Black people and the imbalance of quality amongst intercounty GAA teams.

Lapin

Interesting discussion on The Right Hook at the moment.

Yer one (The Doctor) reckons black people are genetically superior to white people. She points to all the great athletes and sports people to back this up.

I think she has a point.

Hook reckons black people excell because they all come from poor backgrounds and try harder to escape this poverty and become succesful as a result.

I think he's talking bollox.

But it got me thinking even further. If its obvious that black people are physically dominant and superior, why don't counties like Carlow and Leitrim and others who never win fúckall in GAA games ditch their good for nothing pasty white shysters and recruit a bunch of fit athletic black lads instead?

Then they might have a chance against superior teams.

Like Galway for example.

Fox_In_Socks

Lapin wrote: »

Interesting discussion on The Right Hook at the moment.

Yer one (The Doctor) reckons black people are genetically superior to white people. She points to all the great athletes and sports people to back this up.

I think she has a point.

Hook reckons black people excell because they all come from poor backgrounds and try harder to escape this poverty and become succesful as a result.

I think he's talking bollox.

But it got me thinking even further. If its obvious that black people are physically dominant and superior, why don't counties like Carlow and Leitrim and others who never win fúckall in GAA games ditch their good for nothing pasty white shysters and recruit a bunch of fit athletic black lads instead?

Then they might have a chance against superior teams.

Like Galway for example.

Oooooooooh!!!!







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Talib Fiasco

Because black people are a severe minority in this country and to be good at any sport you have to start at a very young age and GAA is no different.

average_runner

Lapin wrote: »

Interesting discussion on The Right Hook at the moment.

Yer one (The Doctor) reckons black people are genetically superior to white people. She points to all the great athletes and sports people to back this up.

I think she has a point.

Hook reckons black people excell because they all come from poor backgrounds and try harder to escape this poverty and become succesful as a result.

I think he's talking bollox.

But it got me thinking even further. If its obvious that black people are physically dominant and superior, why don't counties like Carlow and Leitrim and others who never win fúckall in GAA games ditch their good for nothing pasty white shysters and recruit a bunch of fit athletic black lads instead?

Then they might have a chance against superior teams.

Like Galway for example.

Not superior when it comes to swimming and cycling.

ScumLord

When you look at UFC fighters you can see there's a pretty even spread between races.

There's obviously going to be some differences between people that evolved to adapt to their different environments, the descendants of the Vikings (russians and eastern europeans) are very strong, africans are fast. But these days it could be simply a culture thing. More black Americans play basketball, so they've got the numbers to seem better at it.


When it comes down to a very intense sport like fighting, once the training is on a par I don't think you see one race being better than the other.

Talib Fiasco

average_runner wrote: »

Not superior when it comes to swimming and cycling.

Yeah but they are white people activities

Nodin

Lapin wrote: »

But it got me thinking even further. If its obvious that black people are physically dominant and superior, why don't counties like Carlow and Leitrim and others who never win fúckall in GAA games ditch their good for nothing pasty white shysters and recruit a bunch of fit athletic black lads instead?

Then they might have a chance against superior teams.

Like Galway for example.

People from Leitrim are "white" now?

average_runner

Talib Fiasco wrote: »

Yeah but they are white people activities

Majority of sports were white people. Haven't broken thru on ultra marathon either.

SoulTrader

Lapin wrote: »

Yer one (The Doctor) reckons black people are genetically superior to white people. She points to all the great athletes and sports people to back this up.

I think she has a point.

What a load of racist drivel.

Did she point to Manny Pacquiao, Ronnie O'Sullivan, Michael Schumacher, Lionel Messi, Cristiano Ronaldo?

ScumLord

SoulTrader wrote: »

What a load of racist drivel.

Did she point to Manny Pacquiao, Ronnie O'Sullivan, Michael Schumacher, Lionel Messi, Cristiano Ronaldo?

She was being slightly tongue in cheek.

Lapin

SoulTrader wrote: »

What a load of racist drivel.

Did she point to Manny Pacquiao, Ronnie O'Sullivan, Michael Schumacher, Lionel Messi, Cristiano Ronaldo?

Twas only a matter of time before someone mentiond the 'R' word here.

There's nothing racist about pointing to facts. Most of the top athletes are black. Plain and simple fact.

Ronnie O'Sullivan FFS. We're on about sport here. Not pub games.

FloatingVoter

Ronnie has just smoked all my weed and robbed my gran's wheelchair. He denied all athletic abilities as he sped to the off-license with my credit card.

