The 'Critque My Form' Thread

RidleyRider

I'd say this will come in handy for some people out there and leaves it all in one place. Might encourage people not to be shy about looking for advice/criticism.

Let's keep it civil:pac:

I'll get the ball rolling anyway- I'm trying to make a transition from conventional to sumo stance DL. Anyone got any pointers?

http://youtu.be/s0-2Gm5heR4

Edit: Apologies about just a side view- my phone ate the front view.

thegreatiam

good idea, if it doesnt get swamped. but your video is private

RidleyRider

thegreatiam wrote: »

good idea, if it doesnt get swamped. but your video is private

Oops, what about now?

thegreatiam

I can view it now. Cant comment on form but I can comment on the video. The only suggestion I would make is if possible can you post a vid from a different angle as we cant see your ankle and foot position from the ground.

If the forum is to be useful then you might want to implement some guidelines for posting.

IE,

• Videos should also include a 3/4 angle if possible as well as side/front on, and be full length so no part of your body is blocked
• make sure no equipment, or other gym goers are blocking the video. keep background distraction to a minimum
• posters should post a max weight single first in the video, if there are other types of lift, (3x3, 5x5 etc. then they should be after the max weight single and titled) so viewers can get to the meat.
• if there is loud noise, music etc then warn a brother so we can mute in advance
• try to limit videos to one of the major barbel lifts. Im sure noone wants to be watching 100's of cable fly videos

edit: saw your edit, naughty phone

Mellor

RidleyRider wrote: »

I'll get the ball rolling anyway- I'm trying to make a transition from conventional to sumo stance DL. Anyone got any pointers?

http://youtu.be/s0-2Gm5heR4

I've no real experience of sumo pulls. So can't coment on the lift itself, but the part that stood out for me was your form breaking down as you lowered the weight.

Mellor

thegreatiam wrote: »

[*]posters should post a max weight single first in the video, if there are other types of lift, (3x3, 5x5 etc. then they should be after the max weight single and titled) so viewers can get to the meat.

I'd disagree that it should be a max single. 3 and 5 reps are just as useful for assessing for. Plus form will often be less than perfect for max lifts.

thegreatiam

Mellor wrote: »

I'd disagree that it should be a max single. 3 and 5 reps are just as useful for assessing for. Plus form will often be less than perfect for max lifts.

just a suggestion based on the fact that form is more likely to break down during a max, or close to max lift or at the end of a set where fatigue sets in.

rather than watch a video of a long set waiting for fatigue to set in better watch a 1 or 2 rep set.

just thinking from the viewers perspective trying to avoid long "here's my 50 squat challenge, hows my form on rep 27?" videos

people can post those types of video, no worries. just stick a short one in first so anyone can get to the points without watching a long vid unless they need to

Mellor

thegreatiam wrote: »

just a suggestion based on the fact that form is more likely to break down during a max, or close to max lift or at the end of a set where fatigue sets in.

Exactly.
The point is to critique their normal set-up, form, depth.

rather than watch a video of a long set waiting for fatigue to set in better watch a 1 or 2 rep set.

You don't need to wait for fatigue to set in to asses form. In fact, it would be better without fatigue at all.
A good tool for assessment would be 5 near identical reps.

BrianD3

I think you might be setting up too close to the bar judging by the way your shins seem to be pushing it away from you. I'm no good at analysing form (even my own) but I do know that when I setup my shins are approx. 3.5 inches from the bar. Works for me but then maybe for different leg and arm length etc. the distance to the bar should be different.

Mellor

BrianD3 wrote: »

I setup my shins are approx. 3.5 inches from the bar.

Out of curiosity, for sumo's only, or all DLs?

I wouldn't mind look at one of your deadlift set up.

BrianD3

I think these pics are sufficiently anonymous for me to post them on the internet. There is definite separation between shins and bar at both stages. The bar started to bend/move about half a second after the 2nd screenshot and it did move closer to my shins then. I think from comparing to the OPs video my immediate pre lift position is considerably more upright than his. This was a successful 1 RM attempt. Note gripping the bar on the smooth part (Okie Power bar)

Hanley

When commenting on this thread everyone is going to need to be careful not to think "my lifts looks like this, so his should too"

Alf Veedersane

Hanley wrote: »

When commenting on this thread everyone is going to need to be careful not to think "my lifts looks like this, so his should too"

You probably just saved me from tearing the arse out of my jeans deadlifting

thegreatiam

Mellor wrote: »

Exactly.
The point is to critique their normal set-up, form, depth.


You don't need to wait for fatigue to set in to asses form. In fact, it would be better without fatigue at all.
A good tool for assessment would be 5 near identical reps.

and almost anyone can hold perfect form during minimum weight/effort exercises, only to have their weakness collapse their form during any higher output.

kind of pointless assessing form in a situation where there will be no breakdown of form.
for example squating a light weight is easy for me to hold good structure. as soon as I get close to my maximum my upper back weakens and I fall forward putting more pressure on my lower back hips come up faster and it turns into a good morning. my weak back wouldn't show up with a light rep but on a heavy rep you can clearly see my shoulders and thoracic need work. I could post a perfect form rep at 30kgs but it wouldn't be helping me fix my problems.

Blacktie.

thegreatiam wrote: »

and almost anyone can hold perfect form during minimum weight/effort exercises, only to have their weakness collapse their form during any higher output.

kind of pointless assessing form in a situation where there will be no breakdown of form.
for example squating a light weight is easy for me to hold good structure. as soon as I get close to my maximum my upper back weakens and I fall forward putting more pressure on my lower back hips come up faster and it turns into a good morning. my weak back wouldn't show up with a light rep but on a heavy rep you can clearly see my shoulders and thoracic need work. I could post a perfect form rep at 30kgs but it wouldn't be helping me fix my problems.

Why does it have to be either a 1RM or basically bodyweight squat? 5RM or 3RM is a good range for form checks I reckon.

Alf Veedersane

It's become the 'Critique The Rules' thread.

MD1990

Form should be checked under 5RM imo. Not weight u find light.

thegreatiam

Blacktie. wrote: »

Why does it have to be either a 1RM or basically bodyweight squat? 5RM or 3RM is a good range for form checks I reckon.

doesn't "have" to be anything, 5 or 3 reps is also fine as the weight is sufficient and the video will be short enough. but posting a video of a light weight you can easily do is a waste of your own time as it isn't going to show any weakness in the lift. posting a video of lengthy sets with lots of reps is a waste of the viewers time as most problems can be seen within a few heavy reps. and if people do wish to show a long set they should label it so the viewer knows before they click.

they are merely suggestions, if you guys are happy watching videos of people banging out long sets of easy weights then who am I to steer you off your course.

gollywog

Hey guys,

I was squatting yesterday and my friend got one on video.

It was a bad rep, felt horrible.
I attempted 145kg the next lift which felt a lot more stable and felt far easier. Unfortunately I didn't get that one recorded.

Any tips or advice would be great, bearing in mind I have only started back squatting a few months ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIwj3SgyDB8

Cheers!

Hanley

Elbow position is awful. It's causing you to get kicked forward on the way up. I'm amazed you're able to actually complete the rep
With that tekkers!!

Elbows should be under the bar and chest tighter.