Machinery shed

just do it

Looking fore ideas/ dimensions for a simple machinery shed. I keep machinery to a minimum so it is just for bits and pieces like the vicon, chain harrow, bale handler, transport box and roller. And the tractor of course! No intention of getting slurry gear or silage gear at the moment at least but a mower is a possibility. The shed is for shelter from the wild west wetter so a lean-to is an option. Also an idea is cost would be good.

Zr105

just do it wrote: »

Looking fore ideas/ dimensions for a simple machinery shed. I keep machinery to a minimum so it is just for bits and pieces like the vicon, chain harrow, bale handler, transport box and roller. And the tractor of course! No intention of getting slurry gear or silage gear at the moment at least but a mower is a possibility. The shed is for shelter from the wild west wetter so a lean-to is an option. Also an idea is cost would be good.

No help on cost, but a wide and shallow shed is handiest, if you go lean to and leave the high side open its easier to get stuff in. Long narrow sheds with the opening at the end is a balls as there's always something in front of whatever you need...

Reggie.

just do it wrote: »

Looking fore ideas/ dimensions for a simple machinery shed. I keep machinery to a minimum so it is just for bits and pieces like the vicon, chain harrow, bale handler, transport box and roller. And the tractor of course! No intention of getting slurry gear or silage gear at the moment at least but a mower is a possibility. The shed is for shelter from the wild west wetter so a lean-to is an option. Also an idea is cost would be good.

Look back through the threads as there was a good one about sheds a while back

just do it

Reggie
Was doing a few searches but nothing standing out. Do you remember the title? Or who started it?

just do it

Zr105 wrote: »

No help on cost, but a wide and shallow shed is handiest, if you go lean to and leave the high side open its easier to get stuff in. Long narrow sheds with the opening at the end is a balls as there's always something in front of whatever you need...

Makes sense. Would only need enough depth to give a decent overhang to keep weather out from the open side.

Zr105

just do it wrote: »

Makes sense. Would only need enough depth to give a decent overhang to keep weather out from the open side.

Yeah even just throw gale breaker stuff over one bay that has the stuff you dont need regularly, it'll keep out a fair bit. Also if going to say a 3 bay id put a lattice beam across the front so that you have one 31'6 opening, can often leave you with enough room to get an extra machine in.


Just thinking there while i was typing if its only for the few bits you mention above would you think of possibly a 3 bay and block off one bay and put doors on it so that you can reverse the tractor in and lock it/ any diesel and light hand tools up easily, then have the other 2 open for the machinery?

just do it

It would depend on cost. I've a coastal location so the main reason is to protect the machinery from rust. How wide are you thinking with the bays in the 3 bay? I see lads mentioning upto 20ft wide

Zr105

just do it wrote: »

It would depend on cost. I've a coastal location so the main reason is to protect the machinery from rust. How wide are you thinking with the bays in the 3 bay?

Well standard bay is 4.8meters or 15ft9 in old money(6*3 roof timbers come in 4.8m lengths) and id go just sort of deep enough to get tractor and loader in under the roof handy. Although you could got for 20ft bays with 9*3 timbers or else galv purlins

bogman_bass

Unless you have high value kit like a combine I don't think it pays to put up a shed for them

rushvalley

bogman_bass wrote: »

Unless you have high value kit like a combine I don't think it pays to put up a shed for them

So what then? Leave them outside in all sorts of weather to become riddled with rust and reduce their working life which in turn makes it more expensive for lads to have machines if they have to replace them more often... A shed doesn't have to meet grant spec just once it keeps the machines dry.

just do it

bogman_bass wrote: »

Unless you have high value kit like a combine I don't think it pays to put up a shed for them

Sea air rots things quickly around here. The extra lifespan of machinery would pay for it I reckon.

ABlur

Three bay double fully closed in 20ft widesliding door cost about 16 k here. Tractor, a few machines few bales workbench wood storage etc. Well worth it imo.

poor farmer

Zr105 wrote: »

No help on cost, but a wide and shallow shed is handiest, if you go lean to and leave the high side open its easier to get stuff in. Long narrow sheds with the opening at the end is a balls as there's always something in front of whatever you need...

