Petrol station.

from_atozinc

Ok, I know the title of the thread is slightly ironic.

Was in an apple green tonight on the N 11 near Wicklow, id say it's very new.

Now as we know every lad and his mother has a diesel car now.

But the thing that struck was that at each pump station there was 2 x petrol pumps and only 1 x diesel pump. ( and every pump station was like this )

With the way things are here with everyone being diesel mad and with the petrol station being relatively new, wouldn't ya think it would Be the other way round.

i.e. each pump station would have 2 x diesel pumps and 1 x petrol pump.

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime

from_atozinc wrote: »

Ok, I know the title of the thread is slightly ironic.

Was in an apple green tonight on the N 11 near Wicklow, id say it's very new.

Now as we know every lad and his mother has a diesel car now.

But the thing that struck was that at each pump station there was 2 x petrol pumps and only 1 x diesel pump. ( and every pump station was like this )

With the way things are here with everyone being diesel mad and with the petrol station being relatively new, wouldn't ya think it would Be the other way round.

i.e. each pump station would have 2 x diesel pumps and 1 x petrol pump.

Irrelevante... you cant use more than one pump per side at a time anyway.

visual

They design the station once and use a cookie cutter for new stations.

Also diesel cars are fueling less

jca

Glad I drive petrol..

john the one

If you out like it you should a stuck a poll on it.... Petrol, diesel or electric

jca

john the one wrote: »

If you out like it you should a stuck a poll on it.... Petrol, diesel or electric

Many down in the local?

magentis

john the one wrote: »

If you out like it you should a stuck a poll on it.... Petrol, diesel or electric

Lets not forget Atari jaguar.

from_atozinc

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime wrote: »

Irrelevante... you cant use more than one pump per side at a time anyway.

you'd think based on that so it would be just 1 x diesel pump and 1 x petrol per pump station.

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime

from_atozinc wrote: »

you'd think based on that so it would be just 1 x diesel pump and 1 x petrol per pump station.

Which is what i see nearly everywhere like maxol , topaz esso etc.

Applegreen are just bolloxs with crap fuel.

The last time i was at a petrol station with more than two pumps per filling station it also had kerosane, gas oil, ultimate superunleaded and ultimate diesel.

I think thats reason enough... not to have two the same.

corktina

You can't be a Petrolhead AND drive a diesel.

YbFocus

corktina wrote: »

You can't be a Petrolhead AND drive a diesel.

Bit of a silly statement corktina. I drive a diesel and I love my cars. Because of my mileage I must have one, the equivalent large capacity petrol would cost millions to run on fuel!
I also have a petrol astra for spinning about locally and just sold my track car.
You most certainly can love your cars and still require a diesel.

from_atozinc

YbFocus wrote: »

Bit of a silly statement corktina. I drive a diesel and I love my cars. Because of my mileage I must have one, the equivalent large capacity petrol would cost millions to run on fuel!
I also have a petrol astra for spinning about locally and just sold my track car.
You most certainly can love your cars and still require a diesel.

We'll said YB focus, I hate all this petrol head sh1t.

Is apple green fuel really that bad though. ?

b318isp

I suspect that this is the default configuration from the suppliers of the pumps.

95/98 octane pertol and diesel are often sold together around Europe, so 2 petrol and 1 diesel designs are probably the commonest (and hence cheapest) type to get.

MuppetCheck

from_atozinc wrote: »

Is apple green fuel really that bad though. ?

Think I have filled up there 2 or 3 times ever and each time it didn't give the same mileage and didn't run as smooth. Not scientific by any means but I wouldn't put it in the tank again based on that.

advertsfox

MuppetCheck wrote: »

Think I have filled up there 2 or 3 times ever and each time it didn't give the same mileage and didn't run as smooth. Not scientific by any means but I wouldn't put it in the tank again based on that.

Same here, I steer clear and generally fill up at Texaco or Esso (which the Gala on the Ratoath road has recently been changed to at my delight).

corktina

YbFocus wrote: »

Bit of a silly statement corktina. I drive a diesel and I love my cars. Because of my mileage I must have one, the equivalent large capacity petrol would cost millions to run on fuel!
I also have a petrol astra for spinning about locally and just sold my track car.
You most certainly can love your cars and still require a diesel.

nothing silly about it....you're just sore cos you have to drive a smelly diesel:D:p

YbFocus

corktina wrote: »

nothing silly about it....you're just sore cos you have to drive a smelly diesel:D:p

I think my mileage will be dropping in the near future so I hope to get back to petrol
But there is nothing wrong with it at all really, my 530d puts down 500Nm torque, it's quite an addictive kick from a daily!

from_atozinc

MuppetCheck wrote: »

Think I have filled up there 2 or 3 times ever and each time it didn't give the same mileage and didn't run as smooth. Not scientific by any means but I wouldn't put it in the tank again based on that.

Right. So what crowd do you think sells the best PETROL ?

YbFocus

from_atozinc wrote: »

Right. So what crowd do you think sells the best PETROL ?

