"What is retro? " discussion....

CiDeRmAn

Not a "What is Retr0" discussion, that we will never know.

No,
What I'm getting at is, with the first year of PS4 fast approaching.
With the PS3 lifespan being quite long as a first string console for Sony.
Isn't it time to think of the PS2 as retro at last?
And what does retro (not Retr0) mean anyway?
And how does this differ from a console being "cult", it seems the Dreamcast was a cult machine immediately after being discontinued, so what does "cult" mean in the context of videogames.
Are there consoles that are cult but not retro? Are there consoles that are retro but not cult?
So many questions!

Retr0gamer

No definition really. I'm usually buying games now that are new that I feel will be hard to find in the future.

I don't think it really matters to be honest unless you are the weirdos that think anything after the spectrum can't be retro.

krudler

I guess any consoles that aren't still in production would be retro.

For me retro is something that I can easily identify a specific time or place with the memories of playing certain games. Now granted you can apply that to anything really but there are some games that instantly put me back to a certain point in my childhood or teenage years.

the groutch

Baby don't hurt me, don't hurt me, no more.

Myrddin

For me it's everything up to & now including the PS2. As for cult, I can't think of anything that has a cult following but isn't retro...well, the Wii U maybe

CathalDublin

PS2 isn't included in my retro eyes, yet!

o1s1n

In my opinion, the word 'retro' doesn't really apply to what the majority of folks here do.

Retro is short for 'retrospective' - reminiscing and nostalgia.

Now we're all nostalgic about some games, but I think it's pretty fair to say it doesn't completely encompass our collecting and playing habits. We continue to play and collect older games simply because because they're still good games.

To be honest, I think the term itself is misleading and somewhat detrimental to our hobby as it reinforces ideas that we play for nostalgia alone. Nostalgia clouds judgement and takes away from the fact that they're still just great games. That's not why we play, far from it.

STG.Otaku

Retr0 is Balbriggan's answer to Tetsuo because of his disease!

Retro, in my humble opinion, refers more to, say, games like TxK, Papers Please or Fez etc. If we were to go by the actual definition of the word retro. I wouldn't classify the PS2 as vintage yet. The PS1 would be a more likely candidate, and anything that came before it.

EDIT: What o1s1n said.

Myrddin

The PS2 is a divisive one, but don't forget it's fourteen years old at this stage...almost fifteen. To me, it now warrants the term retro console. I'd agree with everything o1s1n said though, while collecting can have many facets, the primary one is the drive to collect good games, not old ones.

Star Lord

Yeah, I'd kinda agree with Myrddin, the PS2/Gamecube/Xbox are bordering on 'retro', but not quite there just yet. PS1 / N64 etc and everything before them are retro for me.

CiDeRmAn

I think none of us exclusively play a particular era is videogames.
That said we do often have particular consoles or franchises that interest us more than others.
But, in the main, we seem to be more like people who associate the entire continuum of gaming, from Tennis for Two and Space War to Super Mario 3D World and Dark Souls 2
Your typical player of video games, however, seems to be only too happy to abandon what came before and move to the latest release. He/She appears to judge anything barring the current as unworthy of play and therefore old, third would include for example last year's Fifa, Assassins Creed or the like.
And this seems to apply to, possibly, the majority of those owning a console tbh, would explain why the preowned shelves are typically so well stocked!
But, isn't the typical behaviour actually incredibly shirt sighted on comparison to the perceived niche hobby that is Retro gaming?

In music, movies and books you would be considered a narrow minded fool for only focusing your interest upon the current releases, rather than appreciating it all.

CiDeRmAn

Regarding cult consoles, the current crop of devices are probably all too popular, you are really talking of a console that had great content but is under appreciated and unbought by the masses.
The Vita is probably the one example I can think of, but it's fortunes have been lifted somewhat by PS+, but there really aren't many out there, as actively used games machines and so it is perhaps the one cult console we have.