Good advice 6m bays definately a lot better for machinery.

blue5000

OP salt is in the air where you live, if you build a simple lean-to you'll just keep rain off, not the salty air. I reckon you'll need something enclosed. Roofing is costing approx 3 euro per foot x 1 m wide.

bogman_bass

rushvalley wrote: »

So what then? Leave them outside in all sorts of weather to become riddled with rust and reduce their working life which in turn makes it more expensive for lads to have machines if they have to replace them more often... A shed doesn't have to meet grant spec just once it keeps the machines dry.

The machines you've mentioned, chain harrow, roller, bale carrier are all sollid machines that will last no less time for a little rain falling on them. They are also all relatively cheep. You could replace the lot of them for less than the price of the shed.

I've yet to see "being left outside" being put down as the cause of death for a machine

Reggie.

bogman_bass wrote: »

The machines you've mentioned, chain harrow, roller, bale carrier are all sollid machines that will last no less time for a little rain falling on them. They are also all relatively cheep. You could replace the lot of them for less than the price of the shed.

I've yet to see "being left outside" being put down as the cause of death for a machine

Rakes, tedders and balers don't like water

dzer2

Reggie. wrote: »

Rakes, tedders and balers don't like water

Mowers, wrappers tractors add to that list

Greengrass1

Any machinery head that comes into our yard goes cracked when they see the best if machinery out in the winter.
Have got a shed this yr to hold machinery thank god.
They really have deteriorated in last few yrs

bogman_bass

just do it wrote: »

Sea air rots things quickly around here. The extra lifespan of machinery would pay for it I reckon.

Sea air also reduces the lifespan of your shed remember.

Do the maths. Say leaving machines out reduces its lifespan by 20% (I think I'm being very generous at that) Add up the value of your machines and get 20% of it. If that is more than the value of the shed then build it. If not then leave it be

td5man

dzer2 wrote: »

Mowers, wrappers tractors add to that list

And wagons.

bogman_bass

Reggie. wrote: »

Rakes, tedders and balers don't like water

OP has mentioned none of those

dzer2

bogman_bass wrote: »

OP has mentioned none of those

I realize that but the man wants to do it right if more people done that there would be a real good second hand machinery trade here rather that importing stuff.

bogman_bass

td5man wrote: »

And wagons.

They all fall into the high value bracket I mentioned earlier

A roller is not going to fall apart in the rain though

smokey-fitz

Regardless of cost in relation of saving money, the comfort and handyness is worth it imo.

You can also use the shed for other purposes, if its a 3 bay you can have a bay to hold a load of bales or if you decided to rare a few calves or something. Also with maintenance of the few bits of machinery, theres alot more comfort in a well sheltered shed than a open yard out in the elements especially near the coast.

Nekarsulm

How many square balers were scrapped because they were left lying out? Usually they only die when the main chassis rusts, last year saw models from the 1960's pulled out of sheds for the first time in a decade and most worked with minimal intervention.

Remember however, that if you store hay or straw in a shed with machinery, you have no fire insurance cover.

Reggie.

Nekarsulm wrote: »

How many square balers were scrapped because they were left lying out? Usually they only die when the main chassis rusts, last year saw models from the 1960's pulled out of sheds for the first time in a decade and most worked with minimal intervention.

Remember however, that if you store hay or straw in a shed with machinery, you have no fire insurance cover.

That I didn't know about the hay and straw.

Seen many square bakers scrapped around here due to the knotters messed up with rust from being left out for years

just do it

just do it wrote: »

Looking fore ideas/ dimensions for a simple machinery shed. The shed is for shelter from the wild west wetter so a lean-to is an option. Also an idea is cost would be good.

Back to ideas for a simple machinery shed. I see 60-30-14 on another thread and was thinking 40-30-14 would suffice for me i.e. 2 wide bays. Would 20-25ft deep suffice? Probably note to leave a decent overhang?

