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MargeS

I want get as much info as possible before registering on ancestry.co.uk to maximise my 14 free days. Is the info on ancestry.co.uk worth the effort?

L1011

Do you have English or Welsh records you need to get? Otherwise barely. US records aren't covered in the trial for instance

Coolnabacky1873

It's always a good idea to have a look at the Card Catalog(ue) [this link is from the .com verson of Ancestry but I applied a United Kingdom filter] to look at the names of the record databases and see if they apply to your research, geographically any by relevant decade. That can help you decide.

There is also a decent amount of overlap between Ancestry and Familysearch databases so make sure you thoroughly exhaust Familysearch.

MargeS

I thought ancestry.co.uk covered the Irish records also.
I was hoping that if ancestry.co.uk and Familysearch did overlap, then on ancestry.co.uk I could pay to view the actual record.
There is no way to view the record on Familysearch. I was thinking ancestry.co.uk would be quicker than contacting the GRO.

I have a record where the maiden name is Rawley, but I *think* that the name may be Lowery and is badly recorded.
Based on another record that might be another son. I think I am stuck now.. I'm at great, great generation.

Coolnabacky1873

MargeS wrote: »

I was thinking ancestry.co.uk would be quicker than contacting the GRO.

From this, I presume you are interested in a Civil Registration cert? I'm pretty sure Ancestry do not have any digital images of birth, marriage, or death certificates from Ireland. They have Civil Registration indexes, transcriptions from some Civil Registration certs (mostly in the 1864-1880s time period) and indexed scans from a diverse range of Catholic parish registers.

If you want a Civil registration cert then the only two options are apply to the GRO or get the LDS microfilm, if they have the relevant years microfilmed (RootsIreland also has some transcribed Civil Registration records).

L1011

MargeS wrote: »

I thought ancestry.co.uk covered the Irish records also.

It does, but little that isn't free elsewhere. It has the "early Irish baptisms" which are handy for certain areas only - http://search.ancestry.ie/search/db.aspx?dbid=2533 but the bulk of those are on Familysearch anyway.

MargeS wrote: »

There is no way to view the record on Familysearch. I was thinking ancestry.co.uk would be quicker than contacting the GRO.

In the case of certificates, Ancestry uses the same index and the only advantage it has is that it lists the other spouses on the same index page for weddings.

Jellybaby1

Ancestry.co.uk was helpful to me because my earliest records I could not find here in Irish records, when I searched on Ancestry I found my people were born and married in Ireland, went to England, had their children there, and then returned to Ireland, I also found them on UK census returns which confirmed all the correct names and ages of the children confirming I had the right family and the parents born in Ireland. I also found some army and navy records. Don't know if I can get much more now on co.uk. Does anyone know if I can just subscribe for a U.S. Ancestry site only or do I have to take out the worldwide sub (far too expensive for me) as I think America is my next
port of call?

Ponster

You can just use the access you have to find the records that you want and then request for someone else with the access to get them for you.

KildareFan

Ancestry has original baptismal registers for some churches - not just transcriptios - for example St Andrew's RC in Dublin which has 1000s of names; it also has the baptismal register for Inishbofin, which was helpful for me. This is the list of parishes for which they have the original registers:

Addergoole
Allen
Annacarty
Armagh
Aughrim
Backs
Ballina (Ardnaree)
Ballina (Kilmoremoy)
Ballinakill
Ballon and Rathoe
Ballyadams
Ballybricken
Ballyconneely
Ballyfin
Baltinglass
Bangor Erris
Belmullet
Beragh
Caherlistrane (Donaghpatrick and Kilcooney)
Canice's (Finglas and St Margaret)
Cappawhite
Carlingford
Carlingford and Omeath
Carnaross
Castlebar
Castleconnor
Claddaghduff (Omey and Ballindoon)
Clifden
Coalisland
Cooley
Crossmolina
Darver
Donaghmore
Easkey
Emly
Golden
Golden and Kilpack
Inishboffin
Kilcloon
Kilcommon Erris
Kilcurry
Kilcurry (Bridgeacrin)
Kilcurry (Faughart)
Kilglass
Kill
Killala
Killursa
Kilmacshalgan
Knockmore and Rathduff
Lackagh
Lacken
Louisburgh
Louisburgh (Kilgeever)
Louth
Magherafelt
Malahide
Moneymore
Mountrath
Moy
Moy (Clonfeacle)
Mullingar
Naas
Portlaoise (Maryborough)
Rathangan
Rathvilly
Skreen and Dromard
Summerhill
Termonmaguirc
Tinryland
Tourlestrane
Tourlestrane (Kilmactigue)
Tullow
Westland Row

conorh91

MargeS wrote: »

I have a record where the maiden name is Rawley, but I *think* that the name may be Lowery and is badly recorded.