SoulTrader

Lapin wrote: »

Twas only a matter of time before someone mentiond the 'R' word here.

There's nothing racist about pointing to facts. Most of the top athletes are black. plain and simple.

Ronnie O'Sullivan FFS. We're on about sport here. Not pub games.

I don't know how you can make the assertion that most top athletes are black. I mean, without studying the background of every athlete, I don't know how you can even come to that conclusion.

She said that "black people are genetically superior" right? Genetic superiority does not just manifest itself in physical prowess and athleticism. Snooker is a sport, regardless of whether people play it in pubs or not. Please enlighten me with a substantiated fact that demonstrates that 'most top athletes are black'.

SoulTrader

ScumLord wrote: »

She was being slightly tongue in cheek.

Fair enough, I didn't see / hear it but the OP didn't make that point. In fact, the OP agreed with the point.

puzzle_box

Lapin wrote: »

Interesting discussion on The Right Hook at the moment.

Yer one (The Doctor) reckons black people are genetically superior to white people. She points to all the great athletes and sports people to back this up.

I think she has a point.

Hook reckons black people excell because they all come from poor backgrounds and try harder to escape this poverty and become succesful as a result.

I think he's talking bollox.

But it got me thinking even further. If its obvious that black people are physically dominant and superior, why don't counties like Carlow and Leitrim and others who never win fúckall in GAA games ditch their good for nothing pasty white shysters and recruit a bunch of fit athletic black lads instead?

Then they might have a chance against superior teams.

Like Galway for example.

hook is usually talking b0llocks but imagine the outcry if the woman had said that whites were genetically superior

The poverty thing is a hilarious display of ignorance tbh.

The races differ in some characteristics. It's boring when people pretend otherwise. Sports like running and swimming are straight-forward, single things where one physical characteristic makes a massive difference. Soccer/GAA/Rugby involve a lot more technique. The technical areas in American Football are more racially balanced. Basketball is massively about height, giving an advantage to Blacks on average.

It's massively unlikely there'll be another white 100m world champion in the next several decades. It doesn't particular bother me.

Timmyctc

SoulTrader wrote: »

I don't know how you can make the assertion that most top athletes are black. I mean, without studying the background of every athlete, I don't know how you can even come to that conclusion.

She said that "black people are genetically superior" right? Genetic superiority does not just manifest itself in physical prowess and athleticism. Snooker is a sport, regardless of whether people play it in pubs or not. Please enlighten me with a substantiated fact that demonstrates that 'most top athletes are black'.

Well we can cross sports off one by one if you want. :pac: Here's a list of the top 100m mens sprinters. I haven't actually found a white man on the list yet. Tell me if/when you find one plz and thanks x

http://www.alltime-athletics.com/m_100ok.htm

SoulTrader

Timmyctc wrote: »

Well we can cross sports off one by one if you want. :pac: Here's a list of the top 100m mens sprinters. I haven't actually found a white man on the list yet. Tell me if/when you find one plz and thanks x

http://www.alltime-athletics.com/m_100ok.htm

That's not really the point.

Do you think that "black people are genetically superior to white people", as the OP said?

puzzle_box

Deleted User wrote: »

The poverty thing is a hilarious display of ignorance tbh.

The races differ in some characteristics. It's boring when people pretend otherwise. Sports like running and swimming are straight-forward, single things where one physical characteristic makes a massive difference. Soccer/GAA/Rugby involve a lot more technique. The technical areas in American Football are more racially balanced. Basketball is massively about height, giving an advantage to Blacks on average.

It's massively unlikely there'll be another white 100m world champion in the next several decades. It doesn't particular bother me.

i agree with you but in todays world of political correctness, no one would get away with saying whites were superior at anything , a particular sport or anything else

Timmyctc

SoulTrader wrote: »

That's not really the point.

Do you think that "black people are genetically superior to white people", as the OP said?

I'm pretty sure the point was made tongue in cheek but the actual discussion curtailing to whether or not different races are genetically superior in different ways has merit.

Here's the mens 200m btw

2 white men in the top 100 times (Didnt bother checking any further.)
There's a Documentary that proves OP's point actually

blackwhite

Lapin wrote: »

Interesting discussion on The Right Hook at the moment.

Yer one (The Doctor) reckons black people are genetically superior to white people. She points to all the great athletes and sports people to back this up.

I think she has a point.

Hook reckons black people excell because they all come from poor backgrounds and try harder to escape this poverty and become succesful as a result.

I think he's talking bollox.

