What organisation will be targeted next? Gays march under gay banner on March 17

WilyCoyote

Now that our Rainbow Friends have achieved their objectives in New York ....... where is the next arena?
Anyone that mentions ISIS will be regarded as a troll.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/04/nyregion/new-york-st-patricks-day-parade-organizers-lift-ban-on-gay-groups.html?emc=edit_ur_20140904&nl=nyregion&nlid=57467076&_r=0

5uspect

ISIS.

bodice ripper

my gay agenda? your daughter is next.

snubbleste

Straights to march under straight banner

Nodin

I was going to say something foul involving the fact that banners are flappy yokes, but decided to spare ye all.

Annasopra

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ervtik_7jYQ

crockholm

It's what St.Patrick himself would have wanted,what with him being an evangelical christian and all.

And in this new era of accecptance and willingness to compromise with those who don't share your own weltanschauung perhaps the organisers of the Stockholm pride parade will allow SD members to march openly too under their banner (like all the other parties can).

Timmyctc

While its considered an oul victory. I think St Paddy's day parades are ****e.

How Soon Is Now

Timmyctc wrote: »

While its considered an oul victory. I think St Paddy's day parades are ****e.

All parades are pure ****e no matter who there for!.

WilyCoyote

crockholm wrote: »

It's what St.Patrick himself would have wanted,what with him being an evangelical christian and all.

And in this new era of accecptance and willingness to compromise with those who don't share your own weltanschauung perhaps the organisers of the Stockholm pride parade will allow SD members to march openly too under their banner (like all the other parties can).

Jasus, I skimmed through your post and thought you meant Stockholm syndrome. Then there'd be no reason for banners of any hue or cry. The whole world would be gay ....... by degrees

WilyCoyote

5uspect wrote: »

ISIS.

Thought you lured me in .......... you're a poet - not a troll

I Say I Say

Anyone here had a go at themselves
for a laugh? Anyone opened their wrists
with a blade in the bath? Those in the dark
at the back, listen hard. Those at the front
in the know, those of us who have, hands up,
let's show that inch of lacerated skin
between the forearm and the fist. Let's tell it
like it is: strong drink, a crimson tidemark
round the tub, a yard of lint, white towels
washed a dozen times, still pink. Tough luck.
A passion then for watches, bangles, cuffs.
A likely story: you were lashed by brambles
picking berries from the woods. Come clean, come good,
repeat with me the punch line 'Just like blood'
when those at the back rush forward to say
how a little love goes a long long long way.

ToddyDoody

Crazy idea, maybe gays and their families... brothers, sisters, parents, aunts, uncles, nieces, nephews etc would work better in any proposal for an Irish St. Patrick's day march (note: I am gay myself, proud... just think its sometimes we're a lot to foist upon communities. Not a fan of alienating ppl etc.)

Donkey Oaty

From the NYT article

“It is a shameful and sinful capitulation by the parade organizers and Cardinal Dolan,” Pat Archbold wrote in an opinion piece published by the National Catholic Register. “If a parade that is meant to honor a great saint is being used to promote a sinful agenda, it should be canceled rather than allow it to be used in such a way.”

I disagree with that. Call me controversial, but I classify St Patrick as a good saint, not a great one.

Mint Aero

What's it all about anyway I thought to myself. The gays want to March in March? But sure isn't that a time for the dragons and bands a piping to march, why do the gays need to march. What do they bring to the parade apart from the fact they're gay? Dont they have the gay pride thing? That's on in Dublin every 2 or 3 weeks?

If the Man who owns the parade says right march this year, will they go away then and let the parade continue thereafter in what is supposed to be a march of Narnia.

Annasopra

The world didnt end when a few lgbt people marched in Paddys day parade in Longford.

Hotfail.com

If they're letting the gays march under the gay banner then they should let every movement march under their own banner if they wish

It made complete sense to stop them from marching, the parades shouldn't be used to promote anyone's agenda.

robbiezero

WilyCoyote wrote: »

Now that our Rainbow Friends have achieved their objectives in New York ....... where is the next arena?
Anyone that mentions ISIS will be regarded as a troll.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/04/nyregion/new-york-st-patricks-day-parade-organizers-lift-ban-on-gay-groups.html?emc=edit_ur_20140904&nl=nyregion&nlid=57467076&_r=0

Surely a few more bakers they can target or butchers or something.

Scruffy...The Janitor

Hotfail.com wrote: »

If they're letting the gays march under the gay banner then they should let every movement march under their own banner if they wish

It made complete sense to stop them from marching, the parades shouldn't be used to promote anyone's agenda.

They're not marching under any 'gay' banner. The ban was on lgbt groups marching and identifying themselves as an lgbt group. The groups don't want to represent gay people as a whole, they want to represent the social group that they are a part of.

