GAMSAT 2015

medpad

Got an offer from UCC but decided to wait a year. Should be save enough points wise for next year. Congratulations and Best of Luck to all

j.mcdrmd

AndrewTheCat wrote: »

Just finished first year year GEMS UL.

Over 50 students in our class failed the summer exams.

One work of advice for anyone starting.

Proceed with caution. Plenty of horror stories about UL GEMS floating around.

This is very confusing. This comment does not fit with 466 above.

On the one hand a posters friend says jump in I did so you should too, it all grand, and the poster advises not to let money wreck your dreams?

On the other hand a poster says failure rates are high, proceed with caution?

How many were in the class?

When did the results come out?

Is there a way for potential students to check this out with actual numbers?

magsyc

Just asked a friend of 50 people in ul failed. She said that was a load of crap and didn't happen.

Shoflahe03

If there's any RCSI or UCD GEM1s still looking for accommodation I'm letting a room in South Dublin, was keeping in case I was offered Dublin but heading to Cork instead! PM me for more details if you're interested

Tennisfan1

I thought that message about 50 failing was a load of crap. Somebody clearly scaremongering trying to get somebody to decide against the course in the hope of taking their place.
Is anybody having a hard time finding a place to live in Cork? I thought the GAMSAT and funding would be the biggest obstacle for me but turns out finding a place to stay is proving my biggest hurdle. Grr. Are there any websites out there I don't know about apart from daft.ie and UCC accomodation office?

AndrewTheCat

I just finished first year. It's true. There's close to 200 in the class give or take.

I'm not scaremongering at all.

I don't need to scaremonger as pbl will sort the men from the boys fairly quickly.

If you any further info as to the strength of the course ask about the high step 1 failure rate in usmle in our course, and ask about the high numbers of drop outs in the first six weeks.

The Caribbean schools are viewed higher than ul by Canadian and us residency programmes I gather

I spoke with a graduate medicine intern and loan repayments are crippling her, circa 1000 a month. Take home pay is 450 a week post tax. Working 80 hours a week and only paid for 40. Once car food bills rent is covered she has about 100 quid a week in her pocket. If I could turn back now I'd probably just do law or accounting. Luckily my cousin is doing an im residency in the us so I should be able to get over there and make the big wages if I nail my steps.

Ballet17

Andrew the Cat ..."If I could turn back now.."

By your own admission you've just finished first year of the college COURSE!! years away from even becoming a working doctor! If you feel that way maybe you should cut your loses and go do accountancy or whatever, you might feel a lot happier. Oh and anyone who has or knows anyone who is an accountant and has gone through those accountancy exams will know they are no walk in the park either and have a pass rate of about 50 percent. Many have compared their difficulty to medicine. Just some food for thought for you

medpad

AndrewTheCat wrote: »

I just finished first year. It's true. There's close to 200 in the class give or take.

I'm not scaremongering at all.

I don't need to scaremonger as pbl will sort the men from the boys fairly quickly.

If you any further info as to the strength of the course ask about the high step 1 failure rate in usmle in our course, and ask about the high numbers of drop outs in the first six weeks.

The Caribbean schools are viewed higher than ul by Canadian and us residency programmes I gather

I spoke with a graduate medicine intern and loan repayments are crippling her, circa 1000 a month. Take home pay is 450 a week post tax. Working 80 hours a week and only paid for 40. Once car food bills rent is covered she has about 100 quid a week in her pocket. If I could turn back now I'd probably just do law or accounting. Luckily my cousin is doing an im residency in the us so I should be able to get over there and make the big wages if I nail my steps.

Troll alert

strangeweather

AndrewTheCat wrote: »

Over 50 students in our class failed the summer exams.

Totally untrue.

AndrewTheCat wrote: »

If you any further info as to the strength of the course ask about the high step 1 failure rate in usmle in our course

Total troll! Totally untrue. UL has a fantastic record for USMLE and students match to highly competitive residencies every year. The stats are released and VERY few people fail - pass rate is over 90%.

sReq | uTeK

AndrewTheCat wrote: »

I just finished first year. It's true. There's close to 200 in the class give or take.

I'm not scaremongering at all.

I don't need to scaremonger as pbl will sort the men from the boys fairly quickly.

If you any further info as to the strength of the course ask about the high step 1 failure rate in usmle in our course, and ask about the high numbers of drop outs in the first six weeks.

The Caribbean schools are viewed higher than ul by Canadian and us residency programmes I gather

I spoke with a graduate medicine intern and loan repayments are crippling her, circa 1000 a month. Take home pay is 450 a week post tax. Working 80 hours a week and only paid for 40. Once car food bills rent is covered she has about 100 quid a week in her pocket. If I could turn back now I'd probably just do law or accounting. Luckily my cousin is doing an im residency in the us so I should be able to get over there and make the big wages if I nail my steps.

