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2014 Aer Lingus Cadet programme

  • 12-09-2014 5:19pm
    #1
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 10,005 Mod ✭✭✭✭


    As posted in last years thread this is now open:
    http://careers.aerlingus.com/careers-in-the-air/cadet-pilots/

    146 page thread on previous years can be found here:
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056273775
    Aer Lingus is excited to announce the launch of its 2014 Cadet Pilot Training Programme.
    This is an exceptional opportunity for individuals to train and qualify as a commercial pilot, and could be the starting point for a rewarding career with Aer Lingus.

    As a prospective Aer Lingus trainee pilot you should have a technical aptitude and display maturity, commitment, flexibility, motivation and a willingness to accept responsibility. Excellent communication, interpersonal, problem-solving and teamwork skills are essential qualities with a good appreciation of our customers' expectations.
    Working as part of a team on our modern aircraft can be challenging and physically demanding. For those who thrive on responsibility and embrace professionalism, this career is both rewarding and fulfilling.

    The Course
    The course is very intensive and involves a significant amount of additional study. Time off from the course is limited to set times during the programme. These will be outlined at a later stage in the recruitment process. The course is expected to begin January/February 2015.

    Training Location
    The training will take place at Flight Training Europe in Jerez, Spain.


    Training Costs
    The approximate cost of the initial training programme is €100,000. If you are successful in your application you will be required to fund approximately 25% of this training cost during the course. The payments are made directly to the Flight Training School on a phased basis over five instalments. The Flight Training School will provide further details at a later time.


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Comments

  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 10,005 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    To all who apply and put the effort in, best of luck to you. You will get advice here and elsewhere online. This advice may be blunt but don't be disheartened. The mods will do our best to keep all advice relevant and factual. This is a hard programme to get into so do your best.

    Just some quotes from the last 2 pages of the previous thread:
    basill wrote: »
    By all means apply to whatever scheme you choose since it will (for the most part) cost you nothing.

    From the thousands upon thousands that apply some sort of online testing will whittle down the numbers to a more manageable level and to be brutally honest get rid of the time wasters and no hopers.

    Of the few hundred that are called forward to the final stages you can safely assume that 90% will have done the following....

    - prepared a quality CV
    - brought a suit (you would be surprised what some people turn up in!!!!)
    - had a haircut and shave (see above)
    - know why they want to be a pilot and more importantly make sure that its a sensible reason backed up by a valid thought process
    - know the target airline inside out having done an exhaustive due diligence eg: CEO, fleet size and type, route structure, profitability
    - have read a number of interview books and be prepared to answer all the standard HR type questions eg: strengths/weaknesses, time of conflict etc etc.
    - practiced various numerical and literacy exams using online sources
    - trawled the interweb for any information that will be relevant in passing an airline interview
    - plus a whole lot more that will show the interviewer that there is something about this person that makes them stand out

    If hand on heart you cannot answer the above in the affirmative then I would be thinking of joining your buddies at Queens and enjoy a beer or two for three years. You never know you might learn something along the way and save yourself a trip to London or Dublin.

    owenc wrote: »
    I know. I will have to speak to a professional before applying. Research will come when the program opens......
    Scotty15 wrote: »
    I'm 17,currently in 6th year and my plan is to get a job with my father for 4 or 5 years when I'm finished school while living as cheap as possible and just saving for an Intergrated or Modular course,I will also apply for the cadetships that come up.
    My dream is to become a pilot and I have a plan.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,780 ✭✭✭Bsal


    Is the recruitment being handled by FTE or Aer Lingus this time? FTE have the online application through their website it seems, and this is new for this time around

    'If you reach the group assessment stage you will be required to pay Flight Training Europe (FTE) a professional assessment fee of approximately €240 . This payment is non-refundable. Should you reach the group assessment stage of the recruitment process are you willing to pay FTE the professional assessment fee of €240'


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23 cickybab


    How much do you have to pay is the most important question.

    It is very vague saying you have to be willing to pay some of it. That's grand to an extent.

    The average person could get a credit union loan for mabey €5,000 but if its any more than that amount, a lot of people who would be great for the job will really struggle money wise.