I know you may be thinking of them marching through Manhattan, dressed in very little and waving rainbow flags while screaming for acceptance, as i've heard from some people to be the general perception of gay pride parades, but the ban meant that even if an lgbt group copied another participating group, dressed the same, acted the same, did exactly the same things, then they would not be allowed to take part and identify themselves purely because they are an lgbt group. That's the very definition of discrimination.

It's not about promoting an agenda any more than the average participant is there to promote the 'straight agenda'. It's about being allowed to do the same as everyone else and being allowed to identify themselves the same way everyone else is. Equality. Not agendas.

Hotfail.com

Scruffy...The Janitor wrote: »

They're not marching under any 'gay' banner. The ban was on lgbt groups marching and identifying themselves as an lgbt group. The groups don't want to represent gay people as a whole, they want to represent the social group that they are a part of.

I know you may be thinking of them marching through Manhattan, dressed in very little and waving rainbow flags while screaming for acceptance, as i've heard from some people to be the general perception of gay pride parades, but the ban meant that even if an lgbt group copied another participating group, dressed the same, acted the same, did exactly the same things, then they would not be allowed to take part and identify themselves purely because they are an lgbt group. That's the very definition of discrimination.

It's not about promoting an agenda any more than the average participant is there to promote the 'straight agenda'. It's about being allowed to do the same as everyone else and being allowed to identify themselves the same way everyone else is. Equality. Not agendas.

I thought the ban was in relation to any group which had political undertones?

Scruffy...The Janitor

Hotfail.com wrote: »

I thought the ban was in relation to any group which had political undertones?

There may be a ban like that too i'm not very au fait with all the rules of the new york parade tbh. But the ban that has just been ended was specifically on lgbt groups taking part in the parade in any way shape or form and identifying themselves as an lgbt group.

bodice ripper

Hotfail.com wrote: »

I thought the ban was in relation to any group which had political undertones?

"England out of Ireland" as carried by people who've never set foot on the island is fine, so open season I say.

Hotfail.com

Scruffy...The Janitor wrote: »

There may be a ban like that too i'm not very au fait with all the rules of the new york parade tbh. But the ban that has just been ended was specifically on lgbt groups taking part in the parade in any way shape or form and identifying themselves as an lgbt group.

Didn't know that.

I still think that any group which is "canvassing" for any sort of change shouldn't be allowed to take part as to prevent the parade becoming politicised, but if they're going to be picking and choosing what they'll allow then the LGBT groups had every right to feel aggrieved imo.

Nodin

Hotfail.com wrote: »

I thought the ban was in relation to any group which had political undertones?

It's a ban on people they don't like. Shower of chancers conflating being Irish with being Catholic. I've no time for them.

bodice ripper

Mint Aero wrote: »

If the Man who owns the parade says right march this year, will they go away then and let the parade continue thereafter in what is supposed to be a march of Narnia.

It's not about who owns the parade. the issue is who owns Fifth Avenue, and the right to shut it down for a "private event".

P_1

Paddy's Day parades are supposed to be a celebration of the better traits of Irish society not of a religious figure. Quite what a group of Americans think they're doing in attempting to define what such a celebration should entail when their only connection to the place is their great, great, great......, great grandparents used to live here is beyond me.

Scruffy...The Janitor

Hotfail.com wrote: »

Didn't know that.

I still think that any group which is "canvassing" for any sort of change shouldn't be allowed to take part as to prevent the parade becoming politicised, but if they're going to be picking and choosing what they'll allow then the LGBT groups had every right to feel aggrieved imo.

I totally agree. I wouldn't want any lgbt group trying to turn the parade in to a mini gay pride or civil rights march and then have the audacity to try to claim they were representing me. Stuff like that has a time and a place and its not St. Patricks day. I do think it's repugnant tho to blanket ban any group because of who they are

Annasopra

Hotfail.com wrote: »

Didn't know that.

I still think that any group which is "canvassing" for any sort of change shouldn't be allowed to take part as to prevent the parade becoming politicised, but if they're going to be picking and choosing what they'll allow then the LGBT groups had every right to feel aggrieved imo.

Absolutely I mean "England out of Ireland" isnt political at all

Hotfail.com

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Absolutely I mean "England out of Ireland" isnt political at all

They shouldn't be allowed near it either.

stmol32

snubbleste wrote: »

Straights to march under straight banner

All banners are straight... the floppy ones are called flags.

P_1

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Absolutely I mean "England out of Ireland" isnt political at all

Some political statements are more political than others in the eye of the 8th Generation American getting misty eyed about the 'old sod'

Annasopra

Scruffy...The Janitor wrote: »

I totally agree. I wouldn't want any lgbt group trying to turn the parade in to a mini gay pride or civil rights march and then have the audacity to try to claim they were representing me.

