Premier League 2014-15 thread (stuff 'n nonsense)

Harry Palmr

A catch all place for bit and pieces news and comment
Starting with the revelation that stadiums are not as full as you'd expect

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/arsenal/11033221/Arsenal-announce-attendances-6000-higher-than-official-Met-Police-figures.html

Data published on the blog 'a is for arsenal' following a Freedom of Information request to the MPS shows the latter recorded an average attendance of 53,788 at the 60,338-capacity ground for all Arsenal matches last season, an occupancy figure of 89.1 per cent.

That is almost 10 per cent lower than the 99.1% average released by the club and would suggest an alarming number of no-shows for matches – 173,945 in total during 2013-14, or an average of 6,550 per game.

Such stark figures are not limited to Arsenal either, with a similar FOI request to Greater Manchester Police last season revealing it had recorded much lower attendances for Manchester United matches at Old Trafford than the club, the difference in one case being almost 25,000.

I think most of us already knew this was the case in fairness.

Also Palace manager Tony Pulis is threatening to walk over lack of funds.

http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/tony-puliss-crystal-palace-future-in-doubt-as-steve-parish-refuses-to-confirm-he-will-be-in-charge-for-opener-9669080.html

Tony Pulis’s position as Crystal Palace boss was thrown into doubt today after betting on him leaving the club was suspended and co-chairman Steve Parish was unable to confirm the manager would be in charge for Saturday’s Premier League opener.

Pulis joined Palace last November with their top-flight future on the line but he was named Premier League Manager of the Year in May after keeping the club in the division.

The 56-year-old took training at the club’s HQ today, however, Standard Sport understands he has clashed with Parish on several occasions during the summer over new signings

razorblunt

Been on holiday for 2 weeks, this new sky sports he's setup is farcical.

SureYWouldntYa

razorblunt wrote: »

Been on holiday for 2 weeks, this new sky sports he's setup is farcical.

Plus it's on 401 instead of 405 now. It's gonna take me years to adjust

Corholio

Pulis rumoured to be gone from Palace.

ctrl-alt-delete

SureYWouldntYa wrote: »

Plus it's on 401 instead of 405 now. It's gonna take me years to adjust

That is doing my head in,

401 should be SS1 and so on until SS5,

If they are moving SSN anyways, why did they not just create a new number?

Harry Palmr

If he walks then one of West Brom/Burnley/Leicester manager knows who'll replace him

eh i dunno

Pullis officially gone...madness

Augmerson

eh i dunno wrote: »

Pullis officially gone...madness

Where do you see that reported man?

eh i dunno

Augmerson wrote: »

Where do you see that reported man?

Oliver Kay ‏@OliverKayTimes 7m
Tony Pulis has left Crystal Palace following disagreements over transfer policy. Official confirmation shortly.

Pighead

Looks like there won't be as many vines (showing goals/incidents) knocking about next season.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/premier-league/premier-league-set-to-clamp-down-on-unofficial-vine-videos-of-goals-as-they-get-tough-on-copyright-laws-30511257.html

Paully D

Pighead wrote: »

Looks like there won't be as many vines (showing goals/incidents) knocking about next season.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/premier-league/premier-league-set-to-clamp-down-on-unofficial-vine-videos-of-goals-as-they-get-tough-on-copyright-laws-30511257.html

They can't stop it and they're kidding themselves if they think they can. As soon as one comes down another will pop up.

It was the same with illegal streaming. A couple of seasons ago they were going to clamp down on it, no pubs would be able to show games at 3pm etc etc. A couple of weeks later and some other card or box had come on the market and it was all systems go again. It's the same with streaming websites. As soon as one shuts down another one appears.

GavRedKing

Paully D wrote: »

They can't stop it and they're kidding themselves if they think they can. As soon as one comes down another will pop up.

It was the same with illegal streaming. A couple of seasons ago they were going to clamp down on it, no pubs would be able to show games at 3pm etc etc. A couple of weeks later and some other card or box had come on the market and it was all systems go again. It's the same with streaming websites. As soon as one shuts down another one appears.

Its very posible if it infringes coyright law we'll have to ban them from here too as to not open up the site to a liable action.

You can thank Sean Sherlock for that.

Knex*

Had to redo my fantasy football team this morning, now that Pulis is gone. Can't be relying on Palace players now!

Pighead

Paully D wrote: »

They can't stop it and they're kidding themselves if they think they can. As soon as one comes down another will pop up.

It was the same with illegal streaming. A couple of seasons ago they were going to clamp down on it, no pubs would be able to show games at 3pm etc etc. A couple of weeks later and some other card or box had come on the market and it was all systems go again. It's the same with streaming websites. As soon as one shuts down another one appears.

Was talking more about vines on boards rather than the internet in general. Shame, as they were a great feature of match threads last season.

Just out of curiosity is the ban on vines a pre-emptive 'we're getting rid of them before anybody threatens us' or is it a case that there have been warnings given to boards previously? Practically every other football related website on the net have continued with their vine/gif usage today.

