Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 - Mod Note in OP, 1/09

NukaCola

Borini stays to fight for his place and gets nothing but negativity from the majority. He has what 2 sub appearances since coming back? Yet people wont even give him that chance.

I'm as guilty as some by criticising him at times for his performances, and sure 14m would have been a great return for a backup player but it really is a trait of the modern football fan to expect loyalty from players and offer nothing in return. Suarez wanted to leave, still a hero....Borini wants to stay and fight for his place, rubbish get rid.

NukaCola

BenThere wrote: »

How so? What was ironic about it?

Something hilarious about his movement I'm betting......

ASOT

NukaCola wrote: »

Borini stays to fight for his place and gets nothing but negativity from the majority. He has what 2 sub appearances since coming back? Yet people wont even give him that chance.

I'm as guilty as some by criticising him at times for his performances, and sure 14m would have been a great return for a backup player but it really is a trait of the modern football fan to expect loyalty from players and offer nothing in return. Suarez wanted to leave, still a hero....Borini wants to stay and fight for his place, rubbish get rid.

People dont have to like him, I never liked him in the first place and was very vocal about that saying he wasnt good enough for us in the first place. The only place i liked him was at Sunderland were he was taking points off our opposition.

Fair enough he wants to stay and fight for his place good on him but that doesnt mean i have to like him or support him. I still dont think hes good enough. Comparing Suarez wanting to leave to Borini wanting to stay is laughable, the love was there for Suarez because what he done for the club, the goals he scored, his workrate. All Borini ever done for anyone was frustrate the life out of them, the only time he had anyone cheering for him was when he was at Sunderland.

punk_one82

ASOT wrote: »

People dont have to like him, I never liked him in the first place and was very vocal about that saying he wasnt good enough for us in the first place. The only place i liked him was at Sunderland were he was taking points off our opposition.

Fair enough he wants to stay and fight for his place good on him but that doesnt mean i have to like him or support him. I still dont think hes good enough. Comparing Suarez wanting to leave to Borini wanting to stay is laughable, the love was there for Suarez because what he done for the club, the goals he scored, his workrate. All Borini ever done for anyone was frustrate the life out of them, the only time he had anyone cheering for him was when he was at Sunderland.

That is incredibly harsh on Borini.

tok9

I want Borini to start at the weekend. I think a good few of us do.

ASOT

punk_one82 wrote: »

That is incredibly harsh on Borini.

Not particularly no, Iv probably watched him more than the majority on here, His best time of football was for swansea or sunderland imo. At Roma he was average and i was surprised when we went in for him. I assumed Rodgers knew him well enough though from there time at Chelsea so i was optimistic when he signed but none of his performances to date for Liverpool have filled me with any confidence atall.

NukaCola

ASOT wrote: »

People dont have to like him, I never liked him in the first place and was very vocal about that saying he wasnt good enough for us in the first place. The only place i liked him was at Sunderland were he was taking points off our opposition.

Fair enough he wants to stay and fight for his place good on him but that doesnt mean i have to like him or support him. I still dont think hes good enough. Comparing Suarez wanting to leave to Borini wanting to stay is laughable, the love was there for Suarez because what he done for the club, the goals he scored, his workrate. All Borini ever done for anyone was frustrate the life out of them, the only time he had anyone cheering for him was when he was at Sunderland.

If you dont want to support an LFC player because you dont like him then thats your own business. Plenty of people have written off players because they thought they weren't good enough. Plenty of players have proved those people wrong and I think Borini has the right to do that.

I wont get into you twisting the Suarez thing, all i'm saying is supporting players is a two way street. You shouldn't be crying when players want to leave and at the same time wanting players out because you deem them not good enough.

NukaCola

tok9 wrote: »

I want Borini to start at the weekend. I think a good few of us do.

I'd start him over Lambert definitely.....

punk_one82

ASOT wrote: »

Not particularly no, Iv probably watched him more than the majority on here, His best time of football was for swansea or sunderland imo. At Roma he was average and i was surprised when we went in for him. I assumed Rodgers knew him well enough though from there time at Chelsea so i was optimistic when he signed but none of his performances to date for Liverpool have filled me with any confidence atall.

