Loooooonnnnngggg overtakes

alias no.9

quadrifoglio verde wrote: »

It's people **** scared to do 125 instead of 120...on the speedo

Not sure it is, I think some people hesitate as they're moving beside the vehicle they're overtaking, they're not always at or about the limit. The worst thing about it is that they're hanging out in the blind spot of the driver they're trying to overtake which is just about the worst thing you can do.

CiniO

Chimaera wrote: »

I've ended up in this situation while overtaking on cruise control a few times where I'm only a few km/h faster. If there's nothing behind me it doesn't bother me so much.

The other situation I find often crops up on a dual carriageway/motorway is the dilemma of pull in or not when you know you're going to be passing another vehicle in a few hundred metres. You've passed someone and there's a gap of a few hundred metres from them to the next car which you know you're going to be passing: do you pull in or stay out?

That seems to be the big problem with Irish drivers. Most of them must think - ahh sure, I'll be passing another vehicle in few hundred meters, so I'm not going to come back to driving lane for sake of this short distance.

Well - of course they should come back.

F.e. assume traffic on driving lane goes at 90km/h (in line with trucks).
Car drives at 126km/h on overtaking lane, and after overtaking one vehicle stays in overtaking lane because there is another vehicle 300 metres ahead on driving lane.

Now quick calculation - speed difference is 126-90 = 36km/h. That's 10m/s (metres per second).
So it's going to take half a minute to reach to other vehicle.
Half a minute is way too long to stay in overtaking lane without overtaking.

YbFocus

Bacchus wrote: »

Sounds like you're talking about a main road, in which case that's quite dangerous what you are doing. By "going with him", you are putting yourself in a dangerous spot. For a start, you no longer have a clear view of traffic coming against you (what if there is a crossroads ahead and car pulls out). The car ahead of you has a clear view and has the time to pull back in in front of the car it is over taking. You on the other hand do not. You could easily get stuck with nowhere to go facing a head on collision. The chance of this are increased too by being stuck behind a car sllllooooooowly overtaking. Don't take the risk, wait until you've a clear run at the overtake before moving out.

I don't go with him per say but I allow him be out there and well on his way past. I can then see that there is nothing coming and that there are no junctions etc ahead and go to complete the move before he is completely finished his.
I'm not glued to his bumper which is how it may have sounded.

Dartz

bear1 wrote: »

For me, it also has to be the gob****es that disagree completely with being overtaken no matter how it is performed.
They blast you with the high beams over and over again.
I had a situation once a few years ago, I was driving from Waterford to Limerick - anyone that knows that road knows how much of a pain in the hole it is.
I had this feckin eejit in a 206 in front of me for ages and ages going fantastically slow but I just couldn't get passed with all the bends/trucks whatever.
Finally I get my chance to pass and I fcuking gunned it passed him. Well... if I had envisaged this gob****es reaction I'd have taken a different road altogether.
He flashes the bejaysus out of me, accelerates up to within inches of the rear bumper, flashing, beeping etc.
He goes for an overtake on a feckin bend which forced me to slow down to let him in.
He's back in front at this stage (to say I was angry was an understatement) and he starts brake testing me.
I ease off a bit so that he doesn't allow me to get too close but it just doesn't seem to get him to feck off.
Now, I generally don't snitch on other drivers unless something terribly bad is happening but this guy took the biscuit.
Traffic corps called and fair fcuks to them they were there in a matter of minutes.
We both pulled in with the Guards and the lad had so much attitude that I was told I could go on my way after giving a statement but he had to stay.

Worse.

That peculiar brand of swine that accelerate when you try to pass them. And then don't let you back onto your side of the road when you back out of it...

YbFocus

Dartz wrote: »

Worse.

That peculiar brand of swine that accelerate when you try to pass them. And then don't let you back onto your side of the road when you back out of it...

You sir need more torques

Dartz

YbFocus wrote: »

You sir need more torques

Nah. Just drop two gears and wind it up to 9000..... They get the message. Zoooooommm

YbFocus

That rotary sound, I'm jealous of you for that

toastedpickles

YbFocus wrote: »

That rotary sound, I'm jealous of you for that

I've never heard a rotary I know i can youtube it, but its not the same

YbFocus

toastedpickles wrote: »

I've never heard a rotary I know i can youtube it, but its not the same

You will one day young squire, one day one will be yours :pac:

toastedpickles

YbFocus wrote: »

You will one day young squire, one day one will be yours :pac:

Oh jesus :eek: I can't handle that much maintenance :pac::pac:

Gerry T

While I find slow overtaking a pain, what's worse is the guy that over takes and slows down to a speed 2 or 3Km/Hr slower than your travelling...most noticeable when your in cruise control. Feckin pain as you play hop-skotch up the motorway...only to floor it for 5min to loose the guy... I'm going to get a ticket one of these days !

bear1

I had a 2.4 Alfa at the time so the power and the torque was there to crush that bastard.
I knew though if I used my anger combined with the power of the car that it could end badly.
I'd love to have known what the fook he was thinking though, what his achievement was in the end?
He held us both up, both lives put at risk and others (overtaking on a blind bend) caused his and mine blood pressures to rise incredibly... gob****e.

