security on your farm?

Greengrass1

What have you done around your yard or house to stop theifs.
We have a dog here in the yard. She gets annoying sometimes as she barks none stop when you know someone is in the yard and talking to them wont stop until you tell her to shut it. But she is a great help.
Also have locks on gates and keep tractors near house and locked for all the good it will do

blue5000

Shot gun patrol 3 nights a week. I'd be very slow to say what security I have online, anybody can read this.

exercise is the antidote

The oul fella found a grease gun in a shed where we keep our timber. He reckons it fell out of the van of who ever was helping themselves to the timber as he never seen it before.

The hunt was on the week before and they had spectators following them ðŸ˜. Ye couldn't be up to them!

I'd recommend a wicked dog and don't be shy about telling people he bites!

Miname

i'm thinking of moving the mother in law down to the yard.

Nekarsulm

Some shagger helped himself to a spare wheel for the jeep sometime during the last 10 days. Must have only needed a jeep wheel, as never touched the trailer spare beside it. Plan to get two of those "Trail Cams" , could be interesting.....

knockmulliner

Cc TV cameras and a big sign telling the place is monitored. Since I installed them fellows selling tools and gates have stopped calling. I also have sensor activated lights with a built in still camera on an out farm again with a sign.

Base price

5 guard dogs, cctv (6 cameras), a repeater shotgun and a s/s d/b shotgun, 2 sets of locked gates on the driveway to house and yard, steel doors with 3 x 5 lever chubb locks on each door of the tool and diesel sheds and both are also alarmed.

Mulumpy

Base price wrote: »

5 guard dogs, cctv (6 cameras), a repeater shotgun and a s/s d/b shotgun, 2 sets of locked gates on the driveway to house and yard, steel doors with 3 x 5 lever chubb locks on each door of the tool and diesel sheds and both are also alarmed.

Now I have the tune to Get Smart in my head!

Base price

Mulumpy wrote: »

Now I have the tune to Get Smart in my head!

My brother is a bit of a security nut so he installed the cameras and steel doors/locks for us. He got the steel doors for taking away from some factory that was been demolished years ago. The cctv was the biggest expense and I suppose the dogs do have a feed cost but some of them do also help with moving cattle.

lakill Farm

do many farmers use the locks where one key will unlock them all?

I have 2 sets (3 locks which 1 key will open) here but thinking of updating. I think you need to get them off the locksmith.

anyone know the cost?

Tokyo

lakill Farm wrote: »

do many farmers use the locks where one key will unlock them all?

I have 2 sets (3 locks which 1 key will open) here but thinking of updating. I think you need to get them off the locksmith.

anyone know the cost?

We use them around here - the old man got them through work as they have buildings dotted around the county that everyone needs to access and were upgrading the locks to the laser cut key variety. I do know they're ridiculously priced though - I'll ask him for the figures when he gets back.

There seem to be a few places in the UK that do sets of keyed-alike padlocks for a reasonable price, and they deliver - from what I can see you can pick up as many locks as you want. Throw "keyed alike padlock sets" at google and see what pops up.

Tokyo

As for security, in our place it's a big dog and a row of empty shotgun cartridges left on the front wall of the house. Plus security lights dotted round the place. Though have recently installed security cameras for elderly neighbours, as gates, trailers and so on have been taken out of the yard as of late.

Have land about 7km away from the house - only security that works there is to not leave anything there - anything that hasn't been nailed down has been lifted out of the place over the past few years - rolls of wire, electric fence, found the tractor running there one morning, evidently intended for the back of a truck before they were disturbed....

Zr105

lakill Farm wrote: »

do many farmers use the locks where one key will unlock them all?

I have 2 sets (3 locks which 1 key will open) here but thinking of updating. I think you need to get them off the locksmith.

anyone know the cost?

