Dangerous driving on the N25

allthedoyles

Today I had to drive the full length of the N25 which stretches from Wexford to Cork , and conditions were great for driving , but want to make the following points and hope it helps drivers to take care .

I don't say I am brilliant driver by any means , but was horrified today by some of the things I saw and happened on the N25.

• The speed limit for articulated truck is 80km on N25 , so its not okay to be doing 100km
• The speed limit for articulated truck on N25 Motorway is 90kmh so its not okay to be doing 100kmh
• For the driver that passed me out / articulated truck , you must have seen the oncoming car flashing his lights at you so surely you knew it was a dangerous manouevre .
• For the driver that attempted to pass me out on a continuous white line , and had to pull in again behind me , why did you think you could make it with a full row of oncoming cars .
• The speed limit in the Jack Lynch Tunnel is 80km , yet cars kept overtaking me at much higher speed .
• For the driver that did pass me out on the brow of a hill , and swerved in front of me to avoid oncoming traffic - why, as I was already doing 100km
• For the driver that was continuously driving on the hard shoulder at 100km - this is not okay .

Finally , just an observation that most of these cars mentioned above were BMW and Audi .


Correct me if I'm wrong on any of the remarks above .

jca

allthedoyles wrote: »

Today I had to drive the full length of the N25 which stretches from Wexford to Cork , and conditions were great for driving , but want to make the following points and hope it helps drivers to take care .

I don't say I am brilliant driver by any means , but was horrified today by some of the things I saw and happened on the N25.

• The speed limit for articulated truck is 80km on N25 , so its not okay to be doing 100km
• The speed limit for articulated truck on N25 Motorway is 90kmh so its not okay to be doing 100kmh
• For the driver that passed me out / articulated truck , you must have seen the oncoming car flashing his lights at you so surely you knew it was a dangerous manouevre .
• For the driver that attempted to pass me out on a continuous white line , and had to pull in again behind me , why did you think you could make it with a full row of oncoming cars .
• The speed limit in the Jack Lynch Tunnel is 80km , yet cars kept overtaking me at much higher speed .
• For the driver that did pass me out on the brow of a hill , and swerved in front of me to avoid oncoming traffic - why, as I was already doing 100km
• For the driver that was continuously driving on the hard shoulder at 100km - this is not okay .

Finally , just an observation that most of these cars mentioned above were BMW and Audi .


Correct me if I'm wrong on any of the remarks above .

How can anyone correct you when we weren't there, a stupid thread really... Your word against someone else's, as judge judy says, build a bridge etc. Buy a dash cam for your next trip down the road to hell and we'll all have a look.

CiniO

To be honest, after your first two points about articulated trucks doing 100km/h I have grounds to believe that remaining points are about the same true as those first ones.

I don't think I've ever seen an artic truck in Ireland (or anywhere else in EU) doing more than 90km/h, and I actually do notice those things.

corktina

I reckon you need get your speedo checked, sounds like you are a rolling road block!

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime

CiniO wrote: »

To be honest, after your first two points about articulated trucks doing 100km/h I have grounds to believe that remaining points are about the same true as those first ones.

I don't think I've ever seen an artic truck in Ireland (or anywhere else in EU) doing more than 90km/h, and I actually do notice those things.

Well cinio thats because they are by law electronically limited go 88Kmh by a speed limiter and are tested annually to prove so.

i call shannigans on op and hes speedo is broken or just passed his driving test

CiniO

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime wrote: »

Well cinio thats because they are by law electronically limited go 88Kmh by a speed limiter and are tested annually to prove so.

By law they are to be limited to 90km/h.
In reality I find that some speed limiter suppliers are not too precise, but that's the other case.
However this lack of precision rather goes downwards. F.e. one of buses that we have should be limited to 100km/h but in fact does only about 96km/h.

i call shannigans on op and hes speedo is broken or just passed his driving test

Very likely OP's speedo is showing 100km/h when real speed is 90km/h.
And as he strictly obeys speed limits according to what his speedo shows, that's the reason he encounters all those situations.

visual

Common factor everyone overtaking and speeding past you. Maybe the problem is slowly coming to light

debabyjesus

Maybe everyone wants to go faster than you. Lots of bmw and audis on the road op and pointing it out in the way you did just makes you seem like an aul bint. What do you drive?

wexie

corktina wrote: »

I reckon you need get your speedo checked, sounds like you are a rolling road block!

