Dental care for poor

MaryM9

I think it would be a wonderful charity, if the dentists of Galway would give one day each ( there's enough dentists to go around ) per month, to, look after those on social welfare, to do their teeth for free. I just want them to take a moment to imagine how they would survive on less than 200 euro a week to cover ALL their needs. I suppose this is as a call to their consciences, to kick in, and operate on a 'need not greed' basis for ONE day per month, independent of the government - for no other reason other than it is the descent and right thing to do.

punisher5112

They run a business and in these times especially how could you expect them to run a free service.

If you need work done do what workers have to do and save as I can tell you for a fact I can hardly spare a few € at the end of the week after bills, rent, groceries and petrol etc....

MaryM9

MaryM9 wrote: »

I think it would be a wonderful charity, if the dentists of Galway would give one day each ( there's enough dentists to go around ) per month, to, look after those on social welfare, to do their teeth for free. I just want them to take a moment to imagine how they would survive on less than 200 euro a week to cover ALL their needs. I suppose this is as a call to their consciences, to kick in, and operate on a 'need not greed' basis for ONE day per month, independent of the government - for no other reason other than it is the descent and right thing to do.

They are already entitled to 2 extractions and 2 fillings a year on their medical cards.

challengemaster

Deleted User wrote: »

They are already entitled to 2 extractions and 2 fillings a year on their medical cards.

4 fillings, unlimited extractions

challengemaster

challengemaster wrote: »

4 fillings, unlimited extractions

We're both half right. It's 2 fillings and extractions as needed.

http://www.hse.ie/eng/services/list/2/dental/

Adults (over 16 years of age) who have a valid medical card can access a range of dental services and treatments under the Dental Treatment Service Scheme.

All medical card holders are entitled to specific dental treatments e.g., a dental examination, two fillings in each calendar year, extractions as necessary.

Some treatments such as the provision of dentures require the approval of the HSE before the dentist can proceed and in this case, the dentist applies directly to the HSE.

Additional treatments for example, teeth cleaning are available to those persons with specific medical conditions and again, your dentist will be able to advise you of your entitlement if this is the case. The HSE dental section may require written documentation outlining your medical condition and/or medications from your G.P. or other relevant medical person.

Mrs OBumble

Charity is odious. If you believe there are unmet health needs, lobby your TD to have them addressed under the medical card scheme.

MaryM9

I was referring to work like implants to hold in bottom dentures for example ( I mean the raw materials cost a pittance - ) and it would help those poor who HAVE to wear bottom dentures and find them hard to keep in, or the person in pain who can't afford the 3rd. filling. W e'er all the same with the same desires, com'on guys -have a heart - literally. You never know, you might just save a soul - your own

MaryM9

punisher5112 wrote: »

They run a business and in these times especially how could you expect them to run a free service.

If you need work done do what workers have to do and save as I can tell you for a fact I can hardly spare a few € at the end of the week after bills, rent, groceries and petrol etc....

Lol - your funny : )

MaryM9

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Charity is odious. If you believe there are unmet health needs, lobby your TD to have them addressed under the medical card scheme.

WRONG! Charity, is the greatest gift. Sorry you disapprove of it.

ben.schlomo

Is this that mushroom lad again?

henryporter

So how do you classify poor? I can't afford to go to the dentist even though I work, pay tax etc. No free fillings etc like they get on the social :-(

MaryM9

challengemaster wrote: »

4 fillings, unlimited extractions

But what if they need 3 or 4 or exploratory work? How long have you personally had to endure dental pain? What gives you the right to condemn others to it, just because they are poor?

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy

MaryM9 wrote: »

WRONG! Charity, is the greatest gift. Sorry you disapprove of it.

I approve of dentists being asked to do this. As long as every plumber, electrician, carpenter and barber etc is asked to do the same.

MaryM9

henryporter wrote: »

So how do you classify poor? I can't afford to go to the dentist even though I work, pay tax etc. No free fillings etc like they get on the social :-(

You have the option to get that 3rd. filling if you need it, some other bill can wait until next week, but if you are on less than 200 euro for ALL your needs, you have to live with the pain.
I'm only purposing one day a month per dentist - there are so many dentists in Galway that it would probably work out at less days each.

