Forever [** Spoilers **]

Skerries

Just watched this and it rips off so many things from other sources like the short lived tv show New Amsterdam and also Unbreakable and Highlander, with a bit of Sherlock thrown in for good measure

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JmVnyJ16d4

Beano

It certainly looks derivative alright but could be worth a watch. I like that the creepy guy from Bones is in it and the rest of the cast look good.

Agent Coulson

I have always liked Judd Hirsch so I'll give it ago.

But I can't see it getting past one season.

mafaa

the preaired pilot is available on usu source


pretty enjoyable :cool:

Agent Coulson

mafaa wrote: »

the preaired pilot is available on usu source


pretty enjoyable :cool:

Agreed I enjoyed it quiet a bit.

JP Liz V1

If it is similar to New Amsterdam and Highlander, must have a look


Ioan Gruffudd is very likeable, surprised he never made it big in Hollywood in movies especially

Nody

Honestly it felt like Sherlock Holmes ala Elementary (police investigation, knowledge about really odd subjects, eye for details like no one else etc.) with a bit of Highlander for the "live for ever" theme thrown in (i.e. side kick etc.).

Not that I'm complaining as it was enjoyable enough and I'll give it a season to let the characters evolve.

aine1980

Had a look at the promo a few mins ago & then found this thread - sounds like it could be worth a watch

Honestly the trailer looks like the show is the kind of easy to watch trash that will be perfect to throw on while having a bite to eat. The cast is good, the writing should be strong and honestly, something a little light and easy to relax too can be far preferable to some dense, dark, adult drama.

Nody

3 episodes in and it's losing me I'm sorry to say...

squonk

I think it's OK actually. It's not fantastic but it's not terrible. Ioain Graffud (sp) is dong a fine job. It's a new Elementary but lacking the spark that made that show hang on though.

FloatingVoter

Its a grand little show. Needs a bit more Highlander and a little less Law and Order crap to it. Speaking as a Sleepy Hollow fan, I can stomach daftness done well - just not Gods Gift feeling sorry for his immortal self. Have him do what any immortal would do - chainsmoke and have tequila for breakfast.

squonk

Agreed! He need's a bit more Gregory House to be believable. I know that's what I'd be if I was immortal. I guess they're not really going for edgy though. I'm guessing they're going for the Elementary factor, edgy just enough to look like it might be edgy but not edgy enough to actually offend anybody because it's edgy!

Nody

squonk wrote: »

Agreed! He need's a bit more Gregory House to be believable. I know that's what I'd be if I was immortal. I guess they're not really going for edgy though. I'm guessing they're going for the Elementary factor, edgy just enough to look like it might be edgy but not edgy enough to actually offend anybody because it's edgy!

But that's the problem; Elementary had persons who were intelligent enough with big enough personal issues to actually draw you in and being unlikeable. Forever is a very watered down version of it; if he had been played like lets say Dr House (brilliant but an asshole) it would be one thing but he's played like every womans perfect man who just happens to be immortal with a cast of people around him to make him look even nicer...

Snoopy1

Ive seen 2 episodes and i like it. Its easy watching

Agent Coulson

If I get to look at Alana De La Garza for 40 mintues every week I'm happy enough with it.


The former Law and Order ADA's need to be in more shows.

bnt

Partway through the Pilot, I'm quite liking it so far. I'm also getting some Groundhog Day vibe off of this: if Henry is "every woman's ideal man", it's because he's had a lot of time to practice.

squonk

I'm really warming to this show. This week's episode with the investigation of the murder of the wealthy old woman was great. There was quite a nice twist to it but, more importantly, the episode had a warmth, sense of empathy and heart that you don't see that often. I was quite surprised. I've gone from being on the sideline to now rooting for the show. It's really settling down into something that could well be quite decent!

JP Liz V1

The lead character Henry Morgan has a nice charm and wit about him like Patrick Jane from The Mentalist

aine1980

Agree, I'm finding that I enjoy this show much more than I'd expected

Agent Coulson

I have to say I am surprised that I enjoy this show so much.

Another good episode and the mystery of the other immortal stalking Herny is really intersting.

FloatingVoter

Agent Coulson wrote: »

I have to say I am surprised that I enjoy this show so much.

Another good episode and the mystery of the other immortal stalking Herny is really intersting.

