Neighbor dog being an ass in mornings, what can I do?

arleitiss

Hey, so my neighbors (whom I don't know) keep their dog in garden, it starts barking every morning at around 6-7 AM, it just barks in sky for some reason, can't sleep at all as it's very loud.

Is there anything I can do? Should I just contact management of estates? I would like to avoid dealing with neighbors directly, it's getting really annoying.

miss no stars

Supersoaker out the window.

irish_goat

Ask your local council to look into it.

Warper

The best way is to talk to your neighbour directly

OldNotWIse

arleitiss wrote: »

Hey, so my neighbors (whom I don't know) keep their dog in garden, it starts barking every morning at around 6-7 AM, it just barks in sky for some reason, can't sleep at all as it's very loud.

Is there anything I can do? Should I just contact management of estates? I would like to avoid dealing with neighbors directly, it's getting really annoying.

Why? If it were my dog I would appreciate if someone came to me first with a problem rather than running straight to management.

Bandara

OldNotWIse wrote: »

Why? If it were my dog I would appreciate if someone came to me first with a problem rather than running straight to management.

If it were my dog I'd realise that a dog barking every day at 6am in a housign estate isnt acceptable

RebelButtMunch

OldNotWIse wrote: »

Why? If it were my dog I would appreciate if someone came to me first with a problem rather than running straight to management.

Likely someone who let's their dog bark constantly is an ass hole.

Aard

If the estate has a management company, they'd be the first port of call. After that, the Council. After that the Gardaí. Still, it might be better to have a word with the neighbours before you go down those routes all the same.

Gavin "shels"

The Gardai can't do anything about noise.

sniperman

a note through the letterbox would be my first step

RebelButtMunch

sniperman wrote: »

a note through the letterbox would be my first step

That's a good idea. Direct yet anonymous.

Aard

Gavin shels wrote: »

The Gardai can't do anything about noise.

I've contacted the Gardaí about noise before and they had no problem acting on it (party in the middle of the night -- yes I am a party pooper!). Maybe dogs are different kennel of fish :pac:

Gavin "shels"

Aard wrote: »

I've contacted the Gardaí about noise before and they had no problem acting on it (party in the middle of the night -- yes I am a party pooper!). Maybe dogs are different kennel of fish :pac:

Legally they can't do anything, they can knock and ask, but can be told no. It's all down to Dublin City Council. This is speaking from very recent experience.

arleitiss

If I manage to wake up from dog barking tomorrow at 6 AM, I will just go to neighbors apartment and knock and ring bell until he and his wife or anyone else who lives where wakes up, then will ask to do something about it.

However I have feeling I will be told F.O, in that case I will just contact management of estates, the management of my estate seem to be decent, they keep whole area green, clean, restore stair tiles, etc..

Btw it's Belfry Estate in Citywest.

athtrasna

arleitiss wrote: »

If I manage to wake up from dog barking tomorrow at 6 AM, I will just go to neighbors apartment and knock and ring bell until he and his wife or anyone else who lives where wakes up, then will ask to do something about it.

However I have feeling I will be told F.O, in that case I will just contact management of estates, the management of my estate seem to be decent, they keep whole area green, clean, restore stair tiles, etc..

Btw it's Belfry Estate in Citywest.

If it's a managed estate I'd go straight to the Management Agent if you're an owner. If you're a tenant you need to go through your landlord. If you go direct to the unit and they do tell you where to go, then they are going to know it's you that contacted the Management Agent. If you go via the agent it's more discreet.

miss no stars

arleitiss wrote: »

If I manage to wake up from dog barking tomorrow at 6 AM, I will just go to neighbors apartment and knock and ring bell until he and his wife or anyone else who lives where wakes up, then will ask to do something about it.

However I have feeling I will be told F.O, in that case I will just contact management of estates, the management of my estate seem to be decent, they keep whole area green, clean, restore stair tiles, etc..

Btw it's Belfry Estate in Citywest.

