Donegal Hill and Commonage farmer meeting

Poor Farmer in the hills

Saw a notice today that Donegal hill and commonage farmers are holding a meeting in Letterkenny as a follow on from the Westport meeting.
This needs to be supported

skoger

When's it on?

Poor Farmer in the hills

Clanree Hotel at eight on 5 th September

lakill Farm

I was chatting to a ex boards member yesterday who was well thought of here and he said they are going to picket Enda Kennys office in Castlebar on Wednesday 3rd September. His quote

"discrimination against hill and commonage farmers"

Heard he cant get phone receiption in connemara anymore

tanko

It's good to see that farmers in the west are finally waking up to the fact that the IFA (irish factories association) doesn't give a sh**e about them.
The farming independant made interesting reading this week. Some IFA speakers were told where to go in no uncertain terms when they tried to spout their usual waffle at the meeting last week.

The picture of Downey and Burns locking a chain on the tesco trolleys is like something out of a father ted episode. The IFA lads had no problem stuffing their gobs with free beef provided by the factories which are shafting farmers the night before the tullamore show. Why were no pictures of that event published?

Poor Farmer in the hills

The meeting is being organised by ordinary farmers trying to stand up for themselves as nobody else will do anything for them. This needs to be supported to get rid of this collective agreement nonsense.
All farmers need to come out to this to get fair play for farmers on marginal land.

rangler1

tanko wrote: »

It's good to see that farmers in the west are finally waking up to the fact that the IFA (irish factories association) doesn't give a sh**e about them.
The farming independant made interesting reading this week. Some IFA speakers were told where to go in no uncertain terms when they tried to spout their usual waffle at the meeting last week.

The picture of Downey and Burns locking a chain on the tesco trolleys is like something out of a father ted episode. The IFA lads had no problem stuffing their gobs with free beef provided by the factories which are shafting farmers the night before the tullamore show. Why were no pictures of that event published?

There was an open invitation to tullamore show and loads of farmers attended and eat the food, I put an open invitation up on boards here. Apparently there was complaints by the factories about the way they were treated by IFA on the night, so that rubbishes your second paragraph
As far as I can see the hillsheep farmers are going to delay the introduction of the Glas scheme, because their proposals won't be accepted by Brussels.
There's loads of active drystock farmers out there now that need an environmental scheme to be introduced immediately to tide them over, THEY CANNOT AFFORD FOR IT TO BE DELAYED ANY LONGER

rangler1

Poor Farmer in the hills wrote: »

The meeting is being organised by ordinary farmers trying to stand up for themselves as nobody else will do anything for them. This needs to be supported to get rid of this collective agreement nonsense.
All farmers need to come out to this to get fair play for farmers on marginal land.

Know nothing about this, but was at a meeting this week where eddie downey banged the table to your rep and said over and over again there is no collective agreement
I don't know, but can you guys guarantee that it'll be passed in Brussels without collective agreement or will it be sent back for another year
I f you think you're not affected by beef price and produce weanlings, you're in for a big surprise......and if you have sheep, cattle farmers are increasing sheep all around me so lambs will be for nothing

Poor Farmer in the hills

Rangler i dont know why you keep blaming Brussels. All that Brussels stipulate is a minimum stocking rate of 0.05 LU/ Ha.
Collective agreement is totally dreamt up by Ireland .It is not a requirement in Brussels You talk about not being able to afford to wait for GLAS, What about cant afford not to get GLAS at all which is what commonage farmers are facing.

rangler1

Poor Farmer in the hills wrote: »

Rangler i dont know why you keep blaming Brussels. All that Brussels stipulate is a minimum stocking rate of 0.05 LU/ Ha.
Collective agreement is totally dreamt up by Ireland .It is not a requirement in Brussels You talk about not being able to afford to wait for GLAS, What about cant afford not to get GLAS at all which is what commonage farmers are facing.