First off, saying you've probably watched him more than most is a moot point and one which you can't ever verify. You also implied people love Suarez for his workrate - Borinis work rate has been great in every game he's played for us.

You cheer him on when he's scoring goals against our opposition while playing for Sunderland but won't support him while he plays for us?

I'd have to say you're being quite harsh on him.

ASOT

NukaCola wrote: »

If you dont want to support an LFC player because you dont like him then thats your own business. Plenty of people have written off players because they thought they weren't good enough. Plenty of players have proved those people wrong and I think Borini has the right to do that.

I wont get into you twisting the Suarez thing, all i'm saying is supporting players is a two way street. You shouldn't be crying when players want to leave and at the same time wanting players out because you deem them not good enough.

I hope he comes good for the sake of the club, but i dont think he will thats my point. Obviously i cant see into the future so only time will tell ow it turns out. For the fact alone that BR wanted him sold helps me come to the conclusion hes not good enough.

I was actually the opposite with Suarez were i said he would be better off leaving if he wanted to go especially after the second biting incident, why wouldn't i want players out of i think there not good enough thats the whole point. Its all opinions anyway i dont rate him some do. I admire him wanting to stay but i dont think Liverpool is the place hes going to come good if he does.

punk_one82 wrote: »

First off, saying you've probably watched him more than most is a moot point and one which you can't ever verify. You also implied people love Suarez for his workrate - Borinis work rate has been great in every game he's played for us.

You cheer him on when he's scoring goals against our opposition while playing for Sunderland but won't support him while he plays for us?

I'd have to say you're being quite harsh on him.

Obviously i cant verify it but judging by comments made when he was signed id be fairly confident. Saurezs workrate was on a different level its like comparing chalk and cheese. Thats the thing though hes about as threatening as moses in front of goal for us so there hasnt been much to cheer about, Maybe saying i wouldnt support him was harsh il agree on that part. At the end of the day i just dont think hes good enough, again my opinion which seems to be shared with the manager to so it must have some sort or weight to it.

Dickerty

I think Sturridge will surprise us and make the bench this weekend. He only missed about 10 days and was back in training, that 10 days just happened to have 3 games in it though (1 for Eng)

Balo and Borini to start, need that pace to hurt them on the break...

kfallon

Work rate is all well and good but if you are a centre forward it doesn't matter a shíte if you are not putting the ball in the net!

Give me a CF who will score a goal every game and not do much else over the one who breaks his bollix working but wouldn't score in the proverbial brothel. I wouldn't say Sturridge's workrate is unreal but he's a brilliant galscorer. We were lucky with Suarez, he had both in abundance.

For workrate with not many goals see Emile Heskey!

Harry Palmr

Everyone is very narky since beating Ludogorets

Chip Whitley

ASOT wrote: »

I hope he comes good for the sake of the club, but i dont think he will thats my point. Obviously i cant see into the future so only time will tell ow it turns out. For the fact alone that BR wanted him sold helps me come to the conclusion hes not good enough.

Rodgers wanted Hendo sold too and look at how that worked out. Everyone was on Lucas' back when he started and he then became a mainstay for a few years.

I'm happy to see Borini stay. We needed a fourth striker. His wages aren't coming out of my pocket, so if he ends up benched all the time then that's his problem... if he comes good and plays his way into the team and contributes then brilliant! He's full of workrate, let's see if he can add the rest to his game. Suarez had workrate but wasn't banging them in every other game until his last season and a half.

Whoever pulls on the red shirt I'll support them within reason, (Glen Johnson, I'm looking at you and your lacklustre performances over a long period of time) but especially if they're a trier.

Chip Whitley

I think we should all just judge him from a 16 second clip anyway. That's how it usually works, right? :pac:

Boom_Bap

Brendão wrote: »

I think we should all just judge him from a 16 second clip anyway. That's how it usually works, right? :pac:

Poor acceleration in second 4

5starpool

I have only skimmed recent posts so may have missed things, but saying someone isn't good enough is not the same as saying they won't support them when they play for the club. Even the worst players I've wanted to do well for us each time they played while still believing they are not good enough. I'll be very surprised if Borini is ever considered a success for LFC but like all players I'd like to be proved wrong, and in some cases I have.

rob316

Lucas and Henderson were two players I thought would never be good enough but I was gladly proved wrong. Borini deserves his chance and I mean a few games to start not coming off the bench. If he has done nothing after those, he deserves to go then.

