Kick in the Head = Attempted Murder

thomasm

I would love to see a similar attitude taken over here

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/teen-on-attempted-murder-charge-after-fight-30533670.html

You boot someone in the head on the ground you should go to jail. Might make some scum bags think twice. What do you reckon, too severe or a suitable charge.

dremo

I've seen few videos on youtube etc, where thugs repeatedly stomping victims head. Bloody animals hang them all, ain't gonna miss them nobody.

Guill

Suitable charge IMO. You only kick a person in the head if you you are intent on doing serious damage.

The Moldy Gowl

That's where face kicker went so.

wretcheddomain

Given the head is the seat of consciousness, of course it should be considered attempted murder.

Maximus Alexander

If you kick someone in the head you're well aware that it might kill them, sounds about right to me.

The Backwards Man

Nothing wrong with the charge, the only problem is it won't do any good.

I can't wait for someone to develop the technologies to harness a scumbag's brain to power a small hospital.

wretcheddomain

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Nothing wrong with the charge, the only problem is it won't do any good.

Fair justice for the victims seems good enough to me.

whisky_galore

Another one of our fine young people, doing us proud....not.

Links234

I don't anyone who kicks someone who's lying on ground unconscious in the head has any illusions of what they're doing

AlekSmart

Bearing in mind that the incident appears to have been witnessed by Spanish Police Officers,it appears to be a relatively robust response from the Spanish Authorities,but importantly,it appears the Norm in such occurences.

Noteworthy also,is how the age of the accused did'nt get him the immediate freedom which would be available within the Irish System as currently administered.

I would be interested to know what the "Rap-Sheets" look like for the individuals involved.

Perhaps the notion of defendants appearing before a Judge,with 100+ previous CONVICTIONS is less prevalent in the Spanish system ?

It's a guarded +1 from me though...:)

Absoluvely

Would this new law apply to Taekwondo? A good kick to the head earns you two points and 4 months in jail.

wretcheddomain

Absoluvely wrote: »

Would this new law apply to Taekwondo?

a) That game is voluntary by both sides
b) There's no intent to cause serious brain damage and/or death.

Answer: No.

Banjo String

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8T19FxBLrJM

Moat_Cailin

Only if it's thrown with "Shogun" technique.

Milly33

The page keeps jamming... But horrible cowardly thing to do, darn right he should be charged with attempted murder hope the poor feels who they attacked is ok

K.Flyer

Spanish judicial system is very different than here. Because its considered a serious assault he can expect to be locked up until his trial date comes up.
And he won't be having any x-box or home comforts either.

shamrock55

One guy punched the fella unconcious, should that not be deemed life threatening, maybe his head injuries came when he hit the ground , does the lad who did that get off scot free?

conorhal

shamrock55 wrote: »

One guy punched the fella unconcious, should that not be deemed life threatening, maybe his head injuries came when he hit the ground , does the lad who did that get off scot free?

Fights are fights, it would be difficult to prove intent.
If you run in to deliver a kick to the head of an unconcious individual on the ground however, it's pretty clear cut.
The individual that initally punched the victim did not get off scott free, he was charged (with assault I assume) and bailed.

emeldc

'upmarket resort of Puerto Banus' LOL

I Heart Internet

Kicking an unconscious man in the head while he lays on the ground can only be considered an attempt to do serious, perhaps lethal, damage.

It's right that a charge of attempted murder is brought against him imho.

A fight's a fight. But kick a man in the head while he's unconscious? That's different.

Milly33

K.Flyer wrote: »

Spanish judicial system is very different than here. Because its considered a serious assault he can expect to be locked up until his trial date comes up.
And he won't be having any x-box or home comforts either.

they should really change the law here for the same, people get away with far too much and like said get sure all the lavishes in jail.. Tis all a sham, punishment should be punishment not a slap and a lollipop

Strong Life in Dublin

Yeah 100% If you kick someone in the head while they are down and not a threat to you. Then you should be done for Attempted Murder

Lapin

Whatever happened to that scumfuck that was caught on camera kicking someone in the head on Paddy's weekend earlier this year?

The You Tube clip was all over the place for a week or so.

Has the cnut been sentenced yet?

bmc58

Guill wrote: »

Suitable charge IMO. You only kick a person in the head if you you are intent on doing serious damage.

