Rough Ride on RTÉ 1 tonight *mod note post #153*

dinneenp

Hi,
Creating a new thread instead of putting this in 'Off Topic' so that everyone will see it.
ROUGH RIDE on RTÉ tonight at 9:35. It will not be on the RTE player

The long-awaited documentary film by Paul Kimmage on the Tour de France and the sport’s difficulties with doping will be broadcast on RTE.
Filming began nearly two years ago and the documentary was expected to be released before now. However, it was delayed partly because of legal considerations around some of the content.

The fly-on-the-wall style production followed Kimmage for over a year, including on last year’s Tour de France, the 100th running of the race.
The cameras were also there as Pat McQuaid and the UCI announced it was suing him only to later cease that action and for the period when the former pro turned journalist and author launched a counter legal action.

The cameras also followed the Dubliner during the period of the downfall of Lance Armstrong and the period when McQuaid ran for the UCI presidency and lost the office.

Dublin-based Wildfire Films last year described the project as follows: “Told against the backdrop of the centenary Tour, and through the eyes of one of the most aggravated whistleblowers in sports journalism, we are going on a journey that could prove to be one of the most contentious sports films of our time.”

It will undoubtedly be a major hit with many cyclists, cycling fans and even those with only a passing interest in the sport.

Cheers,
Pa.

ZiabR

Looking forward to this. He was on Ray Darcy this morning.

bazermc

I have a bad feeling about this programme, as to what could be reaveled

ROK ON

bazermc wrote: »

I have a bad feeling about this programme, as to what could be reaveled

I have a bad feeling that this could bore the ar5e off of me.

PK has been a good journalist but as the years go by I find it more difficult if not impossible not to detest a man that I once admired as a journalist. He is IMHO a depressed troll.

We know the sport is filthy FFS, most of us here spend a stupid amount of time following the sport for all of its flaws. I think crusading is only admirable up to a point and I think he has passed that point.

I would like to see world peace and an an to starvation and poverty. It ain't going to happen anytime soon and I am not going to lose any sleep or sanity over that.

Lumen

ROK ON wrote: »

I would like to see world peace and an an to starvation and poverty. It ain't going to happen anytime soon and I am not going to lose any sleep or sanity over that.

Fortunately for humanity there are people who lose sleep over starvation and poverty.

godtabh

ROK ON wrote: »

I have a bad feeling that this could bore the ar5e off of me.

PK has been a good journalist but as the years go by I find it more difficult if not impossible not to detest a man that I once admired as a journalist. He is IMHO a depressed troll.

We know the sport is filthy FFS, most of us here spend a stupid amount of time following the sport for all of its flaws. I think crusading is only admirable up to a point and I think he has passed that point.

I would like to see world peace and an an to starvation and poverty. It ain't going to happen anytime soon and I am not going to lose any sleep or sanity over that.

He always seems to want to be at the center of attention.

They played the Lance interview clip today on Today FM. The call Lance a cancer of cycling (not disputing that) and then requesting an interview it puts him at the centre of the story not the doping

ThisRegard

I've heard a few interviews with the actual makers of the documentary over the last week, and the program is actually about Kimmage and the affects of his doggedness on himself, family and friends. It's not setting out to show Kimmage as an evangelical journalist setting the world to rights. So there's no way that he won't be the centre of this documentary.

outfox

Anybody know why this wont be on RTE Player?

magicbastarder

legal or licencing concerns, presumably.

ROK ON

Lumen wrote: »

Fortunately for humanity there are people who lose sleep over starvation and poverty.

I'd have a suspicion that you are not one of them

evilivor

outfox wrote: »

Anybody know why this wont be on RTE Player?

Because a theatrical release is planned.

bazermc

outfox wrote: »

Anybody know why this wont be on RTE Player?

So lance cant see it!

Junior

They are looking for international distribution deal. Not quiet sure how this is a year inside Professional Cycling either.

CatFromHue

From reading the Indo yesterday it seemed that this will be about Kimmage.

The director wanted to do a love story between a person and something that doesn't love him back.

The person being Kimmage and the something being Cycling.

I think the first day they showed up to start filming was the day he got the letter saying he was being sued by the IOC or your man, can't remember which.

velo.2010

So will David Walsh get his own documentary, I wonder?

