Does GAA value Camogie?

GFish

Yesterday Sept 14, I visited GAA.ie to find out what Camogie fixtures were on. It's easy to find men's football and hurling fixtures and results whether Championship, League or Club; Minor, Under 21, Intermediate, Senior.

Nowhere on GAA.ie could I find even a mention of Camogie not even on the day that the final was played in Croke Park.

I tried the "Search GAA.ie" function to search for camogie - nothing.
I could't even find a link to or a mention of Camogie.ie.

Maybe all this stuff is there and I'm blind, or maybe the GAA is a misogynist organisation.

ciarriaithuaidh

GFish wrote: »

Yesterday Sept 14, I visited GAA.ie to find out what Camogie fixtures were on. It's easy to find men's football and hurling fixtures and results whether Championship, League or Club; Minor, Under 21, Intermediate, Senior.

Nowhere on GAA.ie could I find even a mention of Camogie not even on the day that the final was played in Croke Park.

I tried the "Search GAA.ie" function to search for camogie - nothing.
I could't even find a link to or a mention of Camogie.ie.

Maybe all this stuff is there and I'm blind, or maybe the GAA is a misogynist organisation.

http://www.camogie.ie/..FYI.

Camogie association are separate from GAA for now and that is at their own request.

Clareman

GFish wrote: »

Yesterday Sept 14, I visited GAA.ie to find out what Camogie fixtures were on. It's easy to find men's football and hurling fixtures and results whether Championship, League or Club; Minor, Under 21, Intermediate, Senior.

Nowhere on GAA.ie could I find even a mention of Camogie not even on the day that the final was played in Croke Park.

I tried the "Search GAA.ie" function to search for camogie - nothing.
I could't even find a link to or a mention of Camogie.ie.

Maybe all this stuff is there and I'm blind, or maybe the GAA is a misogynist organisation.

Technically it's a different organisation with close ties to the GAA.

I found the link here http://www.gaa.ie/about-the-gaa/our-games/camogie/

BKWDR

Same as Ladies Gaa too. AFAIK

Boom__Boom

BKWDR wrote: »

Same as Ladies Gaa too. AFAIK

I've heard that the Ladies Football aren't as strongly opposed to the idea of coming more under the GAA banner but that there are some in the upper levels of the camogie organisation who are very strongly opposed to the notion of linking up more with the GAA.

iDave

Are there plans in place to merge them all?

Edit: ok seems not, thanks Boom Boom

Boom__Boom

iDave wrote: »

Are there plans in place to merge them all?

Edit: ok seems not, thanks Boom Boom

There are plans in the longer term from what I've heard, but is seems like things have been moving fairly slowly - it was in conversation with someone who was involved in the whole process on the GAA side and it was a few years back now.

The key thing I remember was that the higher-ups in the camogie organisation were a lot less keen than those in the ladies football.

It's one of those things that is a no-brainer for me and would make stuff like insurance for players cheaper [because of the numbers insurance for ladies is more expense] and stuff like access to pitches much fairer.

I'm not sure of the current up-to-date situation.

BKWDR

I could be wrong but my understanding was that there is a large number of the MEMBERS of ladies GAA that aren't too keen on the merge with the GAA although you are correct that the senior echelons do want to tag on.
Some members (of ladies gaa) feel that they will get a fair roll of the dice once thrown into the big machine with regards funding / pitch allocation / telly rights etc etc

nice_guy80

Some Camogie people can be very hard to deal with.
they nearly go out of their way to do things differently than the main GAA body

In saying that, Camogie isn't often given the same standing in a club and county as the men's teams, which is a joke.

Aubrey loves Joe

Despite Rte driving down our throat that the Camogie final was on Yesterday. Nobody I know cared and either did I. To be honest if the game was in my town I still wouldn't care or bother to go.

ANXIOUS

Aubrey loves Joe wrote: »

Despite Rte driving down our throat that the Camogie final was on Yesterday. Nobody I know cared and either did I. To be honest if the game was in my town I still wouldn't care or bother to go.

Neither would I, I'm always surprised at the low skill level compared to their male counterparts.