Tbh you're setting yourself up for war if you do that. If the dog wakes you up just film it barking, then go around tomorrow evening and tell them you've been woken repeatedly and you're really at the end of your tether. Ask them if there's anything they can do about it because you've tried putting up with it but it's impossible. Suggest splashing the dog with water each time it barks (worked on our dog).

If they don't cooperate over the next couple of days, THEN start escalating things. You'll still have to live next to them after blowing up in their face, there's a genuine possibility that they just don't hear the dog barking - they might automatically tune out the sound or be deep sleepers. Give them the benefit of the doubt (however unlikely) first, but I can assure you that going nuclear on them out of the blue won't do anything to help your cause. You'll be that nutjob next door who woke the whole house up claiming the dog was barking.

Deranged96

Just be civil and direct with your neighbour about it! Anything else is either cowardly or underhand.
Ask them in for a cup of tea if you see them out in their garden.

"I happen to be a really light sleeper, and I dunno if you know tis but you're dog barks for a few hours each morning, if you could try sort something out about that in the next few days" etc. etc.

Don't be a tell-a-tale

athtrasna

Deranged96 wrote: »

Don't be a tell-a-tale

Screw that. There are rules in managed developments. No dogs/pets that cause a disturbance is a standard rule. This pet is clearly causing a disturbance, they only way the management company/agent can build a breach of rules case against the unit concerned is if the disturbance is reported.

OP keep a diary of times and dates. This may be needed for the agent to take action.

Deranged96

athtrasna wrote: »

Screw that. There are rules in managed developments. No dogs/pets that cause a disturbance is a standard rule. This pet is clearly causing a disturbance, they only way the management company/agent can build a breach of rules case against the unit concerned is if the disturbance is reported.

OP keep a diary of times and dates. This may be needed for the agent to take action.

I'd prefer to live next to a vocal dog than neighbours who feel they've been crossed.

miss no stars

Jesus, what happened to people just sorting things out between themselves? Why are people so neutered that they go running to someone else to solve THEIR problems without even trying to sort them out themselves. The first line of action between neighbours should be to talk to each other. Simple as.

athtrasna

Deranged96 wrote: »

I'd prefer to live next to a vocal dog than neighbours who feel they've been crossed.

They won't know who reported them if the OP goes direct to the agent. If they mention it to them first then go to the agent it's going to be pretty obvious who complained.

miss no stars

So what? Chances are they can narrow it down to 1 of 2 houses anyway! Better to be upfront with people. Stop behaving like kids running to teacher and grow a spine, go in and talk to them like a grown up. If it doesn't work, THEN take the next step. Of course they'll know it was you. Surely thats better than running around behind peoples' backs?

Nino Brown

Maybe try an ultrasonic bark stopper. They emit an noise inaudible to humans whenever the dog barks, they can stop dogs from barking, but result varies from dog to dog.

Deranged96

athtrasna wrote: »

They won't know who reported them if the OP goes direct to the agent. If they mention it to them first then go to the agent it's going to be pretty obvious who complained.

Oh come on, the truth always comes out!

Its definitely going to be between the first two households on either side of the dog owner and the dog owner has years to work it out.

yes, if you complain to the dog owner then the council the owner knows you complained BUT you were not a snake, you did it the right way and tried to settle it privately first

Dusty Fanlight

pellet gun.

Bang_Bang

Dusty Fanlight wrote: »

pellet gun.

Semtex

Stheno

The process for dealing with barking complaints is

What can I do about barking dogs?

Excessive barking which causes a nuisance to any person is an offence. In a good-neighbourly manner, let the dog’s owner know how the barking affects you. They may not have realised what was happening. If that approach fails, a complaint about excessive barking should be made to the District Court. To do this, you must first inform the dog owner in writing using a prescribed form, which can be obtained from your local authority.

From environ.ie

zetalambda

arleitiss wrote: »

Hey, so my neighbors (whom I don't know) keep their dog in garden, it starts barking every morning at around 6-7 AM, it just barks in sky for some reason, can't sleep at all as it's very loud.