But it got me thinking even further. If its obvious that black people are physically dominant and superior, why don't counties like Carlow and Leitrim and others who never win fúckall in GAA games ditch their good for nothing pasty white shysters and recruit a bunch of fit athletic black lads instead?

Then they might have a chance against superior teams.

Like Galway for example.

So much racially-generalising nonsense in one post.

The Sports Gene is one of the best things you could read on this topic, as it summarises most of the significant studies that have been done on the topic.

Certain tribes in east Africa (and the Rift Valley in particular) have genetic characteristics which mean that a higher proportion of them are pre-disposed to be better at long distance running than would be normal.

Certain decendants of a few West African tribes have genetic traits that lend themselves to being better sprinters.

Crass generalisations like the ones in your post are ridiculously ignorant of the genetics involved, and are so mind-numbingly inaccurate as to be worthless.

Pat Mustard

Blacks may be better at certain athletic activities than Whites and Asians.

http://m.livescience.com/10716-scientists-theorize-black-athletes-run-fastest.html

Blacks are not better at every athletic activity, and there many sports in which Whites and Asians are better.

Whites are better swimmers, apparently due to longer torsoes and more body fat.

ScumLord

SoulTrader wrote: »

That's not really the point.

Do you think that "black people are genetically superior to white people", as the OP said?

I think the only thing you can say is athletes have genetically superior physique to their peers. Every culture and community has a percentage of "warriors" that probably would have been the leader of their tribe/group back in prehistory through their physical superiority. Every group has them.

I still think MMA is the top sport, you have to have everything from strength to speed to intelligence to win an MMA fight. In MMA there is no clear advantage to any particular race.

SoulTrader

Timmyctc wrote: »

I'm pretty sure the point was made tongue in cheek but the actual discussion curtailing to whether or not different races are genetically superior in different ways has merit.

Here's the mens 200m btw

2 white men in the top 100 times (Didnt bother checking any further.)
There's a Documentary that proves OP's point actually

Well now you're backing up a different point.

I don't disagree that black people of West African origin are more likely to be better sprinters (not better 'athletes and sports people' as the OP posted). However, being better at sprinting does not make one race genetically superior.

Would you post a list of fastest swimmers in the world and posit it as proof that "white people are genetically superior to black people"?

Timmyctc

SoulTrader wrote: »

Well now you're backing up a different point.

I don't disagree that black people of West African origin are more likely to be better sprinters (not better 'athletes and sports people' as the OP posted). However, being better at sprinting does not make one race genetically superior.

Would you post a list of fastest swimmers in the world and posit it as proof that "white people are genetically superior to black people"?

No I would post that as evidence that whites are genetically superior at swimming to blacks.

puzzle_box

SoulTrader wrote: »

Well now you're backing up a different point.

I don't disagree that black people of West African origin are more likely to be better sprinters (not better 'athletes and sports people' as the OP posted). However, being better at sprinting does not make one race genetically superior.

Would you post a list of fastest swimmers in the world and posit it as proof that "white people are genetically superior to black people"?

they are when it comes to swimming but polite society would never allow such an admission

asian americans tend to be more academically gifted than white americans or african americans , thats also as plain as the nose on your face

ive no issue with the fact that blacks are superior sprinters than whites , none

Meangadh

Regarding GAA- firstly, I would imagine there isn't a huge tradition in Gaelic Games in black families, so people are less likely to play it if it's not encouraged at home.

Secondly, the majority of other cultures outside of traditional white Irish live in cities. Gaelic Games are probably more prevalent in rural areas.

There are notable exceptions of people from different backgrounds involved in GAA, e.g. The O hAilpins, Jason Sherlock, Lee Chin to name a few.

It's probably changing a bit- I often see children of all backgrounds with hurls and playing GAA sports- but the fact remains that the majority of people living in Ireland are white so it'll always be exceptional to have other backgrounds on GAA teams.

SoulTrader

Timmyctc wrote: »

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No I would post that as evidence that whites are genetically superior at swimming to blacks.

Fair enough then.

The OP's post was different though and didn't allude to the original comments being tongue-in-cheek.

puzzle_box

Timmyctc wrote: »

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No I would post that as evidence that whites are genetically superior at swimming to blacks.

political correctness involves flat our denying evidence of many things in order to maintain the bizzare narrative that every culture is indentical to every other culture

blackwhite

Timmyctc wrote: »

I'm pretty sure the point was made tongue in cheek but the actual discussion curtailing to whether or not different races are genetically superior in different ways has merit.

Here's the mens 200m btw

2 white men in the top 100 times (Didnt bother checking any further.)