    Sounds great though

    Thanks for posting the news.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,780 ✭✭✭Bsal


    Is this the 'official' application form or will it be done on the Aer Lingus careers website?

    http://www.ftejerez.com/selection/aerlingus


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,780 ✭✭✭Bsal


    cickybab wrote: »
    How much do you have to pay is the most important question.

    It is very vague saying you have to be willing to pay some of it. That's grand to an extent.

    The average person could get a credit union loan for mabey €5,000 but if its any more than that amount, a lot of people who would be great for the job will really struggle money wise.

    Sounds great though

    Thanks for posting the news.

    You pay ~25% which is about €25,000 of the total cost in 5 equal installments directly to FTEJerez.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,812 ✭✭✭ProfessorPlum


    I suggest anyone who is interested read the careers page on the EI website. Many questions are answered here.

    http://careers.aerlingus.com/careers-in-the-air/cadet-pilots/

    I would also avoid lying on the application form - it will come back to haunt you.

    Good luck :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,812 ✭✭✭ProfessorPlum


    Bsal wrote: »
    Is the recruitment being handled by FTE or Aer Lingus this time? FTE have the online application through their website it seems, and this is new for this time around

    'If you reach the group assessment stage you will be required to pay Flight Training Europe (FTE) a professional assessment fee of approximately €240 . This payment is non-refundable. Should you reach the group assessment stage of the recruitment process are you willing to pay FTE the professional assessment fee of €240'

    I don't know what the logistics are going to be, but there isn't a snowball's chance in hell that EI would fully outsource recruitment of Cadets to a third party. The cadets will be chosen by EI, not FTE. I would imagine FTE will mostly handle the early stages (i.e. screening and aptitude tests) and admin side of things.


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 10,005 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    I don't know what the logistics are going to be, but there isn't a snowball's chance in hell that EI would fully outsource recruitment of Cadets to a third party. The cadets will be chosen by EI, not FTE. I would imagine FTE will mostly handle the early stages (i.e. screening and aptitude tests) and admin side of things.

    I concur. Easy to let 3rd party weed out the non-suitable candidates early on. Once it progress's EI will want to make the selection themselves.
    cickybab wrote: »
    How much do you have to pay is the most important question.....
    The average person could get a credit union loan for maybe €5,000 but if its any more than that amount, a lot of people who would be great for the job will really struggle money wise.....
    Website states 75% of the 100K cost is funded. Well becoming a commercial pilot has always been an expensive task. Cadetships are the golden ticket in the industry.
    I believe that last time finance was backed by EI who confirmed your acceptance into the course....no as if you just went to the bank off the street looking for 25K. Its still a big sum and one that you will be paying off for a few years will getting hours in EI.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5 prayer_in_c


    Hi all,

    I got to final stages of this process. Just fyi if same as last time:

    Cadet selection is done by EI. Stages include: initial application, online aptitude testing, group interview (approx 10 candidates per group with 5 senior H.R./Ops observing) + brief interview, followed by thorough interview by Ops and finally psychological interview.

    The aptitude testing is done by a contracted online provider and it is retested at assessment with EI.

    The whole process takes circa 4-6 months. They really want to get to know you as they will be investing a lot of money. It is professionally done and they are fair at assessment. I found they ask tough questions but in a way that allows you open up on what you know. I loved the random question they land in there that has nothing to do with aviation. They unwrap you like an onion to see your level of thinking. It is fascinating to watch them interview - they are good at it!

    Things which very much disappointed me and were highly unprofessional:
    1) They will not let you know in timely manner that you have been unsuccessful. Even asking them directly in a fair time frame they will not tell you. You are left hanging for months almost even though you see others flying off to Jerez already.
    2) Nepotism is still at play. Two members of one EI family obtaining a cadetship is impressive.
    3) I got feeling their thinking is a little old school. There was one line of questioning at interview which gave me this impression. You'd want to have your technical degree, if not a PhD., to really impress them.