Why are the department so adamant that it has to be in, we've opposed it from the start and never agreed to it. If theres no need for it why is it there.
There was no agreement to the 50% the day they announced that, Coveney wouldn't even give our guys a copy of the conditions of the scheme.
I was in Dublin when they came out of that meeting
Didn't Eddie Downey organise a meeting to bring the dept to somewhere in the west and you blocked it. your rep agreed that that happened.
How are you going to hear the parameters for this scheme if you listen to Micheal holmes, Flanagan,etc
Think that meeting was supposed to be 23july

Poor Farmer in the hills

We have heard enough. Collective agreement in any shape or form wont work it must be changed.The powers that be must be put under pressure all farmers need to wake up before its too late. IFA / non IFA i dont care we need to all come out and make a stand and let them know we wont accept it

Connemara Farmer

I was adamant I wouldn't sign up again, but I have to refute some things said here.

rangler1 wrote: »

As far as I can see the hillsheep farmers are going to delay the introduction of the Glas scheme, because their proposals won't be accepted by Brussels.
There's loads of active drystock farmers out there now that need an environmental scheme to be introduced immediately to tide them over, THEY CANNOT AFFORD FOR IT TO BE DELAYED ANY LONGER

But you are quite happy to throw 14,000 Irish hill farmers to the wolves.

rangler1 wrote: »

Know nothing about this, but was at a meeting this week where eddie downey banged the table to your rep and said over and over again there is no collective agreement
I don't know, but can you guys guarantee that it'll be passed in Brussels without collective agreement or will it be sent back for another year
I f you think you're not affected by beef price and produce weanlings, you're in for a big surprise......and if you have sheep, cattle farmers are increasing sheep all around me so lambs will be for nothing

There IS collective agreement. The discriminatory 50% collective agreement entry requirement that applies to GLAS.

Poor Farmer in the hills wrote: »

Rangler i dont know why you keep blaming Brussels. All that Brussels stipulate is a minimum stocking rate of 0.05 LU/ Ha.
Collective agreement is totally dreamt up by Ireland .It is not a requirement in Brussels You talk about not being able to afford to wait for GLAS, What about cant afford not to get GLAS at all which is what commonage farmers are facing.

GLAS is one issue, a second issue is Pillar one where the Dept are attempting to redefine what an active farmer is by linking your SFP to their "indicative" (read WRONG) min/max numbers. If they succeed in doing this two things will happen:

1. If you do not meet their numbers, you will not qualify for SFP.
2. If they succeed no hill farmer will qualify for ANY environmental payment ever again.

rangler1 wrote: »

Why are the department so adamant that it has to be in, we've opposed it from the start and never agreed to it. If theres no need for it why is it there.
There was no agreement to the 50% the day they announced that, Coveney wouldn't even give our guys a copy of the conditions of the scheme.
I was in Dublin when they came out of that meeting
Didn't Eddie Downey organise a meeting to bring the dept to somewhere in the west and you blocked it. your rep agreed that that happened.
How are you going to hear the parameters for this scheme if you listen to Micheal holmes, Flanagan,etc
Think that meeting was supposed to be 23july

Because the dept haven't a clue how hill farming works. There is ALREADY a collective agreement on the hills, it's called the COMMONAGE FRAMEWORK PLAN. A review of this is to take place, and if that is handled correctly then there is the collective agreement delivered. We are obliged to follow the CFP so this other mickey mouse collective agreement is 100% unnecessary.

IFA has agreed to Collective agreement in two ways I can point out.

1. Sean Kyne FG TD for Galway West stated they had at the Westport meeting.
2. At the Dublin protest there were NO IFA supplied "No Collective Agreement" posters - because IFA had already agreed to it.

Eddie Downey organised an IMPLEMENTATION meeting for Claremorris and Eddie Downey invited Department officials to attend, IMPLEMENTATION means it's IN and done deal, selling out farmers rather than defending them.

We have ALWAYS said, wanted, and invited IFA and other organisations to take a leap of faith and back us. It's up to them now whether they will do that or not.

No one cares WHO delivers a FAIR DEAL for hill farmers, as long as that goal is achieved.

Some, unfortunately, are content to throw farmers under the bus.

It's unfortunate we have to go to Castlebar but we have exhausted every other avenue, these two issues GLAS and the min/max link to SFP are MAKE or BREAK issues for hill farmers.


Edit:
On that scrapped Western meeting. IFA were asked to come West to tell their members about this great deal they had got. They were never asked to bring the Department. The Mayo Executive asked for the meeting. IFA told, in WRITING, the Sligo Executive that the Mayo Executive had asked for the implementation meeting.

They never did, that is in writing and on the record.

rangler1

Connemara Farmer wrote: »

I was adamant I wouldn't sign up again, but I have to refute some things said here.



