InfoSec Jobs thread

syklops

Now that we have our "stuff that doesnt need its own thread" thread, I have noticed the forum seems a lot tidier and less chaotic. How would everyone feel about a dedicated jobs thread? I know my employer is desperate for people with the right skills and at least one other person who frequents this thread is looking for people(I know because I got a phone call from a recruiter asking would I be interested in moving to them).

In the applicants we have been interviewing we are seeing a real lack in quality of candidates. One would hope that anyone who frequents this board has some of the right skills and mind set. A recent candidate when asked where he got his security news from said "Motorola". If they had said "The boards InfoSec forum", they would have passed that particular question.

I won't post any jobs now until other boardsies weigh in and agree to the conecpt.

I would suggest some ground rules though. Often these jobs come with referral bonuses. If there is one, maybe we should develop an etiquette? I'm open to thoughts.

Kinet1c

syklops wrote: »

How would everyone feel about a dedicated jobs thread?

Awesome idea!

syklops wrote: »

In the applicants we have been interviewing we are seeing a real lack in quality of candidates.

For someone not in the sec area of IT, I would find it very useful to get an idea of other people's route to sec in terms of prior roles/qualifications/certs as well as what your current role entails. A seperate thread may suffice.

syklops wrote: »

I would suggest some ground rules though. Often these jobs come with referral bonuses. If there is one, maybe we should develop an etiquette? I'm open to thoughts.

There should probably be disclosure that a referral bonus exists.

timmywex

syklops wrote: »

Now that we have our "stuff that doesnt need its own thread" thread, I have noticed the forum seems a lot tidier and less chaotic. How would everyone feel about a dedicated jobs thread? I know my employer is desperate for people with the right skills and at least one other person who frequents this thread is looking for people(I know because I got a phone call from a recruiter asking would I be interested in moving to them).

In the applicants we have been interviewing we are seeing a real lack in quality of candidates. One would hope that anyone who frequents this board has some of the right skills and mind set. A recent candidate when asked where he got his security news from said "Motorola". If they had said "The boards InfoSec forum", they would have passed that particular question.

I won't post any jobs now until other boardsies weigh in and agree to the conecpt.

I would suggest some ground rules though. Often these jobs come with referral bonuses. If there is one, maybe we should develop an etiquette? I'm open to thoughts.

Great idea - seems like everyone in InfoSec in Ireland is constantly trying to recruit and struggling to do so often!

syklops

For someone not in the sec area of IT, I would find it very useful to get an idea of other people's route to sec in terms of prior roles/qualifications/certs as well as what your current role entails. A seperate thread may suffice.

I hope other infosec profesionals who frequent this board won't mind if I say infosec is not rocket science and the requirements for moving into security roles are not as advanced as one may think. InfoSec people are often described as being IT ninjas and for many that is the case, but for us and this has been the case anywhere else I worked when we were looking for sec people, all we really wanted was someone with a good grounding in IT principles and a genuine interest or passion for security. Any competent Sys Admin should easily get into security as all/most of the skills are transferrable. A sys admin will already be experienced in doing vulnerability assessments, patch management, system hardening, and scripting which comes in handy, and firewalling on a systems level. Likewise a competent network engineer will be familiar with network principles, CLI-access to network devices, configuration changes etc. and hardware-based firewalls as well. I've worked with firewall specialists who didnt consider themselves security people.

My route to where I am now started in tech support, removing viruses, configuring consumer firewalls and troubleshooting. From there I became a Linux Sys Admin, from there IT Security Specialist doing vulnerability assessments, Sys Admin'ing the security infrastructure, patch management Incident Handling and software developement(scripting) etc, then to InfoSec Analyst for Red Hat, again all the same duties, to here where I do Pen Testing, Incident Handling, Sys admin of Security infrastructure and SIM deployment(which is Linux-based). For large parts of my job a Linux Power user with a passion for security would be ideal.

We are looking for everything from low-level SOC analysts to Senior Security consultants, firewall and load balancer specialists. If you have the core skills, we can teach you or train you on the rest. Most other security positions in Ireland on the same. Its amazing the number of people we interview who are fuzzy on the OSI model. Don't get public key cryptography and freak out when asked about the Linux shell. I am not exaggerating here.

Reading back, this post is may be not suited to this thread. For a career in IT, the number one thing you need is an interest in IT, because to be good you will need to spend some of your spare time reading and upskilling. The same is true for a career in IT Security. If you have the interest and the curiosity, you can break into the area very easily.