Darkglasses

Pighead wrote: »

Just out of curiosity is the ban on vines a pre-emptive 'we're getting rid of them before anybody threatens us' or is it a case that there have been warnings given to boards previously? Practically every other football related website on the net have continued with their vine/gif usage today.

In relation to vines it is pre-emptive yeah, but I'm fairly sure boards has received warnings and letters about other copyright issues. Not something I know a lot about. In fact I know practically nothing about it. We just have to do what the people in HQ tell us on this.

It is a stinking shame though, they were great for threads for sure.

batistuta9

@Pighead

sure wasn't it you brought it up in the first place anyway?

boards are scared shítless of getting sued, perhaps rightly, from what i've read on threads on anything that'd possibly give them bother.

combination of a lack of resources + strict irish libel laws the reasons given mostly, though those threads are usually on a lock/removal of discussion on whoever.
with copyright it's pretty similar, possibly illegal = no go

Harry Palmr

Spurs red card - West Ham don;t convert peno.

Kess73

Pighead wrote: »

Was talking more about vines on boards rather than the internet in general. Shame, as they were a great feature of match threads last season.

Just out of curiosity is the ban on vines a pre-emptive 'we're getting rid of them before anybody threatens us' or is it a case that there have been warnings given to boards previously? Practically every other football related website on the net have continued with their vine/gif usage today.

Just to touch on what DG said already. It is indeed pre-emptive, but based on edicts the site received in the past with regards to things like the publishing/providing links to streams of EPL copyrighted material and the like.

Like DG, I am another who loved to see a gif or Vine vid pop up in a match thread during a game, because it really did provide the spark for some cracking discussions/debate.

It is not a popular move, but it is the right one for the site has to make at present. Things may change when more is known, but for now it is what it is.

COYVB

looks like refs have been told to clamp down on foul throws. seen a few of them called so far today, when they used to pretty much be ignored

Kirby

GavRedKing wrote: »

Its very posible if it infringes coyright law we'll have to ban them from here too as to not open up the site to a liable action.

You can thank Sean Sherlock for that.

Darkglasses wrote: »

In relation to vines it is pre-emptive yeah, but I'm fairly sure boards has received warnings and letters about other copyright issues. Not something I know a lot about. In fact I know practically nothing about it. We just have to do what the people in HQ tell us on this.

It is a stinking shame though, they were great for threads for sure.

This is fairly ridiculous tbh.

Getting sued would be a disaster for Boards no doubt but if all it takes is a vague, threatening and likely baseless letter to make the hierarchy sh*t themselves and change policy, there is something wrong.

Surely somebody involved with the running of Boards has a friend or relative with some knowledge of the law or somebody who works in the industry. Somebody who would be more than happy to help bat this sort of rubbish away free of charge and have the legal knowledge to back it up.

Honestly if you guys asked for help with a sticky on the legal forum, you would get a bunch of volunteers. These people would likely enjoy their newfound legend status throughout the site. :P

flazio

Anyone else find Setanta's new clock, erm, interesting?

Kess73

Kirby wrote: »

This is fairly ridiculous tbh.

Getting sued would be a disaster for Boards no doubt but if all it takes is a vague, threatening and likely baseless letter to make the hierarchy sh*t themselves and change policy, there is something wrong.

Surely somebody involved with the running of Boards has a friend or relative with some knowledge of the law or somebody who works in the industry. Somebody who would be more than happy to help bat this sort of rubbish away free of charge and have the legal knowledge to back it up.

Honestly if you guys asked for help with a sticky on the legal forum, you would get a bunch of volunteers. These people would likely enjoy their newfound legend status throughout the site. :P

To be fair, anything of a legal nature does get run past the correctly qualified folk and their advice is what shapes what gets fed down to forum level for the rest of us.

I think if you only have to look at how the likes of Squawka have responded today to see that a lot of sites are not regarding it as a vague threat from the EPL.

People don't like it, people are taking the pee out of it, but you are not going to see too many sites wanting to be the test case for all of this, certainly not any medium to high volume site anyway.

It is just something that the site will err on the side of caution over until more facts are known. As said in a few other threads already, we may see a relaxing on this rule in ther future depending on what comes from those with the aforementioned legal knowledge, but for now it is just something we all have to go along with with regards to posting in this forum.

hullaballoo

Kirby wrote: »

This is fairly ridiculous tbh.

Getting sued would be a disaster for Boards no doubt but if all it takes is a vague, threatening and likely baseless letter to make the hierarchy sh*t themselves and change policy, there is something wrong.

Surely somebody involved with the running of Boards has a friend or relative with some knowledge of the law or somebody who works in the industry. Somebody who would be more than happy to help bat this sort of rubbish away free of charge and have the legal knowledge to back it up.

Honestly if you guys asked for help with a sticky on the legal forum, you would get a bunch of volunteers. These people would likely enjoy their newfound legend status throughout the site. :P

Already on offer.

Harry Palmr

MOTD marking 50 years tonight

The first ever programme, on BBC2 featured Liverpool 3 2 Arsenal.

ShatterProof

flazio wrote: »

Anyone else find Setanta's new clock, erm, interesting?