The same definition memorably applied to the Dreamcast, possibly the original Cult console, before it was discontinued, with the launch of the PS2, despite the fact that the PS2 had an awful launch line up and the DC had a cracking library of games at that point, the great unwashed didn't care, sadly.

o1s1n

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

Your typical player of video games, however, seems to be only too happy to abandon what came before and move to the latest release. He/She appears to judge anything barring the current as unworthy of play and therefore old, third would include for example last year's Fifa, Assassins Creed or the like.
And this seems to apply to, possibly, the majority of those owning a console tbh, would explain why the preowned shelves are typically so well stocked!
But, isn't the typical behaviour actually incredibly shirt sighted on comparison to the perceived niche hobby that is Retro gaming?

In music, movies and books you would be considered a narrow minded fool for only focusing your interest upon the current releases, rather than appreciating it all.

It's utterly bizarre isn't it! Why is it such a normal practice in this hobby?

I'll give you a good example that only happened the other day.

My sister was saying she was considering getting a PS4/One and which one I'd go for. I asked why, seeing as she has a 360, there are loads of games she hasn't played and they're going for peanuts now.

In her own words: 'Yeah, that's what I was thinking. However, when I said this to my friends, they laughed and said "why would you want to play 360 games? they're all old now, get a new console"'

- These aren't kids either, early twenties.

Was there ever a time when people were derided for consuming other forms of media which were seen as 'old and outdated'? Should we start considering Johnny Ultimate a 'retro-film-watcher' and pour scorn on him for not appreciating the modern majesty of Michael Bay? :pac:

Andrew76

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

I think none of us exclusively play a particular era is videogames.
That said we do often have particular consoles or franchises that interest us more than others.
But, in the main, we seem to be more like people who associate the entire continuum of gaming, from Tennis for Two and Space War to Super Mario 3D World and Dark Souls 2
Your typical player of video games, however, seems to be only too happy to abandon what came before and move to the latest release. He/She appears to judge anything barring the current as unworthy of play and therefore old, third would include for example last year's Fifa, Assassins Creed or the like.
And this seems to apply to, possibly, the majority of those owning a console tbh, would explain why the preowned shelves are typically so well stocked!
But, isn't the typical behaviour actually incredibly shirt sighted on comparison to the perceived niche hobby that is Retro gaming?

In music, movies and books you would be considered a narrow minded fool for only focusing your interest upon the current releases, rather than appreciating it all.

I wouldn't call folk 'narrow minded fools' just because they don't have an interest in playing older games. Second hand shelves are well stocked because games are expensive and some folk don't care about holding onto something they've finished/didn't like if it means a few quid towards a newer game - of all the people in A&R, you contribute most to the second shelves lets not forget! :pac:

It doesn't bother me at all if someone who plays games has never heard of Super Mario World or System Shock 2 or has no interest in playing games from previous generations. Each to their own.

Actually, I would argue that 'casual' games players keep the gaming industry alive. In turn we have nice new games to play (and trade :P).

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

Regarding cult consoles, the current crop of devices are probably all too popular, you are really talking of a console that had great content but is under appreciated and unbought by the masses.
The Vita is probably the one example I can think of, but it's fortunes have been lifted somewhat by PS+, but there really aren't many out there, as actively used games machines and so it is perhaps the one cult console we have.

The same definition memorably applied to the Dreamcast, possibly the original Cult console, before it was discontinued, with the launch of the PS2, despite the fact that the PS2 had an awful launch line up and the DC had a cracking library of games at that point, the great unwashed didn't care, sadly.

If any console could be classed as 'cult' it would be the PC Engine for me. Nobody had it when I was growing up (for obvious reasons) but I always remember reading game reviews and they were mostly excellent. 'Arcade perfect' is a term I remember being associated with some of it's games (whether it was true or not).

The Last Bandit

People are brainwashed with a 'new is better' mentality - applies to everything.