Ask in most decent hardware stores and they can organise a batch of key alike locks through their suppliers normally! Have a few different sets about, each lock comes with 2 keys, somehow over the years we seem to have depleted the original sets keys down to just one original and a few copies now

onyerbikepat

Have nothing worth taking!
Anything of real value I keep in the garage off the house and that's all locked again in a large tool cabinet. Also have a double barrell shot gun. The guy I bought it off told me, anytime I fire it at someone to fire a second shot into the air. 'That's the warning shot' - he said.

Miname

mike_ie wrote: »

We use them around here - the old man got them through work as they have buildings dotted around the county that everyone needs to access and were upgrading the locks to the laser cut key variety. I do know they're ridiculously priced though - I'll ask him for the figures when he gets back.

There seem to be a few places in the UK that do sets of keyed-alike padlocks for a reasonable price, and they deliver - from what I can see you can pick up as many locks as you want. Throw "keyed alike padlock sets" at google and see what pops up.

Theres keyed alike and master keyed. master keyed is where theres various locks with different keys but one key that will open them all, while keyed alike means all keys are the same. personally i prefer master keyed, that way if you do have to give access to one area and dont want to let them into a few areas you can throw them the one individual key for that unit.

thetangler

Hi
I ot a set of cylindicral locks in homebase last year 3 locks one key opens all.
Think they were around €50

jimmy G M

You can buy combination locks in some lock smiths, cost around €20 for a good one. No need for key. Set all combinations the same. Make sure it's one which locks the shackles at both ends as I have seen some in some hardware shops only lock one end of the shackle, useless.

arctictree

Bought a set of exactly these on ebay last year:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-Draper-60mm-Solid-Brass-Padlocks-Pack-6-Keyed-Alike-All-Same-Keys-/251395164654?pt=UK_HaG_Lock_Safes_GL&hash=item3a8851c9ee

Great job but expensive.

enricoh

getting a point to point gsm beam alarm in next week, sends a text when someone breaks the beam.
have cameras too but they just show you what colour hoodie the lads were wearing!
good chubb locks n a good dog are your best bet

frazzledhome

We have an electric gate and insurance. Great to keep salesmen out

visatorro

nope sure where to post this but......

iv posted before that iv had " travelling salesmen" in here before. on last count iv had twenty visits in the last three weeks. all coming in trying to catch the elder generation here on their own. i wasnt here til ten this morning as having breakfast with herself . this fella in an english reg van landed in and announced that his friend had run out of diesel. older generation said iv none, to which this b******d replied you have. he walked away down to outside my milking parlour, got two empty drums, and filled two drums of green diesel and away with him. im barely able to type this as im raging. its gone to the stage where i cant leave the place. every time i see them coming in i run at them tell them to get out and never come back. next thing they just land in here again and say hows it goin sure i was asked to come back. they land in and tell older generation that i owe them money. landed one day and asked for a loan of money. to be honest i dont know what im goin do next. electric gates isnt really an option. although im gonna have to make it an option some way. its not fair

nashmach

visatorro wrote: »

nope sure where to post this but......

iv posted before that iv had " travelling salesmen" in here before. on last count iv had twenty visits in the last three weeks. all coming in trying to catch the elder generation here on their own. i wasnt here til ten this morning as having breakfast with herself . this fella in an english reg van landed in and announced that his friend had run out of diesel. older generation said iv none, to which this b******d replied you have. he walked away down to outside my milking parlour, got two empty drums, and filled two drums of green diesel and away with him. im barely able to type this as im raging. its gone to the stage where i cant leave the place. every time i see them coming in i run at them tell them to get out and never come back. next thing they just land in here again and say hows it goin sure i was asked to come back. they land in and tell older generation that i owe them money. landed one day and asked for a loan of money. to be honest i dont know what im goin do next. electric gates isnt really an option. although im gonna have to make it an option some way. its not fair

Sorry to read this but may I ask why have you no lock on the tank! :eek:

Whatever about electric gates, would two sheeted gates with locks on them work or is milk collection etc at irregular times and thus it wouldn't work.

You'd love to have a shotgun :rolleyes:

Are you taking the reg plates of the vans and reporting them to the Gardai etc?