And a very shakey pic ????

Paully D

Results from today:



I watched Chelsea v Leicester. Leicester can count themselves a bit unlucky I think. Nugent missed a one-on-one at 0-0 midway through the second half. Very good stop from Courtois. Chelsea got the job done ultimately however.

Good result for West Ham at Palace. A big few weeks coming up for Palace with their managerial appointment and some very winnable games.

Harry Palmr

Barry Davies on MOTD, nice to hear him again. I'd sooner have his slightly creaky voice than the likes of Guy Mobary and that *^*& Jonathan Pearce.

And old school graphics!

Stevecw

Loved the old school graphics there, MOTD is still such a must watch

Harry Palmr

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Barry Davies on MOTD, nice to hear him again. I'd sooner have his slightly creaky voice than the likes of Guy Mobary and that *^*& Jonathan Pearce.

And old school graphics!

Stevecw wrote: »

Loved the old school graphics there, MOTD is still such a must watch

Ah the old school graphics were just brill and in particular the clock showing how much of the forty five minutes had elapsed.

Think they might have missed a trick though by not putting the name of the scorer on the screen after a goal

Vinz Mesrine

For anyone interested, the first ever MOTD is on the red button on BBC one.

Harry Palmr

Jose Mourinho wants "time outs" (ugh!) in both halfs for additional coaching tip time.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/chelsea/11054046/Jose-Mourinho-calls-on-footballs-lawmakers-to-allow-NFL-style-timeouts-during-play-for-coaching-purposes.html

Jose Mourinho has called on the International Football Association Board, world football’s rule maker, to allow managers an NFL-style ‘timeout’ in each half to coach their players.

“Football is very slow to change the rules,” Mourinho said.

“How many years have we had to wait for goalline technology? I hope I am still in football when they give the coach the chance to stop the game during the first half once and during the second half because you can make the game much better.”

Seriously - feck off!

Skylinehead

What's wrong with touchline instructions?

Harry Palmr

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Jose Mourinho wants "time outs" (ugh!) in both halfs for additional coaching tip time.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/chelsea/11054046/Jose-Mourinho-calls-on-footballs-lawmakers-to-allow-NFL-style-timeouts-during-play-for-coaching-purposes.html



Seriously - feck off!

Ah yes, how else will he reaffirm to all of his players on field to stay behind the ball as they are 1-0 up against a decent team and at the same time his little timeout would be killing any momentum the other team can build up :rolleyes:

What a truly detestable man he is. He is probably the only one this side of the Atlantic calling for this utterly daft rule to be brought in but yet he has the bare faced cheek to mention this 'innovation' in the same sentence as goal line technology. This is just another brain fart littered with his own vested interest. It has to be all about his ego as he wants to be seen on camera relaying his instructions to the players. He really is a horrible little man :mad:

Harry Palmr

Not nonsense - Stoke lead and Swansea are likely to be the league leaders tonight!

Agent Coulson

It was a bloody good goal by Diouf.

Darkglasses

Agent Coulson wrote: »

It was a bloody good goal by Diouf.

Top class in fairness, worth a look on MOTD later. Ran about 3/4 of the pitch with little or no support.

Agent Coulson

Well done to Garry Monk who must have been one of the favorites to be the first manager sacked this season on his way to 3 wins from 3 and top of the league.

Harry Palmr

Thought this was interesting and is very pertinent for one club in particular

http://www.bettingexpert.com/blog/age-performance-football (scroll down to Age And Goal Scoring Ability)

Harry Palmr

QPR could be relegated due to financial failures to the

Conference

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/sep/09/queens-park-rangers-football-league-ffp

rob316

Harry Palmr wrote: »

QPR could be relegated due to financial failures to the

Conference

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/sep/09/queens-park-rangers-football-league-ffp

He does have a point though, the wage difference between the premier league and championship is huge so a club after been relegated should be given time to get there house in order again, although isn't that what parachute payments are for to offset the PL overheads.

Harry Palmr

WBA are going down aren't they

Reganio 2

anybody know a good android app for all the scores that updates itself?

COYVB

Reganio 2 wrote: »

anybody know a good android app for all the scores that updates itself?

livescore

ScummyMan

Sky Sports football centre is pretty good too.

Frankie Lee

Man Utd joint bottom of the table at the moment.

dubmick

your man who does the Newstalk phone in is terrible. Doesn't sound knowledgeable about football at all.

Donnielighto

So with transfer activity for the first half of the season done what are people's takes?

Chelsea look like top dogs for me though at the bottom I dont think any team stands out as being too far off a few others.

Harry Palmr

Chelsea look to be one Costa injury away from disaster! They can't defend, City are clearly a bit weaker than expected with a few out, Liverpool are stuttering with their own injuries, Utd thrashed a hapless QPR so that remains to be seen. Actually every team looks thoroughly vulnerable.

Harry Palmr

Burnley have got no proper strikers fit and its 400 mins since they scored a goal.

Harry Palmr

Its anyone's right now.

thelad95

Is it just me or have the 'top' teams dropped an an unusually large amount of point already for this time of the year?