    Overall, it's a great experience. Could be better run in certain respects but hey nobody's perfect...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5 prayer_in_c


    TheBoss11 wrote: »
    Do you know if a degree or any higer education would be stronger than the LC results? I didn't get the C in maths so hoping a degree would let me qualify?

    Your L.C. results are checked - don't lie about them.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,351 ✭✭✭basill


    Best not to lie about anything. And that includes but is not limited to your prior flying training and qualifications. As some have found out the hard way you will be found out. There is no place for liars in aviation and that is certainly the line that AL takes both during training and once on the line.

    Also some people fail to understand that essentially its an ab-initio programme. Whilst a minority have been successful in gaining entry with PPLs and the odd CPL it is not ALs desire to have their training provider undo all the bad habits developed and retrain cadets to standard.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 26,403 Mod ✭✭✭✭Peregrine


    Ensure that you can supply one copy of your:
    CV
    Educational certificates / qualifications
    Passport/Driving License
    Other documentation that you feel is relevant to verify you meet the essential criteria
    This will be required at the Assessment Centre Stage in Dublin.

    You'll have to show them your results anyway so I don't see why you would lie.

    Remember, they're asking for a C at ordinary level, not higher level.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,515 ✭✭✭Killinator


    Are they really going to charge €240 for the group assessment, they haven't the last couple of times.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,780 ✭✭✭Bsal


    Killinator wrote: »
    Are they really going to charge €240 for the group assessment, they haven't the last couple of times.

    Yeah they really are, it looks like FTE will be doing the aptitude testing this time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,472 ✭✭✭highlydebased


    Is the group selection the next stage after the application? What would the assessment centre consist Of?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,515 ✭✭✭Killinator


    Is the group selection the next stage after the application? What would the assessment centre consist Of?

    It has been the stage after the online assessment in the previous cadetship.

    It was usually Aer Lingus HR staff and senior Pilots who were involved, and it didn't consist of anything more expensive than some pencils and paper(bar being hosted in the Radisson at the airport).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86 ✭✭KnotABother


    Just reading pprune and talking to a few fATPLs there seems to be a lot of guys with 200+ hours and CPL/IRs getting to stage 2.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,039 ✭✭✭1123heavy


    I've done a foundation year in aerospace engineering and am now in dcu doing year 1 of an aviation degree, can anyone say whether there is even a remote chance of me succeeding due to me not having a degree ? I also heard from an EI pilot that they prefer people in their mid-20s, I'm 19. It seems bleak with so many other suitable guys but that's life I guess.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,144 ✭✭✭peter1892


    1123heavy wrote: »
    I've done a foundation year in aerospace engineering and am now in dcu doing year 1 of an aviation degree, can anyone say whether there is even a remote chance of me succeeding due to me not having a degree ? I also heard from an EI pilot that they prefer people in their mid-20s, I'm 19. It seems bleak with so many other suitable guys but that's life I guess.

    Apply anyway - don't worry about where you're at right now in terms of your education or about your age. Apply and if you get called for interviews etc the experience will be good for you regardless of the outcome. And you may even get the job! But, if you don't apply you won't get it so it is worth doing.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,648 ✭✭✭✭beauf


    1123heavy wrote: »
    I've done a foundation year in aerospace engineering and am now in dcu doing year 1 of an aviation degree, can anyone say whether there is even a remote chance of me succeeding due to me not having a degree ? I also heard from an EI pilot that they prefer people in their mid-20s, I'm 19. It seems bleak with so many other suitable guys but that's life I guess.

    Even if you don't get it, the experience will be very important you. You might have to try a good few times, getting further each time.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,039 ✭✭✭1123heavy


    Thanks for the encouragement guys, let the games begin !


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2 kieranlad


    I have asthma, will this be detrimental to my chances of success on the cadet programme? From what I've read, it's quite competitive and those with family connections are heavily favoured. It seems it would be easy to chop someone if they suspected they were prone to an asthma attack in flight? (I've never in my life had an asthma attack, just need a puff of an inhaler now and again!)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,472 ✭✭✭highlydebased


    kieranlad wrote: »
    it's quite competitive and those with family connections are heavily favoured.