Is there anything I can do? Should I just contact management of estates? I would like to avoid dealing with neighbors directly, it's getting really annoying.

Bark back. Swear to god man, the dog will just look at you with a confused look on it's face and totter off.

Arbiter of Good Taste

Deranged96 wrote: »

Oh come on, the truth always comes out!

Its definitely going to be between the first two households on either side of the dog owner and the dog owner has years to work it out.

yes, if you complain to the dog owner then the council the owner knows you complained BUT you were not a snake, you did it the right way and tried to settle it privately first

I think calling the OP a snake is harsh. And why is he in the wrong? It's not his dog waking up the neighbourhood at 6 am

Deranged96

Arbiter of Good Taste wrote: »

I think calling the OP a snake is harsh. And why is he in the wrong? It's not his dog waking up the neighbourhood at 6 am

If you were the dog owner, would you prefer your neighbour to speak to you face to face and give you the chance to sort it out or to get the big boys involved?

Also don't put words in my mouth

lifestooshort

miss no stars wrote: »

So what? Chances are they can narrow it down to 1 of 2 houses anyway! Better to be upfront with people. Stop behaving like kids running to teacher and grow a spine, go in and talk to them like a grown up. If it doesn't work, THEN take the next step. Of course they'll know it was you. Surely thats better than running around behind peoples' backs?

If only you knew what kind of 'people' you were dealing with....if they tell to bugger off, then you are lucky - if they are anything like the kind of species of human being that are around now, you have a range of options to choose from:
1. get your tyres slashed
2. get your property vandalised/damaged
3. get your head blown off
you just don't know these days. talk to management or council - better to have an external representative go into these situations: at least they have some form of protection and anonymity to back them up.

athtrasna

The OP has identified their development. It is a managed development therefore rules apply. The management agent is the first port of call in this case.

We don't know whether the OP or their neighbours are tenants, this will also factor into how this situation is dealt with.

It's not like living on a street old style, high density developments mean you don't have to live next door to suffer. In our development, noise in approximately 60 of the 81 units can be heard clearly by most of the houses/apartments because of the layout. Neighbours 22 units away had a dog that disturbed people on my side of the development just as much as if we'd been living next door.

arleitiss

I am tenant, not the owner.

RebelButtMunch

miss no stars wrote: »

So what? Chances are they can narrow it down to 1 of 2 houses anyway! Better to be upfront with people. Stop behaving like kids running to teacher and grow a spine, go in and talk to them like a grown up. If it doesn't work, THEN take the next step. Of course they'll know it was you. Surely thats better than running around behind peoples' backs?

Thats nieve. Talking to people like a grown up only works if they respond like grown ups. Letting their dog bark at an anti social time smacks of someone who won't respond with maturity. And now they know where you live.....

arleitiss

I think dog barks because it lacks some kind of freedom or something, it's kept there for 24/7 in garden, rain and sun, probably lost it's mind or so.

athtrasna

arleitiss wrote: »

I am tenant, not the owner.

You need to go through your landlord so. The management agent and directors of the management company should only deal with company members ie Owners, rather than tenants.

RebelButtMunch

arleitiss wrote: »

I think dog barks because it lacks some kind of freedom or something, it's kept there for 24/7 in garden, rain and sun, probably lost it's mind or so.

You can contact the council if you think the dog is mistreated. Does it have shelter and water?

arleitiss

RebelButtMunch wrote: »

You can contact the council if you think the dog is mistreated. Does it have shelter and water?

Yes it does.

arleitiss

RebelButtMunch wrote: »

You can contact the council if you think the dog is mistreated. Does it have shelter and water?

Well management has sent me a letter and brochure when I moved in recently stating my rights as tenant and obligations to landlord, with contact numbers, what I can and cannot do etc...
Never contacted this management yet but so far it seems like a very social management.

lifestooshort

arleitiss wrote: »

Well management has sent me a letter and brochure when I moved in recently stating my rights as tenant and obligations to landlord, with contact numbers, what I can and cannot do etc...
Never contacted this management yet but so far it seems like a very social management.

Just be careful around these dog-owners: if they treat their beloved pet like that, it doesn't look like they'll care much about what you say or think. Maybe the Dublin Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (DSPCA) may have advice. Dogs need more than food and water - they need walking and company and social interaction. At least the DSPCA can send around an inspector to check the welfare of the animal and they have the back-up of the Gardaí if things get nasty.

athtrasna

arleitiss wrote: »

Well management has sent me a letter and brochure when I moved in recently stating my rights as tenant and obligations to landlord, with contact numbers, what I can and cannot do etc...
Never contacted this management yet but so far it seems like a very social management.

Sounds like a letting agent rather than the development management company

OldNotWIse

Bandara wrote: »

If it were my dog I'd realise that a dog barking every day at 6am in a housign estate isnt acceptable

Er...so would I but that's not really relevant to my point that its better to go to neighbour first? So much concern for not p1ssing them off but its a good idea to go over their heads? Right.

RebelButtMunch

OldNotWIse wrote: »

Er...so would I but that's not really relevant to my point that its better to go to neighbour first? So much concern for not p1ssing them off but its a good idea to go over their heads? Right.

Think for a minute about the downsides of those options.

OldNotWIse

RebelButtMunch wrote: »

Think for a minute about the downsides of those options.

Why dont you just state them since you've already mapped out the thought process you would like me to embark on. Problem with neighbour, talk to neighbour. Simple. Not everyone is an axe wielding, tyre-slashing maniac. Also remember that the neighbour might very well take their cue from OP wrt how to act. A reasonable word is hardly going to blow up into vandalism and street fighting. Where are you all living?

DLMA23

Firstly, talk to the dog's owners & explain your grievance to them

If a simple solution cannot be agreed upon, the council & management contact needs to be your next move IMHO

paulmccarthy

talk to them directly. Ask nicely and suggest they get a bark collar for the dog

Ralphdejones

arleitiss wrote: »

Hey, so my neighbors (whom I don't know) keep their dog in garden, it starts barking every morning at around 6-7 AM, it just barks in sky for some reason, can't sleep at all as it's very loud.

Is there anything I can do? Should I just contact management of estates? I would like to avoid dealing with neighbors directly, it's getting really annoying.

Stand at the fence and start barking back for an hour every morning, that'll shut everyone up

stevek93

I have this problem also had to resort to wearing ear plugs.

OldNotWIse

lifestooshort wrote: »

Just be careful around these dog-owners: if they treat their beloved pet like that, it doesn't look like they'll care much about what you say or think. Maybe the Dublin Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (DSPCA) may have advice. Dogs need more than food and water - they need walking and company and social interaction. At least the DSPCA can send around an inspector to check the welfare of the animal and they have the back-up of the Gardaí if things get nasty.

If the dog has food, water and shelter the DSPCA wont do anything.

arleitiss

stevek93 wrote: »

I have this problem also had to resort to wearing ear plugs.

That's not a solution.

RebelButtMunch

OldNotWIse wrote: »

Why dont you just state them since you've already mapped out the thought process you would like me to embark on. Problem with neighbour, talk to neighbour. Simple. Not everyone is an axe wielding, tyre-slashing maniac. Also remember that the neighbour might very well take their cue from OP wrt how to act. A reasonable word is hardly going to blow up into vandalism and street fighting. Where are you all living?

Hyperbole doesn't help.

1. Inform management company. Pros: The neighbour gets advice. Cons: None for OP.
2. Inform neighbour directly. Pros: The neighbor gets advice. Cons. The advice may be unwelcome and OP has started into a negative relationship with the neighbour.

The only thing we know about the neighbour is that they let their dog bark at early hours. The assumption is that this is a reflection on how they treat other members of society.

Or they are just really heavy sleepers!

I admire your optimism that they will 'take their cue from OP how to act'.

Either way, it's OPs choice on how to weigh the results of the intervention.