No person should ever kick another person in the head.Anyone who would do such a horrendous thing deserves jail.For how long,that's for the courts to deciede.But a jail term should be mandatory for any animal that would kick a defencless person on the ground in the head or any where else for that matter.

howamidifferent

He's probably languishing in some 5 star hotel being assessed because they didnt want to have him mixing with hardend criminals...

323

Appropriate charge. Just a pity we don't have similar.

Milly33

Milly33 wrote: »

The page keeps jamming... But horrible cowardly thing to do, darn right he should be charged with attempted murder hope the poor feels who they attacked is ok

The guy he kicked is an Irish teenager as well.. Maybe they all met each other that night and then it went sour.

"Doctors have told police the Irish teenager cheated death because of the rapid medical attention he received.

The altercation happened around 3am on August 14 in a street a short walk from Puerto Banus port. Investigators say they believe the four men, who had been out drinking together, rowed over a girl."

Turtyturd

wretcheddomain wrote: »

a) That game is voluntary by both sides
b) There's no intent to cause serious brain damage and/or death.

Answer: No.

Wasn't there a case of attempted murder during a football match last year?

not yet

Turtyturd wrote: »

Wasn't there a case of attempted murder during a football match last year?

I think it was Liverpool v Arsenal, When they went 5-0 up

jimgoose

These monkeys don't know they're born with what they get away with in Ireland. Occasionally one of them gets caught doing the animal in a civilised jurisdiction, and then it hits home, if only temporarily. I suppose the radio will be full of trying to bring the poor child back home Gadluvvim. Personally I hope the Guardia Civil shoot him.

Sunnyisland

emeldc wrote: »

'upmarket resort of Puerto Banus' LOL

???

darkdubh

I've noticed that you very rarely hear of people being charged with attempted murder in this country and when you do it tends to be for gangland shootings.Theres cases of people being stabbed ten times or kicked within an inch of their life and perpetrater being charged with assault causing harm.

Turtyturd

not yet wrote: »

I think it was Liverpool v Arsenal, When they went 5-0 up

Was looking for Williams kicking a ball at Van Persie's head....but that'll do.

con___manx1

thomasm wrote: »

I would love to see a similar attitude taken over here

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/teen-on-attempted-murder-charge-after-fight-30533670.html

You boot someone in the head on the ground you should go to jail. Might make some scum bags think twice. What do you reckon, too severe or a suitable charge.

Kick in the head is serious assault and I think there should be a 2 year sentence. I have only been in one fight in my life. I came out of a nightclub seen my friend getting kicked by 3 guys on the ground. One of them kicking in the head. I hit the guy kicking my friend in the head an uppercut to the jaw. He didn't c it coming. It was a dirty thing to do but I felt he deserved it.my friend ended up in the hospital with the guy I punched. My friend had blood coming from his ear. He had a cat scan turned out they fractured his skull. It could have been a lot worse

Hangballlouie

not yet wrote: »

I think it was Liverpool v Arsenal, When they went 5-0 up

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ScumLord

Absoluvely wrote: »

Would this new law apply to Taekwondo? A good kick to the head earns you two points and 4 months in jail.

There is no competitive martial art where you're allowed to kick someone in the head while they're on the ground.

Son Of A Vidic

Absoluvely wrote: »

Would this new law apply to Taekwondo? A good kick to the head earns you two points and 4 months in jail.

How can you compare the controlled actions of a well trained and disciplined martial artist, to the actions of a drunken street thug? Do you have any idea about the protective equipment that must be worn in a Taekwondo competition? I'm guessing not, otherwise you would have saved yourself such a clueless comment.

Gbear

I think part of the problem is that people are somewhat removed from the realities of violence but also exposed to a lot of simulated violence.

I have no intuitive knowledge of how much damage I could do to someone or could be done to me. The only things I have to go by are depictions on TV and in film.

Apparently I can get shot in the chest and soldier on if I'm fairly sound but if I'm a bit of a dickhead then I die immediately instead.

Turtyturd

ScumLord wrote: »

There is no competitive martial art where you're allowed to kick someone in the head while they're on the ground.

Pride used to allow them.

SpaceTime

It's also normal enough in Spain to be held in custody until a trial date, he'll be likely to spend several months in prison / youth offenders detention centre until the trail date without any question of being bailed out.

Sentencing over there for attempted murder can carry quite a long term too, certainly for an adult anyway it could be anything up to 10 years based on what I've seen from other cases.