There's also 21 Usain Bolt's in the top 100 times. :pac:

Generalisations based on black/white are indeed racist in this sort of context.

How many of the top 100 times were from eastern Africa? I stopped at 300 and there weren't any east Africans on the list. If all black people were automatically better sprinters then surely there'd be at least one African from the East of the continent in the top 300 times?

The genetics are much more complex than black=fast. A few very specific tribes and their decendants have evolved characteristics that make them more likely to develop into better sprinters.

puzzle_box

Meangadh wrote: »

Regarding GAA- firstly, I would imagine there isn't a huge tradition in Gaelic Games in black families, so people are less likely to play it if it's not encouraged at home.

Secondly, the majority of other cultures outside of traditional white Irish live in cities. Gaelic Games are probably more prevalent in rural areas.

There are notable exceptions of people from different backgrounds involved in GAA, e.g. The O hAilpins, Jason Sherlock, Lee Chin to name a few.

It's probably changing a bit- I often see children of all backgrounds with hurls and playing GAA sports- but the fact remains that the majority of people living in Ireland are white so it'll always be exceptional to have other backgrounds on GAA teams.

i hope black irish kids stay away from GAA as im a lot more interested in improving our national soccer team

puzzle_box

blackwhite wrote: »

There's also 21 Usain Bolt's in the top 100 times. :pac:

Generalisations based on black/white are indeed racist in this sort of context.

How many of the top 100 times were from eastern Africa? I stopped at 300 and there weren't any east Africans on the list. If all black people were automatically better sprinters then surely there'd be at least one African from the East of the continent in the top 300 times?

The genetics are much more complex than black=fast. A few very specific tribes and their decendants have evolved characteristics that make them more likely to develop into better sprinters.

so believing that blacks are superior sprinters to whites is a form of racism ?

ALiasEX

There needs to be quotas for whites in the 100m sprint.

No quotas for blacks in swimming though.

AndonHandon

So which group of Africans have massive dongs?

ScumLord

puzzle_box wrote: »

i hope black irish kids stay away from GAA as im a lot more interested in improving our national soccer team

I remember when the Brazilians first started coming to Ireland during the boom everybody got all excited about having a Ronaldo hurler. Brazilians over all are probably some of the best athletes in the world. If you look at that country there does seem to be some correlation between poverty and sporting excellence.

SoulTrader

SoulTrader wrote: »

Please enlighten me with a substantiated fact that demonstrates that 'most top athletes are black'.

Last Athletics world championships medallists (men)
100m - Black, Black, Black
200m - Black, Black, Black
400m - Black, Black, Dominican
800m - Black, White, Black
1500m - Black, White, White
5000m - Black, Black, Black
10,000m - Black, Black, Black
Marathon - Black, Black, Black
110m Hurdles - Black, Black, White
400m Hurdles - Black, Black, White
3000m Steeplechase - Black, Black, French-Algerian
20k Walk - White, Chinese, Spanish
50k Walk - White, White, White
4x100m - Jamaica (6 blacks), USA (4 blacks), Canada (4 blacks)
4x400m - USA (6 blacks), Jamacia (4 blacks), Russia (4 whites).

So out of those there's 50/67 medal winners in track events who were black.

wazky

Do you think GAA clubs don't let black people play OP, or is you just cray cray?

Meangadh

puzzle_box wrote: »

i hope black irish kids stay away from GAA as im a lot more interested in improving our national soccer team

I'd be more partial to GAA than soccer but I totally agree!

puzzle_box

ALiasEX wrote: »

There needs to be quotas for whites in the 100m sprint.

No quotas for blacks in swimming though.

id wager the latter is more likely to be on the PC brigades priority list

puzzle_box

ScumLord wrote: »

I remember when the Brazilians first started coming to Ireland during the boom everybody got all excited about having a Ronaldo hurler. Brazilians over all are probably some of the best athletes in the world. If you look at that country there does seem to be some correlation between poverty and sporting excellence.

apart from soccer , brazil are no great shakes at sport , they do poorly at the olympics for an enormous country , as do india

ScumLord

ScumLord wrote: »

I remember when the Brazilians first started coming to Ireland during the boom everybody got all excited about having a Ronaldo hurler. Brazilians over all are probably some of the best athletes in the world. If you look at that country there does seem to be some correlation between poverty and sporting excellence.

Aye, all those lads getting from the Favelas to become the Formula 1 World Champion. :pac:

Kermit.de.frog

Who is that Chinese guy that plays for the Wexford hurling team? He is pretty good.

blackwhite

puzzle_box wrote: »

so believing that blacks are superior sprinters to whites is a form of racism ?