Dirty Dingus McGee

The Camogie association clearly don't value it all that highly as for some reason they sell the broadcast rights to RTE who in turn only show the final each year.At least TG4 give ladies football good coverage and there are matches on fairly often throughout the year.You'd wonder why the camogie association allow this to happen.

Why is camogie called camogie instead of ladies hurling?

rebel girl 15

Boom__Boom wrote: »

There are plans in the longer term from what I've heard, but is seems like things have been moving fairly slowly - it was in conversation with someone who was involved in the whole process on the GAA side and it was a few years back now.

The key thing I remember was that the higher-ups in the camogie organisation were a lot less keen than those in the ladies football.

It's one of those things that is a no-brainer for me and would make stuff like insurance for players cheaper [because of the numbers insurance for ladies is more expense] and stuff like access to pitches much fairer.

I'm not sure of the current up-to-date situation.

Its the opposite from what I know - and I've been involved with both sides. The ladies football don't want to go under the GAA as certain people would have less job titles that they currently have.

The ladies football don't have insurance, they pay into an injury fund scheme, but the €53 for adults is broken down with money going to county boards, provincial and central council for their running. I'd be highly critical of some of the spending by the LGFA, and I know that the relationship between certain people at the head of the GAA and ladies is very poor. I think the ladies resented how it was brought about by the GAA and felt they were railroaded into talks rather than invited.

BKWDR wrote: »

I could be wrong but my understanding was that there is a large number of the MEMBERS of ladies GAA that aren't too keen on the merge with the GAA although you are correct that the senior echelons do want to tag on.
Some members (of ladies gaa) feel that they will get a fair roll of the dice once thrown into the big machine with regards funding / pitch allocation / telly rights etc etc

Ulster have pulled together to work promoting ladies football, the camogie had the under 21 hurling in with them but that changed. The ladies have a bigger organisation than the camogie, and securing TG4 as the title championship sponsor, Tesco as the club championship sponsor, Cork ladies having SuperValue on board as their sponsor, Dublin ladies football and camogie benefiting from the AIG sponsorship. Pitches will always be an issue and tbh before they spend millions integrating all of them, they need to examine how successful the integration of the one club model has been - build it from the ground up rather than top down first.

I don't see the organisations coming together in Ireland, but I think it would be closer to happening as a test case in Britain first. Much harder for it to work in Ireland with the politics involved

rebel girl 15

The camogie are much closer to the GAA than the ladies football, sharing the title sponsor for their championship is the prime example of this. The higher up bodies have a much closer relationship than with the LGFA, due to a conflict of personalities. There badly needs to be changes at the top of the ladies football - its reaching saturation point and will need to change to increase the numbers playing. Camogie have a far greater range for growth if marketed properly - the politics involved in both are bloody ridiculous!

mickmackey1

Aubrey loves Joe wrote: »

Despite Rte driving down our throat that the Camogie final was on Yesterday. Nobody I know cared and either did I. To be honest if the game was in my town I still wouldn't care or bother to go.

ANXIOUS wrote: »

Neither would I, I'm always surprised at the low skill level compared to their male counterparts.

Some women's sports seem to catch on, some don't. Tennis and athletics seem to be at virtually the same level as the mens, but the likes of golf, soccer etc have nowhere near the same profile.

And obviously the same for football and camogie in our context.
Don't really know why that is the case.

GFish

Aubrey loves Joe wrote: »

Despite Rte driving down our throat that the Camogie final was on Yesterday. Nobody I know cared and either did I. To be honest if the game was in my town I still wouldn't care or bother to go.

ANXIOUS wrote: »

Neither would I, I'm always surprised at the low skill level compared to their male counterparts.

Nastily negative much lads?

Watch what you want to watch but there's no need to be an a**hole about games you don't want to watch - go play golf or Ludo or whatever floats your misogynistic boats.

ANXIOUS

GFish wrote: »

Nastily negative much lads?

Watch what you want to watch but there's no need to be an a**hole about games you don't want to watch - go play golf or Ludo or whatever floats your misogynistic boats.

I don't think it was overly negative, I made in my opinion a valid point. No need to be insulting.