Yes, its actually starting to look like a "realistic" take on Highlander. At 2000 years + our mystery man has lived through the Roman Empire, the Dark Ages and into medieval times. Of course he's killed. Surviving through those times it was as much a part of life as taking the dog for a walk. Our hero is just a 200 year old toddler in comparison. Who occasionally needs his throat cut to stop embarrassing resurrections.
The Ripper thing has been done to death but at least its out of the way early on.

Half way through the pilot and really enjoying the show, it's Highlander with a procedural twist and the kind of easy to watch 42 minutes that I can see myself looking forward to each week. Ioan Gruffud plays the role as a more likeable version of the unorthodox genius and there's a nice melancholy to how he plays things.

Watching episode 2 and the show really is growing on me, the scene with Abraham's eharmony picture gave me the heartiest laugh I've had in quite some time, certainly far more so than any comedy has this year.

I can see this quickly becoming a show I look forward to each week and one that much like Elementary could really defy expectation though hopefully I don't fall behind with this one as I've yet to finish up series one of Elementary, a show I really, really like.

Each episode just gets better and better and I'd go so far as to say that Forever is the best new show of the year. It may not be cutting edge or original but it has something that so many shows lack, there's a lot of heart to it and a warmth that is infectious. It examines death without being cynical or dour and treats the dead with respect. It really is just the kind of heart warming and empathetic show that is more concerned with telling a story than it is trying to be dark or so called adult.

Henry is a really great character and he plays the tortured soul brilliantly, there's a melancholy behind the character and he really does convey the tortured soul of one who has lived for so long yet never truly lived. Martinez at first comes across as a little one note but the writers know just how to play here and they way they've peppered her back story in nicely played.

The scene in episode five where Hanson refers to the dead body as "ADJ" and Henry instantly calls him on it is what separates the show from most. It's a scene which reminded me a lot of Longmire, another show I love where death is not something to be joked about.

JP Liz V1

ABC has given the show a full season order

the_syco

Watching episode two, and I'm seeing parallels with his style of not shutting the hell up talking when he catches the foe with how Sherlock natters on in Elementary.

Mr E

The latest episode was very good. Kind of a shame that Henry didn't come clean to Jo, but maybe it's too early. Good scene at the end too.

FloatingVoter

The reveal of who "Adam" was - not surprising and a little underwhelming. I did like the Highlander reference though. At least they know that we know.

CastorTroy

Just caught up on this and oddly the thing I wonder the most is where do his clothes and belongings go? They can't just disappear since he always has the watch.

Also I wonder if he's actually immortal or if he just resets to the age he was the first time he died since he seems to die so often that he wouldn't even age a year. I know he probably is actually immortal.

Think he'll tell Jo by the end of the season

bnt

CastorTroy wrote: »

Just caught up on this and oddly the thing I wonder the most is where do his clothes and belongings go? They can't just disappear since he always has the watch.

I'm on Ep.11 (Skinny Dipping) now, the episode in which

his Nemesis stabs Henry's cab driver, hijacks the cab, "kills" himself" and the cab plunges in to the East River. Henry loses his watch in the process, and only gets it back when they pull the car out later. My take: Henry's Nemesis has some power over time.

the_syco

bnt wrote: »

My take: Henry's Nemesis has some power over time.

Since he always has the watch, even though his body disappears, and so to does his clothes when he dies, I see it as a plot hole.

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On episode 18. I wonder will Adam tell Henry about other immortals?

FloatingVoter

the_syco wrote: »

Since he always has the watch, even though his body disappears, and so to does his clothes when he dies, I see it as a plot hole.

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On episode 18. I wonder will Adam tell Henry about other immortals?

Cuba Gooding is in a recurring role as a billionaire with a mysterious rags to riches past. Entangled romantically with our female lead, I think the other immortals have already arrived.

norabattie

FloatingVoter wrote: »

Cuba Gooding is in a recurring role as a billionaire with a mysterious rags to riches past. Entangled romantically with our female lead, I think the other immortals have already arrived.

Interesting theory but how is his rise from rags to riches mysterious?
I'm asking genuinely, cos I can't remember if he had an explanation for it or not

norabattie

FloatingVoter wrote: »

Cuba Gooding is in a recurring role as a billionaire with a mysterious rags to riches past. Entangled romantically with our female lead, I think the other immortals have already arrived.