Its very exposed so I've been advised to go for poured solid walls. 5 ft would be fine i reckon and being the sheeting down. I reckon that comes to €1800 for sheeting going on Reggie's rate. A 6 inch wall 5 ft high will work out at 25m3 of concrete roughly another €1800. That leaves pillars and roofing structure. Anyone fancy a guess? Some groundworks. What's missing?

Reggie.

just do it wrote: »

Back to ideas for a simple machinery shed. I see 60-30-14 on another thread and was thinking 40-30-14 would suffice for me i.e. 2 wide bays. Would 20-25ft deep suffice? Probably note to leave a decent overhang?

Its very exposed so I've been advised to go for poured solid walls. 5 ft would be fine i reckon and being the sheeting down. I reckon that comes to €1800 for sheeting going on Reggie's rate. A 6 inch wall 5 ft high will work out at 25m3 of concrete roughly another €1800. That leaves pillars and roofing structure. Anyone fancy a guess? Some groundworks. What's missing?

A bit of 804 for the floor of it maybe

Nekarsulm

A run of underground cable and a MCB box on the wall.

dzer2

just do it wrote: »

Back to ideas for a simple machinery shed. I see 60-30-14 on another thread and was thinking 40-30-14 would suffice for me i.e. 2 wide bays. Would 20-25ft deep suffice? Probably note to leave a decent overhang?

Its very exposed so I've been advised to go for poured solid walls. 5 ft would be fine i reckon and being the sheeting down. I reckon that comes to €1800 for sheeting going on Reggie's rate. A 6 inch wall 5 ft high will work out at 25m3 of concrete roughly another €1800. That leaves pillars and roofing structure. Anyone fancy a guess? Some groundworks. What's missing?

If it were me I will be digging pads and putting in hold down bolts. Then standing my pillars putting a ring beam between the pillars and building a block wall on the ring beam That way you can get the roof up and aide sheeting on then plod away at the block work when time suits. As it is a machinery shed a load of stone in the floor rolled is good enough until finance allows for a floated finish concrete area.

just do it

bogman_bass wrote: »

The machines you've mentioned, chain harrow, roller, bale carrier are all sollid machines that will last no less time for a little rain falling on them. They are also all relatively cheep. You could replace the lot of them for less than the price of the shed.

I've yet to see "being left outside" being put down as the cause of death for a machine

I appreciate your argument BB, and what I'm looking for is a handy sized simple shed and therefore cheap. I bought a decent tractor last autumn that was well minded and it has deteriorated a lot since then. I've parked it in the slatted house but this isn't great when there's cattle housed. A safe cab is important as I've young kids. Another year or two outside and there could be gaps with edges etc. Also frames on those few bits of machinery I mentioned are suffering.

GrandSoftDay

just do it wrote: »

I appreciate your argument BB, and what I'm looking for is a handy sized simple shed and therefore cheap. I bought a decent tractor last autumn that was well minded and it has deteriorated a lot since then. I've parked it in the slatted house but this isn't great when there's cattle housed. A safe cab is important as I've young kids. Another year or two outside and there could be gaps with edges etc. Also frames on those few bits of machinery I mentioned are suffering.

Agreed JDI, knowing where you are I don't think a lot of people would appreciate just how much weather you see. I'm 3 miles from the sea here and after a stormy night in winter the windows of the house and cars would be covered in salt and it's a lot more bleak in your area. There seems to be plenty of small kit sheds like that for sale on dd if you have a root through it. I have no idea of cost really but given where you are I would say that you would be as well off going for dipped steel.

just do it

Yup, dipping is essential around here

Reggie.

If you don't like steel try this for your roof.

td5man

Reggie. wrote: »

If you don't like steel try this for your roof.

There's no "sign" of that blowing away. ;-)

Reggie.

td5man wrote: »

There's no "sign" of that blowing away. ;-)

Less of that you....back into your box

Odelay

Reggie. wrote: »

If you don't like steel try this for your roof.

