Gun for farm

Count Mondego

Guys/Ladies

What gun do you have for vermin control on the farm. Have a shotgun but want something with a bit more range for rabbits and foxes. Thinking about a .22 with silencer or a .17 with same. What have you got and are you happy with it?

Zr105

Count Mondego wrote: »

Guys/Ladies

What gun do you have for vermin control on the farm. Have a shotgun but want something with a bit more range for rabbits and foxes. Thinking about a .22 with silencer or a .17 with same. What have you got and are you happy with it?

.17 vs .22 is done in fairly good detail over on the shooting forum of boards, www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=466
you'll probably get a better answer to it over there. Have a .22lr myself and find it perfect for rabbits,

Bullocks

Count Mondego wrote: »

Guys/Ladies

What gun do you have for vermin control on the farm. Have a shotgun but want something with a bit more range for rabbits and foxes. Thinking about a .22 with silencer or a .17 with same. What have you got and are you happy with it?

I've a shotgun and a 17hmr . If you need something for foxes maybe go a bit bigger to give yourself a bit more stopping power . In saying that I'm very happy with the 17 and have taken the odd fox but the mates 2250 drops them alot better

Connemara Farmer

.223 for the red lads, .22 for the rabbits. Both are cheap to buy ammo for and do the job well. 22 will learn ya how to shoot proper, will stand to ya then with the .223. Silencers all 'round, don't mess with your hearing, it doesn't grow back.

Feckthis

Connemara Farmer wrote: »

.223 for the red lads, .22 for the rabbits. Both are cheap to buy ammo for and do the job well. 22 will learn ya how to shoot proper, will stand to ya then with the .223. Silencers all 'round, don't mess with your hearing, it doesn't grow back.

How much would it cost to get a .22, a silencer and light. Total rookie here.

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I have a .22LR and a s/s double barrel.

Connemara Farmer

Feckthis wrote: »

How much would it cost to get a .22, a silencer and light. Total rookie here.

Long time now since I had money to buy any toys :pac: I wouldn't have a clue what's what price wise at the moment.

CZ make accurate rifles at good prices, people call them "agricultural" but they are accurate, which is better than any bell or whistle. You'll need a scope too and possibly a bipod. Look into LED torches, good technology now instead of big batteries and lights. SAK is a good silencer.

Oh, don't listen to anyone telling you to get a heavy barrel on a rimfire (.22 / 17hmr), all it is is more weight for you to carry. On centrefire it's a slightly different story.

Zr105

Connemara Farmer wrote: »

Long time now since I had money to buy any toys :pac: I wouldn't have a clue what's what price wise at the moment.

CZ make accurate rifles at good prices, people call them "agricultural" but they are accurate, which is better than any bell or whistle. You'll need a scope too and possibly a bipod. Look into LED torches, good technology now instead of big batteries and lights. SAK is a good silencer.

Oh, don't listen to anyone telling you to get a heavy barrel on a rimfire (.22 / 17hmr), all it is is more weight for you to carry. On centrefire it's a slightly different story.

+1 on the cz, sak and led torch!
The sak is literally wishper quiet on the 22, firing pin click and the thump of the round hitting the rabbit is about all you'll hear with subsonics.

C0N0R

Zr105 wrote: »

+1 on the cz, sak and led torch!
The sak is literally wishper quiet on the 22, firing pin click and the thump of the round hitting the rabbit is about all you'll hear with subsonics.

Is it quiet enough that it won't spook other rabbits? Have an notion for a .17hmr for rabbits, going to be louder than the .22 is the down side

Re torches, we used to use a led lenser one, think it was a m14, great job.

Reggie.

Connemara Farmer wrote: »

.223 for the red lads, .22 for the rabbits. Both are cheap to buy ammo for and do the job well. 22 will learn ya how to shoot proper, will stand to ya then with the .223. Silencers all 'round, don't mess with your hearing, it doesn't grow back.

Don't I know

Reggie.

Connemara Farmer wrote: »

Long time now since I had money to buy any toys :pac: I wouldn't have a clue what's what price wise at the moment.

