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Should Ireland regulate baby names?

  • 12-09-2014 5:36am
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,793 ✭✭✭


    A lot of countries do this (Iceland, Germany, Sweden) for various reasons
    it's about meeting certain rules of grammar and gender, and saving the child from possible embarrassment.
    link

    Should Ireland do the same? Or is it more "nanny-stateism"? I can't say I feel particularly strongly either way but the idea of a child growing with a name like Khaleesi or Nidge does annoy me.

    Should the government be stricter on Irish names? Again I don't feel strongly and the only example I can think of is that my dad is always giving out about the name Katelyn because it's an American bastardisation of Caitlín.

    So what does AH think?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 468 ✭✭Gordy6040


    No. My feeling is that this is a multi cultural society and who's to say what a normal name is for some one with a non irish background.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,406 ✭✭✭PirateShampoo


    No, Ireland is a country of boring names, where if you had a unusual name you was sent to work in the Laundrys.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,548 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    Generally no. The only exceptions I'd have would be where the names would have a clear and substantial negative impact on the child's life. For example - '****face' probably shouldn't be allowed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,900 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Gordy6040 wrote: »
    No. My feeling is that this is a multi cultural society and who's to say what a normal name is for some one with a non irish background.

    It's not about restricting names from other cultures. It's about restrict ridiculous names, names with non-phonetical symbols, names using other alphabets or ones that might impact the child.

    Names like;
    Fcuk da Police
    @ndrew
    Coca-Cola
    Dr. Smith (using Dr. or a similar title as part of a name is restricted in many places)
    Shithead
    Superman
    Talula Does the Hula From Hawaii (real name given to a NZ baby, courts ordered it to be changed)
    Brfxxccxxmnpcccclllmmnprxvclmnckssqlbb11116 (pronounced Albin) - (Sweden had to ban that one after somebody tried to use it)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,228 ✭✭✭mrsbyrne


    I dont believe anyone would call a child Nidge.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 637 ✭✭✭Rabbo


    Mellor wrote: »
    It's not about restricting names from other cultures. It's about restrict ridiculous names, names with non-phonetical symbols, names using other alphabets or ones that might impact the child.

    Names like;
    Fcuk da Police
    @ndrew
    Coca-Cola
    Dr. Smith (using Dr. or a similar title as part of a name is restricted in many places)
    Shithead
    Superman
    Talula Does the Hula From Hawaii (real name given to a NZ baby, courts ordered it to be changed)
    Brfxxccxxmnpcccclllmmnprxvclmnckssqlbb11116 (pronounced Albin) - (Sweden had to ban that one after somebody tried to use it)

    I'd imagine any child with parents who would name them like that isn't going to have a particularly good upbringing regardless. Their ridiculous name would only be part of their problems,


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,900 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Rabbo wrote: »
    I'd imagine any child with parents who would name them like that isn't going to have a particularly good upbringing regardless. Their ridiculous name would only be part of their problems,
    True, but with a name like that they carry the problems with them everywhere they go, and even simple things would become and ordeal.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,045 ✭✭✭✭gramar


    FunLover18 wrote: »
    Should Ireland do the same?
    Or is it more "nanny-stateism"?
    Should the government be stricter on Irish names?
    So what does AH think?

    Why so many questions two dogs fcuking?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,954 ✭✭✭Tail Docker


    mrsbyrne wrote: »
    I dont believe anyone would call a child Nidge.

    You'd be amazed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 317 ✭✭cookie24


    Of course this should be regulated. Some parents are absolute asshats


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,396 ✭✭✭Frosty McSnowballs


    Warren G does the regulating around here!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,459 ✭✭✭Molester Stallone II


    No, I quite like walking thru an estate & hearing a loving mother shout out "Shaniqua, Beyonce, Shakira, get in now! your dinners ready"!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 925 ✭✭✭Plates


    As long as you don't afflict a poor child with a double barrel surname. Even a simple first name sounds obnoxious when followed by O'Flaherty Flynn or Doherty Byrne.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,591 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    gramar wrote: »
    Why so many questions two dogs fcuking?