Some of these sound like manoeuvres made out of sheer desperation indeed.

Moneymaker

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Truckermal

I think I passed you actually on the N25 earlier I was limited to 85 and the yoke I passed was snailing along at 60..

Btw my speedo is calibrated every 2 years..

TheChizler

Came up behind an arctic on the N40 the other doing 100 (GPS as reference, so accurate) the other day so it does happen. It had just come on from a slip road and I was behind the whole time. I noticed cause I'd normally overtake but didn't cause I didn't want to be speeding.

Demonical

A bit of common courtesy OP, might be good for you to practice. The N25 is wide enough for you to pull in and leave the other cars pass you out instead of holding the whole show up by driving 50kph down the road.

Cerco

An incorrect speedometer does not explain crossing a continuous white line or driving on the hard shoulder. Our standard of driving here is generally poor to awful.

jca

debabyjesus wrote: »

Maybe everyone wants to go faster than you. Lots of bmw and audis on the road op and pointing it out in the way you did just makes you seem like an aul bint. What do you drive?

A Toyota most probably...... Nine times out of ten a Toyota is the car in front of a long car lineup.

wexie

jca wrote: »

A Toyota most probably...... Nine times out of ten a Toyota is the car in front of a long car lineup.

<cough> Micra<cough>

NSAman

allthedoyles wrote: »

Today I had to drive the full length of the N25 which stretches from Wexford to Cork , and conditions were great for driving , but want to make the following points and hope it helps drivers to take care .

I don't say I am brilliant driver by any means , but was horrified today by some of the things I saw and happened on the N25.

• The speed limit for articulated truck is 80km on N25 , so its not okay to be doing 100km
• The speed limit for articulated truck on N25 Motorway is 90kmh so its not okay to be doing 100kmh
• For the driver that passed me out / articulated truck , you must have seen the oncoming car flashing his lights at you so surely you knew it was a dangerous manouevre .
• For the driver that attempted to pass me out on a continuous white line , and had to pull in again behind me , why did you think you could make it with a full row of oncoming cars .
• The speed limit in the Jack Lynch Tunnel is 80km , yet cars kept overtaking me at much higher speed .
• For the driver that did pass me out on the brow of a hill , and swerved in front of me to avoid oncoming traffic - why, as I was already doing 100km
• For the driver that was continuously driving on the hard shoulder at 100km - this is not okay .

Finally , just an observation that most of these cars mentioned above were BMW and Audi .


Correct me if I'm wrong on any of the remarks above .

You sound like the problem, not everyone else.

Jesus.

allthedoyles wrote: »

I don't say I am brilliant driver by any means , but was horrified today by some of the things I saw and happened on the N25.


[*]The speed limit for articulated truck on N25 Motorway is 90kmh so its not okay to be doing 100kmh

Seriously dude, if a truck doing 62mph on a Motorway instead of 56 is enough to horrify you, I suggest you visit your GP for a prescription of Xanax or some other relaxant.

Freaking out over such a trivial thing is not normal and ain't good for your health my man

Jesus.

CiniO wrote: »

To be honest, after your first two points about articulated trucks doing 100km/h I have grounds to believe that remaining points are about the same true as those first ones.I don't think I've ever seen an artic truck in Ireland (or anywhere else in EU) doing more than 90km/h, and I actually do notice those things.

Almost all of them I encounter are doing 100 km/h - speedo. So in reality they probably are only really doing 90 alright.

Jebus Diced

Jesus. wrote: »

Almost all of them I encounter are doing 100 km/h - speedo. So in reality they probably are only really doing 90 alright.

