spontaneous miracles) can spring eternal ... even in the face all logic and experience being to the contrary.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,330 ✭✭✭✭RobbingBandit


    Which God OP.

    I could see hostile aliens believing in the right wing OT God of Republican America.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,766 ✭✭✭Bongalongherb


    J C wrote: »
    Last time I saw something explode ... all it produced was destruction ... but I guess hope and faith (in spontaneous miracles) can spring eternal ... even in the face all logic and experience being to the contrary.

    When something explodes, it still holds particles, and forwards them out afar, but microbes and other particles of DNA would survive the explosion obviously.

    And this is what you came from, like it or not. You are basically an alien. Like the rest of us mere aliens.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Which God OP.

    I could see hostile aliens believing in the right wing OT God of Republican America.
    ... or they might believe in no God ... but the ones I know about, don't just believe in God ... they know He exists.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,766 ✭✭✭Bongalongherb


    How can a person compare themselves and their thinking and beliefs to a civilisation that could be a million years more advanced than us ? it's preposterous to even compare the two.

    If they visited us, I'm sure most folk on this planet would think that they were God/Gods.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,427 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    I think if a race was that technologically advanced and had intersteller travel then they would not believe in god or gods and that they would look at us the same way that we look at insects as pests to be crushed. We would be tiny to them all they would want is our planet and its resources and they would crush us to get them.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    When something explodes, it still holds particles, and forwards them out afar, but microbes and other particles of DNA would survive the explosion obviously.

    And this is what you came from, like it or not. You are basically an alien. Like the rest of us mere aliens.
    ... well I guess that's one way to sort out the question of the existence of Aliens ... by calling ourselves 'Aliens' we can say with certainty that we 'Aliens' exist.:):D

    ... for the rest of us, the question of the existence of non-Human and extra-terrestrial life-forms AKA Aliens (and what they're like) ... is still live.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,330 ✭✭✭✭RobbingBandit


    Which God though, anal probing aliens might be partial to the Greek Gods of olde, one eyed Aliens might like Odin or the Cyclops.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    AMKC wrote: »
    I think if a race was that technologically advanced and had intersteller travel then they would not believe in god or gods and that they would look at us the same way that we look at insects as pests to be crushed. We would be tiny to them all they would want is our planet and its resources and they would crush us to get them.
    ... your scenario would only occur if the advances in their technology wasn't matched by similar advances in their morality and ethics.
    I fear that you may actually be correct though.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,766 ✭✭✭Bongalongherb


    J C wrote: »
    ... well I guess that's one way to sort out the question of the existence of Aliens ... by calling ourselves 'Aliens' we can say with certainty that we 'Aliens' exist.:):D

    ... for the rest of us, the question of the existence of non-Human and extra-terrestrial life-forms AKA Aliens (and what they're like ... is still live.

    The crazy thing about all of this is...we as a species have only sent a few probes to our local planets un-manned, and we honestly haven't a clue what the heck could be out there. We are wide open with little knowledge of what could be actually out there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Which God though, anal probing aliens might be partial to the Greek Gods of olde, one eyed Aliens might like Odin or the Cyclops.
    Anyone but Jesus Christ ... most likely.


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