    Good user name.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,046 ✭✭✭Berserker


    mrsbyrne wrote: »
    I dont believe anyone would call a child Nidge.

    Well, I have bad news for you. My sister in law had a baby a few months ago and another lady in the ward named her newborn son Nidge. Given the popularity of the show, I'd say that there are a few more out there.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,360 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    Berserker wrote: »
    Well, I have bad news for you. My sister in law had a baby a few months ago and another lady in the ward named her newborn son Nidge. Given the popularity of the show, I'd say that there are a few more out there.

    I assumed that nidge was a nickname? Who calls their kid after a nickname?

    Anyway, iceland is a bad example. They dont recognise a lot of people's names and there's issues with surnames there too.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,507 ✭✭✭Buona Fortuna


    We should go back to just the four names.

    Mary or Bridie
    Patrick or Brendan.

    Keeps things simple :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,837 ✭✭✭same ol sh1te


    I do agree we should regulate celebrities giving their children stupid names. North fcuking West is a point of the compass, Apple is a fruit

    http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/3312603/slideshow/298649#slide-0


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    I named my two

    Lil Uzi

    Minigun


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 735 ✭✭✭DundalkDuffman


    Plates wrote: »
    As long as you don't afflict a poor child with a double barrel surname. Even a simple first name sounds obnoxious when followed by O'Flaherty Flynn or Doherty Byrne.

    And then for double bubble give them a double barrel forename. Apologies if this is someones actual name but Sarah Jane Mulligan O'Donovan doesn't exactly trip off the tongue.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,900 ✭✭✭✭Riskymove


    I assumed that nidge was a nickname? Who calls their kid after a nickname?

    nickname for Nigel in my experience!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,184 ✭✭✭✭Lapin


    As long as people don't name their sons 'Heil' after you know who, I give n'er a fuk what they call the little scroats.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,184 ✭✭✭✭Lapin


    We should go back to just the four names.

    Mary or Bridie
    Patrick or Brendan.

    Keeps things simple :D

    What happens if you have five kids? I suppose you could throw the name Martin into the pot, or Pauline if its a tae maker.

    But what if you end up with six sprogs?

    Or seven?

    Or 14?


    You're going to hit the Nidge or Two Dogs Fucking threshold at some stage


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,733 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    Messi's hometown in Argentina made a rule that babies can't have Messi as a first name.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,046 ✭✭✭Berserker


    I assumed that nidge was a nickname? Who calls their kid after a nickname?

    Not uncommon. I went to school with a lad called Elton. His mother and father are/were massive Elton John fans and they him Elton after the singer, as opposed to Reginald which is his real name.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 317 ✭✭cookie24


    Lapin wrote: »
    What happens if you have five kids? I suppose you could throw the name Martin into the pot, or Pauline if its a tae maker.

    But what if you end up with six sprogs?

    Or seven?

    Or 14?


    You're going to hit the Nidge or Two Dogs Fucking threshold at some stage

    If you get down that far protocol says you must look to Glenroe for inspiration.

    Biddy
    Teasy
    Dinny
    Miley (although this may be disallowed for obvious reasons)


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 35,731 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    And then for double bubble give them a double barrel forename. Apologies if this is someones actual name but Sarah Jane Mulligan O'Donovan doesn't exactly trip off the tongue.

    I beg to differ, the syllabic structure and assonance are positively Gilbert and Sullivanesque.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,156 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Lapin wrote: »
    As long as people don't name their sons 'Heil' after you know who, I give n'er a fuk what they call the little scroats.

    A family in America called Hitler named their child Adolf

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,410 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    I assumed that nidge was a nickname? Who calls their kid after a nickname?