Lol, are you sitting on 53 with the hope of getting some people to drop out

j.mcdrmd

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

Lol, are you sitting on 53 with the hope of getting some people to drop out

And you know that?

What does a 53 mean exactly?.

AndrewTheCat

strangeweather wrote: »

Totally untrue.



Total troll! Totally untrue. UL has a fantastic record for USMLE and students match to highly competitive residencies every year. The stats are released and VERY few people fail - pass rate is over 90%.

How many people break the average...which is 230 now btw.

Pass scores aren't worth a jot. 194 will see your application tossed in bin as will most scores less than 220.

All stats aren't released as students don't have to release scores to college.stats certainly aren't released to students, unless you believe billy's hobunk where he tells us it's actually better to fail step 1 than get a low score

There is lecture we were given which shows scores of student who released results to college. Very very few people break 210 and a large portion fail. A few superstars with bg in medical sciences will do better than the rest, mainly cause ul pre science programme is worthless

sReq | uTeK

AndrewTheCat wrote: »

How many people break the average...which is 230 now btw.

Pass scores aren't worth a jot. 194 will see your application tossed in bin as will most scores less than 220.

All stats aren't released as students don't have to release scores to college.stats certainly aren't released to students, unless you believe billy's hobunk where he tells us it's actually better to fail step 1 than get a low score

There is lecture we were given which shows scores of student who released results to college. Very very few people break 210 and a large portion fail. A few superstars with bg in medical sciences will do better than the rest, mainly cause ul pre science programme is worthless

I take of you'll be dropping out soon then such is your distain for the course

AndrewTheCat

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

I take of you'll be dropping out soon then such is your distain for the course

No aiming to nail my usmle and leave for brighter shores then.what part of training are you in?

Edit: just spotted you are a pre med who is a little older.
Do you happen to know what usmle even is?
Please don't pass comment when you don't have a clue what you are talking about.

pickmeplease

magsyc wrote: »

Just asked a friend of 50 people in ul failed. She said that was a load of crap and didn't happen.

Just finished first year myself. Dont even know an andrew in the class..granted my name is not on display but if anyone would like to hear more about ul and the course contact me. 50 failingn is absolute bull.

Outrageous statement. Dont rise to them.

AndrewTheCat

pickmeplease wrote: »

Just finished first year myself. Dont even know an andrew in the class..granted my name is not on display but if anyone would like to hear more about ul and the course contact me. 50 failingn is absolute bull.

Outrageous statement. Dont rise to them.

Would you care to tell the forum about the biochemistry module at UL? And the microbiology module? And the immunology module?

AndrewTheCat

Not one offering anything against my arguments except abuse. Says it all really. The hse will love ye. Mind numbing servitude awaits ye, don't ever dream of thinking outside the box or the norm guys, wouldn't want to deprive the hse of a few zombies willing to serve in the slaughterhouses, sorry hospitals, for a few years

j.mcdrmd

pickmeplease wrote: »

Just finished first year myself. Dont even know an andrew in the class..granted my name is not on display but if anyone would like to hear more about ul and the course contact me. 50 failingn is absolute bull.

Outrageous statement. Dont rise to them.

pickmeplease wrote: »

Hey guys,

So i was talking to my friend in UL GEMs and he said do not let loans deter you. Accept the place and hopefully things will fall into place - apparently a couple of students started last year and had a couple of meeting with the head of school (who is apparently bang on) and they sorted it together. So with the day for acceptance being tomorrow don't let it put you off..

Money shouldn't wreck your dreams. and you may swell try your best to get it sorted this year rather than prolonging it another

So which is it?

If you are going to economical with the truth you better have a very good memory.

j.mcdrmd

AndrewTheCat wrote: »

Not one offering anything against my arguments except abuse. Says it all really. The hse will love ye. Mind numbing servitude awaits ye, don't ever dream of thinking outside the box or the norm guys, wouldn't want to deprive the hse of a few zombies willing to serve in the slaughterhouses, sorry hospitals, for a few years

What worries me most is who will care for the Patients?

We are all potential Patients.

Doctors are quitting medicine altogether or leaving the country in alarming numbers now.

People don't seem to want to pay Doctors but are happy to pay cash for complementary/pseudo/para "medical care"

"If you pay peanuts you get monkeys" James Goldsmith

"My dear,
It astounds me that businesses can continue to pay their best and most hardworking employees little to nothing and still expect genius-scale work from them day-after-day.
Hiring a large quantity of cheap labor is far less effective than properly hiring and paying for the best. 1,000 monkeys get far less done than three people. And if you barely pay people and they leave, just to find someone else who’s willing to work for such a cheap cost, realize you’re not getting the better deal. What you just did is replace a hardworking person with a monkey – you expecting them to think on the same intellectual capacity is absurd.
Pay people right."

Ballet17

AndrewTheCat wrote: »

Not one offering anything against my arguments except abuse. Says it all really. The hse will love ye. Mind numbing servitude awaits ye, don't ever dream of thinking outside the box or the norm guys, wouldn't want to deprive the hse of a few zombies willing to serve in the slaughterhouses, sorry hospitals, for a few years

'Offering anything against your arguments?' You offered your opinion in the first place!!
'Getting nothing but abuse?' Andrew the cat going on what you've posted here and the other thread you may want to look in the mirror, especially that post directed towards someone who was older really indicated that you seem to lack decorum and sensitively, whether you're aware of it or not;be it due to naivety or arrogance. And just going on that point you don't have to be a doctor (or a first year medical student ;-) ) to know that bedside manner is a huge element of the doctor patient relationship, maybe you should go work on that, if you're not to be a fellow zombie in the 'slaughterhouse' ?!!
You can rationalise your words and how they are the truth all you want, but your tone speaks volumes.
Rant over. I honestly and sincerely hope that you are just an internet troll, because it's unsettling to think of someone who views hospitals as slaughterhouses treating anyone.

j.mcdrmd

Ballet17 wrote: »

'Offering anything against your arguments?' You offered your opinion in the first place!!
'Getting nothing but abuse?' Andrew the cat going on what you've posted here and the other thread you may want to look in the mirror, especially that post directed towards someone who was older really indicated that you seem to lack decorum and sensitively, whether you're aware of it or not;be it due to naivety or arrogance. And just going on that point you don't have to be a doctor (or a first year medical student ;-) ) to know that bedside manner is a huge element of the doctor patient relationship, maybe you should go work on that, if you're not to be a fellow zombie in the 'slaughterhouse' ?!!
You can rationalise your words and how they are the truth all you want, but your tone speaks volumes.
Rant over. I honestly and sincerely hope that you are just an internet troll, because it's unsettling to think of someone who views hospitals as slaughterhouses treating anyone.

It is not a case of Doctors lacking in "bedside manner". It is a case of overwork and lack of time.

If you are trying to reassure a Patient but your bleep is going off, because someone else is more ill, what are you going to do?

Ballet17

j.mcdrmd wrote: »

It is not a case of Doctors lacking in "bedside manner". It is a case of overwork and lack of time.

If you are trying to reassure a Patient but your bleep is going off, because someone else is more ill, what are you going to do?

In the specific context I was referring to in my above post; it is precisely the case actually.

I wasn't referring to your comment but I have stated previously that I agreed with many of the points raised about the hse and am not disagreeing on issues of working conditions/pay etc

If you're picking up the topic of bedside manner in order to form a new discussion fair enough, but that was not the main point of the post.

cyt123

did anyone who accepted an offer from UCD receive any emails from them since? apparently some people got an email about registration...

Anita Blow

Just a generic welcome e-mail saying the orientation timetable would be up on their website by the 12th

sReq | uTeK

AndrewTheCat wrote: »

Would you care to tell the forum about the biochemistry module at UL? And the microbiology module? And the immunology module?

Would you like to refute the outrageously fictitious statement of 50% failing ?

steph0712

cyt123 wrote: »

did anyone who accepted an offer from UCD receive any emails from them since? apparently some people got an email about registration...

Hey,

I called them on Friday and asked because I needed a letter of acceptance.
So I just decided to be nosy and ask when will they send out additional information because I won't be at home for a while.

Apparently all information will be sent out on the 17th of August.
So Monday week.

Hope that helps

AndrewTheCat

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

Would you like to refute the outrageously fictitious statement of 50% failing ?

That sentence makes no sense....
nobody on the forum has said 50% of the class failed....
Good job you decided not to take your place, wouldn't like a doctor who misses the finer details!

Tennisfan1

Just started the online registration process with UCC.
Fee this year is 14,580:-(
I knew this anyway but still. Never had anything even half this amount come out of my account before haha!

sReq | uTeK

AndrewTheCat wrote: »

That sentence makes no sense....
nobody on the forum has said 50% of the class failed....
Good job you decided not to take your place, wouldn't like a doctor who misses the finer details!

If we're talking about details, care to elaborate where I said I didn't take my place, or where i was even offered one?

AndrewTheCat wrote: »

Just finished first year year GEMS UL.

Over 50 students in our class failed the summer exams.

One work of advice for anyone starting.

Proceed with caution. Plenty of horror stories about UL GEMS floating around.

And again, dodging the question and focusing on moving the goal posts with snide remarks.

Apologies about my fat fingers, % was an error on my behalf. 50 people you said wasn't it ? so close to a 25% failure rate based on the 200 people you said was attending.

Again, care to refute the retorts that call this complete nonsense, from people in the class who are actively posting on here with contradictory information?

I don't envisage any response that addresses the above, just something from left field with limited relevance that seeks to antagonize.

RainBow_xo

There's no where near 200 in our class 😂😂 funny