Yes.

It's making sweeping generalisations about an entire race, based on a small genetic subset of that race.

If "blacks" are superiors sprinters then why is there no east African in the top 300 times for the 200m?

Meangadh

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Last Athletics world championships medallists (men)
100m - Black, Black, Black
200m - Black, Black, Black
400m - Black, Black, Dominican
800m - Black, White, Black
1500m - Black, White, White
5000m - Black, Black, Black
10,000m - Black, Black, Black
Marathon - Black, Black, Black
110m Hurdles - Black, Black, White
400m Hurdles - Black, Black, White
3000m Steeplechase - Black, Black, French-Algerian
20k Walk - White, Chinese, Spanish
50k Walk - White, White, White
4x100m - Jamaica (6 blacks), USA (4 blacks), Canada (4 blacks)
4x400m - USA (6 blacks), Jamacia (4 blacks), Russia (4 whites).

So out of those there's 50/67 medal winners in track events who were black.

In fairness, all that proves is that they can run/hurdle fast. Perhaps when other skills are incorporated for other sports, the success rate is lowered? Just an observation, haven't a clue what the facts are.

Meangadh

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Who is that Chinese guy that plays for the Wexford hurling team? He is pretty good.

Lee Chin. Mentioned him in an earlier post- he is pretty good alright.

blackwhite

blackwhite wrote: »

Yes.

It's making sweeping generalisations about an entire race, based on a small genetic subset of that race.

If "blacks" are superiors sprinters then why is there no east African in the top 300 times for the 200m?

Just to expand on this - the genetic qualities that the top sprinters have is something that has evolved over time due to the environments that their ancestors lived in, nothing to do with their skin colour.

SoulTrader

Deleted User wrote: »

Last Athletics world championships medallists (men)
100m - Black, Black, Black
200m - Black, Black, Black
400m - Black, Black, Dominican
800m - Black, White, Black
1500m - Black, White, White
5000m - Black, Black, Black
10,000m - Black, Black, Black
Marathon - Black, Black, Black
110m Hurdles - Black, Black, White
400m Hurdles - Black, Black, White
3000m Steeplechase - Black, Black, French-Algerian
20k Walk - White, Chinese, Spanish
50k Walk - White, White, White
4x100m - Jamaica (6 blacks), USA (4 blacks), Canada (4 blacks)
4x400m - USA (6 blacks), Jamacia (4 blacks), Russia (4 whites).

So out of those there's 50/67 medal winners in track events who were black.

Athletics is considered track and field, and you have selectively picked just track events.

What about field events, like javelin, hammer throw etc?

Besides, I don't disagree that black people from certain areas are better at sprinting. That does not make them "genetically superior". Or do you think it does?

Lapin

blackwhite wrote: »

So much racially-generalising nonsense in one post.

The Sports Gene is one of the best things you could read on this topic, as it summarises most of the significant studies that have been done on the topic.

Certain tribes in east Africa (and the Rift Valley in particular) have genetic characteristics which mean that a higher proportion of them are pre-disposed to be better at long distance running than would be normal.

Certain decendants of a few West African tribes have genetic traits that lend themselves to being better sprinters.

Crass generalisations like the ones in your post are ridiculously ignorant of the genetics involved, and are so mind-numbingly inaccurate as to be worthless.

Hey, don't point the gun at me.

I'm only relaying what yer one on the radio said. And she's a doctor so she knows stuff.

Apt username by the way.

Meangadh

Meangadh wrote: »

In fairness, all that proves is that they can run/hurdle fast. Perhaps when other skills are incorporated for other sports, the success rate is lowered? Just an observation, haven't a clue what the facts are.

Exactly, skills and training are levelers. Requiring equipment for a sport also confers an advantage to the better-off. In terms of "pure" physicality the best sprinters and runners are black by a large majority, swimming seems to favour whites (there's an argument about accessibility but I think body structure plays a role) and strength sports are hard to be impartial about given the amount of drugs used in them but there doesn't seem to be an obvious advantage for blacks. Off the top of my head I think at lower weights people from Central and Eastern Eurasia do pretty while as opposed to at higher weights.

c_man

puzzle_box wrote: »

i hope black irish kids stay away from GAA as im a lot more interested in improving our national soccer team

Then you better hope they enter the FAI and sort that org out.

JeffKenna

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Who is that Chinese guy that plays for the Wexford hurling team? He is pretty good.

To be fair now his as Irish as the come. Much the same with Zebo in Munster.