Interesting theory but how is his rise from rags to riches mysterious?
I'm asking genuinely, cos I can't remember if he had an explanation for it or not

PS Loving Cuba Gooding on it

squonk

I love this show! I'm hoping it survives the cull and makes it into Season 2. I feel it deserves it.

There must be much more to Cuba's character for sure. I hadn't really figured he was an immortal though. I just don't know but there must be more to him. You don't cast Cuba Gooding Jr. to be recurring love interest!

I did like the episode recently where the gun that could be the means of Henry's ultimate death was pointed out to him.

It's a show that's really grown on me. It's becomeing an old favourite at this stage which is always a good sign. Crossing fingers for Season 2

the_syco

norabattie wrote: »

I'm asking genuinely, cos I can't remember if he had an explanation for it or not

"Wallstreet" was the explanation I thought?

Agent Coulson

I got a kick out of David Krumholtz playing a young Abe.

Manach

I'm actually start to like the series after a somewhat slow start. The cast are being to gell nicely together. Any rumours of a season 2?

Mr E

I'm enjoying it too. One episode left (the week after next), and it'll be all Henry vs. Adam I think.
The episode title is interesting:

The Last Death of Henry Morgan

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As for renewal, I don't think there is any chance, unfortunately.
We'll find out for sure at ABCs Up Fronts on Tuesday May 12th.

aine1980

It would be nice to see a second season, quite enjoying this one

CastorTroy

I got the feeling that they don't think they're coming back with the resolution of what happened to his Abigail.

Wonder if Jo will find out the truth, or if it gets a second season, who will be first to find out? Though from what she said about why Henry was so invested in Abigail's disappearance, she seems to suspect something.

Agent Coulson

I think the only think that could save it is International sales if they are big enough ABC might give it a second season.

Waitsian

Agent Coulson wrote: »

I think the only think that could save it is International sales if they are big enough ABC might give it a second season.

It has a massive worldwide following apparently. I wonder will an online network like AMZ, Netflix or Starz pick it up and keep it going?

Btw I love it, think it's great.

Agent Coulson

mod9maple wrote: »

It has a massive worldwide following apparently. I wonder will an online network like AMZ, Netflix or Starz pick it up and keep it going?

Btw I love it, think it's great.

I really don't think it's the kind of show any of those would pick up really.

It's not like a show like Lomgmire that had a couple of seasons and a platform like Netflix can track how many users watch it.

Mr E

Well that's that.

If that is to be the last ever episode, then I think it ended as well as it could have.

FloatingVoter

^ Agreed. Loose ends wrapped up and the door is open to a season two.

Dozen Wicked Words

Nice easy to watch series, the actor who works in the morgue is well and truly typecast now though. His character in Bones is pretty well identical to here. I still have a couple of episodes to watch so glad to read its finished this series pretty well.

The Glades ending was one of the worst I can remember for lack of closure (although by the end I almost couldn't care less what happens to Jim, the show ran badly out of steam)

CastorTroy

Good series finale if that's what it was. I think it was helped by not knowing if it was renewed for a second season. For example even though it was unlikely, Henry could've died permanently. But if we had heard it was renewed, we would've known for sure he would survive.

Also glad that Jo found out the truth.

FloatingVoter

CastorTroy wrote: »

Good series finale if that's what it was. I think it was helped by not knowing if it was renewed for a second season. For example even though it was unlikely, Henry could've died permanently. But if we had heard it was renewed, we would've known for sure he would survive.

Also glad that Jo found out the truth.

..or will she, I've appeared in similar photographs dating from the Civil War. Nicolas Cage has too.
On a serious note, I was just glancing at a genuine shot of my grandfather (born c.1895) taken in the 1930s - his suit is better than my t-shirt, that's the difference.

Agent Coulson

Forever creator Matt Miller

We went and pitched our Season 2, what that would be, to ABC,” he tells TVLine. “It went great, and they were really pleased. They’ve been very supportive of the creative of the show all season long. I think it’s going to come down to their pilots, and their schedule, and everything else.”

Spoilers in the link to the season finale.

Spoiler link

I'll miss my weekly ADA fix if it isn't renewed