    Really? :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4 EchoFoxtrot


    Got to love the baseless accusations of nepotism in the company... If anyone has any proof, please share it with us all. EI HR would be particularly interested in it too.

    But I suggest potential applicants drop the cynical attitude should they be that way disposed as it will get you nowhere in aviation and reeks of you making excuses for your own sense of entitlement.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86 ✭✭KnotABother


    Got to love the baseless accusations of nepotism in the company... If anyone has any proof, please share it with us all. EI HR would be particularly interested in it too.

    But I suggest potential applicants drop the cynical attitude should they be that way disposed as it will get you nowhere in aviation and reeks of you making excuses for your own sense of entitlement.

    Having a mother or father in any flag carrier is a leg up...everyone knows that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 759 ✭✭✭Lustrum


    Got to love the baseless accusations of nepotism in the company... If anyone has any proof, please share it with us all. EI HR would be particularly interested in it too.

    But I suggest potential applicants drop the cynical attitude should they be that way disposed as it will get you nowhere in aviation and reeks of you making excuses for your own sense of entitlement.

    The girl in the front of the photo at the top of the page advertising the competition is the daughter of an ex-captain. Doesn't prove anything but you can see why people have their suspicions


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4 EchoFoxtrot


    Of course it's an advantage if you have a parent to help you with the interview process, fully agree. Being able to immerse yourself in the knowledge of an experienced pilot is essential when applying for a cadetship...but is this nepotism?...

    If youre already getting caught up with BASELESS ACCUSATIONS against people who are naturally in a better position than you (that's life I'm afraid) then save yourself 240eur and bow out now.
    But If you don't have the contacts and are willing to go out there and level the playing field by finding a pilot to guide you, then you're in with a shot.


    This isn't going to be handed to you. Everyone bar no one is going to have to work to earn this. Its easy to cry nepotism but blaming anyone other than yourself for your failure is again, just masked self entitlement and will seriously need to be addressed before you're allowed anywhere near the flight deck.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,039 ✭✭✭1123heavy


    Foxtrot I think you're being a bit unfair. I fully agree that naturally, those with pilots (especially EI pilots) in their family or close friend circle automatically have an advantage when looking at the guidance and help they will get with their application.

    However "finding a pilot to guide you" isn't as easy as you make it sound, I and many others will happily testify to that.

    As well as the above, I don't believe for one second that in the EI pilot interview, saying your father/brother/uncle etc etc is a captain for EI will not help you. The interviewer is most likely going to express delight and highlight your application. I believe that last year 2 people off the same EI family got on the cadet programme, out of the thousands of applications that is one hell of a bizarre coincidence (or is it ?)

    EI aren't the only ones at it however, there have been a fair few "coincidences" in British Airways where applicants with family in BA somehow got to skip a fleet or two and head straight for the 747s.

    This is not "masked self entitlement", it is reality. I will not use it to cover up any downfalls I may have, however that doesn't mean it isn't true.


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 10,005 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    1123heavy wrote: »
    ......I don't believe for one second that in the EI pilot interview, saying your father/brother/uncle etc etc is a captain for EI will not help you. The interviewer is most likely going to express delight and highlight your application......
    .... I will not use it to cover up any downfalls I may have, however that doesn't mean it isn't true.
    Nice mature attitude expressed in the last sentence.

    I do agree that 'finding a pilot' isnt as easy as you would think.

    In relation to the EI family connections...I have personally had the experience (quite a while back) where my then inside knowledge of EI (as an employee) actually went against me as in the initial 1 on 1 interview all the 'easy' questions (company aircraft, routes, business model etc) were skipped and it was straight into the serious questioning. Of course that could just be me looking back looking for an excuse. (failed at the hurdle after that, hence got chance to chat to others about their 1 on 1)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4 EchoFoxtrot


    Heavy, yes maybe you are right I am being a bit unfair. It just angers me to see people jump in straight off the bat with disqualifying attitudes and seek to discredit an amazing and (in my expert view) fair scheme.

    Yes for you it will be more difficult but the one thing I will say is that pilots love helping out wannabes. They have all been there. So getting their help may not be as difficult as you think and I hope you find one.