Seems to me that both men are looking to become the single journalistic authority on doping in professional cycling. It's fair to say that most non-cycling people know their names better than the dopers Walsh and Kimmage have investigated.

I say throw them both in a boxing ring - actually no, maybe an UFC octogan and let them do battle in ........ Mortal Kombat!:D

YeahOK

I've mixed views on Kimmage. As the poor cousin to Kelly, Roche and Earley in the 80’s, I always felt he came across as feeling hard done by, as if the sport owed him a living. He was never really as successful as his three Irish peers and I can’t help but get the impression when he talks about his time as a professional that this seeming chip on his shoulder is always there.

I read his book when it was first published and it was an eye opener, in hindsight, I can see how he might have left the sport disillusioned. His work as a journalist has been admirable, if at times it appeared as a bit of a crusade. He strikes me as a fella who never quite fit in with the crowd irrespective of what he was applying himself to; be it journalism or cycling or anything for that matter.

I just wish at times he’d drop the holier than thou attitude and act a little more impartially.

BTW, if you want a good read about cycling during Kimmages era, try get your hands on a book called Wide-Eyed and Legless by Jeff Connor. It tells the tale of one of the first British Professional Cycling Team’s (ANC Halfords) foray into the TDF. The predecessor to Team Sky. Great read…..:)

buffalo

CatFromHue wrote: »

From reading the Indo yesterday it seemed that this will be about Kimmage.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/cycling/paul-kimmage-suffering-for-our-art-on-rocky-road-to-paris-and-back-30461965.html

ThisRegard

velo.2010 wrote: »

Seems to me that both men are looking to become the single journalistic authority on doping in professional cycling.

Kimmage hasn't made this film about himself.

Lumen

ThisRegard wrote: »

Kimmage hasn't made this film about himself.

Kimmage hasn't made this film.

ThisRegard

That's what I'm getting at. He's not the one putting himself centre stage in this story.

YeahOK

ThisRegard wrote: »

That's what I'm getting at. He's not the one putting himself centre stage in this story.

Kimmage has put himself centre stage in a lot of this. You don't let camera's follow you around for two years unwittingly

Carpenter

As long as Kimmage has his face on TV it will help him have a job could it be sour grapes jealous of SR.

wicklowwonder

You guys as cycling fans may have different thoughts on Kimmage but as a sports fan I think he is one of greatest sports journalists/interviewers around. The biographies he has ghosted are all immense. The guy just gets to the heart of an subject warts and all. I wonder is that the real reason him and BOD split over BOD's book, was there something BOD wouldn't reveal. Him and Tom Humphries are the best sports journalists Ireland has produced in my book.

From a cycling point of view looking forward to this but he is a fascinating character as well.

diomed

I'm looking forward to this. My big fear is that I might be watching something else and miss it.
Cycling isn't clean, and Kimmage is not perfect, but I don't want cycling to only be a billboard to advertise products, with competition devalued by drug taking.

Junior

wicklowwonder wrote: »

You guys as cycling fans may have different thoughts on Kimmage but as a sports fan I think he is one of greatest sports journalists/interviewers around. The biographies he has ghosted are all immense. The guy just gets to the heart of an subject warts and all. I wonder is that the real reason him and BOD split over BOD's book, was there something BOD wouldn't reveal. Him and Tom Humphries are the best sports journalists Ireland has produced in my book.

From a cycling point of view looking forward to this but he is a fascinating character as well.

I wouldn't be using Tom Humphries as a good example of anything.

fat bloke

I can't wait to see it. I'm a big fan of Kimmage. Great journalist. A proper journalist I would say, and an interesting man who has led an interesting life.
A worthy basis and backdrop for a documentary to be sure (to be sure). imo

wicklowwonder

Junior wrote: »

I wouldn't be using Tom Humphries as a good example of anything.

He is a scumbag but his writing was brilliant.

pelevin

Very much pleased PatMcQ, Armstrong, etc had a big come-down from the heights but immersion in the world according to Kimmage generally disimproves my mood pretty quickly & strongly, so don't think I could sit down to this much undiluted Paul. For example, I saw one short advert clip for this programme & there's Paul explaining a difference of opinion with David Millar being down to Millar's love of cycling being blind whereas Paul himself is objective. Good man Paul - attesting to your own objectivity. A good impartial stance on why you're right. Reminds me of a Spike Milligan line: "My uncle was a great man. He told me so himself."

monument

pelevin wrote: »

...I saw one short advert clip for this programme & there's Paul explaining a difference of opinion with David Millar being down to Millar's love of cycling being blind whereas Paul himself is objective. Good man Paul - attesting to your own objectivity. A good impartial stance on why you're right. Reminds me of a Spike Milligan line: "My uncle was a great man. He told me so himself."