I would like to see him start with Balotelli on Saturday.

kfallon

Brendão wrote: »

Rodgers wanted Hendo sold too and look at how that worked out. Everyone was on Lucas' back when he started and he then became a mainstay for a few years.

Rodgers wanted Adam, Carroll, Downing and Spearing sold too, do you think they should have all been given a chance too to see if it 'worked out'?

Sir Gallagher

The situation with Borini is like when you have a gaff party and there's that one mate who stays the night and wont get the message to fcuk off the next day.

He'd be there making you cups of tea and all, but you don't want tea you just want to be alone to pick up the pieces from the row you had with your bird the night before. You found her phone, there was a message on it from that good looking pr1ck out of her job, you knew there was something going on with them, you just KNEW it. She was always too good for you, this day was innevetable. You didn't want to call it quits, she was beautiful, she was unpredictable and wild in the sack, but also a little mental and on one occasion said something very questionable to that black taxi driver on the way home from town a while ago. She would always get you into trouble, but it was worth it, SHE was worth it but alas, some birds feathers are just too bright to be caged.

All you want to do is sit there alone, staring into the abyss, contemplating the road ahead, but you can't because Fabio Borini wont fck off and you have a sh1te defense.

Nerdlingr

rob316 wrote: »

Lucas and Henderson were two players I thought would never be good enough but I was gladly proved wrong. Borini deserves his chance and I mean a few games to start not coming off the bench. If he has done nothing after those, he deserves to go then.

I would like to see him start with Balotelli on Saturday.

In my opinion he is, was and will never be good enough for Liverpool Football Club. Squad filler and nothing more in my eyes.

kfallon

Sir Gallagher wrote: »

The situation with Borini is like when you have a gaff party and there's that one mate who stays the night and wont get the message to fcuk off the next day.

He'd be there making you cups of tea and all, but you don't want tea you just want to be alone to pick up the pieces from the row you had with your bird the night before. You found her phone, there was a message on it from that good looking pr1ck out of her job, you knew there was something going on with them, you just KNEW it. She was always too good for you, this day was innevetable. You didn't want to call it quits, she was beautiful, she was unpredictable and wild in the sack, but also a little mental and on one occasion said something very questionable to that black taxi driver on the way home from town a while ago. She would always get you into trouble, but it was worth it, SHE was worth it but alas, some birds feathers are just too bright to be caged.

All you want to do is sit there alone, staring into the abyss, contemplating the road ahead, but you can't because Fabio Borini wont fck off and you have a sh1te defense.

Post of the day!

gafferino

Sir Gallagher wrote: »

The situation with Borini is like when you have a gaff party and there's that one mate who stays the night and wont get the message to fcuk off the next day.

He'd be there making you cups of tea and all, but you don't want tea you just want to be alone to pick up the pieces from the row you had with your bird the night before. You found her phone, there was a message on it from that good looking pr1ck out of her job, you knew there was something going on with them, you just KNEW it. She was always too good for you, this day was innevetable. You didn't want to call it quits, she was beautiful, she was unpredictable and wild in the sack, but also a little mental and on one occasion said something very questionable to that black taxi driver on the way home from town a while ago. She would always get you into trouble, but it was worth it, SHE was worth it but alas, some birds feathers are just too bright to be caged.

All you want to do is sit there alone, staring into the abyss, contemplating the road ahead, but you can't because Fabio Borini wont fck off and you have a sh1te defense.

So.....how's the mrs?

Dickerty

Sir Gallagher wrote: »

The situation with Borini is like when you have a gaff party and there's that one mate who stays the night and wont get the message to fcuk off the next day.