Is it handwritten?

Don't rule out Hawley, Hanly/Hanley, or Raleigh. They would have been my first alternatives I'd come up with, but maybe Lowry has personal significance to your search.

Sometimes I just want to go back in time and grab some Parish Priests by the shoulders and say "please write more clearly in the Register!".

MargeS

In the 1901 Census there are 5 persons in the house - 2 adults, 4 children.
One of the children Thomas is my great grandfather and I have his exact DoB, 14 Oct 1879.
I found him on FamilySearch and it says his mothers maiden name is Rawley.

But I crossed checked this by searching for another child Patrick, who according to the Census was one year older. Making his DoB 1878 approx. I found a Patrick on FamilySearch and it says his mothers maiden name is Lowery.

So I'm wondering if Rawley was incorrectly recorded OR am I being too presumptuous?

Ponster

Why not get the marriage cert of Thomas's mother to confirm ?

MargeS

Just a quick update.... I bought a baptism cert on RootsIreland and confirmed that it was Lowry and not Rawley!

I think I am starting to get the hang of this. Sometimes I can't see the wood for the trees. Now I understand what genealogists do!
As frustrating as it is, the little wins keep you going...

pinkypinky

Hmm, small spanner to put in the works but Rootsireland does only have transcripts. Since there is a confusion about the name, I'd want eyes on the civil cert as well to be sure.

KildareFan

Hi

You haven't mentioned your grandfathers surname. I've checked the baptisms on Ancestry.co & I've found three baptisms for a child of Bridget Lowry/Lowery and a father, Thomas, with the same surname as the father of Thomas, son of Bridget Rawley born on the date you give above [I agree that it is likely that Rawley has been incorrectly transcribed]:
Bridget , b. 18 Oct 1874, parents Bridget Lowry and Thomas, location transcribed as 'Lunny Bank'
Mary, b. 28 Sep 1875, Dublin, parents Bridget Lowry and Thomas
Patrick, b. 28 Apr 1878, parents Bridget Lowery and Thomas no location given.

There is a marriage for Thomas and Bridget Lowery 1873 which may be of interest; the certificate details [available from GRO] are Dublin North, 1873, Vol 12, p652.

I can find only one Thomas with the relevant surname for the fourth quarter of 1879
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1879; Registration district: Rathdown
Volume: 2; Page: 860
Note: Rathdown district refers to South County Dublin see http://www.irish-genealogy-toolkit.com/Ireland-civil-registration.html for details.

Hope this helps. If your ancestors were from Dublin, you may be able to find free records of births and baptisms on www.irishgenealogy.ie

Other than that, it would be worth using the 14 day trial to find out as much as you can.

shanew

That 1879 extracted civil birth appears to cross-match with a baptism in Bray RC parish in Co. Wicklow. Parents first names match, and mother's maiden name is matching Lowry or Lowrey.

(Rathdown district also covers part of North Co. Wicklow)

Coolnabacky1873

pinkypinky wrote: »

I'd want eyes on the civil cert as well to be sure.

Strongly second this in all cases. Copy of original record, if possible, over index or transcription every time.

shanew

baptisms for a total of eight children for that couple between 1874 and 1889, all Bray RC parish

this appears to be the family that match on the 1901 census , at Ravenswell Road, Bray. Some of the family list Co. Dublin as place of birth so maybe they lived in the north of the town, i.e. Little Bray - the county border moved in this area slightly in 1898

MargeS

Wow, that's impressive research work!
I believe you are all right. I've requested the civil cert from the GRO, so it will be interesting to see what comes back.

MargeS

shanew wrote: »

baptisms for a total of eight children for that couple between 1874 and 1889, all Bray RC parish

Where did you get this info ShaneW, I though Church records were only available for;
Carlow(COI)
Cork & Ross (RC)
Dublin(COI)
Dublin (PRESBY.)
Dublin(RC)
Kerry(COI)
Kerry(RC)?

shanew

The RootsIreland records for the Bray area are all parish transcripts as far as I know so another take of the details of these events vs the extracted civil records on FamilySearch. The FamilySearch films of the civil registers may be unclear, or some records hard to read. I have Bray connections so familiar with the area and one of the place/district names given on the extracted records i.e. 'Lunny Bank' makes no sense to me..

The civil record will include some details not included on an RC baptism, e.g. father's occupation, and sometimes a more detailed address. The Bray RC registers often dont include any address, or sometimes a very basic one like 'Bray'.

Dont know where you are located, but the Bray RC films are available to view in the National Library free of charge, although suspect with the King's Co. reference for Bridget you may end up widening your search a little..