Trojan

This is very typical driving on US interstates. You're on cruise control somewhere around the speed limit, and almost all the traffic is moving at +/- 5% of your speed. Very common to see very slow overtakes. And it's some of the most stress-free driving anywhere.

CiniO

Trojan wrote: »

This is very typical driving on US interstates. You're on cruise control somewhere around the speed limit, and almost all the traffic is moving at +/- 5% of your speed. Very common to see very slow overtakes. And it's some of the most stress-free driving anywhere.

For me driving in environment where everyone drives in similar speed and overtaking takes ages - like you said in US or on UK motorways, as well as in Ireland during heavy traffic is stressful.
Stress-free driving is in Germany, where most overtakes takes only seconds or less.

Markcheese

CiniO wrote: »

For me driving in environment where everyone drives in similar speed and overtaking takes ages - like you said in US or on UK motorways, as well as in Ireland during heavy traffic is stressful.
Stress-free driving is in Germany, where most overtakes takes only seconds or less.

Never driven in Germany, but was I stressed out on the M5/m6 after last Christmas, the wife and kids in the car yelling are we home yet.. Bumper to bumper artics so couldn't see half the signs ,lanes narrowed due to works...gas thing is I used to live and work around there 20 years ago... Didn't need to drive much though ...

bear1

CiniO wrote: »

For me driving in environment where everyone drives in similar speed and overtaking takes ages - like you said in US or on UK motorways, as well as in Ireland during heavy traffic is stressful.
Stress-free driving is in Germany, where most overtakes takes only seconds or less.

Or... you don't even see the overtake

visual

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

My fave is the guy cruising along the Motorway in the driving lane ahead of me at a sensible speed. Slow lorry in the distance, getting closer, closer, very close... driver hits the brakes, slows down to lorry speed, and then indicates out, and sloooowly overtakes.

What was wrong with moving out in good time and overtaking at the speed you were cruising at? Did you not see the great big lorry in your lane?

I have no idea what these guys are thinking.

He seen you coming in review mirror and waited for you so he wouldn't be lonely overtaking

_Kaiser_

I surprisingly rarely run into any of the issues mentioned on this thread.
I do a lot of long motorway runs and the best answer to some of the issues raised here is a consistent speed, indicating, and moving out ahead of time.

Given the generally dawdling pace of most drivers (speedo-watching, not comfortable driving "fast" or trying to save a fiver on fuel) I often make significant "progress" on such roads and overtaking happens every few minutes.

Scenario A: Single car ahead. Approach steadily, flick the indicator right and move out a few seconds before you draw level. Return to driving lane after completing overtake and other car is a safe distance behind

Scenario B: Multiple cars ahead. Approach steadily, flick indicator right and move out a few seconds before you draw level. Stay in outside lane until all cars are passed - this includes cars that may be 100/200m ahead. I hate "weavers" and when making the aforementioned "steady progress" it's a lot easier/safer to stay where you are

Scenario C: Car ahead, car behind already in outside lane and either maintaining distance or gaining slooowwly. Follow A/B as necessary before that outer car becomes an issue

Scenario Car ahead, car behind in outer lane coming up fast. Let him pass and follow A/B

Scenario M (for muppet!): Car ahead decides they want to race, takes objection to being overtaken, or is otherwise acting the clown (weaving in lane, slowing/speeding up etc). Apply liberal use of the 224 bhp (though it may be more, I must get it tested!) and massive torque from the 3L TDI under the bonnet to extract yourself from the situation.

It's very rare I'm overtaken though as I don't dawdle when there's no cause to.

Alun

CiniO wrote: »

For me driving in environment where everyone drives in similar speed and overtaking takes ages - like you said in US or on UK motorways, as well as in Ireland during heavy traffic is stressful.
Stress-free driving is in Germany, where most overtakes takes only seconds or less.

I agree, I found driving in the US on Interstates far from relaxing. Give a German autobahn any day of the week.

Boskowski

CiniO wrote: »

That seems to be the big problem with Irish drivers. Most of them must think - ahh sure, I'll be passing another vehicle in few hundred meters, so I'm not going to come back to driving lane for sake of this short distance.

Well - of course they should come back.

F.e. assume traffic on driving lane goes at 90km/h (in line with trucks).
Car drives at 126km/h on overtaking lane, and after overtaking one vehicle stays in overtaking lane because there is another vehicle 300 metres ahead on driving lane.