Aubrey loves Joe

Why should we go play ludo. It is sexist now not to like some women's sport. Pathetic that people can't speak their minds

ahnowbrowncow

GFish wrote: »

Nastily negative much lads?

Watch what you want to watch but there's no need to be an a**hole about games you don't want to watch - go play golf or Ludo or whatever floats your misogynistic boats.

Misogynistic? Haha, what a load of hyperbolic crap.

GFish

ANXIOUS wrote: »

I don't think it was overly negative, I made in my opinion a valid point. No need to be insulting.

Fair enough, maybe it wasn't "overly" negative.

I too made, in my opinion, a valid point.
I also agree - there is no need to be insulting - even about games you don't like or value.

nice_guy80

I don't like that you can drop the hurley.
And that goals can be scoring as a handpass.

having those two rules dumbs down the game.
I've actually seen camogie coaches with under 10s practicing handpassing the ball into a net.

robbiezero

Is it only at inter-county that there is this divide between the Ladies GAA and Men's?
From what I have seen at club level, the ladies teams come under the same umbrella of club officers as all the mens teams.

Vunderground

Why don't the GAA just have Women's Hurling?
I don't see why that might not work better.

Genuine question...

munchkin_utd

robbiezero wrote: »

Is it only at inter-county that there is this divide between the Ladies GAA and Men's?
From what I have seen at club level, the ladies teams come under the same umbrella of club officers as all the mens teams.

Nope. Ladies Football and Camogie are completely different organisations which are self financing and organising.
At your club level you might dovetail the mens and ladies team organisation, but even for registrations the ladies and camogie are separate, and GAA separate again
Meaning a lady who plays football and camogie (edit, even for a club) needs to be registered twice to play as a ladies football and camogie association member, and a third time if they also want to be also a member of the GAA proper!

bren2001

Ultimately, the GAA only have ties with Camogie, thus don't influence the game. The camogie circles are extremely political and I have found this to hamper the game. Specifically, Dublin underage camogie is where I have seen this.

I have no issue watching womens sport. I watch womens tennis, would only ever watch womens curling and gymnastics (not that I'd watch that on a regular basis). However, I have a few gripes with camogie.

1. People often say camogie is not as skilful as hurling. Complete nonsense, there is no reason the woman cannot do the same tricks and flicks as men. Anyone who watched the final on Sunday would see, the game is quite skilful. However, the game is not as fast. I do not get why they don't play on a smaller pitch. The amount of times I watched ladies football and camogie where they have struggled to get out of their own half is ridiculous. Make the pitch smaller and the game speeds up.

2. The promotion of womens sport is atrocious. The promotion of womens sport stars, notable exceptions Katie Taylor, Sonia in her day etc. I don't get why RTE are not forced to have a female footballer and hurler on their panel for the mens games. There are no role models for young girls. I grew up longing to emulate Dessie Farrell or DJ Carey. Girls don't have these role models.

3. Why in Gods name do they play the final in Croke Park. I understand, for the girls in question, it is a massive deal for them. I'm sorry, but if you want the sport to grow, you have to make sacrifices. I've been to a few Camogie finals and there is literally zero atmosphere. Its even worse on Telly and does nothing to promote people to go. Move it to a smaller stadium and try and create and atmosphere. Put in singing sections, give people drums etc. Look at how other sports artificially create an atmosphere.

robbiezero

I have noticed with ladies football, particularly this year, that the top teams now play a similar defensive style to the men's teams, getting big numbers back in defence when they lose the ball.
I found both of the ladies football semi-finals to be quite disappointing to watch due to this.

Dirty Dingus McGee

robbiezero wrote: »

I have noticed with ladies football, particularly this year, that the top teams now play a similar defensive style to the men's teams, getting big numbers back in defence when they lose the ball.
I found both of the ladies football semi-finals to be quite disappointing to watch due to this.

How dare they try and defend properly.

Rightwing

mickmackey1 wrote: »

Some women's sports seem to catch on, some don't. Tennis and athletics seem to be at virtually the same level as the mens, but the likes of golf, soccer etc have nowhere near the same profile.