What is the story with the speedo compared to actual speed, I was doing 90k in an 80k zone and a Garda van/gatso was checking about 2 weeks ago, Im worried.

TheChizler

Jebus Diced wrote: »

What is the story with the speedo compared to actual speed, I was doing 90k in an 80k zone and a Garda van/gatso was checking about 2 weeks ago, Im worried.

Depends on the car, legally they can be up to 10% over, not under. Best to use a sat nav if you want accuracy. Or trust your speedo and you'll never go over.

allthedoyles

debabyjesus wrote: »

Maybe everyone wants to go faster than you. Lots of bmw and audis on the road op and pointing it out in the way you did just makes you seem like an aul bint. What do you drive?

I drive a Peugeot , and was mainly driving 100km p/hour according to car speedometer , which I always assumed to be accurate .

Am driving 20 years on full licence , never had a claim on my insurance , and never received any penalty points .

I don't encourage speed , as I believe in the slogan '' speed kills '' , and surprised to see so many posters here encouraging speed .

Jebus Diced

TheChizler wrote: »

Depends on the car, legally they can be up to 10% over, not under. Best to use a sat nav if you want accuracy. Or trust your speedo and you'll never go over.

Do you reckon I'll get a fine/points? 90k in a 80k

wexie

allthedoyles wrote: »

I drive a Peugeot , and was mainly driving 100km p/hour according to car speedometer , which I always assumed to be accurate .

Am driving 20 years on full licence , never had a claim on my insurance , and never received any penalty points .

I don't encourage speed , as I believe in the slogan '' speed kills '' , and surprised to see so many posters here encouraging speed .

I haven't seen anybody here encouraging speeding. But I think you'll probably find that most people in the motoring forum aren't big fans of toddling along well below the speed limit if there isn't a need for it either.

I've a size bigger tires on my car (no not a boyracer car) and had the speedo checked, it reads spot on. Most people's speedo's seem to be anywhere from 5 to 10 km/h optimistic at 100 km/h. So when you're driving 100 according to your speedo, you may in fact only be driving 90.

And personally I believe there are many accidents on our roads because people end up overtaking when they really shouldn't out of sheer desperation because they're stuck behind some geriatric in a 25 year old Corolla (first owner) doing 60.

(that's not to say that's what you were doing, I think we can all agree some of the things you've mentioned do happen for no reason and there are some atrocious drivers out there, but I think it's clear from the reactions you've had the kind of impression you've given some of us)

wexie

Jebus Diced wrote: »

Do you reckon I'll get a fine/points? 90k in a 80k

Maybe, maybe not. No arguing with a Gatso. Only way to find out is to wait I'm afraid.

Jebus Diced

wexie wrote: »

Maybe, maybe not. No arguing with a Gatso. Only way to find out is to wait I'm afraid.

Thx - the wait is killing me.

Twas Not

allthedoyles wrote: »

Today I had to drive the full length of the N25 which stretches from Wexford to Cork , and conditions were great for driving , but want to make the following points and hope it helps drivers to take care .

I don't say I am brilliant driver by any means , but was horrified today by some of the things I saw and happened on the N25.

• The speed limit for articulated truck is 80km on N25 , so its not okay to be doing 100km
• The speed limit for articulated truck on N25 Motorway is 90kmh so its not okay to be doing 100kmh
• For the driver that passed me out / articulated truck , you must have seen the oncoming car flashing his lights at you so surely you knew it was a dangerous manouevre .
• For the driver that attempted to pass me out on a continuous white line , and had to pull in again behind me , why did you think you could make it with a full row of oncoming cars .
• The speed limit in the Jack Lynch Tunnel is 80km , yet cars kept overtaking me at much higher speed .
• For the driver that did pass me out on the brow of a hill , and swerved in front of me to avoid oncoming traffic - why, as I was already doing 100km
• For the driver that was continuously driving on the hard shoulder at 100km - this is not okay .

Finally , just an observation that most of these cars mentioned above were BMW and Audi .