There were burial records for St. Peter's, Little Bray online, which might have been relevant given the Dublin/Bray clues, that may show some details of the family but there seems to be a problem with the site at the moment. (St. Peter's Little Bray opened back in the 1860s, but only became a separate parish recently)

shanew

MargeS wrote: »

Where did you get this info ShaneW, I though Church records were only available for;
Carlow(COI)
Cork & Ross (RC)
Dublin(COI)
Dublin (PRESBY.)
Dublin(RC)
Kerry(COI)
Kerry(RC)?

RootsIreland - all from the free index

pinkypinky

MargeS,

The records you refer to are the ones on irishgenealogy.ie and free. Rootsireland.ie is a pay per view site with many other parish records covering different locations. Shanew is a whizz with the search engine.


PP

MargeS

pinkypinky wrote: »

Shanew is a whizz with the search engine.

You can say that again, it took *several* goes before I could replicate his search parameters. But I'm learning...

owenc

Ancestry is so American orientated and hard to naviate so I gave up with the free trial!

There is too much data on this site!

Ponster

owenc wrote: »

Ancestry is so American orientated and hard to naviate so I gave up with the free trial!

There is too much data on this site!

Log into Ancestry.co.uk so the default searches focus on European records. Saves a few seconds.

Hermy

owenc wrote: »

There is too much data on this site!

There is never too much data!:p

owenc

Well its all cluttered and confusing on that site plus the free trail is for Americans.

L1011

owenc wrote: »

Well its all cluttered and confusing on that site plus the free trail is for Americans.

There's a free trial for the UK/Ireland site also.

pedroeibar1

A couple of months ago I had to upgrade my Ancestry/Familytreemaker (new computer) ... program kept crashing and since yesterday I've been locked out of it and cannot open any files. I need to get it sorted but the head is in the wrong place for that right now.
Google search suggests lots of others have had the same issue.

KildareFan

My Irishgenealogy link wasn't working yesterday; I found Bridget and Thomas's marriage in St Andrews RC, Dublin, 25 Aug 1873, http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/9dd1780025936
Thomas's parents were dead, Bridget, her parents and witness all appear to have been living at 24 South King Street. The copy of the actual register is at http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=st_andrews_mf_1838-1880_ma_0459.

MargeS

If Thomas was born in Wicklow and Bridget was born in Kings Co, I'm not sure why they would have been married in Dublin. Their descendants all appear to be based in Bray.

shanew

Where different counties of birth for a couple as in this case it's quite common to see the marriage in a separate county where they both ended up, and Dublin city would be a place many people moved to for work opportunities etc.

The marriage shows Bridget's parents were living in Dublin city at the time of the marriage so looks like her family moved there from Co. Offaly, and it's not that far for Thomas to have moved either.

The time and full names fit, so I certainly believe that these are 'your' Thomas and Bridget.

shanew

p.s. the grooms first name is difficult to make out on that record but the details fit with the BMD Index reference with page 652 mentioned by KildareFan earlier. The district for this is Dublin South so would fit with a marriage in St. Andrews. The names of potential brides and grooms for that reference include a Bridget Lowrey and a Thomas 'Keough'

KildareFan

Of interest is that a Mary Lowry and MIchael Lane, 24 South King St, had a son Patrick Joseph Lane baptised in St Andrew's RC, in 1871. http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/ef12cb0238253
Sponsors Philip Grace and Julia Deegan

Mary Lane was a sponsor at Thomas's baptism, and living at the same address, so presumably she was Bridget's sister.

Michael Lane, son of Godfrey Lane, aged 19, married Mary Lowry on 27 Nov 1866, Dublin North city [from Ireland Select marriages FHL Film Number: 101501 Reference ID: 633] Civil Index Dublin North, 1866 Volume: 17; Page Number: 633

If you find this birth cert you can see if the Mary Lowry's father's details match.

Other children for Michael and Mary
1874 Esther http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/7f8ed20242173
1877 Anne http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/89c24a0246123
1879 Bridget http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/00bc260248394
1881 Catherine http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/0af6e50250559

MargeS

KildareFan, so because Mary Lane had the same address as Bridget, you searched for Mary Lane assuming that she was the sister?

I never thought of that as a clue or another search line.
I'd make a poor detective

KildareFan

MargeS wrote: »

KildareFan, so because Mary Lane had the same address as Bridget, you searched for Mary Lane assuming that she was the sister?

I never thought of that as a clue or another search line.
I'd make a poor detective

I always try to find out who the witnesses were - they are usually close relations or friends and they can lead to more information. Same with sponsors at baptisms.

I haven't found the Lanes in the 1901 census, so they may have emigrated.

The St Andrews RC register for Thomas and Bridget's marriage gave 24 Sth King Street as the address of Bridget's parents as well. This doesn't necessarily mean that they either Bridget or they were living there - they may have been using Mary and Michael Lane as an accommodation address.