And obviously the same for football and camogie in our context.
Don't really know why that is the case.

I suppose after watching the Williams sisters dominate for far too long I'd be inclined to agree.

robbiezero

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

How dare they try and defend properly.

It made for a poor spectacle. Two bad games to watch.

CrabRevolution

With the exception of when the womens national rugby team does well, Camogie and Ladies football are by a long shot the most visible and promoted sports for women in Ireland. Big games always have the results mentioned in sport news, TG4 show bucket loads of ladies football at all levels, there's also often camogie highlights sections on the sunday game.

In comparison I've never heard a thing said about matches in our womens soccer league, I couldnt even tell you who the champions are. Same with domestic womens rugby, we all hear about it for a few weeks if the national team does well, but aside from that there's no coverage or info out there.

DunedinOg

A good point. While there is room for improvement I would think the exposure ladies GAA gets in Ireland is far in excess to what other women's sport get in Ireland or, for the most part, other women's sports around the world, tennis being a notable exception. Ladies soccer gets little or no coverage in Britain for example and I think there's a professional league there. Ladies rugby is similar in Britain and even hockey has nothing approaching the level of coverage ladies GAA gets in Ireland afaik.

Not sure why Camogie and ladies football haven't agreed to join the GAA yet, the GAA wants them in so the reason they are not lies with the ladies associations.

rebel girl 15

robbiezero wrote: »

I have noticed with ladies football, particularly this year, that the top teams now play a similar defensive style to the men's teams, getting big numbers back in defence when they lose the ball.
I found both of the ladies football semi-finals to be quite disappointing to watch due to this.

This was being done by Cork long before the likes of Donegal were doing it. It's the other way round there,

rebel girl 15

bren2001 wrote: »

Ultimately, the GAA only have ties with Camogie, thus don't influence the game. The camogie circles are extremely political and I have found this to hamper the game. Specifically, Dublin underage camogie is where I have seen this.

I have no issue watching womens sport. I watch womens tennis, would only ever watch womens curling and gymnastics (not that I'd watch that on a regular basis). However, I have a few gripes with camogie.

1. People often say camogie is not as skilful as hurling. Complete nonsense, there is no reason the woman cannot do the same tricks and flicks as men. Anyone who watched the final on Sunday would see, the game is quite skilful. However, the game is not as fast. I do not get why they don't play on a smaller pitch. The amount of times I watched ladies football and camogie where they have struggled to get out of their own half is ridiculous. Make the pitch smaller and the game speeds up.

2. The promotion of womens sport is atrocious. The promotion of womens sport stars, notable exceptions Katie Taylor, Sonia in her day etc. I don't get why RTE are not forced to have a female footballer and hurler on their panel for the mens games. There are no role models for young girls. I grew up longing to emulate Dessie Farrell or DJ Carey. Girls don't have these role models.

3. Why in Gods name do they play the final in Croke Park. I understand, for the girls in question, it is a massive deal for them. I'm sorry, but if you want the sport to grow, you have to make sacrifices. I've been to a few Camogie finals and there is literally zero atmosphere. Its even worse on Telly and does nothing to promote people to go. Move it to a smaller stadium and try and create and atmosphere. Put in singing sections, give people drums etc. Look at how other sports artificially create an atmosphere.

I was shocked at the attendance of the camogie, around 12 thousand. Ladies football had 28K last year and should definitely have more given that Dublin are in the final this year

AG123

The ladies GAA are not against joining the GAA and the idea was discussed at congress, with a number of counties sending in motions to do so. There is a lot more publicity for LGFA compared to a few years ago and it's great to see. Attendance at the camogie and ladies football finals are very low alright. It's disappointing!

BKWDR

Mandygav wrote: »

Attendance at the camogie and ladies football finals are very low alright. It's disappointing!

I often thought if they changed their league and championship timetable to try and piggy back on to some of the mens league provincial games (semi finals etc) to get a bit more of a crowd to watch / catch on.