But you are quite happy to throw 14,000 Irish hill farmers to the wolves.



There IS collective agreement. The discriminatory 50% collective agreement entry requirement that applies to GLAS.



GLAS is one issue, a second issue is Pillar one where the Dept are attempting to redefine what an active farmer is by linking your SFP to their "indicative" (read WRONG) min/max numbers. If they succeed in doing this two things will happen:

1. If you do not meet their numbers, you will not qualify for SFP.
2. If they succeed no hill farmer will qualify for ANY environmental payment ever again.



Because the dept haven't a clue how hill farming works. There is ALREADY a collective agreement on the hills, it's called the COMMONAGE FRAMEWORK PLAN. A review of this is to take place, and if that is handled correctly then there is the collective agreement delivered. We are obliged to follow the CFP so this other mickey mouse collective agreement is 100% unnecessary.

IFA has agreed to Collective agreement in two ways I can point out.

1. Sean Kyne FG TD for Galway West stated they had at the Westport meeting.
2. At the Dublin protest there were NO IFA supplied "No Collective Agreement" posters - because IFA had already agreed to it.

Eddie Downey organised an IMPLEMENTATION meeting for Claremorris and Eddie Downey invited Department officials to attend, IMPLEMENTATION means it's IN and done deal, selling out farmers rather than defending them.

We have ALWAYS said, wanted, and invited IFA and other organisations to take a leap of faith and back us. It's up to them now whether they will do that or not.

No one cares WHO delivers a FAIR DEAL for hill farmers, as long as that goal is achieved.

Some, unfortunately, are content to throw farmers under the bus.

It's unfortunate we have to go to Castlebar but we have exhausted every other avenue, these two issues GLAS and the min/max link to SFP are MAKE or BREAK issues for hill farmers.


Edit:
On that scrapped Western meeting. IFA were asked to come West to tell their members about this great deal they had got. They were never asked to bring the Department. The Mayo Executive asked for the meeting. IFA told, in WRITING, the Sligo Executive that the Mayo Executive had asked for the implementation meeting.

They never did, that is in writing and on the record.

I'm just asking the questions, as I said before, drive on... I wish the beef farmers were as angry, we're ploughing a lonely furrow on the beef

Poor Farmer in the hills

Beef farmers need to come out with us. If these proposals go through there will bw no sucklers for beef farmers to finish.

Connemara Farmer

Poor Farmer in the hills wrote: »

Beef farmers need to come out with us. If these proposals go through there will bw no sucklers for beef farmers to finish.

Agree with that, unity needs to be a two way street.

I have utmost sympathy for beef farmers situation.

rangler1

Poor Farmer in the hills wrote: »

Rangler i dont know why you keep blaming Brussels. All that Brussels stipulate is a minimum stocking rate of 0.05 LU/ Ha.
Collective agreement is totally dreamt up by Ireland .It is not a requirement in Brussels You talk about not being able to afford to wait for GLAS, What about cant afford not to get GLAS at all which is what commonage farmers are facing.

Surely another stipulation is that you can't subsidise production, wonder how many more stipulations has your informants missed.
politicians are politicians and an elections coming up very shortly

Connemara Farmer

rangler1 wrote: »

Surely another stipulation is that you can't subsidise production, wonder how many more stipulations has your informants missed.
politicians are politicians and an elections coming up very shortly

No subsidy is being sought, you're misunderstanding his point (unintentionally )

rangler1

Connemara Farmer wrote: »

No subsidy is being sought, you're misunderstanding his point (unintentionally )

If it seen to be subsidising production it wont get accepted, just saying there's more criteria than you know.
Has the vice chairman of the hill committee nothing to say, he should know whether the hill committee agreed or not. I thought it was left to rural development and hill commitee

Sheep breeder

If the hill farmer has to get a increased payment surely there has to be a set stocking rate to qualify for payment and a reasonable stocking rate at that and not a mickey mouse rate of .05 lu per Ha

Ard_MC

rangler1 wrote: »

Surely another stipulation is that you can't subsidise production, wonder how many more stipulations has your informants missed.
politicians are politicians and an elections coming up very shortly

In Scotland they are giving 8% coupled payment to a beef calf scheme and in the most disadvantaged hills they are talking about £100 home bred ewe hog scheme.

Poor Farmer in the hills

Who said anything about subsidising production? Keeping hills in good condition is more about grazing them properly.The economics of hill sheep farming at the moment means that there is a cost incurred by the farmer putting sheep on the hill. They are managing the hill and this is what they need paid for, not producing a few hill lambs worth nearly nothing

on the river

Connemara Farmer wrote: »

Agree with that, unity needs to be a two way street.

I have utmost sympathy for beef farmers situation.

Welcome back Con. Stick around.

Connemara Farmer

rangler1 wrote: »

If it seen to be subsidising production it wont get accepted, just saying there's more criteria than you know.
Has the vice chairman of the hill committee nothing to say, he should know whether the hill committee agreed or not. I thought it was left to rural development and hill commitee

It is not subsidising production. We know all of the relevant detail to GLAS entry and linking min/max numbers to SFP. We have met ministers and officials.

What IFA say on the matter is irrelevant to me at this stage, they will do their own thing. What we are at is goal orientated, not interested in rowing with IFA in any way shape or form as it only distracts from the goals set.

on the river wrote: »

Welcome back Con. Stick around.

Thanks, unlikely though.

Poor Farmer in the hills

As said earlier we need farmers to come out ,firstly to find out exactly what is going on, and secondly to join forces and have their voice heard
We need to represent ourselves as nobody else has. Collective agreement and GLAS are only the most urgent issues at the moment, the review of the disadvantaged areas is the next time we will get shafted if we dont stand up for ourselves

Connemara Farmer

Poor Farmer in the hills wrote: »

As said earlier we need farmers to come out ,firstly to find out exactly what is going on, and secondly to join forces and have their voice heard
We need to represent ourselves as nobody else has. Collective agreement and GLAS are only the most urgent issues at the moment, the review of the disadvantaged areas is the next time we will get shafted if we dont stand up for ourselves

Correct and that has already started. More fun ahead.

rangler1

Sheep breeder wrote: »

If the hill farmer has to get a increased payment surely there has to be a set stocking rate to qualify for payment and a reasonable stocking rate at that and not a mickey mouse rate of .05 lu per Ha

If they keep going the way their going they'll have to keep it in good agriculture condition to get sfp and you know the job that'd be

Connemara Farmer

rangler1 wrote: »

If they keep going the way their going they'll have to keep it in good agriculture condition to get sfp and you know the job that'd be

GAEC is already set to come in, that actually is an irreversible decision. That was another "fumble" from some who couldn't see the wood for the trees.

GAEC can be managed, again simply and practically. However if our solutions aren't taken on board then it'll be a cluster **** of the magnitude of unregulated headage which had no link to commonage share, and 30% compulsory destocking taking no account of individual sheep farmers numbers and their commonage share.

We know how well both of those turned out.

Poor Farmer in the hills

Surprise, surprise Donegal IFA have suddenly decided to call a meeting for commonage farmers with their esteemed leader attending. So much for supporting ordinary farmers trying to do something for themselves.
What a pack of wasters!

rangler1

Poor Farmer in the hills wrote: »

Surprise, surprise Donegal IFA have suddenly decided to call a meeting for commonage farmers with their esteemed leader attending. So much for supporting ordinary farmers trying to do something for themselves.
What a pack of wasters!

Careful who you call wasters,
My sheep flock is 500 ewes, what's yours.
My stocking rate is 2.0 lu/ha What's yours
Now tell me who the wasters are again.
Abusive post on an anonymous forum...really love it..not

tanko

rangler1 wrote: »

Careful who you call wasters,
My sheep flock is 500 ewes, what's yours.
My stocking rate is 2.0 lu/ha What's yours
Now tell me who the wasters are again.
Abusive post on an anonymous forum...really love it..not

You aren't happy when the IFA are called wasters but it's ok to call him a waster. You live in a county with some of the best land in Ireland. Farmers on the hills of the west coast can't compete with your stocking rate. It's no wonder the IFA is becoming so hated in the west when this is the kind of rubbish and abuse farmers have to put up with from an organisation which claims to represent them.

Poor Farmer in the hills

Well now rangler CAP reform has been going on for 2 years now and there have been no meetings called to specifically consult commonage farmers in Donegal. Now lo and behold when farmers try to do something for themselves IFA call a meeting for commonage farmers at 2 days notice 5 days before the farmers meeting -not exactly very supportive is it????

As for my farming enterprise, i am trying to make a living as best i can to support a family as i am sure you are and i dont want a childish argument about mine being bigger than yours! I welcome any debate on the topic at hand and will continue to express MY opinions as a farmer

Ard_MC

rangler1 wrote: »

Careful who you call wasters,
My sheep flock is 500 ewes, what's yours.
My stocking rate is 2.0 lu/ha What's yours
Now tell me who the wasters are again.
Abusive post on an anonymous forum...really love it..not

What does your farm size have anything to do with the IFA?? It doesnt really matter if you have 5000 sheep or 25 sheep...what has that to do with commonage farmers in the west/north west? Or are you saying you need to be a certain size of a farm for membership to the IFA and they will only work on your behalf then??

And how is that an abusive post? He is just stating he feels that memebership of that organisation is a waste of time?

rangler1

Poor Farmer in the hills wrote: »

Well now rangler CAP reform has been going on for 2 years now and there have been no meetings called to specifically consult commonage farmers in Donegal. Now lo and behold when farmers try to do something for themselves IFA call a meeting for commonage farmers at 2 days notice 5 days before the farmers meeting -not exactly very supportive is it????

As for my farming enterprise, i am trying to make a living as best i can to support a family as i am sure you are and i dont want a childish argument about mine being bigger than yours! I welcome any debate on the topic at hand and will continue to express MY opinions as a farmer

If you thrpw out abuse, you better be prepared to handle the fallout.
One of your top guys is v.chairman of our hill committee it seems, if you lot are to believed he took his eye off the ball.
Another of your guys admitted that eddie was stopped from holding a meeting.
To someone like me who knows nothing both those points ......

rangler1

Ard_MC wrote: »

What does your farm size have anything to do with the IFA?? It doesnt really matter if you have 5000 sheep or 25 sheep...what has that to do with commonage farmers in the west/north west? Or are you saying you need to be a certain size of a farm for membership to the IFA and they will only work on your behalf then??

And how is that an abusive post? He is just stating he feels that memebership of that organisation is a waste of time?

AND if I call you a waster you'll agree......right
Ifa seems to have pushed it as far as they can and if you lot don't make any real changes...you'll be wasters too...simple

Connemara Farmer

rangler1 wrote: »

Another of your guys admitted that eddie was stopped from holding a meeting.

100% wrong.

IFA were invited to come West to explain the great deal they got for hill farmers, specifically they were asked to come to Westport for a Hill meeting.

The invitation was extended after members of the Hill Committee rightly refused to "pass on" the great news to members, doing the leaderships dirty work for them.

Instead IFA wanted to run a meeting in Claremorris on RDP & Hill issues.

That is playing politics, seeking to set one farmer against another, just like you tried earlier on saying hill farmers will delay GLAS, yet no concern for the farmer who won't be able to get into GLAS.

IFA themselves called off the Claremorris meeting, no one stopped them holding it.

IFA also lied to their own executives. IFA claimed Mayo executive requested a meeting in Claremorris with the Department of Agriculture in attendance, May exec never asked for such a thing. Yet IFA sent correspondence to Sligo executive blaming Mayo exec.

rangler1

tanko wrote: »

You aren't happy when the IFA are called wasters but it's ok to call him a waster. You live in a county with some of the best land in Ireland. Farmers on the hills of the west coast can't compete with your stocking rate. It's no wonder the IFA is becoming so hated in the west when this is the kind of rubbish and abuse farmers have to put up with from an organisation which claims to represent them.

My father came to this county, we grew up paying for land, I still lamb 500 ewes here, the farmers that I'm on committee's with work harder than I do. what sort of person would call us wasters,
I didn't call him a waster, I don't abuse anyone

Poor Farmer in the hills

Eddie Downey was never stopped from holding a meeting in Donegal.
I did not call any individual a waster.
If IFA had pushed it to the limit they should have walked out before letting collective agreement go to Brussels- Which i believe they were given a mandate to do, then farmers would have backed them to the hilt

rangler1

Connemara Farmer wrote: »

100% wrong.

IFA were invited to come West to explain the great deal they got for hill farmers, specifically they were asked to come to Westport for a Hill meeting.

The invitation was extended after members of the Hill Committee rightly refused to "pass on" the great news to members, doing the leaderships dirty work for them.

Instead IFA wanted to run a meeting in Claremorris on RDP & Hill issues.

That is playing politics, seeking to set one farmer against another, just like you tried earlier on saying hill farmers will delay GLAS, yet no concern for the farmer who won't be able to get into GLAS.

IFA themselves called off the Claremorris meeting, no one stopped them holding it.

IFA also lied to their own executives. IFA claimed Mayo executive requested a meeting in Claremorris with the Department of Agriculture in attendance, May exec never asked for such a thing. Yet IFA sent correspondence to Sligo executive blaming Mayo exec.

We have both co. chairman at our meetings, and one brought up plenty, but conceded you stopped eddies meeting,

rangler1

Poor Farmer in the hills wrote: »

Eddie Downey was never stopped from holding a meeting in Donegal.
I did not call any individual a waster.
If IFA had pushed it to the limit they should have walked out before letting collective agreement go to Brussels- Which i believe they were given a mandate to do, then farmers would have backed them to the hilt

,
Stop twisting it, we're referring to the meeting in the west.
I know nothing about any mandate, what's achieved by walking out, you only have to go back in again.... weaker.
Coveney still has work to do for us, beef problem. the budget. etc etc

Connemara Farmer

rangler1 wrote: »

We have both co. chairman at our meetings, and one brought up plenty, but conceded you stopped eddies meeting,

Incorrect. IFA backed out. In fact IFA never even announced it. IFA are afraid to hold a meeting in the west and face their own members.

Sheep breeder

Rangler you are great advertisement for the IfA on how to win people over to your way of thinking, they should promote your to recruitment officer, only joking

rangler1

Sheep breeder wrote: »

Rangler you are great advertisement for the IfA on how to win people over to your way of thinking, they should promote your to recruitment officer, only joking

I tried to walk away....but I guess I'm just too popular....:cool:

Connemara Farmer

Will IFA take a leap of faith and support farmers picketing Enda Kennys office from Wednesday onwards, that's the question. Picketing his office looking for NO extra money, simply a fair deal for hill & commonage farmers.

rangler1

Connemara Farmer wrote: »

Incorrect. IFA backed out. In fact IFA never even announced it. IFA are afraid to hold a meeting in the west and face their own members.

IFA backing out, don't think so
You gotta be joking.We were all in your county last night,
Eddie chatted to every one there, do you not think someone's giving you rubbish information.
,

greysides

Gents, sore subject obviously but let's keep this civil and on-track please.

tanko

rangler1 wrote: »

IFA backing out, don't think so
You gotta be joking.We were all in your county last night,
Eddie chatted to every one there, do you not think someone's giving you rubbish information.
,

Ballinasloe is barely in Galway, ye didn't venture too far in. Last night was a staged PR stunt. Of course Eddie chatted to everyone, it's easy chatting to a hand picked crowd of his buddies. Why doesn't he give a weeks notice of a meeting in castlebar or ballina and see what kind of a welcome he gets. No danger of that happening.

rangler1

tanko wrote: »

Ballinasloe is barely in Galway, ye didn't venture too far in. Last night was a staged PR stunt. Of course Eddie chatted to everyone, it's easy chatting to a hand picked crowd of his buddies. Why doesn't he give a weeks notice of a meeting in castlebar or ballina and see what kind of a welcome he gets. No danger of that happening.

This is getting childish now....adieu

who the fug

rangler1 wrote: »

This is getting childish now....adieu

Sorry he has a point, having a meeting in Youghal is not a meeting Cork

Poor Farmer in the hills

Wonder what kind of reception Downey will get in Donegal?

Connemara Farmer

rangler1 wrote: »

IFA backing out, don't think so
You gotta be joking.We were all in your county last night,
Eddie chatted to every one there, do you not think someone's giving you rubbish information.
,

The joke is that IFA are afraid to come West and run a Hill meeting, that's fact.

I'll repeat, IFA were invited to come to Westport to outline to their members what a great deal they had achieved for those same members.

IFA instead wanted a hill & rdp meeting in Claremorris so as to broaden the sectoral attendance and pin blame on delaying GLAS on hill farmers RATHER than representing the 14,000 discriminated hill farmers in this country as they claim to do.

I'm no party hack, I don't get spoon fed information. I go out and find it myself from many varied sources.

on the river

It seems the IFA are neglecting yet again the small disadvantaged farmer.
Con can you see hill farmers voice been heard and considered.?
I know ming is on side.