Correct me if I'm wrong on any of the remarks above .

Might be best if you took a break off the roads. You seem stressed and obsessed with others driving habits rather than concentrating on your own driving which may well make YOU the danger !

CiniO

TheChizler wrote: »

Depends on the car, legally they can be up to 10% over, not under

They can be up to 10% over + 4km/h.
So f.e. when car is really doing 100km/h, legally speedometer can show anything between 100km/h and 114km/h.

wexie

Jebus Diced wrote: »

Thx - the wait is killing me.

it's a pain alright. To be honest if it was me (and it has been me in the past) I'd think I'd probably be in the clear. I didn't get the ticket but couldn't tell you if I managed to break in time, if the Gatso wasn't operating or if I just got lucky.

wexie

CiniO wrote: »

They can be up to 10% over + 4km/h.
So f.e. when car is really doing 100km/h, legally speedometer can show anything between 100km/h and 114km/h.

or, in context for this thread : if your speedo is showing 103 you're actually only doing 90....

TheChizler

Jebus Diced wrote: »

Do you reckon I'll get a fine/points? 90k in a 80k

Couldn't say. Get a sat nav or speedometer app and drive at the limit according to that and see what your speedo says. I imagine it wouldn't be too far off. Never assume your speedo is over reading just because it's allowed to. It could be spot on at some speeds and off at others. Only way to know for sure is to wait.

CiniO

allthedoyles wrote: »

[*]For the driver that passed me out / articulated truck , you must have seen the oncoming car flashing his lights at you so surely you knew it was a dangerous manouevre .

Well I get flashed by other drivers often enough, but it doesn't mean what I did was dangerous manouevre. It just means that in their opinion it was.

[*]For the driver that was continuously driving on the hard shoulder at 100km - this is not okay .

Maybe he moved to hard shoulder to make a space for you to overtake?

wexie

TheChizler wrote: »

Never assume your speedo is over reading just because it's allowed to. It could be spot on at some speeds and off at others. Only way to know for sure is to wait.

I noticed in my wife's car the inaccuracy gets bigger the faster you go, at 80km/h you're doing 78km/h but if the speedo is reading 130km/h you're doing 120km/h spot on.

wexie

CiniO wrote: »

Well I get flashed by other drivers often enough, but it doesn't mean what I did was dangerous manouevre. It just means that in their opinion it was.

Or they're warning you there's a Gatso van up the road, or they're flashing their neighbour driving behind you, or they're just driving over a bump in the road which makes it look like they're flashing you, or they're driving their wife's car and hit the high beams instead of the windscreen sprayer cause the controls are on the other side, or, or. ......

CiniO

wexie wrote: »

I noticed in my wife's car the inaccuracy gets bigger the faster you go, at 80km/h you're doing 78km/h but if the speedo is reading 130km/h you're doing 120km/h spot on.

2km/h difference at 78km/h and 10km/h difference at 120km/h?

What real speed are you doing when speedo shows 200km/h?

CiniO

wexie wrote: »

Or they're warning you there's a Gatso van up the road, or they're flashing their neighbour driving behind you, or they're just driving over a bump in the road which makes it look like they're flashing you, or they're driving their wife's car and hit the high beams instead of the windscreen sprayer cause the controls are on the other side, or, or. ......

Oh come on.
I can recognise when someone flashes me, which exact meaning of telling me they didn't like what I did.

wexie

CiniO wrote: »

2km/h difference at 78km/h and 10km/h difference at 120km/h?

What real speed are you doing when speedo shows 200km/h?

Dunno, it's a Kia Carens, I'm not really brave enough to try find out either

wexie

CiniO wrote: »

Oh come on.
I can recognise when someone flashes me, which exact meaning of telling me they didn't like what I did.

But can OP (which is kinda what I meant, as in : people flash for all kinds of reasons)

OldmanMondeo

allthedoyles wrote: »

• The speed limit for articulated truck on N25 Motorway is 90kmh so its not okay to be doing 100kmh
  
  Correct me if I'm wrong on any of the remarks above .