A question I like to ask candidates is "Tell me about your network at home". If they have a genuine interest they will have a couple of systems knocking around. My current home network is pretty pathetic because half my gear is still in the Czech Republic, but I still have a shell server, a media server and 2 linux-based laptops(3 if you count my work laptop).

syklops

So Im going to wait for at least a mod to weigh in and maybe a couple of other regular posters and then if everyone is ok I will post some details of positions we have open.

Manach

Good idea, although there might be included the tangential job type that covers data protection/privacy. Given the upcoming EU reform of the Data Protection directive, there will likely be a upswing of roles that involve data protection officers for medium to large enterprises.

moneymad

syklops wrote: »

Now that we have our "stuff that doesnt need its own thread" thread, I have noticed the forum seems a lot tidier and less chaotic. How would everyone feel about a dedicated jobs thread? I know my employer is desperate for people with the right skills and at least one other person who frequents this thread is looking for people(I know because I got a phone call from a recruiter asking would I be interested in moving to them).

In the applicants we have been interviewing we are seeing a real lack in quality of candidates. One would hope that anyone who frequents this board has some of the right skills and mind set. A recent candidate when asked where he got his security news from said "Motorola". If they had said "The boards InfoSec forum", they would have passed that particular question.

I won't post any jobs now until other boardsies weigh in and agree to the conecpt.

I would suggest some ground rules though. Often these jobs come with referral bonuses. If there is one, maybe we should develop an etiquette? I'm open to thoughts.

Aren't all those jobs just glorified sales people? Seen so many poxy security jobs offered lately.

syklops

moneymad wrote: »

Aren't all those jobs just glorified sales people? Seen so many poxy security jobs offered lately.

moneymad

syklops wrote: »

I'm serious.

syklops

moneymad wrote: »

I'm serious.

Ok... Can you elaborate?

harney

Kinet1c wrote: »

There should probably be disclosure that a referral bonus exists.

Why? And how do we know a company won't feel this is disclosing company sensitive information?

syklops

Ok so we are urgently looking for a firewall specialist, enterprise level experience with vendors such as Checkpoint, Cisco - Tuffin would be an advantage.

I don't have an official job spec yet, but if you are interested send your CV to me at acourt@integritysolutions.ie and feel free to PM me with any questions you may have.

moc moc a moc

moneymad wrote: »

Aren't all those jobs just glorified sales people?

wat

syklops wrote: »

In the applicants we have been interviewing we are seeing a real lack in quality of candidates.

Any chance the problem is how you're advertising? Anyone with a bit of cop on and some prior security experience is probably already working in the industry and on decent money. If you're advertising e.g. a junior position paying under €30k (or worse, not even specifying a salary) then naturally you're going to have to sift through a good few muppets and chancers.

syklops

moc moc a moc wrote: »

wat



Any chance the problem is how you're advertising? Anyone with a bit of cop on and some prior security experience is probably already working in the industry and on decent money. If you're advertising e.g. a junior position paying under €30k (or worse, not even specifying a salary) then naturally you're going to have to sift through a good few muppets and chancers.

You've hit the nail on the head there. Everyone decent is already taken and happy where they are and on decent money.

missyver

syklops wrote: »

You've hit the nail on the head there. Everyone decent is already taken and happy where they are and on decent money.

Any jobs outside of Ireland? Preferably in the midlands or west of Ireland

syklops

missyver wrote: »

Any jobs outside of Ireland? Preferably in the midlands or west of Ireland

Last I checked, the midlands and west of Ireland are in Ireland. Has there been some political upheaval in the last few hours?

There are some Pen Test positions in Waterford I've heard of.

missyver

Sorry - meant to say outside dublin

missyver

Just thinking outside Dublin, cork and Waterford - there seems to be no info sec jobs

timmywex

missyver wrote: »

Just thinking outside Dublin, cork and Waterford - there seems to be no info sec jobs

Have heard of some in Galway from time to time, and the pen testing roles Skylops mentioned above in Waterford.

Beyond that most companies large enough to require a full time info sec resource are based in the larger cities, as are the consultancies, so anything else is few and far between! They pop up now and again though so i'm sure if you keep an eye out you'll get lucky eventually!

missyver

Ok thank you. Where do you look for job vacancies? Would companies advertise the jobs on linkedin?

syklops

missyver wrote: »

Ok thank you. Where do you look for job vacancies? Would companies advertise the jobs on linkedin?

Google.

There are Pen Test opportunities in AFAIR in Sun Alliance in Waterford.

Edit: InfoSec is becoming now like IT was a few years ago. What IS area do you want? Threat Analysis, Threat Modelling, Incident Response etc?

moc moc a moc

missyver wrote: »

Just thinking outside Dublin, cork and Waterford - there seems to be no info sec jobs

Well, elsewhere there's not much info to sec. The vast majority of big IT companies are based in Dublin.