Sure, newer stuff be it cars or consoles, houses all have technological advances over previous stuff but does that make them 'better' ? Well depends on what you consider to be better I suppose - 'better' != 'more fun' in my experience.

Any game that didn't require day 1 patching is retro these days.

CiDeRmAn

Andrew76 wrote: »

I wouldn't call folk 'narrow minded fools' just because they don't have an interest in playing older games. Second hand shelves are well stocked because games are expensive and some folk don't care about holding onto something they've finished/didn't like if it means a few quid towards a newer game - of all the people in A&R, you contribute most to the second shelves lets not forget! :pac:

I was suggesting someone who only focused on the latest movie, film and book releases would be considered a narrow minded fool.
Games seems to be the exception where the vast majority of people are entirely focused on the latest issue of a franchise, regardless of how similar to the previous iteration it is.
And I mostly shift things along I starry eyed moments of madness, sure I see enough people here selling in the Marketplace so I'm not alone!
I very rarely trade anything in Gamestop anymore, in fact the last things to be traded were Fifa 14 and COD Ghosts for the PS4, so I don't feel too upset about that, nor in a rush to buy them again!

If any console could be classed as 'cult' it would be the PC Engine for me. Nobody had it when I was growing up (for obvious reasons) but I always remember reading game reviews and they were mostly excellent. 'Arcade perfect' is a term I remember being associated with some of it's games (whether it was true or not).

Yeah, that's a good one, startlingly great games consoles, massive library of titles, big in Japan, did well in the States and, somehow, only known to people of our persuasion in Europe.
Bizarre indeed, particularly when the Arcade games that were very successful here, RType, Outrun and so on, got amazing editions on the wafer thin format.
Plus, the Turbo Express/PC Engine GT is amazing!

o1s1n

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

Bizarre indeed, particularly when the Arcade games that were very successful here, RType, Outrun and so on, got amazing editions on the wafer thin format.
Plus, the Turbo Express/PC Engine GT is amazing!

It was a countrywide conspiracy by arcade operators to keep people shoveling 10p coins into their cabinets.

We're through the looking glass, people.

Yeah, real shame it didn't take off over these parts alright. Although we'd have had people playing the ugly TG-16 rather than the beautiful little PCE.

murphyebass

Interest topic.

I'll weigh in my two cents on this one.

If the PS2 had to be defined as retro or not retro I think at this point its gone into the former.

Its still cheap to collect for though due to it being outrageously popular and there being heaps of used games on the market.

Prices will start to creap up though even with that surplus of games as people will start referring to it as retro. Not cool but only a matter of time imo.

Its already been touched on as well that the term retro isnt ideal as it does have poor connotations. It can imply nostalgia regardless of quality.

Most on here are collectors and gamers. We all own our fair share I'm sure of poor games (some are fun ) but for the most part unless going for a full set we buy what we want to play or have in our collection.

Ive cleared out my collections at this point to just what I want to keep and what I want to play retro or otherwise.

I used to buy for the sake of it but now I pick and choose which as I say I would assume most here would be similar "retro" or otherwise.

CiDeRmAn

o1s1n wrote: »

It was a countrywide conspiracy by arcade operators to keep people shoveling 10p coins into their cabinets.

We're through the looking glass, people.

Yeah, real shame it didn't take off over these parts alright. Although we'd have had people playing the ugly TG-16 rather than the beautiful little PCE.

Like me!
I have the elephant ass ugly TG-16, why oh why did they do that to the beautiful PC Engine?
It's the most pointless redesign since, well, since the Famicom - NES transformation.
At least they had the good sense to leave the GT alone in it's move to the US, with the Turbo Express being identical, aside from the region protection of swapping a few pins about in the carts connecting edge.

CiDeRmAn

murphyebass wrote: »

Most on here are collectors and gamers. We all own our fair share I'm sure of poor games (some are fun ) but for the most part unless going for a full set we buy what we want to play or have in our collection.