MaryM9

The Cunning Linguist wrote: »

I approve of dentists being asked to do this. As long as every plumber, electrician, carpenter and barber etc is asked to do the same.

WoW! Now your talking - what a wonderful idea : )

MaryM9

henryporter wrote: »

So how do you classify poor? I can't afford to go to the dentist even though I work, pay tax etc. No free fillings etc like they get on the social :-(

People TRYING to live on less than 200 euro a week

RossieMan

200 euro a week for nothing? oh the poor souls. give up the drink or smoking and you'll have a lot more money to spend.
people on social seem to have the best lives of us all.

ben.schlomo

MaryM9 wrote: »

You have the option to get that 3rd. filling if you need it, some other bill can wait until next week, but if you are on less than 200 euro for ALL your needs, you have to live with the pain.
I'm only purposing one day a month per dentist - there are so many dentists in Galway that it would probably work out at less days each.

Surely if he can put a bill off then so can you, then you can pay for your work like everyone else.

SpaceTime

challengemaster wrote: »

4 fillings, unlimited extractions

What a stupid and disfiguring policy. If you're going to have a dental service it shouldn't be limiting filings and should be trying to avoid extractions. They're hardly any more expensive than extractions and if done in time would avoid complicated problems.

When was this last updated? The dark ages?

MaryM9

RossieMan wrote: »

200 euro a week for nothing? oh the poor souls. give up the drink or smoking and you'll have a lot more money to spend.
people on social seem to have the best lives of us all.

Who are you to judge, some unemployed people are so dispirited by what life has handed to them ( job loss, not employed because of their address ect. they are emotionally broken some poor drink to drown out sadness and disappointment and loss. Unless you know what you are talking about you are just spouting HATE at the unfortunate. Some day it may just be you - even if that seems impossible at the moment - some unemployed people never thought they would see this day either!

MaryM9

ben.schlomo wrote: »

Surely if he can put a bill off then so can you, then you can pay for your work like everyone else.

Did I for ONE MOMENT say I was talking about myself? Some of us are capable of thinking of the less well of, without being poor, whats wrong with you?

MaryM9

ben.schlomo wrote: »

Surely if he can put a bill off then so can you, then you can pay for your work like everyone else.

And furthermore, what kind of person thinks, its all right to put someone into debt to get out of pain for what would be a couple minutes work - when they will suffer to pay it back - have you ever known want?????

userofnames123

Two fillings and extractions as needed is not adequate and a lot of people living in homeless services will tell you this. Its a big problem.

ben.schlomo

MaryM9 wrote: »

Did I for ONE MOMENT say I was talking about myself? Some of us are capable of thinking of the less well of, without being poor, whats wrong with you?

I dislike the many tracksuit wearing types standing outside the dole office smoking, illegally parking cars and generally not looking for employment. Anyway this is a pointless rambling nonsensical thread which has nowt to do with Galway so im sure twil be locked soon.

MaryM9

ben.schlomo wrote: »

I dislike the many tracksuit wearing types standing outside the dole office smoking, illegally parking cars and generally not looking for employment. Anyway this is a pointless rambling nonsensical thread which has nowt to do with Galway so im sure twil be locked soon.

Wow! so you judge the book by the cover then? Aww REALLY poor you: )

MaryM9

ben.schlomo wrote: »

I dislike the many tracksuit wearing types standing outside the dole office smoking, illegally parking cars and generally not looking for employment. Anyway this is a pointless rambling nonsensical thread which has nowt to do with Galway so im sure twil be locked soon.

As for Galway, if you look, it was a suggestion for GALWAY dentists - well one has to start someplace

ben.schlomo

MaryM9 wrote: »

Wow! so you judge the book by the cover then? Aww REALLY poor you: )

Yep i love to judge, gets me through my days, dont have time for bleeding heart do gooders who simply enable the wastage in the social welfare system.

MaryM9

MaryM9 wrote: »

People TRYING to live on less than 200 euro a week

Plus rent allowance, plus fuel allowance, plus medical card. In some cases mortgage relief. Admittedly there are some, especially newly unemployed who won't qualify for all the above. There are also some on minimum wage jobs that would love to have €198 a week to live off.

MaryM9

ben.schlomo wrote: »

Yep i love to judge, gets me through my days, dont have time for bleeding heart do gooders who simply enable the wastage in the social welfare system.

Yes sir, lets watch those pennies for the gov. What matter human suffering, you think they are a waste - remember as you judge....... and all that : )

The Dagda

MaryM9 wrote: »

Yes sir, lets watch those pennies for the gov. What matter human suffering, you think they are a waste - remember as you judge....... and all that : )

Hi Mary, I believe your efforts would be better spent on demanding a better service from the state. Not least because we all pay for it...

Shakespeare's Sister

MaryM9 wrote: »

I think it would be a wonderful charity, if the dentists of Galway would give one day each ( there's enough dentists to go around ) per month, to, look after those on social welfare, to do their teeth for free. I just want them to take a moment to imagine how they would survive on less than 200 euro a week to cover ALL their needs. I suppose this is as a call to their consciences, to kick in, and operate on a 'need not greed' basis for ONE day per month, independent of the government - for no other reason other than it is the descent and right thing to do.

But... they might not be able to afford to lose that much money. It's not all about "greed", they have to pay for the upkeep of their business. They worked very hard to get where they are, bit bitter to be pissed off at their success.

MaryM9 wrote: »

I was referring to work like implants to hold in bottom dentures for example ( I mean the raw materials cost a pittance - ) and it would help those poor who HAVE to wear bottom dentures and find them hard to keep in, or the person in pain who can't afford the 3rd. filling. W e'er all the same with the same desires, com'on guys -have a heart - literally. You never know, you might just save a soul - your own

What are you doing to save your soul?

MaryM9

The Dagda wrote: »

Hi Mary, I believe your efforts would be better spent on demanding a better service from the state. Not least because we all pay for it...

I was just knocking - you get 3 chances to close the door. This knock was for the suffering, its up to each how they respond, we all know the speed the state works at - a long time to have a toothache!!! : )

MaryM9

Shakespeare's Sister wrote: »

But... they might not be able to afford to lose that much money. It's not all about "greed", they have to pay for the upkeep of their business. They worked very hard to get where they are, bit bitter to be pissed off at their success.

I don't question that they worked hard, I am talking about something else, that does not make me bitter I merely speak for those in need, and, no, I do NOT believe that a dentist cannot afford i day a month for those who have nothing!!!!

Big Davey

POOR lol people on the dole are the new rich in this country all you need is a few kids and a council house and you are set for life.
The harder you work in this country the more the country screws you.
If you want to help the POOR help people who are struggling to pay a mortgage and a baby sitter etc while they earn a crust to be bent over time after time by this country.

MaryM9 wrote: »

I think it would be a wonderful charity, if the dentists of Galway would give one day each ( there's enough dentists to go around ) per month, to, look after those on social welfare, to do their teeth for free. I just want them to take a moment to imagine how they would survive on less than 200 euro a week to cover ALL their needs. I suppose this is as a call to their consciences, to kick in, and operate on a 'need not greed' basis for ONE day per month, independent of the government - for no other reason other than it is the descent and right thing to do.

Owenw

MaryM9 wrote: »

I was just knocking - you get 3 chances to close the door. This knock was for the suffering, its up to each how they respond, we all know the speed the state works at - a long time to have a toothache!!! : )

Why don't you start your own charity to fund specialised dental treatment for the poor?

Give a little, it halts the rot

Shakespeare's Sister

MaryM9 wrote: »

I do NOT believe that a dentist cannot afford i day a month for those who have nothing!!!!

Have you seen their bank statements or something?
If anything they could be in debt - overheads for running a business are huge.

MaryM9

Big Davey wrote: »

The harder you work in this country the more the country screws you.
If you want to help the POOR help people who are struggling to pay a mortgage and a baby sitter etc while they earn a crust to be bent over time after time by this country.

Why don't you? who is stopping YOU speaking up for the under-paid? I have chosen to speak for a very specific issue, for a specific section of our society, but, that needn't stop you speaking for others, we should all be in this TOGETHER

MaryM9

Owenw wrote: »

Why don't you start your own charity to fund specialised dental treatment for the poor?

Give a little, it halts the rot

LOVE IT

Big Davey

MaryM9 wrote: »

Why don't you? who is stopping YOU speaking up for the under-paid? I have chosen to speak for a very specific issue, for a specific section of our society, but, that needn't stop you speaking for others, we should all be in this TOGETHER

I don't have time I am too busy working. Why don't you speak up for the underpaid on my behalf I recon you would be great at it

Shakespeare's Sister

MaryM9 wrote: »

Why don't you? who is stopping YOU speaking up for the under-paid? I have chosen to speak for a very specific issue, for a specific section of our society, but, that needn't stop you speaking for others, we should all be in this TOGETHER

Yeh you seem to be keen on telling/asking OTHERS to do stuff for the poor. But the question asked was: what are you doing yourself for the poor? Apart from making demands on an internet forum.

RossieMan

and making silly statements to whatever reply is given.

Not sure why this is still open, very silly topic with no real points given by the OP.

biko

If you have a problem with a thread:
1. report it
2. don't read/post

Owenw

RossieMan wrote: »

and making silly statements to whatever reply is given.

Not sure why this is still open, very silly topic with no real points given by the OP.

Ahh be fair she's just 'chewing the fat' - quite a feat with dentures!

MaryM9

Shakespeare's Sister wrote: »

Yeh you seem to be keen on telling/asking OTHERS to do stuff for the poor. But the question asked was: what are you doing yourself for the poor? Apart from making demands on an internet forum.

I have never once on this thread asked what anyone was doing for the poor, I'm sure you, like me are doing your bit (or not - that's for you to know). What I was referring to, is a solution for people with extreme pain (medical card or not), that cannot for whatever reason (bills, baby-sitting, mortgage etc.) afford to pay for dental pain relief. Whereby, weekly/monthly income + outgoings can be proved to be insufficient to pay for it. If at all avoidable why should anyone have to suffer with excruciating tooth pain, when there is more then enough expertise to go around????

ArtyC

I work full time. After bills, loans repayments etc I have feck all left.

I've two cracked teeth and I'm saving a little bit each week until I can go to the dentist . The workers are the ones screwed In this country. More taxes and bills every week... A very low minimum wage( when the cost if living is do high)

MaryM9

@RossieMan and @Owenw

“If you are not a part of the solution, you are a part of the problem.” If you have nothing constructive to offer then I would suggest this thread is not for you and you will get absolutely nothing from it. I understand acts of kindness with no perceived come back is just too much for some people to understand. Feel free to troll this post if you wish, but know that it will just make me amused... Now, back to the topic at hand.... Dental care for the poor in Galway...

ireland.man

For some with problems of tooth overcrowding, disease and receding gum lines are common ailments and will almost inevitably mean massive problems down the line but medical card holders can't get the long term solution of braces nor the short term solution of multiple cleanings a year. It's just one example of where people fall through the safety net and end up suffering so while I think it's sad charity has to step in and fill a hole the state should be dealing with, I do think dentists could provide some free clinic services occasionally.

MaryM9

ArtyC wrote: »

I work full time. After bills, loans repayments etc I have feck all left.

I've two cracked teeth and I'm saving a little bit each week until I can go to the dentist . The workers are the ones screwed In this country. More taxes and bills every week... A very low minimum wage( when the cost if living is do high)

I couldn't agree more, and that is why my post concerns 'poor' rather than JUST the unemployed. : )

RossieMan

Why do you continually dodge questions about what you're doing to help the poor?
People might be more interested in your opinion if you yourself actually do something.


Mary, just to add to this, are you currently working?

While i think your attempts are admirable, in the real world it just doesn't happen where people(most people) can give up a days wage to help others. Most people are paying massive mortgages. and are struggling themselves.

Shakespeare's Sister

RossieMan wrote: »

Why do you continually dodge questions about what you're doing to help the poor?

Exactly.

And it might not be straightforward for dentists to do this. Who will organise it? How would it be implemented? It will still incur costs - who will foot these?

inisboffin

Shouldn't any solution be for 'Low Income' (as opposed to Social Welfare vs Employed). Yes plenty of low waged workers are making similar amounts, but everyone's situation is different. In some countries the 'cheap' clinics are assessed by net wage (you bring in your payslip OR your social welfare docket). To me that seems fairer if clinics are to be offered.