Don't mind if I do, If it is a motorway it wold then be called M25. N is for national routes suitable to all traffic subjuect to national speed limit of 100kph, M is for Motorways with a speed limit of 120kph.

Blazer

In fairness to the Op I travel the Limerick to Cork road every day and the driving is atrocious. From drivers crawling along at 90kph and overtaking someone doing 85kph on the overtaking lines to people taking crazy risks to overtake frightens even me.
The first few days I booted down but after seeing the above etc I've decided to find a nice spot in the middle of nobody and steer clear of other drivers.
Had an extremely close call last when some lunatic in a silver mondeo overtook a line of traffic coming against us and forced cars to move in.
I was behind a van and only saw him at the last split second and had already swerved while it was still registering and he missed my driver's mirror by about 3 inches. At no point did he attempt to move back to his side of the road.
Only reason I swerved was that 2 work colleagues a few years back died when the car in front of them suddenly swerved off the road and they was hit by headon by a polish guy and his girlfriend. 4 people died that day and at the scene the cops couldn't tell who were driving the polish car such was the devastation.
I always swore after that if I ever saw the car in front of me suddenly swerving I'd be doing the same thing. It saved my life last Friday.
Now some will say to allow plenty of space in front of you...but then you'll get a smartarse overtake you and slot in front.

daveohdave

OldmanMondeo wrote: »

Don't mind if I do, If it is a motorway it wold then be called M25. N is for national routes suitable to all traffic subjuect to national speed limit of 100kph, M is for Motorways with a speed limit of 120kph.

If you're going to correct someone, try some research yourself first. As on many large N roads, there's a 120 section on the N25.

OP, move over.

obezyana

daveohdave wrote: »

If you're going to correct someone, try some research yourself first. As on many large N roads, there's a 120 section on the N25.

OP, move over.

I have to say iv never seen a speed limit of 120 on a N road, personally I think the limit should be 110 and on motorways it should be 140.

Rubberchikken

People really don't seem to like to have it pointed out that a lot of drivers, Audi and BMW esp, are speeding/manouvering dangerously/impatient.

And no one can have seen every artic truck in Ireland so there have to be plenty of them speeding.
I've certainly seen them, and i'm not in the habit of imagining things.

Larry Wildman

CiniO wrote: »

I get flashed by other drivers often enough

Everyone's dancing to the wrong step, except you, eh?

wexie

obezyana wrote: »

I have to say iv never seen a speed limit of 120 on a N road, personally I think the limit should be 110 and on motorways it should be 140.

https://www.google.ie/maps/place/Castleview,+Co.+Cork/@51.907229,-8.352467,3a,75y,296.52h,90.06t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sL_f_WzdBlt1TfH8l0XpGBw!2e0!4m2!3m1!1s0x48449b50433fe0a5:0x2600c7a819bf0502

Pulling onto the N25 from Little Island in Caaaark

DanWall

CiniO wrote: »

Maybe he moved to hard shoulder to make a space for you to overtake?

This is illegal on motorways and dangerous on other roads, I used to have a drive coming out onto a road and I had a few near misses with people doing this

corktina

several around Cork

Jesus.

allthedoyles wrote: »

I believe in the slogan '' speed kills '' .

What other things that they spoon feed you do you believe?

allthedoyles

Jesus. wrote: »

What other things that they spoon feed you do you believe?

arrive alive

daveohdave

Hush, OP is listening for Soft Landing. :-)

visual

Have often been stuck behind a slow driver what is very frustrating is that they slow even more when the centre white line is solid then speed up when its broken white line.
Of course they straddle the centre line and make it very unpleasant driving for all those following.

Sooner or later a very frustrated driver will attempt to over take knowing full well that if they miss an opportunity they be stuck behind for miles before another opportunity might arise.

If the driver overtaking misjudges they could be involved in an serious RTA but the slow driver is probably going to continue on unscaled even if they where a major contributing factor to head on crash.

In my opinion drive too fast is as dangerous as driving too slow.