CZ make accurate rifles at good prices, people call them "agricultural" but they are accurate, which is better than any bell or whistle. You'll need a scope too and possibly a bipod. Look into LED torches, good technology now instead of big batteries and lights. SAK is a good silencer.

Oh, don't listen to anyone telling you to get a heavy barrel on a rimfire (.22 / 17hmr), all it is is more weight for you to carry. On centrefire it's a slightly different story.

For the rifle, scope, moderator,the course and applying for the license would cost ya roughly €1000

Zr105

C0N0R wrote: »

Is it quiet enough that it won't spook other rabbits? Have an notion for a .17hmr for rabbits, going to be louder than the .22 is the down side

Re torches, we used to use a led lenser one, think it was a m14, great job.

Yes and no.. Find a lot of the time they clear out... Strangely enough i was out with a friend with a 22mag and the rabbits seemed to be as likely to hang around with the crack from his as they did with mine, we reckoned the crack kind of half froze them if you get me

I suppose it could be that the rabbit suddenly dropping spooks the second rabbit as much as the crack really...

Lenser l7 here(the cheaper one ) and it is ok for out the 50-70yards which is grand for the 22 really

Zr105

Reggie. wrote: »

For the rifle, scope, moderator,the course and applying for the license would cost ya roughly €1000

I'm guessing your thinking new out of the box at that?

Reggie.

Zr105 wrote: »

Yes and no.. Find a lot of the time they clear out... Strangely enough i was out with a friend with a 22mag and the rabbits seemed to be as likely to hang around with the crack from his as they did with mine, we reckoned the crack kind of half froze them if you get me

I suppose it could be that the rabbit suddenly dropping spooks the second rabbit as much as the crack really...

Lenser l7 here(the cheaper one ) and it is ok for out the 50-70yards which is grand for the 22 really

CZ .17hmr here

Zr105

Reggie. wrote: »

CZ .17hmr here

Brno mod 2 in .22 so just the older version of the cz! Friends is a 452 and you'd do well to pick between them without properly looking!

Their a great little rifle in fairness! Certainly one hole jobs once your capable

Reggie.

Zr105 wrote: »

Brno mod 2 in .22 so just the older version of the cz! Friends is a 452 and you'd do well to pick between them without properly looking!

Their a great little rifle in fairness! Certainly one hole jobs once your capable

Wind is a bitch on the 17 compared to the 22 but the 22 has to deal with the fall of shot

Connemara Farmer

Reggie. wrote: »

Wind is a bitch on the 17 compared to the 22 but the 22 has to deal with the fall of shot

Learn to shoot would ya

Zr105

Reggie. wrote: »

Wind is a bitch on the 17 compared to the 22 but the 22 has to deal with the fall of shot

Yeah the 17 is spose to be flat enough to 150yards or their abouts isn't it? If sighted at 50 on the 22 it's something like 7-8inch drop by 100 mil dot scope is handy tho as its down a dot at 100!

Reggie.

Zr105 wrote: »

Yeah the 17 is spose to be flat enough to 150yards or their abouts isn't it? If sighted at 50 on the 22 it's something like 7-8inch drop by 100 mil dot scope is handy tho as its down a dot at 100!

17 good for 200 yards but crosswind interferes with the round

Reggie.

Connemara Farmer wrote: »

Learn to shoot would ya

I'll take ya on anytime

ganmo

Reggie. wrote: »

For the rifle, scope, moderator,the course and applying for the license would cost ya roughly €1000

I got a couple of quotes of around 900 quid that was cz .22 and 700 for a second hand .17 Didn't bite yet

Zr105

Reggie. wrote: »

17 good for 200 yards but crosswind interferes with the round

Aye it's good for it but what I meant was their more or less flat to 150 then start to drop abit after that don't they?

Reggie.

Zr105 wrote: »

Aye it's good for it but what I meant was their more or less flat to 150 then start to drop abit after that don't they?

Drop after 200ish

Zr105

Reggie. wrote: »

Drop after 200ish

Ah not so bad then!

Reggie.

ganmo wrote: »

I got a couple of quotes of around 900 quid that was cz .22 and 700 for a second hand .17 Didn't bite yet

I paid about 900 for everything when i got mine. Brand new

ganmo

.22 ammo is half the price of .17 ammo

Zr105

ganmo wrote: »

.22 ammo is half the price of .17 ammo

15cent a pop! And I'm sure you could do better fairly easy!