Tokyo

^^ Was just going to say the same - might be time to put a padlock on the tank, if nothign else it'll stop them coming back at night and draining it completely.

Hate to see the way things have gone, but it might be worth considering installing a monitored alarm with a panic button for anyone elderly. Neighbours have the same setup - the couple of times someone suspicious decided to have a wander through their yard and sheds, one press of the panic button and the local cops had a car sent round in ten minutes.....

Username John

visatorro wrote: »

nope sure where to post this but......

iv posted before that iv had " travelling salesmen" in here before. on last count iv had twenty visits in the last three weeks. all coming in trying to catch the elder generation here on their own. i wasnt here til ten this morning as having breakfast with herself . this fella in an english reg van landed in and announced that his friend had run out of diesel. older generation said iv none, to which this b******d replied you have. he walked away down to outside my milking parlour, got two empty drums, and filled two drums of green diesel and away with him. im barely able to type this as im raging. its gone to the stage where i cant leave the place. every time i see them coming in i run at them tell them to get out and never come back. next thing they just land in here again and say hows it goin sure i was asked to come back. they land in and tell older generation that i owe them money. landed one day and asked for a loan of money. to be honest i dont know what im goin do next. electric gates isnt really an option. although im gonna have to make it an option some way. its not fair

Sorry to hear that

What about security cameras, at both house and farm? At least you'd have the lads number plate to go to the guards with, they might be some bit of a deterrent?

The man that was in my place before me, had a house alarm fitted (I think the installation was subsidised, as they were an OAP) and they had a pendant personal alarm type thing, that they always had with them. Would that be useful? If anyone called, they could press the pendant immediately, the alarm would go off and a call would be made to you or whoever.
Again - not a solution, but maybe a bit more of a deterrent.

Buona Fortuna

visatorro wrote: »

nope sure where to post this but......

iv posted before that iv had " travelling salesmen" in here before. on last count iv had twenty visits in the last three weeks. all coming in trying to catch the elder generation here on their own. i wasnt here til ten this morning as having breakfast with herself . this fella in an english reg van landed in and announced that his friend had run out of diesel. older generation said iv none, to which this b******d replied you have. he walked away down to outside my milking parlour, got two empty drums, and filled two drums of green diesel and away with him. im barely able to type this as im raging. its gone to the stage where i cant leave the place. every time i see them coming in i run at them tell them to get out and never come back. next thing they just land in here again and say hows it goin sure i was asked to come back. they land in and tell older generation that i owe them money. landed one day and asked for a loan of money. to be honest i dont know what im goin do next. electric gates isnt really an option. although im gonna have to make it an option some way. its not fair

Sorry to read. I hate reading about these feckin scumbags.

A shotgun might come in handy for crows and mags.

I liked Mikes suggestion of leaving a few spent cartridges around the place.

Any of the lads nearby help you keep a look out?

Round this way people are always on the look out for anything unusual.

All the best.

visatorro

nashmach wrote: »

Sorry to read this but may I ask why have you no lock on the tank! :eek:

Whatever about electric gates, would two sheeted gates with locks on them work or is milk collection etc at irregular times and thus it wouldn't work.

You'd love to have a shotgun :rolleyes:

Are you taking the reg plates of the vans and reporting them to the Gardai etc?

milk collection could be managed. its more the set up of the entrance ill prob have to actually block the exiting entrance and open a new on with a lane away from the house which brings its problems aswell. its an old tank and there is no way off locking the tank. something will have to be done there also. nothign to stop them drilling a hole in the side of it anyway.
but its more the persistant bullying id call it that annoys me the most.

visatorro

Username John wrote: »

Sorry to hear that

What about security cameras, at both house and farm? At least you'd have the lads number plate to go to the guards with, they might be some bit of a deterrent?