I accept anyones dream is to play in Croke Park but it really is lost on a crowd that small and looks shocking on telly

LeinsterDub

bren2001 wrote: »

3. Why in Gods name do they play the final in Croke Park. I understand, for the girls in question, it is a massive deal for them. I'm sorry, but if you want the sport to grow, you have to make sacrifices. I've been to a few Camogie finals and there is literally zero atmosphere. Its even worse on Telly and does nothing to promote people to go. Move it to a smaller stadium and try and create and atmosphere. Put in singing sections, give people drums etc. Look at how other sports artificially create an atmosphere.

Artificial atmosphere, shudder. Also didn't work for the league of Ireland.

GFish

ciarriaithuaidh wrote: »

Camogie association are separate from GAA for now and that is at their own request.

Maybe so, but that's politics, not sport. Camogie is still a "gaelic game" as I understand the term.

As a Gaelic Games fan, I don't give a hoot about the politics but I expected to find basic info about all Gaelic Games being played in Croke Park - a hevily taxpayer funded statium - on the GAA website. Even if it's only a link to camogie.ie

I still can't see any reason why they wouldn't at least mention an All-Ireland Gaelic Games Final being played in Croke Park, the home of Gaelic Games.

I doubt very much that it was because the Camogie Association objected to Camogie being mentioned on GAA.ie, but I stand to be corrected - Politics truly is tricky stuff.

It's too late to check now but I wonder if Garth Brooks merited a mention on GAA.ie

bren2001

GFish wrote: »

Maybe so, but that's politics, not sport. Camogie is still a "gaelic game" as I understand the term.

As a Gaelic Games fan, I don't give a hoot about the politics but I expected to find basic info about all Gaelic Games being played in Croke Park - a hevily taxpayer funded statium - on the GAA website. Even if it's only a link to camogie.ie

I still can't see any reason why they wouldn't at least mention an All-Ireland Gaelic Games Final being played in Croke Park, the home of Gaelic Games.

I doubt very much that it was because the Camogie Association objected to Camogie being mentioned on GAA.ie, but I stand to be corrected - Politics truly is tricky stuff.

It's too late to check now but I wonder if Garth Brooks merited a mention on GAA.ie

But the GAA website is only for sports run by the GAA. Camogie is not part of the GAA and thus does not warrant a mention on the GAA website. No, Garth Brooks was never mentioned on gaa.ie. However, information on both the camogie final and Garth Brooks was available on the official Croke Park website.

GFish

GFish wrote: »

Maybe so, but that's politics, not sport. Camogie is still a "gaelic game" as I understand the term.

As a Gaelic Games fan, I don't give a hoot about the politics but I expected to find basic info about all Gaelic Games being played in Croke Park - a hevily taxpayer funded statium - on the GAA website. Even if it's only a link to camogie.ie

I still can't see any reason why they wouldn't at least mention an All-Ireland Gaelic Games Final being played in Croke Park, the home of Gaelic Games.

I doubt very much that it was because the Camogie Association objected to Camogie being mentioned on GAA.ie, but I stand to be corrected - Politics truly is tricky stuff.

It's too late to check now but I wonder if Garth Brooks merited a mention on GAA.ie

Without wanting to be smart, did you actually even check GAA.ie before deciding they hadn't covered the games?

I found a preview here: http://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/daily-news/1/1209141309-liberty-insurance-camogie-finals-previews/

And reports from all three finals. Here's the senior one: http://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/daily-news/1/1409142026-cork-win-all-ireland-senior-camogie-final/

In fact, they usually cover Camogie and Ladies Football despite the fact that they are not under their umbrella.

GFish

Deleted User wrote: »

Without wanting to be smart, did you actually even check GAA.ie before deciding they hadn't covered the games?

I found a preview here: http://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/daily-news/1/1209141309-liberty-insurance-camogie-finals-previews/

Good find, but without wanting to be smart, did you actually even read the first post in this thread?

As a fan, I was expecting to find listings of Gaelic games in the "Fixtures and Results" section of GAA.ie - http://www.gaa.ie/fixtures-and-results/

Even now, camogie is not even mentioned and Search GAA.ie (link at the top of GAA.ie page) still finds no mention of Camogie - not even one result!