I'd have no problems using timber for a shed, nothing wrong if used correctly. Also doing a job at work using treated 6x3 on the flat for a wall, must work out the costs, may well to be cheaper than shuttering and easier to remove should the need arise.

rushvalley

Reggie. wrote: »

If you don't like steel try this for your roof.

And if you really don't want to use steel and save on money buy a bunch of esb poles to use for the uprights and girders. 100 euro will buy you 8/9 poles round here anyways.

have2flushtwice

Odelay wrote: »

I'd have no problems using timber for a shed, nothing wrong if used correctly. Also doing a job at work using treated 6x3 on the flat for a wall, must work out the costs, may well to be cheaper than shuttering and easier to remove should the need arise.

Bought 18 ft of 6x3 for 18 euro a length. Not planed, its rough. Have to get d galvanize now, thats d pricey bit!
Thats to redo a bad roof.

Iv to do a small lean to onto same shed. Iv second hand galvanize, that got nail holes in it. Goin to put a bolt in and seal the holes before i put it up. Wont mind a drip in it if it happens, its just to keep the "big rain' off a digger and trailer. If there is a drip a bucket wil do the trick!

have2flushtwice

Odelay wrote: »

I'd have no problems using timber for a shed, nothing wrong if used correctly. Also doing a job at work using treated 6x3 on the flat for a wall, must work out the costs, may well to be cheaper than shuttering and easier to remove should the need arise.

Bought 18 ft of 6x3 for 18 euro a length. Not planed, its rough. Have to get d galvanize now, thats d pricey bit!
Thats to redo a bad roof.

Iv to do a small lean to onto same shed. Iv second hand galvanize, that got nail holes in it. Goin to put a bolt in and seal the holes before i put it up. Wont mind a drip in it if it happens, its just to keep the "big rain' off a digger and trailer. If there is a drip a bucket wil do the trick!

Muckit

Reggie. wrote: »

If you don't like steel try this for your roof.

Very well made shed. There was street lighting on your road, now I noticed it's gone very dark at night!

Your missus must be a fit woman hopping in and out over that dump trailer! !

Reggie.

Muckit wrote: »

Very well made shed. There was street lighting on your road, now I noticed it's gone very dark at night!

Your missus must be a fit woman hopping in and out over that dump trailer! !

The poles are off motorway signs. I'm the turf haulier around here

just do it

Reggie. wrote: »

If you don't like steel try this for your roof.

Good man Reggie. I was going digging to see could i find this shed as i remember when you put those photos up first. Now what are the dimensions?

Reggie.

just do it wrote: »

Good man Reggie. I was going digging to see could i find this shed as i remember when you put those photos up first. Now what are the dimensions?

35 wide by 30 deep

just do it

Reggie. wrote: »

35 wide by 30 deep

And heights?

Reggie.

just do it wrote: »

And heights?

14ft at front to 12ft at rear

GrandSoftDay

Are those poles hard to come across reggie? It's a good looking job.

just do it

Reggie. wrote: »

35 wide by 30 deep

Looking at my yard this evening and I think the ideal location will make for a 35-40 ft wide shed being 20 ft deep in one corner going to ~25 ft deep in the other corner. I'd also a height and slope like yours in mind. Must bring the tape down with me in the morning.

poor farmer

Reggie. wrote: »

If you don't like steel try this for your roof.

Fine job that ,very useful around any house.

Reggie.

just do it wrote: »

Looking at my yard this evening and I think the ideal location will make for a 35-40 ft wide shed being 20 ft deep in one corner going to ~25 ft deep in the other corner. I'd also a height and slope like yours in mind. Must bring the tape down with me in the morning.

If your ever in my area you can inspect away

Reggie.

GrandSoftDay wrote: »

Are those poles hard to come across reggie? It's a good looking job.

Chatted the lads changing over the signs around Mullingar. Getting rid of the poles for a criss cross pattern design one. Supposed to be safer. Saved them collecting them with the truck the next day apparently