It's also (in common with all continental jurisdictions) a civil & criminal codified legal system so, sentencing tends to be quite simply codified as opposed to what goes on in our system.

ScumLord

Turtyturd wrote: »

Pride used to allow them.

Maybe they did but it's not allowed now, they've even stopped certain elbows to downed opponents.

EyeSight

Gbear wrote: »

I think part of the problem is that people are somewhat removed from the realities of violence but also exposed to a lot of simulated violence.

I have no intuitive knowledge of how much damage I could do to someone or could be done to me. The only things I have to go by are depictions on TV and in film.

Apparently I can get shot in the chest and soldier on if I'm fairly sound but if I'm a bit of a dickhead then I die immediately instead.

I watch tonnes of action movies and play tonnes of video games. I know 100% how dangerous kicking someone in the head is. It's basic common sense.
Actually video games help to show you how dangerous a headshot can be


BTW: I highly doubt this is the first time this idiots and his buddies assaulted someone

RoboRat

Pride used to allow them.

Yep, it did but it is no more and Pride was a promotion not an actual MA. It was based around the MMA style but without the same rules as say the UFC.

Maybe they did but it's not allowed now, they've even stopped certain elbows to downed opponents.

MMA still is to some degree unregulated and various promotions allow or prohibit certain techniques but I don't know of one current promotion that allows kicks to the head or stomps anymore.

EyeSight

RoboRat wrote: »

Yep, it did but it is no more and Pride was a promotion not an actual MA. It was based around the MMA style but without the same rules as say the UFC.



MMA still is to some degree unregulated and various promotions allow or prohibit certain techniques but I don't know of one current promotion that allows kicks to the head or stomps anymore.

To add to this. you would assume anyone trained to fight in these arts would know that when someone is down, it's not ok to kick them in the head.
It's just fighting dirty and going too far

K.Flyer

jimgoose wrote: »

These monkeys don't know they're born with what they get away with in Ireland. Occasionally one of them gets caught doing the animal in a civilised jurisdiction, and then it hits home, if only temporarily. I suppose the radio will be full of trying to bring the poor child back home Gadluvvim. Personally I hope the Guardia Civil shoot him.

Spanish police and the Guardia Civil tend not to take any nonsense from people causing trouble and have been known to dish out a few slaps to mouthy trouble making ar$eholes.
The judges over there also know how to count, as in 2 years and 2 years equals 4 years inside.

strobe

K.Flyer wrote: »

And he won't be having any x-box or home comforts either.

Aren't Spanish prisons in general considered pretty comfortable with tons of home comforts, so much so that it has one of the lowest rates in the world of foreign prisoners requesting transfers to their home countries prison system to serve the rest of their sentences? I'm sure I've read something along those lines a couple of times.


As to the OP, yeah kicking someone in the head while they are down being charged with attempted murder sou da about right to me.

foggy_lad

EyeSight wrote: »

To add to this. you would assume anyone trained to fight in these arts would know that when someone is down, it's not ok to kick them in the head.
It's just fighting dirty and going too far

Travellers wouldn't even continue to box someone once they go down and certainly would never kick someone in the head when they are on the ground.

SpaceTime

strobe wrote: »

Aren't Spanish prisons in general considered pretty comfortable with tons of home comforts, so much so that it has one of the lowest rates in the world of foreign prisoners requesting transfers to their home countries prison system to serve the rest of their sentences? I'm sure I've read something along those lines a couple of times.

I wouldn't be so sure about that statement. They were given a serious going over by the Council of Europe and accused of torture for use of 'fixation' as a form of punishment (i.e. tying inmates to beds). Apparently one prison was using a 'concrete block' as the bed and a thin mattress and handcuffs and one prisoner had been left cuffed to a bed for 21 hours and, following a break of 9 hours, for a further 14 hours the following day.

They got good marks for sanitation, ventilation and cell size but two-to-a-cell scenarios are increasingly common due to cutbacks.

All in all, I wouldn't be so sure that Spanish prisons are a model of Nordic-style hotel quality excellence. They've still got a bit of a vibe of Franco and the Inquisition about them.

Prison shouldn't be a pleasure, but that kind of stuff is quite uncalled for.

bb1234567

One strong well placed kick to the head could easily kill somebody, or leave them with long term brain damage. Definitely not too severe

Stamp = attempted murder
Kick while unconscious = attempted murder
Kick to stop an aggressor getting up = self-defence.