I might be a Philistine but I always thought Camogie was a Gaelic game. It looks a lot like hurling; the county strips are the same; the rules are almost identical; it's played on the same grounds - including Croke Park.

I hear the points about Camogie not being under the GAA umbrella but I still don't understand why the premier association in charge of Gaelic games in Ireland does not do anything at all to promote/promulgate the ladies Gaelic games. I can't believe it's because the Camogie association says "Hands off, don't you dare promote us".

Incidentally, if Camogie is a separate organisation from the GAA - just like Garth Brooks is - I presume Camogie.ie have to pay to use Croke Park.

Any GAA representative here who could explain how this works?

bruschi

GFish wrote: »

Good find, but without wanting to be smart, did you actually even read the first post in this thread?

As a fan, I was expecting to find listings of Gaelic games in the "Fixtures and Results" section of GAA.ie - http://www.gaa.ie/fixtures-and-results/

Even now, camogie is not even mentioned and Search GAA.ie (link at the top of GAA.ie page) still finds no mention of Camogie - not even one result!

I might be a Philistine but I always thought Camogie was a Gaelic game. It looks a lot like hurling; the county strips are the same; the rules are almost identical; it's played on the same grounds - including Croke Park.

I hear the points about Camogie not being under the GAA umbrella but I still don't understand why the premier association in charge of Gaelic games in Ireland does not do anything at all to promote/promulgate the ladies Gaelic games. I can't believe it's because the Camogie association says "Hands off, don't you dare promote us".

Incidentally, if Camogie is a separate organisation from the GAA - just like Garth Brooks is - I presume Camogie.ie have to pay to use Croke Park.

Any GAA representative here who could explain how this works?

why would the official gaa site have fixtures for camogie, when their own, separate organisation has their fixtures on their own website? why dont you direct your ire to the head people of the camogie/ladies GAA who want to be seperate boards and organisations. The GAA in its current set up has no obligation to be doing the work for a separate organisation.

I certainly did read your first post - in fact I read the entire thread.

In your first post, as well as mentioning the fixtures, you said the following: "Nowhere on GAA.ie could I find even a mention of Camogie not even on the day that the final was played in Croke Park."

That is simply not true. I was on the GAA's website that day as I am from Cork and the top item on the home page was the report from the game, and I know that because I read it. The next two items were the two other finals. Match reports, with pics, teams and and scorers etc. How you could have missed them is beyond me. I follow the GAA on Twitter too and they had regular updates on all the games - pics, latest scores etc.

Your main gripe seems to be that you couldn't find camogie fixtures on the fixtures page that day. I've had a quick look and you are right, they don't seem to carry them, but I wouldn't expect that to be honest. Camogie have their own website and seem to do their own thing.

As for the search bar, I also tried Kerry and it returned nothing so I think it's fair to say it's not working. I just posted two links from GAA.ie to the games you are talking about so I don't see your point anyway.

As for the rest of your comment, I wouldn't be qualified to answer that.

GFish

bruschi wrote: »

why would the official gaa site have fixtures for camogie, when their own, separate organisation has their fixtures on their own website? why dont you direct your ire to the head people of the camogie/ladies GAA who want to be seperate boards and organisations. The GAA in its current set up has no obligation to be doing the work for a separate organisation.

Um,
GAA is the Gaelic Athletic Association, I think.
GAA.ie is the website of the Gaelic Athletic Association, I think.
Camogie is a Gaelic game, I think.
Croke Park is the HQ of Gaelic games, I think.
Camogie finals are played in Croke Park.
GAA.ie provides info about Gaelic games, I thought.

Which bit should I explain again?

GAA.ie provides listings for every Gaelic games fixture and result for men's games from Minor to Senior and from Club to All Ireland - but not a single one for a game is which a lady plays.

I don't care about the politics - I'm just a Gaelic games fan - and I still doubt very much that the ladies' association prohibits GAA.ie from telling Gaelic games fans about fixtures involving ladies.

Deleted User wrote:

I was on the GAA's website that day as I am from Cork and the top item on the home page was the report from the game, and I know that because I read it. The next two items were the two other finals. Match reports, with pics, teams and and scorers etc. How you could have missed them is beyond me.