Ive cleared out my collections at this point to just what I want to keep and what I want to play retro or otherwise.

I used to buy for the sake of it but now I pick and choose which as I say I would assume most here would be similar "retro" or otherwise.

I have purposefully avoided the word "Gamer" for fear of starting a fight!

And I buy only the games I want to play, not the games I imagine I should be playing, or that are simply old.

That said I do own a copy of Rise of the Robots, Streets of Rage and Golden Axe, and I don't imagine I'll be playing them anytime soon!

But then, doesn't Retr0 own LoD?

STG.Otaku

I cannot wait until the day Player 2 is old enough to sit down for a demonstration of the mighty PC Engine!

First up, a bit of Image Fight II, then a bit of Super Darius II followed by a light sprinkling of W Ring and Armed Formation F.

Err... we'll probably give Steam Heart's a miss though...

Star Lord

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

I have the elephant ass ugly TG-16, why oh why did they do that to the beautiful PC Engine?

It's ugly, but it's no SuperGrafx!!!

Which is incidentally, probably a more niche console than the original PC Engine!

Andrew76

Star Lord wrote: »

It's ugly, but it's no SuperGrafx!!!

Hold on what? You're saying the SuperGrafx is ugly?? :eek:

Gorgeous looking kick ass/steampunk/ripped directly from the hull of the Nostromo, console it is.

Ah I guess the world would be a boring place if we all had the same opinion. (actually no, it would be awesome if it was all my opinion! :P)

The Last Bandit

Andrew76 wrote: »

Hold on what? You're saying the SuperGrafx is ugly?? :eek:

Gorgeous looking kick ass/steampunk/ripped directly from the hull of the Nostromo, console it is.

Ah I guess the world would be a boring place if we all had the same opinion. (actually no, it would be awesome if it was all my opinion! :P)

Well the PC-Engine Shuttle looks like it flew out of Nostromo

Star Lord

Andrew76 wrote: »

Hold on what? You're saying the SuperGrafx is ugly?? :eek:

Gorgeous looking kick ass/steampunk/ripped directly from the hull of the Nostromo, console it is.

Ah I guess the world would be a boring place if we all had the same opinion. (actually no, it would be awesome if it was all my opinion! :P)

It looks more like a cheap knock off version of a console for the Space Jockey rather than anything from the Nostromo!
The original PC Engine wouldn't look out of place on the Nostromo, where everything was slick and greyish-beige looking.
The SuperGrafx looks more like someone looked at Giger's designs, and just didn't quite get them! And I like Giger's work!
There are uglier consoles though.

STG.Otaku

Big fan of the SuperGrafx design here. But if you really want to go all out... you need one of these:





Alas, it was never put in production. The prototype I don't think even exists any more.

Doctor DooM

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

Your typical player of video games, however, seems to be only too happy to abandon what came before and move to the latest release. He/She appears to judge anything barring the current as unworthy of play and therefore old, third would include for example last year's Fifa, Assassins Creed or the like.
And this seems to apply to, possibly, the majority of those owning a console tbh, would explain why the preowned shelves are typically so well stocked!
But, isn't the typical behaviour actually incredibly shirt sighted on comparison to the perceived niche hobby that is Retro gaming?

In music, movies and books you would be considered a narrow minded fool for only focusing your interest upon the current releases, rather than appreciating it all.

Actually, I think you are looking at things a little askew.

Would a film fan be frustrated with the mass public for going out to watch Transformers 4 instead of Her? I think so actually.

Would the average music fan be upset with pop music sales consistently trouncing their indie darlings? I think so, in many cases too.

I know right now, on that topic, the Transformers community is currently split between Bay fans and haters. Almost without fail the people defending the Bay movies come across as... unable to put forward their position well, the only argument really available to them being "turn your brain off".

I watched one such discussion where the Bayformers fan defended the constant stream of racism and disturbing undertones of sexism in them because they're true to life.