Now quick calculation - speed difference is 126-90 = 36km/h. That's 10m/s (metres per second).
So it's going to take half a minute to reach to other vehicle.
Half a minute is way too long to stay in overtaking lane without overtaking.

Are you serious? Half a minute is too much?
Surely you mean 'is too much with someone behind me wanting to go even faster'.
But failing that I can't see how it it is 'way too long'.
I say apply some common sense to the situation and all is fine.

HandsomeDan

Just guys with CC on I'd imagine. On an quite motorway don't see a prob with it.

Turtle-TM

I know this opinion will not be e popular one. Most people agree that the speed limit on a lot of roads is ridiculous. But it's the speed limit. It's the law to drive at that speed. Whether it's an adequate speed for the road conditions etc isn't the point. People on here get on their high horse about driving standards here, and yes, there are a hell of a lot of people with shockingly bad driving standards, or etiquette. But then people get pissy about people "not overtaking fast enough" well here's my opinion on it. I travel at the speed limit. We'll actually 2-4km/h above, I set my cruise control to what I know is that limit that I've verified through various gps apps and devices. The over taking lane is for over taking, not for speeding in. It's for over taking a slower moving vehicle, if I come across a car ahead doing signicifaclty slower than the speed limit I simply over take. Now if that car is travelling at say 118 and I'm doing 122 I'll still over take them, it may take a few hundred metres more, but I'm entitled to over take at the speed limit, I am in no way obligated to break the speed limit (law) while I am over taking. Now just to be clear I am talking about dual carriageway and motorway here, and I will speed up to quickly move out of a trucks blind spot.

But if you are speeding up the overtaking lane, and decide that you don't like the fact I am over taking AT the speed limit, and flash, or sit on my bumper, all you'll do is make me think you are an arsehole, and I don't treat arseholes with the same respect I treat other people. So you may get a fog light in your face, or I may just take my sweet time moving back in.

Another point that is particularly relevant to the N4 is that if there is a line of middle lane hoggers, I will over take them, and I will do it at 82/84kmh. People seem to think it's perfectly fine to drive that road at 120+, well it's not my problem if you want to do that, but if I'm using the overtaking lane for the purposes of overtaking, then you can just obey the speed limit and wait until I've over taken the middle lane idiots.

As I said, I'm sure I'll get dogs abuse for actually thinking people should obey the law and drive at the speed limit

fmcg_scribe

YbFocus wrote: »

This is shocking annoying!

When there is nothing coming for miles ahead and I see someone pulling out to pass. I always say "I'll go with him as there's nothing coming" next thing we're out there for 20-30 seconds!

It's insane, Micras initiating a pass at 30mph in 5th with no go being achieved at all!!

Agree 100%. Even on a relatively straight road with no dips and no obvious oncoming traffic, drivers need to realise that overtaking needs to be executed quickly. Same applies to over taking on a motorway - I see too many cases of poor lane discipline and sloppy overtaking on motorways.

On a single carriageway road, especially in rural areas, if you don't have the confidence or the horsepower to overtake briskly, it's better to hang back and wait until the the next roundabout or dual carriageway.

With many smaller cars, especially diesels, I'm not sure that they have the burst of inline speed required for brisk overtaking.

Zubeneschamali

Turtle-TM wrote: »

I'm sure I'll get dogs abuse for actually thinking people should obey the law and drive at the speed limit

I doubt it: you drive your car, I'll drive mine past.

_Kaiser_

Turtle-TM wrote: »

As I said, I'm sure I'll get dogs abuse for actually thinking people should obey the law and drive at the speed limit

Not at all, you're more than entitled to drive at whatever speed you wish, HOWEVER it's not up to you to police what you see as "bad behaviour" on the part of other drivers - and deliberately dawdling during an overtake (as you confess to doing) to make a point is exactly that.

Before making any manoeuvre on the road you should assess the impact doing so will have on the traffic around you, and if proceeding with your overtake means that you will cause a rolling roadblock then you should hold off until the way is clear.

Dial Hard

Gerry T wrote: »

While I find slow overtaking a pain, what's worse is the guy that over takes and slows down to a speed 2 or 3Km/Hr slower than your travelling...most noticeable when your in cruise control. Feckin pain as you play hop-skotch up the motorway...only to floor it for 5min to loose the guy... I'm going to get a ticket one of these days !

There's nothing like cruise control to show just how inconsistent most drivers' speed is. I used to commute from Tullow to Dublin daily. On the M9 I'd set the cruise control for 132km/h and let her go. And every single time, I'd end up leap-frogging the same car (or cars) several times over the course of the journey because they're constantly speeding up and slowing down. They'd always give you daggers every time you passed them too. I'd be like "Dunno what you're glaring at, pal, my speed hasn't changed".