Yep, agreed - but those are after-the-game reports.

My problem is that GAA.ie does not help us Gaelic games fans to find out what Gaelic games are due to be played - even in Croke Park - unless there are men playing.

bruschi

GFish wrote: »

Um,
GAA is the Gaelic Athletic Association, I think.
GAA.ie is the website of the Gaelic Athletic Association, I think.
Camogie is a Gaelic game, I think.
Croke Park is the HQ of Gaelic games, I think.
Camogie finals are played in Croke Park.
GAA.ie provides info about Gaelic games, I thought.

Which bit should I explain again?

GAA.ie provides listings for every Gaelic games fixture and result for men's games from Minor to Senior and from Club to All Ireland - but not a single one for a game is which a lady plays.

I don't care about the politics - I'm just a Gaelic games fan - and I still doubt very much that the ladies' association prohibits GAA.ie from telling Gaelic games fans about fixtures involving ladies.



Yep, agreed - but those are after-the-game reports.

My problem is that GAA.ie does not help us Gaelic games fans to find out what Gaelic games are due to be played - even in Croke Park - unless there are men playing.

Explain the whole lot there again please, you've a great way of discussing things without sounding condescending.

If the Gaa had all the camogie on their site, then wouldn't that mean their own one would be redundant? And why do they have their own site? Maybe it's because they have their own separate organisation. Maybe your ire should be directed there.

GFish

bruschi wrote: »

Explain the whole lot there again please

Here you go:

Gfish wrote:

GAA.ie provides listings for every Gaelic games fixture and result for men's games from Minor to Senior and from Club to All Ireland - but not a single one for a game in which a lady plays.

I sent you the link to the previews too. It was published the Friday before the games and has all the info you could want.

Also, here's a promo for the ladies football finals, which is on their site right now: http://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/daily-news/1/2309141818-tg4-ladies-all-ireland-football-finals-launched/

Check back on Friday and I bet they will have previews for the games, just as they did before the camogie.

With all due respect, it sounds like you have an idea in your head and are not willing to change your mind no matter what evidence you are presented with.

GFish

Deleted User wrote: »

I sent you the link to the previews too. It was published the Friday before the games and has all the info you could want.

True, and thanks for that.

But with all due respect, that is a bit like saying that the RTE Times program schedule has all the programs on RTE except the ones that have women in them. Of course it does mention the women's ones but somewhere else in the magazine.

At the risk of repeating myself, I still don't understand why a Gaelic Games Association website would list every Gaelic game that includes men but none that includes a woman.

I'm still hoping that a GAA representative might explain this.

munchkin_utd

GFish wrote: »

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At the risk of repeating myself, I still don't understand why a Gaelic Games Association website would list every Gaelic game that includes men but none that includes a woman.
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was said earlier,
GAA (which runs mens hurling and football) is different from ladies football association which is different again from the camogie association.

and again, to illustrate the point, if you have a lady involved or just as a simple member of a GAA club and plays camogie and ladies football - then she'll need 3 (yes THREE) separate registrations and affiliation payments made on her behalf as all 3 organisations are separate.

so if the ladies and camogie are separate from each other, and both are separate from the GAA, theres no reason why the GAA would duplicate fixture info for which they have no responsibility for.

AugustusMinimus

GFish wrote: »

True, and thanks for that.

But with all due respect, that is a bit like saying that the RTE Times program schedule has all the programs on RTE except the ones that have women in them. Of course it does mention the women's ones but somewhere else in the magazine.

At the risk of repeating myself, I still don't understand why a Gaelic Games Association website would list every Gaelic game that includes men but none that includes a woman.

I'm still hoping that a GAA representative might explain this.

This isn't a very hard concept to grasp and it has been stated in this thread several times.

Both the Camoige and the LGFA Associations want to be separate from the GAA and until they want to merge with the GAA, they will still be separate organisations.

AugustusMinimus

Must say, I'm absolutely dismayed to see no mention being made of the All-Ireland reply on the Camoige website :rolleyes:

mickmackey1

GFish wrote: »

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You must be a blonde :pac: