Boeing 737 Max 8-200 Ryanair order

Phil_Lives

http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalking/2014/07/15/boeings-200-seat-737-8-gives-new-meaning-to-max/

http://atwonline.com/manufacturers/boeing-bullish-adds-200-seat-737-max-8

supposedly 5cm less room with the increasae in capacity to 200.

I heard O'Leary at the time of the big order saying that he couldn't understand why they wouldn't shift to a 200 seater configuration or whip out one of the rear toilets. It seems he has got his wish.

If ticket prices on ryanair go from for example €42.99 to 40.99 per leg I'm all in favour of this although the obese and plus 6 footers might not be so keen on it. I don't know where the 11 peoples extra luggage will go other than in the hold.

Razor44

Seems like it will be quite tight on a 737 max....wonder will it put some people off. I know its made me think twice

jamo2oo9

As long as the tickets remain cheap, people will still fly with Ryanair regardless of how much room they have to bare with

Tenger

jamo2oo9 wrote: »

As long as the tickets remain cheap, people will still fly with Ryanair regardless of how much room they have to bare with

And they'll say "never again" until they have to book another flight and look for the lowest fare!1

sully2010

Looks like they are about to place an order for 100 Max's

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/boring-old-daddy-oleary-to-spend-10bn-on-100-more-jets-30566333.html

Phil_Lives

Good news for airports too. 5% more passengers on each of those planes.
hopefully many of them will come to Dublin. T2 isn't going to pay for itself. infact T2 probably actually isn't going to pay for itself with the passenger growth in T1 paying for it but they'll probably juggle the numbers to hide that from view.

L1011

Phil_Lives wrote: »

Good news of airports too. 5% more passengers on each of those planes.
hopefully many of them will come to Dublin. T2 isn't going to pay for itself. infact T2 probably actually isn't going to pay for itself with the passenger growth in T1 paying for it but they'll probably juggle the numbers to hide that from view.

There has been significant passenger growth in T2, probably a lot more than T1 actually.

Despite O'Learys constant screaming and moaning, T2 was absolutely needed.

Phil_Lives

MYOB wrote: »

There has been significant passenger growth in T2, probably a lot more than T1 actually.

Despite O'Learys constant screaming and moaning, T2 was absolutely needed.

Rolls Royce Terminal wasn't needed. Passenger growth in T2 is incentivised.

Peregrine

Phil_Lives wrote: »

Good news of airports too. 5% more passengers on each of those planes.
hopefully many of them will come to Dublin. T2 isn't going to pay for itself. infact T2 probably actually isn't going to pay for itself with the passenger growth in T1 paying for it but they'll probably juggle the numbers to hide that from view.

Please explain..

Phil_Lives

What's there to explain? Every body that moves through the airport is income to the airport.

L1011

Phil_Lives wrote: »

Rolls Royce Terminal wasn't needed. Passenger growth in T2 is incentivised.

More O'Leary inspired guff. Nothing in T2 is "Rolls Royce", or "gold plated" or whatever ever O'Leary quote you want to use.

Also, route incentives predate T2 and are not restricted to T2, so you may want to explain whatever you're trying to claim there, as I suspect it makes no sense.

martinsvi

Tenger wrote: »

And they'll say "never again" until they have to book another flight and look for the lowest fare!1

well actually I do avoid CityJet ever since my legs fell asleep so hard I had difficulty getting out. I was sitting in the aisle seat down at the back and couple sitting next to me got really impatient with me. It was rather embarrassing as I'm sure they thought I was drunk.

As for Ryanair, if the journey is more than one hour (basically every destination outside UK/EI) I buy the emergency exit seat. If they decide to go with even narrower pitches (I hope they wont touch the exit seats), I will have no other choice than to fly with someone else.. This is not about being fancy or picky - it's about choosing not to make a big ass out of yourself

Phil_Lives

MYOB wrote: »

More O'Leary inspired guff. Nothing in T2 is "Rolls Royce", or "gold plated" or whatever ever O'Leary quote you want to use.

Also, route incentives predate T2 and are not restricted to T2, so you may want to explain whatever you're trying to claim there, as I suspect it makes no sense.

Oh sorry, you are completely right. T2 isn't a white elephant which a generation of travellers are going to be paying for.

L1011

Phil_Lives wrote: »

Oh sorry, you are completely right. T2 isn't a white elephant which a generation of travellers are going to be paying for.

Completely suckered by O'Leary I see. I guess you believe it cost a billion also?

murphaph

Phil_Lives wrote: »

Rolls Royce Terminal wasn't needed. Passenger growth in T2 is incentivised.

T2 is just a normal airport terminal as can be found anywhere in the world. The taps aren't gold plated.

Not everyone wants or needs to fly from a terminal with no air-bridges, if that's what you mean by gold plated.

Phil_Lives

Please stop introducing noise like "billion". I didn't mention it but you seem intent on pulling the thread off topic as you have a vendetta against Ryanair.

Facts appear to be that Ryanair will most likely be buying 737 max aircraft.
if those planes are based or even flying in to Dublin they'll be delivering more visitors to Ireland and each one of them will be paying more airport fees and hopefully spending money in the economy.
This is good news for the largest airline in the Country and good news for the Country including an Airport which is crippled by the cost of servicing its debt.

Tenger

Phil_Lives wrote: »

....T2 isn't going to pay for itself. infact T2 probably actually isn't going to pay for itself with the passenger growth in T1 paying for it but they'll probably juggle the numbers to hide that from view.

Phil_Lives wrote: »

Rolls Royce Terminal wasn't needed. Passenger growth in T2 is incentivised.

Phil_Lives wrote: »

Oh sorry, you are completely right. T2 isn't a white elephant which a generation of travellers are going to be paying for.

Phil_Lives wrote: »

........This is good news for the largest airline in the Country and good news for the Country including an Airport which is crippled by the cost of servicing its debt.

Infracted for trolling.
No-one displayed a vendetta against FR. And it was you who derailed this thread.

Any more and its a holiday from Boards.ie


Had edited this out after initial post. Putting it back in to explain context of Phil_lives reply:
T2 was only part of the cost of the E 1.2bn airport upgrade. T2 has seen constant pax growth since it opened. In fact this forum has discussed how T2 could have been designed to be bigger as it is now reaching stand congestion at certain times of the day

L1011

Phil_Lives wrote: »

Please stop introducing noise like "billion". I didn't mention it but you seem intent on pulling the thread off topic as you have a vendetta against Ryanair.

Its because you're making utterly inaccurate statements about T2 that happen to match exactly with the guff produced by Michael O'Leary, and his repeated claim that the entire improvement works to DUB in the past decade, including the entire low cost pier that he uses, were "the cost of T2" is part of that.

T2 is a bog-standard modern terminal. It is not "Rolls Royce" and was entirely needed. It is not some millstone around passengers necks like you seem to believe.

Phil_Lives

Tenger wrote: »

Infracted for trolling.

Any more and its a holiday from Boards.ie



T2 was only part of the cost of the E 1.2bn airport upgrade. T2 has seen constant pax growth since it opened. In fact this forum has discussed how T2 could have been designed to be bigger as it is now reaching stand congestion at certain times of the day

Stop quoting billions. I never mentioned billions. Yer man MYOB introduced billions in to the thread and has achieved thread disruption which was his obvious objective.
I withdraw from from this discussion.

Strumms

There are still people such as myself and many who I know who are happy to spend an extra 20 quid or so to avoid FR as it is seen as money well spent for better comfort and a more pleasant customer experience overall. If MOL is indeed dead set on making space even more of a premium there may be more people who decide to think like that. Can't knock low fares at all and good luck to them but lots of people also will only take the idea off low fares and cattle class so far before it becomes unpalatable and feel that paying extra represents more value for the way they will be treated.

BonkeyDonker

Interesting that Boeing announce this just as Airbus push the A320 upto 189 - the same as the current B737-800. For airlines it is a no-brainer really - you are essentially getting getting eleven free seats with no need for an additional F/A or much else really.

billie1b

Strumms wrote: »

There are still people such as myself and many who I know who are happy to spend an extra 20 quid or so to avoid FR as it is seen as money well spent for better comfort and a more pleasant customer experience overall. If MOL is indeed dead set on making space even more of a premium there may be more people who decide to think like that. Can't knock low fares at all and good luck to them but lots of people also will only take the idea off low fares and cattle class so far before it becomes unpalatable and feel that paying extra represents more value for the way they will be treated.

I think people should stop being so ignorant and instead of going on rumours and 'cattle class' comments, they should actually fly Ryanair and find out for themselves that its on par with Aer Lingus if not better. I fly with 3 airlines from DUB and out of the 3 for me it'd be BA, FR and then EI, I have found less customer service from EI then both BA and FR together.

billie1b

billie1b wrote: »

I think people should stop being so ignorant and instead of going on rumours and 'cattle class' comments, they should actually fly Ryanair and find out for themselves that its on par with Aer Lingus if not better. I fly with 3 airlines from DUB and out of the 3 for me it'd be BA, FR and then EI, I have found less customer service from EI then both BA and FR together.

Fully agree on EI and FR, never had an issue with FR in fact they have always been great. EI on the other hand continuously strive to annoy me.

I'm 6ft and I don't particularly look forward to being stuffed into a max.

Strumms

billie1b wrote: »

I think people should stop being so ignorant and instead of going on rumours and 'cattle class' comments, they should actually fly Ryanair and find out for themselves that its on par with Aer Lingus if not better. I fly with 3 airlines from DUB and out of the 3 for me it'd be BA, FR and then EI, I have found less customer service from EI then both BA and FR together.

it's not a matter of ignorance Billie. I fly Ryanair on pretty much a monthly basis and EI the same as well as sporadicly on other carriers such as Iberia and BA. So my opinion is based on my own experiences. Your opinion is just as valid and I respect that but it is wrong to suggest people form such opinions out of ignorance. Maybe some will, the majority won't and the people who I refer to are seasoned travellers and have travelled FR.

Out of the many many flights I've taken over the course of this year the best individual experience was BA and the worst probably EI. Over the whole year the best has been EI by a long shot, I enjoy flying with them and their staff are very good. That's not to say FR don't have their plus points but as a consumer my preferred airline is EI. As consumers we are entitled to have a personal preference although why some get offended by that is beyond me.

L1011

billie1b wrote: »

I think people should stop being so ignorant and instead of going on rumours and 'cattle class' comments, they should actually fly Ryanair and find out for themselves that its on par with Aer Lingus if not better. I fly with 3 airlines from DUB and out of the 3 for me it'd be BA, FR and then EI, I have found less customer service from EI then both BA and FR together.

My opinions on Ryanair are based entirely on experience using them. I've not used them since 2010 and I've since booked in part to see what the new tack in customer service has delivered - that, and they were selling massively below-cost (€20 return when the UK APD alone would be €16.50).

Ryanair of <2010 were not on a par with Aer Lingus in any way, shape or form on my flights with them. I can't compare like with like after 2010 as I've only experienced one side.

Preset No.3

billie1b wrote: »

they should actually fly Ryanair and find out for themselves that its on par with Aer Lingus if not better.

Ah here!

Tenger

Any chance we can try to focus on the B737MAX capacity increase to 200 rather than our personal opinions of Ryanair?

I realise that for most of us the increase with impact our experiences on FR in the future but I don't want this to turn into an FR vs BA vs EI debate. (Even though the last few posters have been mature enough to state their personal opinions as just that rather than bashing the airline)

I have already had to ask people to stay on topic. Perhaps once we get a delivery date for the FR 200 seater's we can focus on that issue

billie1b

Preset No.3 wrote: »

Ah here!

Easy!

rameire

is this the plane that brings Ryanair into reach of New York from Dublin?

as shown in this pic


http://static.cdn-seekingalpha.com/uploads/2013/9/9932311_13787733778973_0.png

billie1b

Tenger wrote: »

Any chance we can try to focus on the B737MAX capacity increase to 200 rather than our personal opinions of Ryanair?