    The last thing I will say on the matter is that if it were really a nepotistic system there would be a hell of a lot more family members in that photo. Many, many more applied and did not make the cut.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5 prayer_in_c


    Heavy, yes maybe you are right I am being a bit unfair. It just angers me to see people jump in straight off the bat with disqualifying attitudes and seek to discredit an amazing and (in my expert view) fair scheme.

    Yes for you it will be more difficult but the one thing I will say is that pilots love helping out wannabes. They have all been there. So getting their help may not be as difficult as you think and I hope you find one.

    The last thing I will say on the matter is that if it were really a nepotistic system there would be a hell of a lot more family members in that photo. Many, many more applied and did not make the cut.

    In that photo there are two children of pilots that I know of. There could be more and I'm not sure of connections to other parts of the operation such as H.R., etc.

    Walks like a duck, talks like a duck... Usually isn't a chicken I'm afraid!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2 kieranlad


    So, is anyone interested in answering my asthma question?

    Also I made no accusations whatsoever about nepotism in my original post, I just said that I've read about it. Although I would imagine it would be difficult to provide the actual proof that EchoFoxtrot requires. Any rumours and hearsay about nepotism probably stem from people's own experiences of the program and their opinions are passed on to others in which case proving to someone on boards that it is definitely happening would be quite difficult. At best people can just point out their own observations, such as the girl in the picture and the two members from the same family getting on the scheme which is, it has to be said, quite a coincidence.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5 iamabe


    Hi all, and best of luck to all of you if you're applying. May the best man (or lady) win whether you have an auntie who is a captain or not!


    I'm looking at the application form. The educational requirements state that a C on ordinary level English is required. I have a D in higher but the form only allows you to enter your grade, and not the level. Don't wanna exclude myself at the first hurdle over something so silly, any views? I rang the number in spain but noone available yet to answer.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7 rusty1052


    Howdy Guys - Small piece of advice for the application, given that they ask for a C in ordinary level maths, what should you put in if you got a D1 in Higher Level Maths?

    Given that there is no option to indicate it is higher level maths?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,648 ✭✭✭✭beauf


    1123heavy wrote: »
    ...EI aren't the only ones at it however, there have been a fair few "coincidences" in British Airways where applicants with family in BA somehow got to skip a fleet or two and head straight for the 747s.

    This is not "masked self entitlement", it is reality. I will not use it to cover up any downfalls I may have, however that doesn't mean it isn't true.

    I know a good few pilots, some senior. I've never done any of these interviews. But from hanging around them, and having an interest in aviation and flying I bet I would not have a problem with a lot of the interview questions.

    I'm sure it would be the same with anyone who has spent a lifetime living with a family member in the business. In any industry you find people following their relatives into the same business or trade. Apart from their connections, they would have innate knowledge of the business and what's required.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 497 ✭✭MoeJay


    @kieranlad:

    Try this link

    https://www.iaa.ie/index.jsp?p=102&n=119

    The best people to ask are the IAA in relation to any medical issue.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,097 ✭✭✭GTTDI GOD


    rusty1052 wrote: »
    Howdy Guys - Small piece of advice for the application, given that they ask for a C in ordinary level maths, what should you put in if you got a D1 in Higher Level Maths?

    Given that there is no option to indicate it is higher level maths?

    I put in D, thought it was asking about higher level, needless to say I didn't get through :/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,472 ✭✭✭highlydebased


    kona wrote: »
    That's a disgrace IMO.

    A similar fee was charged at the recent BA cadetship/future pilot programme. It was one of the things that put me off applying as the selection events were being held in London making it a very expensive occasion between travelling there/accommodation plus the assessment charge. I'm sure it was worth it for those who got through but for those like myself who even despite the best of hope and intention felt it just wouldn't be worth it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,812 ✭✭✭ProfessorPlum


    kieranlad wrote: »
    I have asthma, will this be detrimental to my chances of success on the cadet programme? From what I've read, it's quite competitive and those with family connections are heavily favoured. It seems it would be easy to chop someone if they suspected they were prone to an asthma attack in flight? (I've never in my life had an asthma attack, just need a puff of an inhaler now and again!)
    kieranlad wrote: »
    So, is anyone interested in answering my asthma question?