In a kids film about giant alien robots that turn into cars.

There will always be the casual, and there will always be the people who LOVE their hobby. The people who spend their time really digging deep should have a stronger position- they're the ones who're dedicating so much to them.

krudler

o1s1n wrote: »

In my opinion, the word 'retro' doesn't really apply to what the majority of folks here do.

Retro is short for 'retrospective' - reminiscing and nostalgia.

Now we're all nostalgic about some games, but I think it's pretty fair to say it doesn't completely encompass our collecting and playing habits. We continue to play and collect older games simply because because they're still good games.

To be honest, I think the term itself is misleading and somewhat detrimental to our hobby as it reinforces ideas that we play for nostalgia alone. Nostalgia clouds judgement and takes away from the fact that they're still just great games. That's not why we play, far from it.

Plenty of games do suffer from rose tinted glasses syndrome, upon revisiting them you might think hmm this isnt as much fun as I remember. but the truly great games will remain as such. I'll (hopefully) still be playing Mario World and Super Metroid in 20 years time, because they'll still be great games regardless of whatever technology we're using by them.

Andrew76

Doctor DooM wrote: »

Actually, I think you are looking at things a little askew.

Would a film fan be frustrated with the mass public for going out to watch Transformers 4 instead of Her? I think so actually.

Would the average music fan be upset with pop music sales consistently trouncing their indie darlings? I think so, in many cases too.

I know right now, on that topic, the Transformers community is currently split between Bay fans and haters. Almost without fail the people defending the Bay movies come across as... unable to put forward their position well, the only argument really available to them being "turn your brain off".

I watched one such discussion where the Bayformers fan defended the constant stream of racism and disturbing undertones of sexism in them because they're true to life.

In a kids film about giant alien robots that turn into cars.

There will always be the casual, and there will always be the people who LOVE their hobby. The people who spend their time really digging deep should have a stronger position- they're the ones who're dedicating so much to them.

What does 'have a stronger position' mean though? Do you mean that a minority of people should dictate how a hobby (industry) should exist/evolve? Or do you just mean their opinion should be valued higher? By minority I mean that fans (Her > T4) are out numbered by casuals (T4 > Her). Or maybe I have misunderstood.

I haven't seen T4 btw but I did like Her a lot.

CiDeRmAn

It's not loving modern games that's at issue, that's fine and part of what defines us, if there is an us, is that we do love modern games.
The issue is that many dismiss, not only games we call retro or cult, but the game that was released 18 months ago.
So, to use Transformers as an example, lots of folk will have played the recent tie in games but would not consider the superior PS2 game as a viable way to spend their time.
Probably not the best example, how about few people playing the superb Blur or Split Second, rather playing the latest Burnout or NFS instead.

Doctor DooM

Andrew76 wrote: »

What does 'have a stronger position' mean though? Do you mean that a minority of people should dictate how a hobby (industry) should exist/evolve? Or do you just mean their opinion should be valued higher? By minority I mean that fans (Her > T4) are out numbered by casuals (T4 > Her). Or maybe I have misunderstood.

I haven't seen T4 btw but I did like Her a lot.

By stronger position I mean be more capable of mounting an argument as to why they're "right" about their opinion on the topic.

I'm not for a second saying they ARE right, because who are any of us to tell someone else how to enjoy themselves.

Andrew76

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

It's not loving modern games that's at issue, that's fine and part of what defines us, if there is an us, is that we do love modern games.
The issue is that many dismiss, not only games we call retro or cult, but the game that was released 18 months ago.
So, to use Transformers as an example, lots of folk will have played the recent tie in games but would not consider the superior PS2 game as a viable way to spend their time.
Probably not the best example, how about few people playing the superb Blur or Split Second, rather playing the latest Burnout or NFS instead.