I realise that for most of us the increase with impact our experiences on FR in the future but I don't want this to turn into an FR vs BA vs EI debate. (Even though the last few posters have been mature enough to state their personal opinions as just that rather than bashing the airline)

I have already had to ask people to stay on topic. Perhaps once we get a delivery date for the FR 200 seater's we can focus on that issue

Sorry, I wasn't attacking anyone personally, just as you said giving my opinion, I respect other peoples personal experiences/opinions too, I wasn't naming Strumms as ignorant, as from previous posts I knew he/she travels with numerous airlines, FR included, I just meant that there are a large number of people who refuse to fly FR mainly due to ignorance.

L1011

rameire wrote: »

is this the plane that brings Ryanair into reach of New York from Dublin?

Probably not at 200 passengers, no.

737MAX/320NEO are very interesting craft for airlines who already use 757-200s, particularly EI and FI due to the advantages of Ireland and Iceland geographically but they're not a plane that'll be able to swap from being used on Euro LCC duties to flying across the Atlantic on its next rotation.

man98

Didn't MOL say something along the lines of 'I'm not going to buy the 737 MAX'? This was a while back. Anyway, I haven't flown Ryanair in ages, probably will use them next summer though. It'll be interesting to see whether an increase to 200 seats will draw A320 NEO customers toward Boeing.

L1011

man98 wrote: »

Didn't MOL say something along the lines of 'I'm not going to buy the 737 MAX'? This was a while back. Anyway, I haven't flown Ryanair in ages, probably will use them next summer though. It'll be interesting to see whether an increase to 200 seats will draw A320 NEO customers toward Boeing.

I think that was in relation to the last order - which they needed much sooner than MAX deliveries due to growth. The first are about to arrive now

Strumms

My next 3 work trips which are fairly imminent will be with FR.. Interesting to see if I'll get to travel on one of the newer 73s. Any insiders know if there is much difference to the previous cabin ? I'm just guessing that they didn't order the sky interior option. Then again I wonder does that come as standard with the MAX or is that going to be something different altogether..

L1011

Strumms wrote: »

My next 3 work trips which are fairly imminent will be with FR.. Interesting to see if I'll get to travel on one of the newer 73s. Any insiders know if there is much difference to the previous cabin ? I'm just guessing that they didn't order the sky interior option. Then again I wonder does that come as standard with the MAX or is that going to be something different altogether..

The soon to start deliveries of 737s are identical to the existing ones in every way bar the Boeing order code - they're 737-8MD rather than 737-8AS.

The MAX hasn't even rolled out but I'd imagine the Sky Interior will be the basic, if they've not changed it by then.

smurfjed

Rameire, the prevailing winds are in the other direction, so while they may show New York - London, going the other way will be a pain.
So the -max is going up to 200 seats, how? is the fuselage getting stretched or just removing leg room? As for the idea of removing the toilets from the back, do they really want 200 people with only 1 toilet?

billie1b

smurfjed wrote: »

So the -max is going up to 200 seats, how? is the fuselage getting stretched or just removing leg room? As for the idea of removing the toilets from the back, do they really want 200 people with only 1 toilet?

Seat pitch on the 738 is 30 inches, on the 73 Max8 it will be 29 inches. The 738 is 129.6ft and the Max8 is 129.8ft, not much in the difference.

I was thinking to myself, he's paying $10billion for the 100 a/c, with the list price it doesn't seem to be that big of a discount (a very big discount to normal people but not airlines with bulk orders), I wonder will they get the 737 MAX9 which would give a bigger discount and configure that a/c to the 200 seat configuration, the MAX9 is 10ft longer than the MAX8, seat pitch could work out about 32 inches then

man98

billie1b wrote: »

Seat pitch on the 738 is 30 inches, on the 73 Max8 it will be 29 inches. The 738 is 129.6ft and the Max8 is 129.8ft, not much in the difference.

I was thinking to myself, he's paying $10billion for the 100 a/c, with the list price it doesn't seem to be that big of a discount (a very big discount to normal people but not airlines with bulk orders), I wonder will they get the 737 MAX9 which would give a bigger discount and configure that a/c to the 200 seat configuration, the MAX9 is 10ft longer than the MAX8, seat pitch could work out about 32 inches then

Sounds a bit too generous! You're forgetting MOL would add Premium Economy, too get a few euro extra.

andy_g

man98 wrote: »

Sounds a bit too generous! You're forgetting MOL would add Premium Economy, too get a few euro extra.