Limerick and Galway might also be worth a look.

syklops

moc moc a moc wrote: »

Well, elsewhere there's not much info to sec. The vast majority of big IT companies are based in Dublin.

Limerick and Galway might also be worth a look.

This is the problem. Only big IT companies 'require' InfoSec people. But every company has money. This needs to change.

AdNet

Cork, Limerick Galway - go to any page like google and 'google it'

No jobs in Kerry ...

syklops

AdNet wrote: »

Cork, Limerick Galway - go to any page like google and 'google it'

No jobs in Kerry ...

Alienvault is a SIEM, they have an office in Cork. Might be worth a look. VMware are in Cork as well, but they dont seem to have any security jobs.

zweton

AdNet wrote: »

Cork, Limerick Galway - go to any page like google and 'google it'

No jobs in Kerry ...

insightful!

dbit

Trend micro (Cork) have 19 open positions in the info sec sector , Ill gladly hand over CV's if anyone is interested . Same as stated by Syklops we are looking for anyone with good solid 5 years IT admin experience and a hunger for knowledge . Typically the roles they have on offer would be CSE ( Customer service engineer) and that role will pay between 40-50 DOE. They also have some CTS roles ( Customer technology Specialist) typically between 50-60k . These roles would be split into three , IM messaging , Cloud , Custom defense. You would pick one of the three and specialize in that roll. (We also operate a referral program)


Feel free to PM if you don't want public eyes watching.

dbit

syklops wrote: »

Alienvault is a SIEM, they have an office in Cork. Might be worth a look. VMware are in Cork as well, but they dont seem to have any security jobs.

VMware is a great place to Work in terms of training , they are not good for pay im afraid as they run a back to work scheme , I often found myself training ex makeup artists, plasterers , carpenters you name it . Must have gotten around 20 certificates while working there . They are very big on education .

dbit

Currently i have ex employers reaching out to me from these cork based firms :-
Alienvault, Malwarebutes(recently setup from some ex Trend employees), Simplivity and Esentire ( All are offering massive salaries to the right candidates)

INPUT INNPUT

Theirs a new crowd with some sh1t name (letters and numbers) opened in the west, I saw them on RTE a few months back, can't find it.

The proper Malwarebytes are in Cork aswell. That butes^^ name is sh1t aswell.

INPUT INNPUT

Jaysus, I found it, http://www.merrionstreet.ie/en/allaboutjobs/Jobs_Announcements/

Back in March,

Company that provides identity and data risk services is making Galway their European headquarters. Jobs to be created over 5 years.

May be worth a look. http://www.idt911.com/ (see, crap name.)

Theirs a few possible places in that merrion link worth trying.

syklops

INPUT INNPUT wrote: »

Jaysus, I found it, http://www.merrionstreet.ie/en/allaboutjobs/Jobs_Announcements/

Back in March,

May be worth a look. http://www.idt911.com/ (see, crap name.)

Theirs a few possible places in that merrion link worth trying.

"Fraud, Credit and Reputation Monitoring"

Doesn't the Viper do much the same thing?

Is this really an infosec company?

zweton

INPUT INNPUT wrote: »

Jaysus, I found it, http://www.merrionstreet.ie/en/allaboutjobs/Jobs_Announcements/

Back in March,

May be worth a look. http://www.idt911.com/ (see, crap name.)

Theirs a few possible places in that merrion link worth trying.

havn't seen one job advertised for galway yet.

syklops

zweton wrote: »

havn't seen one job advertised for galway yet.

Did you try Oracle?

zweton

syklops wrote: »

Did you try Oracle?

sorry meant idt911

Kur4mA

FireEye in Dublin have a few positions open at the minute. Several Event Analyst roles and some others.

dbit

I believe Fire Eye will be at this in cork :-
http://www.jobsexpo.ie/

Not Confirmed ,......

pah

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/technology/canadian-tech-firm-esentire-to-create-100-jobs-in-cork-1.2227543

KaliKing

The company I work for are looking for Security Engineers in Dublin. PM Me if interested!

SSeanSS

Are there any entry level jobs in Security? All of the positions I can see are looking for a few years experience. Have degree in computer science and another year left in MSc in Networking and Security. Doesn't seem to be anything in the way of graduate jobs in the sector.

DipStick McSwindler

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phuzzydunlop

HP Galway are hiring CyberSec people currently.

dbit

Amazon and MS have maahoosive DC's in dublin any jobs up there ?? dont fancy the Dublin's cost of living much nor the traffic. We still have a few 50k CSE roles open here in Cork For Trend Micro.