    Also I made no accusations whatsoever about nepotism in my original post, I just said that I've read about it. Although I would imagine it would be difficult to provide the actual proof that EchoFoxtrot requires. Any rumours and hearsay about nepotism probably stem from people's own experiences of the program and their opinions are passed on to others in which case proving to someone on boards that it is definitely happening would be quite difficult. At best people can just point out their own observations, such as the girl in the picture and the two members from the same family getting on the scheme which is, it has to be said, quite a coincidence.

    The reason no one has answered your question is that it's not possible to answer.

    Also, this isn't 'nurse on call', it's an aviation forum where people generally aren't medically qualified, and even if they were they are not among the 2 or 3 people in the country who would be able to answer your question (after meeting you and assessing you medically)

    To give you some information, Aer Lingus or anyone else can not and will not employ a cadet pilot who can't achieve a Class 1 medical. The IAA is the body in this country who dole out said medicals, so as MoeJay says, any questions of a medical nature should be realistically addressed to their Aeromedical department. (Luckily for you and the rest of us, the CMO in there atm is a lot more sensible and approachable than his predecessor, so you may actually get some useful information).

    The way I see it you have 2 options.
    The first is to apply through the program, and if you get through, you will find out at the medical stage weather you qualify or not. The big risk with this route is that when you go for your medical, the AME will have to refer you to a specialist respiratory consultant, who will need to do further assessments and write a report which will then go to the CMO who will have the final decision weather to grant your medical or not. The big risk here is that EI may have a start date in mind close to the date that the medicals are, and the delay that your further assessment will cause may deem you unavailable, and you could loose your place.
    The second option is to go ahead now and organise a Class 1 medical for yourself. If you're serious about a career as a pilot (and not just on the EI program) I think this would be prudent. At the very least, contact the IAA, explain your situation, and see if you can just get the specialist respiratory assessment done. There are only a couple of specialists that the IAA use, so you would need to see one of those. It will also cost you a few bob (I would imagine EI will not cover further assessments required for your Class 1 over an above the standard medical anyway).

    Good Luck.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,780 ✭✭✭jamo2oo9


    For the past few years, I've been searching for an answer to my question, can a hearing impaired person become a pilot holding an ATPL license? I know a fully deaf person can become a pilot with restrictions but what about a hearing impaired person? I have a cochlear implant and my hearing is fine but would airlines hire me due to my hearing disability?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,780 ✭✭✭Bsal


    jamo2oo9 wrote: »
    For the past few years, I've been searching for an answer to my question, can a hearing impaired person become a pilot holding an ATPL license? I know a fully deaf person can become a pilot with restrictions but what about a hearing impaired person? I have a cochlear implant and my hearing is fine but would airlines hire me due to my hearing disability?

    You would need to discuss that with the aeromedical centre at the Mater hospital.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,780 ✭✭✭jamo2oo9


    Bsal wrote: »
    You would need to discuss that with the aeromedical centre at the Mater hospital.

    I'm not asking if I can pass the medical exams but will airlines hire me if I have a cochlear implant?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,780 ✭✭✭Bsal


    If you have a class 1 medical there is no reason why they wouldn't.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,406 ✭✭✭sjb25


    jamo2oo9 wrote: »
    I'm not asking if I can pass the medical exams but will airlines hire me if I have a cochlear implant?

    I'm no expert but if you pass the medical like everybody elese then it shouldn't


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,780 ✭✭✭jamo2oo9


    Ok, thanks for the answer! I'll check with Mater about it!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,780 ✭✭✭Bsal


    Sure didn't the captain involved in the Flybe incident in Belfast have his prostetic arm detach during the flare causing a bit of a scare for everyone and he is fit to fly :eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,506 ✭✭✭Jack1985


    Was asked internally to apply for this (already staff), gave it a go, got a generic response I was unsuccessful just now! Life! :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 759 ✭✭✭Lustrum


    kona wrote: »
    It's a race to the bottom in aviation now. I'd be worried about the fact that your limiting your selection pool to people with e240 to blow on what's a gamble and a fairly long odd one too.