    Anyway, iceland is a bad example. They dont recognise a lot of people's names and there's issues with surnames there too.

    There's no issue with surnames in Iceland. They don't have them. They use a patronymic system.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,175 ✭✭✭hoodwinked


    Plates wrote: »
    As long as you don't afflict a poor child with a double barrel surname. Even a simple first name sounds obnoxious when followed by O'Flaherty Flynn or Doherty Byrne.

    don't forget when the inevitable happens and O'Flaherty Flynn marries Doherty Byrne and they welcome baby O'Flaherty Flynn-Doherty Byrne to the family.....etc

    i can't see why parents can't just use one family surname, pick the one you like best even and use that, if you are a single parent use your surname,

    but don't pass the buck and put both surnames down it's ridiculous :rolleyes: both of your DNA makes the child, parents need to stop with this selfish naming nonsense!


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,360 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    endacl wrote: »
    There's no issue with surnames in Iceland. They don't have them. They use a patronymic system.

    Jon Gnarr would disagree.


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 35,731 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    Jon Gnarr would disagree.

    He wouldn't. Jón and Gnarr are his given names.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,900 ✭✭✭✭Riskymove


    He wouldn't. Jón and Gnarr are his given names.

    indeed:

    Jón Gnarr Kristinsson


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 35,731 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    Unless you mean he would disagree with the status quo, in which case fair enough.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,410 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    Riskymove wrote: »
    indeed:

    Jón Gnarr Kristinsson

    Yep. Son of Kristin.

    His son would be Jonsson. A daughter would be Jonsdottir.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,190 ✭✭✭Rory28


    Lapin wrote: »
    As long as people don't name their sons 'Heil' after you know who, I give n'er a fuk what they call the little scroats.

    When did Hitler become Voldemort?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 748 ✭✭✭It BeeMee


    osarusan wrote: »
    Messi's hometown in Argentina made a rule that babies can't have Messi as a first name.

    Does that mean I can't refer to our youngest as "The Babb-y" :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,900 ✭✭✭✭Riskymove


    Rory28 wrote: »
    When did Hitler become Voldemort?

    if you say his name does his spirit gain power??:pac:


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 35,731 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    Lapin wrote: »
    As long as people don't name their sons 'Heil' after you know who, I give n'er a fuk what they call the little scroats.

    Heil E Selassie?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,220 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Yes, only Irish names allowed. None of this English names malarky.
    If Deasmumhnach was good enough for my great granddad it's good enough for my son.
    None of this William, Eric or Terry stuff.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,591 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    endacl wrote: »
    Yep. Son of Kristin.

    His son would be Jonsson. A daughter would be Jonsdottir.

    His son would also be Jons son?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,562 ✭✭✭eyescreamcone


    Didn't someone have Danger as their middle name?

    "Danger is my middle name!!!"


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 35,731 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    Paudie Dan Ger Mullins I think it was


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,410 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    kneemos wrote: »
    His son would also be Jons son?

    Jon's would...


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,628 ✭✭✭darkdubh


    Gordy6040 wrote: »
    No. My feeling is that this is a multi cultural society and who's to say what a normal name is for some one with a non irish background.


    The think the op is refering to ridiculous makey up names rather then legit foreign ones.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,628 ✭✭✭darkdubh


    mrsbyrne wrote: »
    I dont believe anyone would call a child Nidge.


    I wouldn't be so sure.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,410 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    darkdubh wrote: »
    The think the op is refering to ridiculous makey up names rather then legit foreign ones.

    Like 'Darkdubh'?

    :pac:


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,628 ✭✭✭darkdubh


    endacl wrote: »
    Like 'Darkdubh'?

    :pac:

    Or Endacl. Har har har!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    Sure you could always get your name changed like this guy...


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,628 ✭✭✭darkdubh


    smash wrote: »
    Sure you could always get your name changed like this guy...


    They coulden't even get the man of steels name right.Fail on so many levels.


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