Reggie.

ganmo wrote: »

.22 ammo is half the price of .17 ammo

22 is more expensive as it's a bigger round

Base price

Reggie. wrote: »

17 good for 200 yards but crosswind interferes with the round

In fairness cross wind always interferers unless you are shooting point blank.
Zr105 - what is the difference between a Brno model 2, 1, or 3 or more.
I have a Brno - couldn't tell you what model it is but I bought it second hand in 1989.
My brother has an Unique bolt action (French made .22lr) with a heavy bored rifle thingie. It is the bees knees on accuracy compared to the Brno.
One of my greatest achievements to date was a head shot on a rabbit at 122 yds, lying prone. Calm day, Lely standard h/v h/p.

Count Mondego

Reggie. wrote: »

22 is more expensive as it's a bigger round

I'd say you could be wrong there Reg. 22 is bigger but there's more velocity in the .17 so a bigger cartridge. .22s are 50 rounds for around 8 quid. .17 would be 50 for 16 quid.

Reggie.

Count Mondego wrote: »

I'd say you could be wrong there Reg. 22 is bigger but there's more velocity in the .17 so a bigger cartridge. .22s are 50 rounds for around 8 quid. .17 would be 50 for 16 quid.

The 22 rounds in my local gun shop are dearer than the 17. Don't forget there are different heads for the 17 rounds aswell.

Base price

Count Mondego wrote: »

I'd say you could be wrong there Reg. 22 is bigger but there's more velocity in the .17 so a bigger cartridge. .22s are 50 rounds for around 8 quid. .17 would be 50 for 16 quid.

Agree. A neighbour has a .17 which is a lovely gun and packs a punch but I would not like to be buying rounds for it.
Prefer my .22 - backed up with accuracy and most importantly stalking/hunting ability.

Reggie.

Base price wrote: »

In fairness cross wind always interferers unless you are shooting point blank.
Zr105 - what is the difference between a Brno model 2, 1, or 3 or more.
I have a Brno - couldn't tell you what model it is but I bought it second hand in 1989.
My brother has an Unique bolt action (French made .22lr) with a heavy bored rifle thingie. It is the bees knees on accuracy compared to the Brno.
One of my greatest achievements to date was a head shot on a rabbit at 122 yds, lying prone. Calm day, Lely standard h/v h/p.

The crosswind infers more with the 17 than the 22 as the 22 is heavier. It can be judged as per the wind as for a 17 you might have to fire first

Zr105

Base price wrote: »

In fairness cross wind always interferers unless you are shooting point blank.
Zr105 - what is the difference between a Brno model 2, 1, or 3 or more.
I have a Brno - couldn't tell you what model it is but I bought it second hand in 1989.
My brother has an Unique bolt action (French made .22lr) with a heavy bored rifle thingie. It is the bees knees on accuracy compared to the Brno.
One of my greatest achievements to date was a head shot on a rabbit at 122 yds, lying prone. Calm day, Lely standard h/v h/p.

Erm to be honest I couldn't really tell you the difference, I just no mines a 2, it's a big stamp on the top of the barrel just at the front edge of the stock. Brno would be the older rifles, they changed at some point in time to "cz" instead but it's the same crowd. They originate from the same village as zetor tractors(brno is the village!) there's not a hole pile of difference between the general shape between the brno and cz 452's anyways, but their is a heap of variants of the 452, think their called something like "style" "varmint" "American" ect and it's just different woods and finish styles on the stocks!

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Reggie. wrote: »

The crosswind infers more with the 17 than the 22 as the 22 is heavier. It can be judged as per the wind as for a 17 you might have to fire first

Tell me about it
I used to do a bit of target shooting in a previous life with a Bushnell scope.

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Zr105 wrote: »

Erm to be honest I couldn't really tell you the difference, I just no mines a 2, it's a big stamp on the top of the barrel just at the front edge of the stock. Brno would be the older rifles, they changed at some point in time to "cz" instead but it's the same crowd. They originate from the same village as zetor tractors(brno is the village!) there's not a hole pile of difference between the general shape between the brno and cz 452's anyways, but their is a heap of variants of the 452, think their called something like "style" "varmint" "American" ect and it's just different woods and finish styles on the stocks!