The man that was in my place before me, had a house alarm fitted (I think the installation was subsidised, as they were an OAP) and they had a pendant personal alarm type thing, that they always had with them. Would that be useful? If anyone called, they could press the pendant immediately, the alarm would go off and a call would be made to you or whoever.
Again - not a solution, but maybe a bit more of a deterrent.

have cameras. guards said there is nothing they can do. looking at it from their point of view what can they do nothing really. they dont want to know. which isnt their fault either.
older generation are still very mobile and can use phone.the pendant is possibly an option.

shotgun isnt an option.

whisky_galore

knockmulliner wrote: »

Cc TV cameras and a big sign telling the place is monitored. Since I installed them fellows selling tools and gates have stopped calling. I also have sensor activated lights with a built in still camera on an out farm again with a sign.

This.
Never has anyone selling sh!t door to door has anything worth buying that you can't get anywhere else that's better priced in some cases, better quality, with a guarantee or some sort of comeback. Dodgy insurance guys/dodgy home alarm and fire extinguisher fellas and tools, furniture and gates that 'fell off the back of a lorry' and 'wallet inspectors'. An excuse for many to come inside the gate and case the joint.

Personally, tidying up the place keeps the 'any oul scrap metal' types disinterested / stuck up cctv cameras and big fcuk-off cctv signs.

Keeping gates closed seems to work (pain in the hole in the beginning, but we have a neighbour thats likes taking his dogs running after his tractor/quad to his outside farm whether he wants them or not and our lad runs out) and padlocking rarely used access points.

Have dog that doesn't like strangers or any lad acting suss (including Jehovahs...fcuksake don't know why they bother...as if my mum in her 70s is going to convert at this stage), doesn't bite unless well provoked but makes plenty noise.

Don't have a gun and don't plan on getting one either, things are bad but it's not Afghanistan yet.

Rebar

knockmulliner wrote: »

Cc TV cameras and a big sign telling the place is monitored. Since I installed them fellows selling tools and gates have stopped calling. I also have sensor activated lights with a built in still camera on an out farm again with a sign.

They usually always case the place first in the daylight, while using some other excuse to call.

They don't like their van, reg and face being recorded at all, but you need good quality CCTV and alarm gear, the mickey mouse stuff will not deter anyone.

This, good locks and gates, and a shot gun.

You might have to spend a few grand on securing entrances and gates, but what price is peace of mind ? Now's the time to do it, not after it goes wrong.

No place will ever be 100% secure or thief proof, the best you can do is to push them off to somewhere with easier pickings.

If your still having bother

Keep getting any incidents recorded at the barracks and on their books if nothing else.

Tell the Guards you understand there might not be a lot they can do at this stage, but that your letting them know, so that at least there is a good independent log of it, and so that they know what's going on in the area.

Keep the Gardai on your side.

Get a neighbourhood watch going, the Guards will help with this.

Username John

visatorro wrote: »

have cameras. guards said there is nothing they can do. looking at it from their point of view what can they do nothing really. they dont want to know. which isnt their fault either.
older generation are still very mobile and can use phone.the pendant is possibly an option.

shotgun isnt an option.

Maybe a few signs as Whisky said there would help? Altho its hard to know, as lads can be very brazen.

The pendant and alarm would be good - if they land, tell the folks there to set off the alarm the minute they arrive, get the siren going, and get the calls going out, and put people on the road to your folks place.
Its as much to put them off calling as anything else...

Just found this
http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/justice/crime_and_crime_prevention/seniors_alert.html

Tokyo

I don't like interrupting a good conversation, but as a shotgun owner myself I feel that it's worth mentioning that posting about having a shotgun purely for home security might draw the wrong sort of attention down on you in terms of holding onto your firearm certificate, or worse again should you ever need to use it.

Having a shotgun for vermin control on the farm, no problem. Wandering down to the front gate to greet visitors with it resting in the crook of your arm, probably not so much.

Zr105

visatorro wrote: »

milk collection could be managed. its more the set up of the entrance ill prob have to actually block the exiting entrance and open a new on with a lane away from the house which brings its problems aswell. its an old tank and there is no way off locking the tank. something will have to be done there also. nothign to stop them drilling a hole in the side of it anyway.
but its more the persistant bullying id call it that annoys me the most.

