2007 BMW with CO2 Emission based tax - WTF?

Sobanek

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/bmw-530d-m-sport-co2-emission-tax/7456241

:eek::eek::eek::eek:

Check the reg on motortax website - it is indeed taxed under CO2 emissions.

HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE

Atlantic Dawn

Can see no legal or logical reason for this, looks like someone had friends in high places.

kdevitt

Not totally unusual for someone in the tax office to mess up a bit - I remember an E30 being for sale on ZV plates long before the car was eligible for them, whoever VRT'd it and assigned the reg made a mistake (to the owners benefit).

colm_mcm

This isn't an import though so it was changed over at some stage.

Cerco

If the engine was replaced with a 2008 unit would this allow co2 based tax?

PurvesGrundy

kdevitt wrote: »

Not totally unusual for someone in the tax office to mess up a bit - I remember an E30 being for sale on ZV plates long before the car was eligible for them, whoever VRT'd it and assigned the reg made a mistake (to the owners benefit).

That was more likely a ringer I would say.

colm_mcm

Cerco wrote: »

If the engine was replaced with a 2008 unit would this allow co2 based tax?

Nope. Dodgyness and corruption pure and simple.

DanDublin1982

E-mail the seller and ask why, then report back.

SGKM

colm_mcm wrote: »

This isn't an import though so it was changed over at some stage.

It is an import - the speedo is in mph, must've been imported pre 2012, before the 120,000's came in.

I saw this car too and it had me wondering what is going on. I would have thought the system just wouldn't allow for a 2007 to be taxed on emissions? Could they have done something dodgy with a chassis number from a 2008 car?

Mycroft H

PurvesGrundy wrote: »

That was more likely a ringer I would say.

While changing over the chassis is a relatively simple task on something like a Land Rover, I cannot see the same being said for a monocoque chassis BMW.

This has been changed over in the tax office I'd say. Cannot see another reason.

Atlantic Dawn

There's so many dodgy cars for sale with the owners openly declaring the fraud that has been committed as some kind of bonus in the sale, just put search for "on logbook" or "on book" in Donedeal you will find loads of cars with undeclared larger engine changes and lesser models declared on the logbook.

username2468

Hows this for a theory - It could be first registered in jan 2008, but assigned a 2007 reg as it was caught on the road un registered in 2007, hence co2 tax but 2007 reg.

Atlantic Dawn

username2468 wrote: »

Hows this for a theory - It could be first registered in jan 2008, but assigned a 2007 reg as it was caught on the road un registered in 2007, hence co2 tax but 2007 reg.

But the CO2 system only came in to play in July 2008. As far as I know dealers are not allowed sell a car with no plates, needs to have either an Irish plate or the export plates.

username2468

But any car registered from Jan 2008 to july 2008 is taxed at the lower of the cc or the co2, so it would have be taxed at co2 rate from july 2008 on

Atlantic Dawn

username2468 wrote: »

But any car registered from Jan 2008 to july 2008 is taxed at the lower of the cc or the co2, so it would have be taxed at co2 rate from july 2008 on

Yes that would actually be correct, however still doesn't explain how it got on the 2008 tax system with a 2007 registration.

username2468

I had a car with an 89 reg and a date of first reg Jan 1990. It was caught on the road unregistered in dec 89, so it was allocated an 89 reg

mloc123

€17,950? He is having a laugh.

bazz26

username2468 wrote: »

I had a car with an 89 reg and a date of first reg Jan 1990. It was caught on the road unregistered in dec 89, so it was allocated an 89 reg

That was back in the day when you could drive around in a new car without number plates for ages and just stick a "for reg" sticker on it.

Things have changed a lot since then and it still doesn't explain why a 2007 registered car would apply for Co2 emissions tax when the rule is that it only applies to 2008 or new registered cars. This does stink of some sort of internal fiddle or pure incompetency.

Gumbo

mloc123 wrote: »

€17,950? He is having a laugh.

What would be your opinion on the price?

bigroad

Well if he is allowed do it then we will all have to change over our pre 2008 diesel luxobarges.
This could be the opening of a new can of worms.Bring it on i say.
He is in the right part of the country for connections in high places.

pippip

Id say theres a legit reason for it.

Cannot see how the computer system would be programmed to allow this to happen unless there was a specific circumstance in which it could happen.

colm_mcm

SGKM wrote: »

It is an import - the speedo is in mph, must've been imported pre 2012, before the 120,000's came in.

I saw this car too and it had me wondering what is going on. I would have thought the system just wouldn't allow for a 2007 to be taxed on emissions? Could they have done something dodgy with a chassis number from a 2008 car?

Strange thing is that the reg number would suggest its an import. Motorcheck dipped not say its a uk import, so it may be from another RHD market that uses mph too?

Cleveland Hot Pocket

Speaking of oddly taxed cars, I was looking at this touareg and checked motortax site to see if it was commercially taxed.
But it turns out to be 102/annum
Don't even know what rate that is but it seems dodge.

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/volkswagen-touareg-v10-tdi-must-see/7430087

PurvesGrundy

Mycroft H wrote: »

While changing over the chassis is a relatively simple task on something like a Land Rover, I cannot see the same being said for a monocoque chassis BMW.

Ringing does not happen only with Land Rover's. There are many youngtimer classics going around with chassis number plates that have been messed with.

supervento

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

Speaking of oddly taxed cars, I was looking at this touareg and checked motortax site to see if it was commercially taxed.
But it turns out to be 102/annum
Don't even know what rate that is but it seems dodge.


i could be wrong but id imagine its the "island tax rate" a special tax rate for island registered vehicles i.e Aran Islands etc

Cleveland Hot Pocket

I saw that, but don't Island vehicles not need tax at all?
I think if that was the case then I'd buy the car but ask the owner to tax it for 12 months first!

Mycroft H

PurvesGrundy wrote: »

Ringing does not happen only with Land Rover's. There are many youngtimer classics going around with chassis number plates that have been messed with.

Anything with a sperate chassis really. Just chose it as an example

supervento

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

I saw that, but don't Island vehicles not need tax at all?
I think if that was the case then I'd buy the car but ask the owner to tax it for 12 months first!

no technically they should be taxed even if they are on an island, but in general i believe people dont. it is an island tax rate that touareg is on.

mloc123

kceire wrote: »

What would be your opinion on the price?

You can get a legit 2008 530d for 17k? You could pick up a 2007 530d for about 10-11k?

challengemaster

colm_mcm wrote: »

Strange thing is that the reg number would suggest its an import. Motorcheck dipped not say its a uk import, so it may be from another RHD market that uses mph too?

Motorcheck doesn't say my car is an import, despite the fact it is, and I can run the old NI reg through as well.

Sobanek

It was imported in July 08. Just when the co2 tax was being introduced.

How's that work if the cars 07

Donno.
Slip up I guess at the time.

So looks like it was a slip up.

colm_mcm

http://www.bmw-driver.net/forum/showthread.php?t=104169

Eric Cartman

is it possible that it had an engine change from a post 08 car and somehow convinced an unwitting tax office individual to change the class along with the engine number ?

GSBellew

supervento wrote: »

no technically they should be taxed even if they are on an island, but in general i believe people dont. it is an island tax rate that touareg is on.

Could also be on a Hearse rate.

Cheap VRT when registered and €102 per annum in tax.
Lots would have the deck removed afterwards and are used as private cars.

Gumbo

Eric Cartman wrote: »

is it possible that it had an engine change from a post 08 car and somehow convinced an unwitting tax office individual to change the class along with the engine number ?

No, the owner said it was a slip up when first registering the car.
It does happen, i know BMW made a mistake when registering some 650Ci's a few years back and they all went down as 3.0 engines, so lower motor tax (€1500 V €1800).

GSBellew wrote: »

Could also be on a Hearse rate.

Cheap VRT when registered and €102 per annum in tax.
Lots would have the deck removed afterwards and are used as private cars.

its not a hearse, its a car, and can be seen by the tax check at €750 per annum.

Drummerboy08

kceire wrote: »

What would be your opinion on the price?

You could probably buy an 08 out of a BMW dealer with a 2 year warranty for that kinda money.

Caliden

mloc123 wrote: »

You can get a legit 2008 530d for 17k? You could pick up a 2007 530d for about 10-11k?

But imagine the money you'd save on the cheaper tax! It practically pays for itself in 8-9 years!

Gumbo

Drummerboy08 wrote: »

You could probably buy an 08 out of a BMW dealer with a 2 year warranty for that kinda money.

2008 530d for a dealer with AUC 2 year warranty, i wouldnt imagine so tbh
only one on Carzone, and not from BMW so no AUC 2 year warranty - http://www.carzone.ie/search/BMW/5-Series/530-D--E/53914036906795260/advert?channel=CARS

ba_barabus

Mycroft H wrote: »

Anything with a sperate chassis really. Just chose it as an example

There is a lovely late 90's SL500 driving around Churchtown in Dublin with 1973 Merc SL plates. It happens very often.

Drummerboy08

kceire wrote: »

2008 530d for a dealer with AUC 2 year warranty, i wouldnt imagine so tbh
only one on Carzone, and not from BMW so no AUC 2 year warranty - http://www.carzone.ie/search/BMW/5-Series/530-D--E/53914036906795260/advert?channel=CARS

I sold two 08 520d SE Auto's with low KM for €16k in the last few weeks - cant see a 530d making a whole lot more money tbh.

TheSpark156

ba_barabus wrote: »

There is a lovely late 90's SL500 driving around Churchtown in Dublin with 1973 Merc SL plates. It happens very often.

That seem like chassis swap to me, not legal but it seem to go a lot here.

Idbatterim

in relation to the price, the below is similar, although without the flappy paddles. So E750 a year tax saving, plus the better residuals of lower tax, but it has 17,500 miles more on the clock. It looks to be a beautiful car, but is asking top dollar!

http://www.carzone.ie/search/BMW/5-Series/530D-M-S/58914047447097100/advert?channel=CARS

As an aside, when situations like these arise, for whatever reason. can the car not be put back onto the correct rate?

ba_barabus

TheSpark156 wrote: »

That seem like chassis swap to me, not legal but it seem to go a lot here.

Aren't they both monocoque? It sounds more like a chassis plate swap to me

bazz26

I can see it.....

Dear New Owner,

While we were processing your recent vehicle ownership transfer form on your recently purchased 2007 530d, we noticed an internal clerical error in relation to the rate of motor tax on the vehicle. We have now rectified this error and you can now tax your vehicle at the correct current rate.

We wish you many happy years of motoring.

All the best,
Motor Tax Division,
Department of Transport.

Gumbo

Idbatterim wrote: »

in relation to the price, the below is similar, although without the flappy paddles. So E750 a year tax saving, plus the better residuals of lower tax, but it has 17,500 miles more on the clock. It looks to be a beautiful car, but is asking top dollar!

http://www.carzone.ie/search/BMW/5-Series/530D-M-S/58914047447097100/advert?channel=CARS

As an aside, when situations like these arise, for whatever reason. can the car not be put back onto the correct rate?

Plu the car you have linked is the older engine, Pre LCI car.

alias no.9

supervento wrote: »

no technically they should be taxed even if they are on an island, but in general i believe people dont. it is an island tax rate that touareg is on.

You sure about that? My money is on it being a Hearse.

Gumbo

alias no.9 wrote: »

You sure about that? My money is on it being a Hearse.

It has to be one of the following alright :

Island Vehicles 102
Agriculture tractor, trench digger and excavator 102 8.50
Motor Caravan 102
Hearse 102
Dumper and forklift truck 102

Cleveland Hot Pocket

kceire wrote: »

It has to be one of the following alright :

Island Vehicles 102
Agriculture tractor, trench digger and excavator 102 8.50
Motor Caravan 102
Hearse 102
Dumper and forklift truck 102

Yeah I saw that list and crossed #2,#3,#5 off the list
So it's either as an Island Vehicle, which, being Mayo it could be, or alternatively it's registered as a hearse.

supervento

alias no.9 wrote: »

You sure about that? My money is on it being a Hearse.

ah just according to motorcheck its has a "body type: 5 Door Estate/jeep", i believe if its a hearse it will say "body type: Hearse". this would indicate to me that it is an island vehicle.

obviously i could be wrong......

Cerco

bazz26 wrote: »

I can see it.....

Dear New Owner,

While we were processing your recent vehicle ownership transfer form on your recently purchased 2007 530d, we noticed an internal clerical error in relation to the rate of motor tax on the vehicle. We have now rectified this error and you can now tax your vehicle at the correct current rate.

We wish you many happy years of motoring.

All the best,
Motor Tax Division,
Department of Transport.

With the coverage this is getting here and on Donedeal I will be surprised if the current owner does not get an "A Chara" letter from Revenue.

GSBellew

kceire wrote: »

No, the owner said it was a slip up when first registering the car.
It does happen, i know BMW made a mistake when registering some 650Ci's a few years back and they all went down as 3.0 engines, so lower motor tax (€1500 V €1800).



its not a hearse, its a car, and can be seen by the tax check at €750 per annum.

Except I was talking about the Touareg in post #23 04 G 6300 €102 p/a