No plans for Premium Economy at present so conspiracy theory that way please ---> :P

Lapin

jamo2oo9 wrote: »

As long as the tickets remain cheap, people will still fly with Ryanair regardless of how much room they have to bare with

Spot on.

Although it always makes me laugh when I hear of people who think nothing of sitting on a cramped bus for over two hours to get to an airport and then complain about the leg room on the 50 minute flight they're catching.

eatmyshorts

Lapin wrote: »

Spot on.

Although it always makes me laugh when I hear of people who think nothing of sitting on a cramped bus for over two hours to get to an airport and then complain about the leg room on the 50 minute flight they're catching.

Even worse are those who pay 50 euro for a taxi trip across the city to the airport, then complain about the "extortionate" 100 euro plane ticket to the Costa del Skobie in Spain.

man98

andy_g wrote: »

No plans for Premium Economy at present so conspiracy theory that way please ---> :P

http://www.ryanair.com/ie/questions/which-seats-can-i-select/ I'm talking about the larger legroom.

L1011

man98 wrote: »

http://www.ryanair.com/ie/questions/which-seats-can-i-select/ I'm talking about the larger legroom.

Those are larger due to physical constraints, not any decision to have seats with more legroom. Exit rows have to be a certain minimum width, and the bulkhead seats can't be as close to the bulkhead as normal pitch would have them or else people would have trouble sitting in them at all - as it is, as someone of abnormal height I can't sit in bulkhead seats either - nowhere for my legs to go.

highlydebased

MYOB wrote: »

The soon to start deliveries of 737s are identical to the existing ones in every way bar the Boeing order code - they're 737-8MD rather than 737-8AS.

The MAX hasn't even rolled out but I'd imagine the Sky Interior will be the basic, if they've not changed it by then.

Apparently the yellow interior is gone- so I wonder will there be any other differences?

man98

That yellow interior looked unbelievably tacky. I'd say maybe subtle differences, it is 20 years since the -800 was designed.

fr336

fr336

Eponymous

Speaking as someone not in the business, would it really be worth it for FR to buy these?

11 extra seats is all well and good, but I can't remember the last time I was on a full to capacity flight with FR (or EI, for that matter). If an airline isn't consistently filling all the seats on its flights currently, why would you spend money on new equipment with more seats likely to be sitting idle? No income from empty seats, is one thing, but the additional weight would impact the fuel costs too, wouldn't it?

fr336

Press release from Ryanair

RYANAIR PLACES ORDER FOR UP TO 200 BOEING 737 MAX 200

100 firm orders, 100 options

First delivery in 2019 and will facilitate growth from 112m customers in 2019 to 150m by 2024

http://corporate.ryanair.com/news/news/14908-ryanair-places-order-for-up-to-200-new-boeing-737-max-200-aircraft-worth-up-to-22bn/?market=en

L1011

fr336 wrote: »

Press release from Ryanair

RYANAIR PLACES ORDER FOR UP TO 200 BOEING 737 MAX 200

100 firm orders, 100 options

http://corporate.ryanair.com/news/news/14908-ryanair-places-order-for-up-to-200-new-boeing-737-max-200-aircraft-worth-up-to-22bn/?market=en

737 MAX 200 - didn't realise they were doing a MAX in the 120-seater size range :pac:

(yes, I know it means MAX8 200 seat option)

fr336

197 seats (8 more than Ryanair’s existing 189 seat fleet)
New Boeing Sky Interior to enhance customers’ onboard experience
New slimline seats which will provide more leg room (avg. over 30 inches)
New CFM LEAP-1B engines, which combined with the Advanced Technology winglet and other aerodynamic improvements, will reduce fuel consumption by up to 18% in Ryanair’s configuration and reduce operational noise emissions by 40%

Represents the largest ever capital investment by an Irish company in US manufacturing and jobs.