That hasnt happened in Dublin or Cork or Longford or Toronto

Scruffy...The Janitor

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

That hasnt happened in Dublin or Cork or Longford or Toronto

Oh I know. And I wouldn't suggest that it would happen in New York either. But Hotfail.com thought the crux of the issue was lgbt groups wanting to politicise the parade. I was just saying that that's not what it was about at all. And I for one, would have no interest in it being politicised, but that I would staunchly argue for the right of inclusion.

Shakespeare's Sister

bodice ripper wrote: »

It's not about who owns the parade. the issue is who owns Fifth Avenue, and the right to shut it down for a "private event".

Exactly. It's city hall's remit surely, rather than some private organisation's. I mean, I know the public sector isn't a big thing in the US, but jeez there needs to be some municipal control.

Annasopra

Shakespeare's Sister wrote: »

Exactly. It's city hall's remit surely, rather than some private organisation's.

No. The parade is run by the Ancient Order of Hibernian. It's privately run.

endacl

snubbleste wrote: »

Straights to march under straight banner

Bocketies to march under bockety banner.

Manach

Well the truth divinities of the Americas, the gods of the greasy till, have spoken and so it shall come to pass that none dare stand against the LGBTqwerty lobbyists.

Scruffy...The Janitor

Manach wrote: »

Well the truth divinities of the Americas, the gods of the greasy till, have spoken and so it shall come to pass that none dare stand against the LGBTqwerty lobbyists.

Because heaven forbid that people should have an expectation of not being discriminated against.

endacl

Manach wrote: »

Well the truth divinities of the Americas, the gods of the greasy till, have spoken and so it shall come to pass that none dare stand against the LGBTqwerty lobbyists.

Fair play to the gods of the greasy till. More power to their collective elbow.

bodice ripper

Manach wrote: »

Well the truth divinities of the Americas, the gods of the greasy till, have spoken and so it shall come to pass that none dare stand against the LGBTqwerty lobbyists.

You better be wearing a 'the end is nigh" board and a tinfoil hat as you type that. Otherwise it might be taken out of context...

Annasopra

bodice ripper wrote: »

You better be wearing a 'the end is nigh" board and a tinfoil hat as you type that. Otherwise it might be taken out of context...

I think he was serious

ruthloss

crockholm wrote: »

It's what St.Patrick himself would have wanted,what with him being an evangelical christian and all.

And him wearing his long frock and matching hat.

WilyCoyote

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Well done Joey. You say it best

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SCOimBo5tg

Colinf1212

P_1 wrote: »

Paddy's Day parades are supposed to be a celebration of the better traits of Irish society not of a religious figure. Quite what a group of Americans think they're doing in attempting to define what such a celebration should entail when their only connection to the place is their great, great, great......, great grandparents used to live here is beyond me.

So St Patrick's Day should only be defined by people born on a specific area of landmass? That's what you're actually saying?

Their ancestors probably took part in Patrick's day parades in America through generation after generation more than yours ever did in Ireland. Culture is mobile. Deal with it.

Annasopra

WilyCoyote wrote: »

Well done Joey. You say it best

You'll probably need your dodo back soon

Buona Fortuna

Has anyone suggested a parades commission?

I hear that works well in other places.

WilyCoyote

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

You'll probably need your dodo back soon

Spat it out with my false teeth yonks ago.

RobYourBuilder

Nodin wrote: »

It's a ban on people they don't like. Shower of chancers conflating being Irish with being Catholic. I've no time for them.

The parade is run and organised by an Irish-American Catholic organisation.

Nodin

RobYourBuilder wrote: »

The parade is run and organised by an Irish-American Catholic organisation.

Yes it is.

PopePalpatine

Manach wrote: »

Well the truth divinities of the Americas, the gods of the greasy till, have spoken and so it shall come to pass that none dare stand against the LGBTqwerty lobbyists.

Boo-hoo.

I'd imagine that if you took a wrong turn in 1970s Belfast, I don't know what would kill you first - loyalists or a quick suicide.

Irish Guitarist

I think people who are into climacophilia, acrotomophilia and formicophilia should also march in the parade.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

WilyCoyote wrote: »

Now that our Rainbow Friends have achieved their objectives in New York ....... where is the next arena?
Anyone that mentions ISIS will be regarded as a troll.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/04/nyregion/new-york-st-patricks-day-parade-organizers-lift-ban-on-gay-groups.html?emc=edit_ur_20140904&nl=nyregion&nlid=57467076&_r=0

I'm sorry, but you pretty much opened the thread up for trolling with the title and what have you got against Archer?