I agree with the Applegreen thing though, my car always suffers.
Petrol and diesel from maxol is always fantastic, car develops a noticeable amount of more power and gets better mpg results.

djimi

Are there any stats on the breakdown of cars on the road (petrol vs diesel)? I know more new diesels are sold now, but overall is that the case? Lot of small older petrol cars still on the roads.

corktina

breakdown probably a poor choice of words.... I was thinking you wanted a tow-truck count. :-)

quadrifoglio verde

djimi wrote: »

Are there any stats on the breakdown of cars on the road (petrol vs diesel)? I know more new diesels are sold now, but overall is that the case? Lot of small older petrol cars still on the roads.

No idea but as diesels get on in years, think 2018 when they'll be 10 years old, then I can see lots of problems. Not with the engines mind you, but with the turbos.
A replacement turbo will cost a significant percentage of the cost of a 10 year old car to replace and I can't see many replacing them and it's around the ten year old mark that most people take on the run it into the ground attitude because it's not worth that much.
A lot of the older petrols that we still see on the roads are NA.

curiosity

djimi wrote: »

Are there any stats on the breakdown of cars on the road (petrol vs diesel)? I know more new diesels are sold now, but overall is that the case? Lot of small older petrol cars still on the roads.

http://dttas.ie/sites/default/files/publications/roads/english/irish-bulletin-vehicle-and-driver-statistics-2013/irish-bulletin-vehicle-and-driver-statistics-2013.pdf

Table 13

Petrol 1,199,451
Diesel 693,663

quadrifoglio verde

corktina wrote: »

breakdown probably a poor choice of words.... I was thinking you wanted a tow-truck count. :-)

As evidenced by my reply....feck sake I read it as what percentage of cars were breaking down :mad:

djimi

curiosity wrote: »

http://dttas.ie/sites/default/files/publications/roads/english/irish-bulletin-vehicle-and-driver-statistics-2013/irish-bulletin-vehicle-and-driver-statistics-2013.pdf

Table 13

Petrol 1,199,451
Diesel 693,663

Fair play.

There you have it so; two petrol cars for every diesel car on the road means two petrol pumps for every diesel pump :pac:

from_atozinc

curiosity wrote: »

http://dttas.ie/sites/default/files/publications/roads/english/irish-bulletin-vehicle-and-driver-statistics-2013/irish-bulletin-vehicle-and-driver-statistics-2013.pdf

Table 13

Petrol 1,199,451
Diesel 693,663

Jays us, was not expecting that to be honest.

curiosity

from_atozinc wrote: »

Jays us, was not expecting that to be honest.

There are still a huge amount of pre-CO2 cars on the road, and most of those are petrol. Also, people with petrol cars are perhaps more likely to just do €10 fills, whilst diesel types are brimmers?

Senecio

It has nothing to do with demand. As was pointed out earlier in the thread you can only use one at a time.

You have diesel on one hand and on the other you have 91/95/98 octane petrol. Therefore the need for multiple petrol pumps.

from_atozinc

curiosity wrote: »

There are still a huge amount of pre-CO2 cars on the road, and most of those are petrol. Also, people with petrol cars are perhaps more likely to just do €10 fills, whilst diesel types are brimmers?

Indeed but still didn't expect those figures. I know since 2008 nearly all diesel but then I have to take in to account all the cars before 2008 etc but still and all didn't think there would be nearly twice as many petrol as diesel cars.

Is this the reason why petrol is still more expensive in Ireland ?

quadrifoglio verde

Senecio wrote: »

It has nothing to do with demand. As was pointed out earlier in the thread you can only use one at a time.

You have diesel on one hand and on the other you have 91/95/98 octane petrol. Therefore the need for multiple petrol pumps.

Where is this high octane fuel. Years ago I think shell had a premium unleaded (long before I started driving), but now all I ever see is either unleaded or diesel.

Cleveland Hot Pocket

from_atozinc wrote: »

Indeed but still didn't expect those figures. I know since 2008 nearly all diesel but then I have to take in to account all the cars before 2008 etc but still and all didn't think there would be nearly twice as many petrol as diesel cars.

Is this the reason why petrol is still more expensive in Ireland ?

No, that's down to the slightly less duty charged on diesel.

from_atozinc

curiosity wrote: »

There are still a huge amount of pre-CO2 cars on the road, and most of those are petrol. Also, people with petrol cars are perhaps more likely to just do €10 fills, whilst diesel types are brimmers?

Also, what does the type of fills have to do with anything ?

Senecio

quadrifoglio verde wrote: »

Where is this high octane fuel. Years ago I think shell had a premium unleaded (long before I started driving), but now all I ever see is either unleaded or diesel.

They are around, but your're right they're not that common these days. The pump manufacturers accommodate the multiple grades. Many stations just pump the one grade through both pumps.

from_atozinc

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

No, that's down to the slightly less duty charged on diesel.