Maybe said people never grew up playing games, gaming to them doesn't have a history (or not as long a history), is looked on as something new and they've only an interest in keeping up with the latest trend. I would imagine it must be different if you only got into gaming in your 20s/30s rather than as a kid. Just speculating ofc.

Doctor DooM wrote: »

By stronger position I mean be more capable of mounting an argument as to why they're "right" about their opinion on the topic.

I'm not for a second saying they ARE right, because who are any of us to tell someone else how to enjoy themselves.

I get you now.

Myrddin

Being only into new games & latest releases etc is fine, as said, who is anyone to tell anyone else how to enjoy themselves. Where it breaks down for me is when people like that actively dismiss older games as being unworthy of playing...just because they're old. That exposes the flaws in their perception of gaming.

Lemming

Myrddin wrote: »

Where it breaks down for me is when people like that actively dismiss older games as being unworthy of playing...just because they're old. That exposes the flaws in their perception of gaming.

It's consumerism gone to extreme; I know people that change phones for the sake of it every other month to have the latest thing because it's new therefore must be improved and ergo "better".

Some of the most enduring games I've ever played I played the crap out of on the C64, Megadrive, and SNES (or equivalent emu). No shiny pretty explosions & shallow game-play in sight! Christ, even a Commodore Vic-20 (yeah, yeah: I'm showing age) game I played the crap out of; "Blitz" - such a simple premise for a game yet so addictive.

CiDeRmAn

I was pretty lucky, getting into games with an Ingersoll/Binatone Pong clone in a neighbour's house back in the 70's, when I was 5 or so.
This kinda matches in with the typical gaming debut of most kids now.
It does mean that everything is remembered as being once a current machine to me.
It's hard to feel nostalgic for a console you attended a midnight launch for, like the N64.

But different strokes for different folks.

so, back to the OP.
Is the PS2 retro now?
Does that mean the Xbox and GC are also retro?
What about the GBA and PSP?

Myrddin

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

so, back to the OP.
Is the PS2 retro now?
Does that mean the Xbox and GC are also retro?
What about the GBA and PSP?

For me the PS2 is, it's fourteen years old & can be considered a retro console. Same for the GC & XB, they're both 13 years old...it's time enough.

GBA yes, PSP no.

o1s1n

PS2 production only ended in 2013 though.

Can you really call a piece of technology that was supported and made up until a year and a half ago retro?

Myrddin

o1s1n wrote: »

PS2 production only ended in 2013 though.

Can you really call a piece of technology that was supported and made up until a year and a half ago retro?

I don't really rate it though on when production ended, but how old the product is itself...maybe I'm wrong, but by that logic they're still making licensed Megadrives so they can't be retro?

o1s1n

Myrddin wrote: »

I don't really rate it though on when production ended, but how old the product is itself...maybe I'm wrong, but by that logic they're still making licensed Megadrives so they can't be retro?

The newly licensed products you mentioned are hardly Megadrives though. The console was discontinued by Sega in 1997. Anything thereafter isn't really a Megadrive, they're just third party licensed oddities.

Actually the main reason for them existing is nostalgia - so they pretty much are literally retro devices.

Myrddin

o1s1n wrote: »

The newly licensed products you mentioned are hardly Megadrives though. The console was discontinued by Sega in 1997. Anything thereafter isn't really a Megadrive, they're just third party licensed oddities.

Actually the main reason for them existing is nostalgia - so they pretty much are literally retro devices.

True I suppose, they are called Megadrives & SEGA is on the box...if it's licensed it's officially endorsed...that pulls a bit more clout than something like a knock off clone. However, as a console the PS2 is 14 years old, fair enough it was made up until a few years ago, but for me, when I think of PS2 I don't think of the year 2013, far from it.

o1s1n

Myrddin wrote: »

True I suppose, they are called Megadrives & SEGA is on the box...if it's licensed it's officially endorsed...that pulls a bit more clout than something like a knock off clone. However, as a console the PS2 is 14 years old, fair enough it was made up until a few years ago, but for me, when I think of PS2 I don't think of the year 2013, far from it.