YeahOK wrote: »

I just wish at times he’d drop the holier than thou attitude and act a little more impartially.

The consensus seems to be that cycling is still somewhat dirty and it has not been cleaned up as much as it should be.

So, I'm unclear what he is not "objective" or "impartial" about.

If your view is something like "I don't care about the drug taking" or "all sports are dirty" or "he's too much of a downer, I'll be partly or fully blind to the drug taking because I enjoy cycling so much" etc, but I'm unclear by what you have said where Kimmage fails on impartially or objectivity.

fishfoodie

monument wrote: »

The consensus seems to be that cycling is still somewhat dirty and it has not been cleaned up as much as it should be.

So, I'm unclear what he is not "objective" or "impartial" about.

If your view is something like "I don't care about the drug taking" or "all sports are dirty" or "he's too much of a downer, I'll be partly or fully blind to the drug taking because I enjoy cycling so much" etc, but I'm unclear by what you have said where Kimmage fails on impartially or objectivity.

+1

It seems there are still too many naked Emperors who resent the child pointing out that they're boll0ck naked !

Me. I resent people telling me everything is hunky dory, when I still have to check the UCI web site every month to check who won the biggest events in the Cycling year.

PK does nothing more than raise a quizzical eyebrow when teams managed by acknowledged dopers, & employing riders who have either been found guilty of doping, or who have used the services of well know doping Doctors, demonstrate improbable improvements in their performance.

Oh, & he also has been an award winning sports journalist for the last decade or two :rolleyes:

If PK hadn't reminded the Irish cycling public of Pat McQuaids achievements as Head of the UCI, would cycling be better off, or worse ?

ford2600

I can get why people find him tiresome, but his interviews sre excellent.

His full interview with Landis was outstanding. He really has a gift with complicated characters

godtabh

I know its not on rte player but can you watch it on rte live?

RobFowl

ford2600 wrote: »

I can get why people find him tiresome, but his interviews sre excellent.

His full interview with Landis was outstanding. He really has a gift with complicated characters

He told the truth and expects (even demands) others do the same.
Without PK Lance would still have 7 TDF's and PMQ would still be UCI president with Hein lurking in the background.
His interview with Floyd Landis is outstanding IMO.

mikeyjames9

bazermc wrote: »

I have a bad feeling about this programme, as to what could be reaveled

he's not going to reveal anything

mistermatthew

godtabh wrote: »

I know its not on rte player but can you watch it on rte live?

Bollox. I don't have rte and thought I'd be able to stream online but you can't. This is absolute rubbish.

RobFowl

Best line ever "Paul was born perfect in an imperfect world"

Slightly tongue in cheek from Christy Kimmage (The Da)

pelevin

monument wrote: »

If your view is something like "I don't care about the drug taking" or "all sports are dirty" or "he's too much of a downer, I'll be partly or fully blind to the drug taking because I enjoy cycling so much" etc, but I'm unclear by what you have said where Kimmage fails on impartially or objectivity.

For example, a day or so before the last UCI presidential election he describes Brian Cookson as having "the backbone of a jellyfish." He reneges on doing a book with/on Brian O Driscoll because O Driscoll was doing an interview with someone from a newspaper other than Kimmage's. That level of immaturity, self-absorption & self-righteousness is off the scale. He's a man very, very free with his insults & black & white scenarios, of pure villains - before whom the vast majority are in thrall - & a precious few heroes who bear very close resemblance to Kimmage himself. Thus farcically describing new bosom buddy Joe Brolly as "a genius" in an interview piece last year.

A year or so ago I was virtually stunned to see the odd person here saying similar things about him, but I can very much see where they're coming from now. Still doesn't mean my impression of Pat McQ has improved any though. . . .

evilivor

RobFowl wrote: »

Best line ever "Paul was born perfect in an imperfect world"

Slightly tongue in cheek from Christy Kimmage (The Da)

It did sum the lad up like only a Da can.

kerry4sam

dinneenp wrote: »

Hi,
Creating a new thread instead of putting this in 'Off Topic' so that everyone will see it.
ROUGH RIDE on RTÉ tonight at 9:35. It will not be on the RTE player

The long-awaited documentary film by Paul Kimmage on the Tour de France and the sport’s difficulties with doping will be broadcast on RTE.
Filming began nearly two years ago and the documentary was expected to be released before now. However, it was delayed partly because of legal considerations around some of the content.