Just had a look at mine and it is stamped BRNO.

Zr105

Base price wrote: »

Just had a look at mine and it is stamped BRNO.

If you look just above the stock on the left side just behind the ejection port you'll find an age stamp it's there on all of the brno/cz! Think it could be stamped somewhere else aswell but would have to look to see!

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Zr105 wrote: »

If you look just above the stock on the left side just behind the ejection port you'll find an age stamp it's there on all of the brno/cz! Think it could be stamped somewhere else aswell but would have to look to see!

I dragged it out of "the safe place" to have a look at it earlier and it is now back in hiding.
Will check during the week when I get a chance.

Reggie.

Zr105 wrote: »

If you look just above the stock on the left side just behind the ejection port you'll find an age stamp it's there on all of the brno/cz! Think it could be stamped somewhere else aswell but would have to look to see!

Mine is 12

Zr105

Base price wrote: »

I dragged it out of "the safe place" to have a look at it earlier and it is now back in hiding.
Will check during the week when I get a chance.

Can be interesting! You might get a surprise just how old it is!

Reggie. wrote: »

Mine is 12

Mines either a 68or 69, id say it's seen some rounds in its time! Can still put subs through one hole at 50yards! And would prob do it at 100 if I tried im sure!

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Zr105 wrote: »

Can be interesting! You might get a surprise just how old it is!



Mines either a 68or 69, id say it's seen some rounds in its time! Can still put subs through one hole at 50yards! And would prob do it at 100 if I tried im sure!

Would not be surprised in the least. Thanks to Boards Shooting forum I discovered that my trusty s/s d/b was made between 1912 -1922 or there abouts And it still fires through to this day.
Shame about the auld one pulling the triggers

Zr105

Base price wrote: »

Would not be surprised in the least. Thanks to Boards Shooting forum I discovered that my trusty s/s d/b was made between 1912 -1922 or there abouts And it still fires through to this day.
Shame about the auld one pulling the triggers

That's a fair age alright! Nice to have tho!

Reggie.

Zr105 wrote: »

Can be interesting! You might get a surprise just how old it is!



Mines either a 68or 69, id say it's seen some rounds in its time! Can still put subs through one hole at 50yards! And would prob do it at 100 if I tried im sure!

I zeroed mine in at 150 yards to a 1" grouping

Zr105

Reggie. wrote: »

I zeroed mine in at 150 yards to a 1" grouping

Thatd be nice alright! I haven't bothered to stretch out the zero to beyond the 50 ish to be honest, mainly due to terrain... Most of the time your up on that before you get a shot here! Probably should bring it out to 75 tho as itd be a little bit either way then rather than a big drop to 100...

Base price

Reggie. wrote: »

I zeroed mine in at 150 yards to a 1" grouping

Yeah right - your a real sharpshooter
Like Zr105 we only ever bothered to zero ours at 50yds.

Zr105

Base price wrote: »

Yeah right - your a real sharpshooter
Like Zr105 we only ever bothered to zero ours at 50yds.

Sure the little 17 must only seem like an air rifle to him sure I'm sure he's managed to get a play with something a bit bigger by now?

Reggie.

Zr105 wrote: »

Sure the little 17 must only seem like an air rifle to him sure I'm sure he's managed to get a play with something a bit bigger by now?

120 mm is my biggest to date

Reggie.

Base price wrote: »

Yeah right - your a real sharpshooter
Like Zr105 we only ever bothered to zero ours at 50yds.

Only did it once as we only have one field that suitable but it's hard with any type of wind involved

bogman_bass

Reggie. wrote: »

120 mm is my biggest to date

Recoiless or mortor?

Reggie.

bogman_bass wrote: »

Recoiless or mortor?

Mortar. Take the wind out of your sails it would

Genghis Cant

I think for versatility it's hard to beat a shotgun for farm use. When I say farm use I'd be thinking a jack of all trades weapon capable of a bit of everything.
I'd say a lot of lads started like myself with a Baikal. No frills but solid and dependable!