Just goes to show, there's so much ambiguity around the terminology here that it's pretty much redundant. The phrase means different things to everyone. You could argue about it until the cows come home

(On a side point, it'd probably be a good idea to track down one of those 2013 model PS2s, would be pretty much brand new)

Myrddin

o1s1n wrote: »

Just goes to show, there's so much ambiguity around the terminology here that it's pretty much redundant. The phrase means different things to everyone. You could argue about it until the cows come home

(On a side point, it'd probably be a good idea to track down one of those 2013 model PS2s, would be pretty much brand new)

Indeed, it's not something that has a universal meaning to everyone. Some would now call the Xbox 360 retro

The 2013 PS2's, are any around b&m wise?

o1s1n

The last batch look to be SCPH-9000x slim models. Seems they're a bit difficult to mod though - I guess it would be nice to pick one up and keep it stock.

On the subject of the 360, I'd be amazed if any still worked when people start looking back on them as retro what an odd time that's going to be.

Myrddin

o1s1n wrote: »

The last batch look to be SCPH-9000x slim models. Seems they're a bit difficult to mod though - I guess it would be nice to pick one up and keep it stock.

They're the crappy slim ones anyway aren't they?

On the subject of the 360, I'd be amazed if any still worked when people start looking back on them as retro what an odd time that's going to be.

Without doubt. Buying a new 360 now & keeping it for 20 years in the box might be an idea :P

o1s1n

Myrddin wrote: »

They're the crappy slim ones anyway aren't they?

I think that's the 7000 series before it? External PSU and issues running some games. I think they fixed that with the 9000 series. Must look into it, it's not something I've very read up on.

Myrddin wrote: »

Without doubt. Buying a new 360 now & keeping it for 20 years in the box might be an idea :P

Heh, then again, is there anything on the 360 we'll really want to play that we can't just access via our future powered super computers?

Myrddin

o1s1n wrote: »

Heh, then again, is there anything on the 360 we'll really want to play that we can't just access via our future powered super computers?

Touche

Retr0gamer

o1s1n wrote: »

Heh, then again, is there anything on the 360 we'll really want to play that we can't just access via our future powered super computers?

Due to the weird architecture of the currect gen machines it probably won't be worth emulating down the line. Every game, even exclusives will have a PC build but it relies on that stuff being archived. It more than likely will be lost. With the amount of chips and cores that need to work in parallel it will be as big a challenge as emulating the Saturn if not more so.

Myrddin

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Due to the weird architecture of the currect gen machines it probably won't be worth emulating down the line. Every game, even exclusives will have a PC build but it relies on that stuff being archived. It more than likely will be lost. With the amount of chips and cores that need to work in parallel it will be as big a challenge as emulating the Saturn if not more so.

rpcs3 has come a long way, though the frame rate isn't realistic. But the actual emulation itself works

o1s1n

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Due to the weird architecture of the currect gen machines it probably won't be worth emulating down the line. Every game, even exclusives will have a PC build but it relies on that stuff being archived. It more than likely will be lost. With the amount of chips and cores that need to work in parallel it will be as big a challenge as emulating the Saturn if not more so.

Oh I didn't mean emulation. Most of the games I'd want to play on the 360 are ported to the PC. So I'll just play those ports down the line instead

CiDeRmAn

I don't think the PS3 and 360 lend themselves to home repair either, aside from the typical media drive replacements.
So, it really does mean that in 15 years working examples will be hard to come by, while the Snes and Megadrive march on!

Myrddin

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

I don't think the PS3 and 360 lend themselves to home repair either, aside from the typical media drive replacements.
So, it really does mean that in 15 years working examples will be hard to come by, while the Snes and Megadrive march on!

Definitely, some take the hair dryer approach to rrod/ylod but in reality it's a terrible way to 'fix' them. Specialist equipment is needed to do it right.