He'd be there making you cups of tea and all, but you don't want tea you just want to be alone to pick up the pieces from the row you had with your bird the night before. You found her phone, there was a message on it from that good looking pr1ck out of her job, you knew there was something going on with them, you just KNEW it. She was always too good for you, this day was innevetable. You didn't want to call it quits, she was beautiful, she was unpredictable and wild in the sack, but also a little mental and on one occasion said something very questionable to that black taxi driver on the way home from town a while ago. She would always get you into trouble, but it was worth it, SHE was worth it but alas, some birds feathers are just too bright to be caged.

All you want to do is sit there alone, staring into the abyss, contemplating the road ahead, but you can't because Fabio Borini wont fck off and you have a sh1te defense.

THEORETICALLY...

MR NINE

In a week where everyones lauding henderson for sticking with liverpool and turning it around when he was getting a lot of criticism and rodgers had tried to ship him to fulham for peanuts, I find it particularly annoying to see the same fans unwilling to give borini a chance to do the same.

Im not saying borini will be as good as henderson, but he deserves a chance. He should be admired for having the ambition, determination and self belief to stay with liverpool and fight for a place in a champions league side rather than head to qpr and be first choice for a **** team. If hes still here in a year or two and things havent gone well then fair enough, but to give up on him already is ridiculous and shows people have learned nothing from the turn arounds henderson and lucas have had in recent times

Chip Whitley

kfallon wrote: »

Rodgers wanted Adam, Carroll, Downing and Spearing sold too, do you think they should have all been given a chance too to see if it 'worked out'?

Rubbish post. Borini has barely played. The players you named were in the first team for over a season, thus proving they weren't good enough.

Fwiw, I'm not a fan of Borini by any stretch, but what I'm saying is, he's still at the club, the team has more games that will give him an opportunity to impress which is what he wants and is entitled to as he was given a contract by the club. Let him at it.

kop77

Sir Gallagher wrote: »

The situation with Borini is like when you have a gaff party and there's that one mate who stays the night and wont get the message to fcuk off the next day.

He'd be there making you cups of tea and all, but you don't want tea you just want to be alone to pick up the pieces from the row you had with your bird the night before. You found her phone, there was a message on it from that good looking pr1ck out of her job, you knew there was something going on with them, you just KNEW it. She was always too good for you, this day was innevetable. You didn't want to call it quits, she was beautiful, she was unpredictable and wild in the sack, but also a little mental and on one occasion said something very questionable to that black taxi driver on the way home from town a while ago. She would always get you into trouble, but it was worth it, SHE was worth it but alas, some birds feathers are just too bright to be caged.

All you want to do is sit there alone, staring into the abyss, contemplating the road ahead, but you can't because Fabio Borini wont fck off and you have a sh1te defense.

Dickerty

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Everyone is very narky since beating Ludogorets

Shut it 'Arry...

Under 18s playing Bolton tomorrow at 11.00. Should see a pretty young side our after the game on Tue, plus a number of that squad now part of the U21s...

Fescue

Brendão wrote: »

Rubbish post. Borini has barely played. The players you named were in the first team for over a season, thus proving they weren't good enough.

Fwiw, I'm not a fan of Borini by any stretch, but what I'm saying is, he's still at the club, the team has more games that will give him an opportunity to impress which is what he wants and is entitled to as he was given a contract by the club. Let him at it.

Is there anyone actively not supporting him?

I think he's very poor but I would love to be proved wrong. Same with Sakho. I think it's normal for people to criticise players.

NukaCola

Nerdlingr wrote: »

In my opinion he is, was and will never be good enough for Liverpool Football Club. Squad filler and nothing more in my eyes.

There was a time when Lucas would have rightly been one of the first names on the team sheet. Some people never adjust their opinion on a player no matter how good they improve.

Just out of interest, who is good enough for Liverpool football club? Downing, Carroll, Cole, Adam, Poulsen, Aquilani, Shelvey, Spearing, Babel, Konchesky, Jovanovic, Degen were all played in the first team during Lucas time here. Liverpool haven't been the juggernaut of world football in your mind for quite some time.

The player thats good enough for LFC is a player who can perform well when needed. Who'd have thought Flanagan would play such a vital role for us last season for example.