Is there a round topped tap on the pipe beside the tank? If so get a length of pipe, normally around 80mm diameter, and about a foot long, cap one end then cut 2 slots in it at other end that are wide enough to go over the pipe, then drill holes in the sides at 90degrees to the cuts, at the bottom edge if you get me, drop it down over the tap and put a pin in under the pipe with a lock in it.

You can also make up one for a lever valve but it takes a bit more fiddling around.

Zr105

mike_ie wrote: »

I don't like interrupting a good conversation, but as a shotgun owner myself I feel that it's worth mentioning that posting about having a shotgun purely for home security might draw the wrong sort of attention down on you in terms of holding onto your firearm certificate, or worse again should you ever need to use it.

Having a shotgun for vermin control on the farm, no problem. Wandering down to the front gate to greet visitors with it resting in the crook of your arm, probably not so much.

Its great when you stumble across these lads at your gate when your wandering out to knock a few crows off the barley or going after a few bunnies that have an acre of grass nipped clean, they dont seem to like talking those days....

whisky_galore

Username John wrote: »

Maybe a few signs as Whisky said there would help? Altho its hard to know, as lads can be very brazen.

They can be, lads can cover faces, put false regs on vans, we can only do what we can do (within the bounds of the law of course)

Forgot to mention....locking fuel storage tanks, fuel theft is an issue as well, though wondering what to do about the oil for the house, in a steel (not plastic) tank other than putting a lock on the top.

Nekarsulm

I moved the oil tank for the house into a shed, at least the shed can be locked.
If you as much as hint that your shotgun might have a home defence role, expect to lose it.

The closest the parents came to being robbed, was by a lad selling Hearing Aids. He had them convinced that the latest electronic model was the business. Of course you needed one for each ear. Cost? just under 2500.
Was he mad when I arrived before the deal was done!

Rosahane

Nekarsulm wrote: »

?..
If you as much as hint that your shotgun might have a home defence role, expect to lose it ....

Our daughter is married in Mayo. Some of these guys came into a neighbours yard - think it was an out farm - and refused to leave. The farmer and his father got a shotgun and fired in the air.

Result farmer in court and lost his gun licence!

PureBred

Cameras on house and alarm also.

i live down a cul de sac and you would be amazed by the amount of people that come down and turn in the yard.

I get an email each time it happens.

Buona Fortuna

Rosahane wrote: »

Our daughter is married in Mayo. Some of these guys came into a neighbours yard - think it was an out farm - and refused to leave. The farmer and his father got a shotgun and fired in the air.

Result farmer in court and lost his gun licence!

Rosahane have you any more details on that? I'd have just thought if he hadn't said too much, and the local gard being OK.

"Just shooting some crows, sorry didn't see the feckin trespassers."

Maybe I'm being naive.

Rosahane

Buona Fortuna wrote: »

Rosahane have you any more details on that? I'd have just thought if he hadn't said too much, and the local gard being OK.

"Just shooting some crows, sorry didn't see the feckin trespassers."

Maybe I'm being naive.

Just what daughter told me. Both father and son had shotguns, only son fired.. His gun was seized and he was told licence rescinded. Fathers licence looks ok as he hadn't fired..
Presumablely Gardai arrived on for of complaint from travellers.
I'll find out more..
I don't think it has gone to court yet, it was only weeks ago.
The Garda super has the right to rescind a licence.

Buona Fortuna

Rosahane wrote: »

Just what daughter told me. Both father and son had shotguns, only son fired.. His gun was seized and he was told licence rescinded. Fathers licence looks ok as he hadn't fired..
Presumablely Gardai arrived on for of complaint from travellers.
I'll find out more..
I don't think it has gone to court yet, it was only weeks ago.
The Garda super has the right to rescind a licence.