The fly-on-the-wall style production followed Kimmage for over a year, including on last year’s Tour de France, the 100th running of the race.
The cameras were also there as Pat McQuaid and the UCI announced it was suing him only to later cease that action and for the period when the former pro turned journalist and author launched a counter legal action.

The cameras also followed the Dubliner during the period of the downfall of Lance Armstrong and the period when McQuaid ran for the UCI presidency and lost the office.

Dublin-based Wildfire Films last year described the project as follows: “Told against the backdrop of the centenary Tour, and through the eyes of one of the most aggravated whistleblowers in sports journalism, we are going on a journey that could prove to be one of the most contentious sports films of our time.”

It will undoubtedly be a major hit with many cyclists, cycling fans and even those with only a passing interest in the sport.

Cheers,
Pa.

Just back from my cycle and only missed the first 10mins of this.

Many Thanks for creating this thread, bloody brillaint eye-opener for me this programme!
kerry4sam

seanin4711

Why so i wonder???

pelevin

fishfoodie wrote: »

+1


PK does nothing more than raise a quizzical eyebrow when teams managed by acknowledged dopers, & employing riders who have either been found guilty of doping, or who have used the services of well know doping Doctors, demonstrate improbable improvements in their performance.

Does he do nothing more than raise a quizzical eyebrow? A month or so back Kimmage did an interview with Chris Froome, which was generally a good piece in which Paul was virtually in the role of the kindly uncle, helpfully stressing to Froome that we need the highest standards from him. Strangely he didn't mention that last year, Kimmage wrote:

"Froome on Ventoux? Call me Dumbo: "I saw a peanut stand, heard a rubber band, I saw a needle that winked its eye. But I think I will have seen everything when I see an elephant fly."

The general meaning of this imo typically glib choice of quote is that Froome is totally beyond belief, and farcically so. And this without any shred of actual evidence is how Kimmage chose to put how he felt about Froome in the public arena, something totally different from healthy scepticism or open-mindedness. Judging by the Froome interview, Kimmage no longer feels Froome is a blatant cheat but it didn't stop him describing him as that last year.

I'm not looking for PR or blind damnations of riders but hopefully stuff of genuine integrity, and imo that kind of self-righteous and total disregard for someone's reputation - just blindly calling them a blatant cheat - doesn't justify Kimmage the kind of ethical guardian role many, and certainly apparently himself, consider he holds. "This is the guy talking to me of standards, the guy who last year called me a blatant cheat without a shred of evidence" would be a pretty reasonable thought for Froome imo.

nerraw1111

Great so far. Fascinating insight into the man, particularly from his father and brother.

copacetic

seanin4711 wrote: »

Why so i wonder???

Rights issues.

godtabh

mistermatthew wrote: »

Bollox. I don't have rte and thought I'd be able to stream online but you can't. This is absolute rubbish.

Whats the point of paying for a licence when the pick and choose what they let you watch.

godtabh

copacetic wrote: »

Rights issues.

surely not for a geo locked rte stream when its shown on rte live?

copacetic

godtabh wrote: »

surely not for a geo locked rte stream when its shown on rte live?

Why not?

It's a first showing of a a co production with irish film board etc, live broadcast TV only is often the only rights included in such an arrangement.

They have been promoting it non stop but pointing out it wouldn't be online constantly also. It's not blocked for the laugh..

evilivor

godtabh wrote: »

Whats the point of paying for a licence when the pick and choose what they let you watch.

Licence is to own a tv, not to watch content on it. RTE don't have the rights to show it outside Ireland - it's getting an international release.

robertxxx

So who here is doping?

Badger2009

Absolute nonsense. The first time in a year I want to watch something on RTE and they don't have it on the player yet I can watch hundreds of episodes of Fair City!

Gutted to miss it actually. Hopefully it will be available online somewhere after.

neris

who was the jorno asking froome questions and then apologising?

micar

neris wrote: »

who was the jorno asking froome questions and then apologising?

he's was muppet!!!!