I'm sure that will soon change over the years when it's mainly diesel cars on the road !

curiosity

from_atozinc wrote: »

Indeed but still didn't expect those figures. I know since 2008 nearly all diesel but then I have to take in to account all the cars before 2008 etc but still and all didn't think there would be nearly twice as many petrol as diesel cars.

Is this the reason why petrol is still more expensive in Ireland ?

Car sales pre-CO2 were far higher than they've been in recent years. 180,754 in 2007, 71,348 in 2013. Most of those 2007 cars(128,00 approx) were petrol.

http://www.cso.ie/px/pxeirestat/Statire/SelectVarVal/Define.asp?maintable=TEA02&PLanguage=0

http://www.cso.ie/px/pxeirestat/Statire/SelectVarVal/Define.asp?maintable=TEA03&PLanguage=0

from_atozinc wrote: »

Also, what does the type of fills have to do with anything ?

Well, they're still occupying a pump! It's just a guess in my part.

Bandara

Petrol sales are roughy double that of Derv sales in the cities and slightly less than double outside in the rural areas.

Petrol is very much the king and this has not really changed noticibly in the past ten years.

Bandara

Also Applegreen are right to go with a 2 UNL and 1 Derv Configuration as it gives them the option to change the middle pump to Derv if needs be. You can't do this the other way around without huge cost and difficulty.

from_atozinc

Bandara wrote: »

Petrol sales are roughy double that of Derv sales in the cities and slightly less than double outside in the rural areas.

Petrol is very much the king and this has not really changed noticibly in the past ten years.

I know what you say is true based on the stats.,......but still hard to believe with all the diesel cars being sold since 2008.

from_atozinc

So as regards fuel quality -

Apple green seems to be low quality

Esso, texaco and maxol have got a positive vote.
Any one else ?

Foxhole Norman

I pretty much exclusively use Maxol, usually cheaper than the other local competitors and car seems to run well with it, not that I notice much of a difference on a 15 year old Yaris but I get good Mileage out of it.

It also has some unreal staff..........


No affiliation at all :pac:

JamesM

Just back from UK. All pumps had 95 and 97 octane unleaded, as well as diesel.

blackwhite

Bandara wrote: »

Petrol sales are roughy double that of Derv sales in the cities and slightly less than double outside in the rural areas.

Petrol is very much the king and this has not really changed noticibly in the past ten years.

In Ireland yes, but the trend in Europe is that diesel has very much taken over.

For example, in 2013 France consumed approx. 34bn litres of automotive diesel, but only just over 7bn litres of various petrol types (95, 95-E10, 98)

I'd expect we'll see much more of a shift to diesel in Ireland over the next 10 years.

from_atozinc

blackwhite wrote: »

In Ireland yes, but the trend in Europe is that diesel has very much taken over.

For example, in 2013 France consumed approx. 34bn litres of automotive diesel, but only just over 7bn litres of various petrol types (95, 95-E10, 98)

I'd expect we'll see much more of a shift to diesel in Ireland over the next 10 years.

I think your right.
that's some shift in France.

blackwhite

from_atozinc wrote: »

I think your right.
that's some shift in France.

For a typical French petrol station, the volume split is approx. 80% Diesel, 20% Petrol.

A large chunk of that would be driven by hauliers and the like.

The stats also don't detail if automotive diesel includes trains, although most of the French rail network is electrified so the impact wouldn't be huge.

b318isp

For France, diesel is as low as €125.9/L in the supermarkets, as of last month!

from_atozinc

b318isp wrote: »

For France, diesel is as low as €125.9/L in the supermarkets, as of last month!

fook, that wud be nice

what's the price of standard unleaded in France ?

blackwhite

b318isp wrote: »

For France, diesel is as low as €125.9/L in the supermarkets, as of last month!

The Hypermarkets and the unmanned stations are generally the cheapest there,



http://www.prix-carburants.gouv.fr/

They also have this, Government run website.

Forecourt operators are legally obliged to upload their prices, so it's normally well up to date, and very handy for price comparisons.

blackwhite

from_atozinc wrote: »

fook, that wud be nice

what's the price of standard unleaded in France ?

SP95-E10 (which is generally the cheapest petrol grade) is currently pricing between €1.40-€1.45, depending on where you go (and obviously motorway stations are a lot more expensive).

blackwhite

from_atozinc wrote: »

fook, that wud be nice

what's the price of standard unleaded in France ?

Also, the lower price of fuel in France is more to do with market conditions that taxes. The taxes aren't a whole lot different.

France has 10 active refineries to Ireland's 1.

France is also the domestic market of one of the oil majors (Total), who owns 6 of the refineries there.

from_atozinc

from_atozinc wrote: »

So as regards fuel quality -

Apple green seems to be low quality

Esso, texaco and maxol have got a positive vote.
Any one else ?

anyone else on who is best to fill up with ?

Bandara

from_atozinc wrote: »

anyone else on who is best to fill up with ?

For the 7493rd time. THEY ARE ALL THE SAME.

TOP or Valero.