    Well it's cheaper than Stobart Air are looking for at €615 for an assessment I believe!!

    Good luck to all applying


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,812 ✭✭✭ProfessorPlum


    jamo2oo9 wrote: »
    For the past few years, I've been searching for an answer to my question, can a hearing impaired person become a pilot holding an ATPL license? I know a fully deaf person can become a pilot with restrictions but what about a hearing impaired person? I have a cochlear implant and my hearing is fine but would airlines hire me due to my hearing disability?

    As before, contact the IAA for a definitive answer. Here is the relevant part of the medical requirements for a Class 1:


    MED.B.080 Otorhino-laryngology
    (a) Applicants shall not possess any abnormality of the function of the ears, nose, sinuses or throat, including oral cavity, teeth and larynx, or any active pathological condition, congenital or acquired, acute or chronic, or any sequelae of surgery or trauma which is likely to interfere with the safe exercise of the privileges of the applicable licence(s).
    (b) Hearing shall be satisfactory for the safe exercise of the privileges of the applicable licence(s).
    (c) Examination
    (1) Hearing shall be tested at all examinations.
    (i) In the case of Class 1 medical certificates and Class 2 medical certificates, when an instrument rating is to be added to the licence held, hearing shall be tested with pure tone audiometry at the initial examination and, at subsequent revalidation or renewal examinations, every 5 years until the age 40 and every 2 years thereafter.
    (ii) When tested on a pure-tone audiometer, initial applicants shall not have a hearing loss of more than 35 dB at any of the frequencies 500, 1 000 or 2 000 Hz, or more than 50 dB at 3 000 Hz, in either ear separately. Applicants for revalidation or renewal, with greater hearing loss shall demonstrate satisfactory functional hearing ability.
    (iii) Applicants with hypoacusis shall demonstrate satisfactory functional hearing ability.
    (2) A comprehensive ear, nose and throat examination shall be undertaken for the initial issue of a Class 1 medical certificate and periodically thereafter when clinically indicated.
    (d) Applicants for a Class 1 medical certificate with:
    (1) an active pathological process, acute or chronic, of the internal or middle ear;
    (2) unhealed perforation or dysfunction of the tympanic membrane(s);
    (3) disturbance of vestibular function;
    (4) significant restriction of the nasal passages;
    (5) sinus dysfunction;
    (6) significant malformation or significant, acute or chronic infection of the oral cavity or upper respiratory tract; (7) significant disorder of speech or voice;
    shall undergo further medical examination and assessment to establish that the condition does not interfere with the safe exercise of the privileges of the licence held.
    EN
    25.11.2011 OfficialJournaloftheEuropeanUnion L311/189
    (e) Aero-medical assessment:
    (1) applicants for a Class 1 medical certificate with the disturbance of vestibular function shall be referred to the licensing authority;
    (2) fitness of Class 2 applicants with the disturbance of vestibular function shall be assessed in consultation with the licensing authority.


    There's no mention of cochlear implants disqualifying, so it would seem that as long as you can meet the audiometry requirements, and that there is no other dysfunction (e.g. balance issues etc), you should be able to get a class 1.


    So long as you hold a Class 1, the airline won't care about your implant.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,812 ✭✭✭ProfessorPlum


    Bsal wrote: »
    Its not paid at a late stage in recruitment it would be stage 3 (1.send app, 2.Online tests, 3 assessment centre.) so its not far at all into the recruitment but im sure they will get €240x~3000 people nice little money maker.

    Stage 2 is the big cull. There won't be anywhere near 3000 people going for group assessments - that would be logistically impossible. It will more likely be a few hundred (depending on how many cadets they intend to take on). Your odds are greatly increased when you get to the group stages.
    At that stage, if a candidate doesn't feel he's worth a stake of €240, he's free to withdraw from the process. Odd that the same person would expect a company to gamble in excess of 100K on him though.


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