So the gards must have been pretty local then? I speculate of course but its a pity they disn't sort the problem out before it got to that point.

moy83

Rosahane wrote: »

Just what daughter told me. Both father and son had shotguns, only son fired.. His gun was seized and he was told licence rescinded. Fathers licence looks ok as he hadn't fired..
Presumablely Gardai arrived on for of complaint from travellers.
I'll find out more..
I don't think it has gone to court yet, it was only weeks ago.
The Garda super has the right to rescind a licence.

It wouldn't take much for the super to turn down the license. Mine got stopped a few years ago after I hit a lad . I wouldn't mind but the super knows us well enough and I was never in trouble with the guards before or since that and he knew it well .
I got it after a bit of reasoning with him , but he wanted me to wait 6 months in case I " misbehaved " over the Christmas !
Anyone know the % of shootings with licenced guns over unlicenced ?

Reggie.

moy83 wrote: »

It wouldn't take much for the super to turn down the license. Mine got stopped a few years ago after I hit a lad . I wouldn't mind but the super knows us well enough and I was never in trouble with the guards before or since that and he knew it well .
I got it after a bit of reasoning with him , but he wanted me to wait 6 months in case I " misbehaved " over the Christmas !
Anyone know the % of shootings with licenced guns over unlicenced ?

Yeah sweet feck all

Nekarsulm

Yeah, the old saying is true.. "When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.."

sandydan

where dsl got "borrowed" regular a fell i know got spare tank with hose in usual place and filled some battery acid mixture in tank.borrowing stopped still cant figure out why,he said, no one complained to him about quality problems anyhow.
bought dsl off truck for while when truck passing and at depot.

lab man

a fella here at work can open most locks in a few minutes doors or anything is no problem he opened a chubb round type lock the other day in about 2 mins

893bet

visatorro wrote: »

nope sure where to post this but......

iv posted before that iv had " travelling salesmen" in here before. on last count iv had twenty visits in the last three weeks. all coming in trying to catch the elder generation here on their own. i wasnt here til ten this morning as having breakfast with herself . this fella in an english reg van landed in and announced that his friend had run out of diesel. older generation said iv none, to which this b******d replied you have. he walked away down to outside my milking parlour, got two empty drums, and filled two drums of green diesel and away with him. im barely able to type this as im raging. its gone to the stage where i cant leave the place. every time i see them coming in i run at them tell them to get out and never come back. next thing they just land in here again and say hows it goin sure i was asked to come back. they land in and tell older generation that i owe them money. landed one day and asked for a loan of money. to be honest i dont know what im goin do next. electric gates isnt really an option. although im gonna have to make it an option some way. its not fair

****ing bastards.

MickeyShtyles

Got reminded of this thread at the start of the week.
Was down in my auld lads home place for a few days..... No one lives there.
I had left a floodlight on put the back.
Anyway, about half eleven on Monday night, sensor lights in the yard and the gable end of the house went off. I could see a white van driving around, went out and it turned out to be a neighbour wondering about the light.
Good neighbours I reckon are vital.

whisky_galore

MickeyShtyles wrote: »

Got reminded of this thread at the start of the week.
Was down in my auld lads home place for a few days..... No one lives there.
I had left a floodlight on put the back.
Anyway, about half eleven on Monday night, sensor lights in the yard and the gable end of the house went off. I could see a white van driving around, went out and it turned out to be a neighbour wondering about the light.
Good neighbours I reckon are vital.

That was his story....Are you sure that's all he was doing?:D

MickeyShtyles

whisky_galore wrote: »

That was his story....Are you sure that's all he was doing?:D

Well unless he was after a bottle of baileys....... Everything else is well minded!

whelan2

neighbours house was robbed on monday around lunch time, he was able to see who it was from cctv in local shop and school. Got reg of car, car was stopped in dublin the next day by gardai with a stolen cement mixer on the back-not my neighbours- they got the 4 lads red handed

Buona Fortuna

whelan2 wrote: »

neighbours house was robbed on monday around lunch time, he was able to see who it was from cctv in local shop and school. Got reg of car, car was stopped in dublin the next day by gardai with a stolen cement mixer on the back-not my neighbours- they got the 4 lads red handed

They'll probably get a fine :mad: