Avonmore protein milk

Darkest Horse

Hi all. I bloody love this stuff and usually throw back a litre following training. Problem is I'm moving to the UK and as far as I'm aware this isn't available there. Anyone know of any alternatives?

Alf Veedersane

Whey?

meijin

Darkest Horse wrote: »

Hi all. I bloody love this stuff and usually throw back a litre following training. Problem is I'm moving to the UK and as far as I'm aware this isn't available there. Anyone know of any alternatives?

from http://www.avonmore.ie/our-range/our-products-milk/avonmore-protein-milk

We’ve added 50% extra high quality whey and casein protein to Avonmore Protein Milk

so just add whey (and casein if you really want)

and it's only 17g more protein per litre comparing to http://www.avonmore.ie/our-range/our-products-milk/avonmore-1-light-milk
what's the price difference?

Alf Veedersane

Another thread on it in Nutrition & Diet:


http://touch.boards.ie/thread/2057215999/1

Darkest Horse

meijin wrote: »

from http://www.avonmore.ie/our-range/our-products-milk/avonmore-protein-milk


so just add whey (and casein if you really want)

and it's only 17g more protein per litre comparing to http://www.avonmore.ie/our-range/our-products-milk/avonmore-1-light-milk
what's the price difference?

That 17g is quite a lot though considering there's 50g in the whole carton.

Blacktie.

meijin wrote: »

so just add whey (and casein if you really want)

Doesn't the whey combine with the casein anyway to slow the digestion of the whey to casein levels?

That 17g is quite a lot though considering there's 50g in the whole carton.

17g is not a lot when you're talking about a whole litre of milk. Your best bet is adding whey to your regular milk.

Darkest Horse

Blacktie. wrote: »

Doesn't the whey combine with the casein anyway to slow the digestion of the whey to casein levels?



17g is not a lot when you're talking about a whole litre of milk. Your best bet is adding whey to your regular milk.

It's like one third of the protein content. That's a lot!

Alf Veedersane

Darkest Horse wrote: »

It's like one third of the protein content. That's a lot!

It's a moot point though, if you can't get it.

So just get some whey online on the likes of MyProtein, BulkPowders, TheProteinWorks etc

Darkest Horse

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

It's a moot point though, if you can't get it.

So just get some whey online on the likes of MyProtein, BulkPowders, TheProteinWorks etc

You're right, I'll have to go down the unflavoured whey route.

papu

conzy wrote: »

You can get 4 litres of low fat milk for €2.80 so thats €0.70 a litre

You can get 2.5kg of unflavoured whey on myprotein for €26.34, and you need 20g of this to raise the protein per litre of the milk to 50g. Which costs €0.21

So you can make your own "protein milk" for €0.91 / litre instead of €1.89

Sums it up
:cool:

Darkest Horse

That's fair enough but I just like it for the sheer convenience rather than messing around with scoops, postage and packing etc. Been there and done it!

Doug Cartel

Avonmore love pushing the gimmicks, don't they? I wonder what they'll come up with next?

conzy

Milk Zero

No Carbs, No Protein, No Fat, Its just white water

Alf Veedersane

Darkest Horse wrote: »

That's fair enough but I just like it for the sheer convenience rather than messing around with scoops, postage and packing etc. Been there and done it!

Put a scoop or two in a shaker in the morning. Have a bottle of water with you if needs be. Leave it in your car or training bag.

Is it really that much hardship?

Darkest Horse

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Put a scoop or two in a shaker in the morning. Have a bottle of water with you if needs be. Leave it in your car or training bag.

Is it really that much hardship?

Not really, but this is more convenient.

Alf Veedersane

Darkest Horse wrote: »

Not really, but this is more convenient.

Not if you can't get it

Darkest Horse

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Not if you can't get it

That's why I'm sad

Mellor

Darkest Horse wrote: »

It's like one third of the protein content. That's a lot!

Compared to regular milk sure, it's a significant increase. But milk isn't really that high in protein to begin with. As a portion of your whole days intake, or in terms of added protein, 17g is not a lot.

Probably about 2/3 of a scoop of whey per litre. Thats tiny. I add 1 scoop to 250ml (4 scoops to a litre), that's 140g protein/litre.
It's a convient post workout drink when you're stuck, but I wouldn't include it as part if my planned regular intake.

It's certainly not worth the mark up. The pricing is crazy when you consider that they are one of the main suppliers of whey protein isolate to supplement companies.

Stench Blossoms

Wow, I didn't think anyone would be really taken in my the 'connivence' of protein milk given that it's got f'all protein in it compared to a scoop of whey.

ted1

i gave it a go just out of interest, it makes my porridge taste different but also gives it a different texture. back to the usual stuff.

Thud

Stench Blossoms wrote: »

Wow, I didn't think anyone would be really taken in my the 'connivence' of protein milk given that it's got f'all protein in it compared to a scoop of whey.

yeah but it's got some gaa playere on the carton so it must be good and the whey is no longer a prohibited substance in gaa

Alf Veedersane

"It's what Henry Shefflin drinks....and he says if I don't drink lots of milk, when I grow up I'll only be good enough to play for Carlow."

"Carlow? Who are they?"

Duck's hoop

I go straight to choc Mooju if I'm down the dairy aisle way.

gazzer

I drink Avonmore Protein milk all the time. Have 2 litres of it a day. Love the stuff.

WHIP IT!

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

"It's what Henry Shefflin drinks....and he says if I don't drink lots of milk, when I grow up I'll only be good enough to play for Carlow."

"Carlow? Who are they?"

"Exactly..."

conzy

gazzer wrote: »

I drink Avonmore Protein milk all the time. Have 2 litres of it a day. Love the stuff.

Its costing you as much as running a 1.4 litre hatchback per year :pac:

Darkest Horse

conzy wrote: »

Its costing you as much as running a 1.4 litre hatchback per year :pac:

Who cares lads. It's his choice (and mine). Why are people's noses so out of joint? Value is a relative term that goes beyond the mere economics of the situation. It is a value proposition to me and I'll keep buying, I don't give a sh1t about the pictures on the front. You'd swear they are using predatory marketing or something. It's aimed at active people so they put a few sports stars on the front. Makes total sense to me.

Alf Veedersane

Darkest Horse wrote: »

Who cares lads. It's his choice (and mine). Why are people's noses so out of joint? Value is a relative term that goes beyond the mere economics of the situation. It is a value proposition to me and I'll keep buying, I don't give a sh1t about the pictures on the front. You'd swear they are using predatory marketing or something. It's aimed at active people so they put a few sports stars on the front? Makes total sense to me.

To be fair, your the only one whose nose seems out of joint.

discus

Darkest Horse wrote: »

Who cares lads. It's his choice (and mine). Why are people's noses so out of joint?

Can't agree more. No one complains about people when they buy all sorts of Under Armour **** for their weekly 5km yog, or when middle age men do the MAMIL for their weekly spin with the boys! But put some GAA imagery on milk and all of a sudden the smart arses are out :pac:

I wonder if CarlowPlayer is reading this thread, I'd say he is both devastated and intrigued...

Alf Veedersane

discus wrote: »

I wonder if CarlowPlayer is reading this thread, I'd say he is both devastated and intrigued...

He's gone to apply for a job over the order in KK

Darkest Horse

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

To be fair, your the only one whose nose seems out of joint.

Thanks for that. Probably because beyond the original subject we seemed to get a raft of answers to questions nobody asked.

Alf Veedersane

Darkest Horse wrote: »

Thanks for that. Probably because beyond the original subject we seemed to get a raft of answers to questions nobody asked.

You asked for alternatives to protein milk in your OP.

Alternatives were suggested but your nose has been put out of joint by them.

Darkest Horse

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

You asked for alternatives to protein milk in your OP.

Alternatives were suggested but your nose has been put out of joint by them.

No problem with suggestions of alternatives. I do have a problem with smart comments about people's choice to buy this product.

Inspector Coptoor

The "alternative" to protein milk in the uk would be just to drink more of regular milk to get the same amount if protein in.

To be "high" in protein, Avon,ore only need to make the protein milk 25% higher in protein than regular milk.

Regular milk comes in at 3.3g/100ml
"Protein" milk comes in at 5.1g/100ml as far as I know, about a 50% increase but it's still a very low amount of protein by percentage.

If you're drinking 1L of protein milk, drink 1.5L of normal milk and make sure you know how many extra calories are in it.

Or, has already been said, buy some unflavoured whey and add it in to regular milk.

Duck's hoop

Darkest Horse wrote: »

Who cares lads. It's his choice (and mine). Why are people's noses so out of joint? Value is a relative term that goes beyond the mere economics of the situation. It is a value proposition to me and I'll keep buying, I don't give a sh1t about the pictures on the front. You'd swear they are using predatory marketing or something. It's aimed at active people so they put a few sports stars on the front. Makes total sense to me.

Agreed. There's billions spent on supplements every year. Many of them spurious. Loads rave about Quest bars on here. There's only 20g protein in there, scoff. Like that's totally a rip. 2 quid for 2/3rds a scoop of whey.

It's not like Avonmore are the first company to jump on a bandwagon to boost sales.

Massive over reaction. If you like it drink it.

brownej

Mellor wrote: »

It's certainly not worth the mark up. The pricing is crazy when you consider that they are one of the main suppliers of whey protein isolate to supplement companies.

Glanbia (Avonmores parent company) don't just supply whey to supplement companies they own Optimum Nutrition and BSN.

Although they are trying to divest themselves of the liquid milk and dairy side of thinks to focus on Ingredients.

Darkest Horse

Inspector Coptoor wrote: »

The "alternative" to protein milk in the uk would be just to drink more of regular milk to get the same amount if protein in.

To be "high" in protein, Avon,ore only need to make the protein milk 25% higher in protein than regular milk.

Regular milk comes in at 3.3g/100ml
"Protein" milk comes in at 5.1g/100ml as far as I know, about a 50% increase but it's still a very low amount of protein by percentage.

If you're drinking 1L of protein milk, drink 1.5L of normal milk and make sure you know how many extra calories are in it.

Or, has already been said, buy some unflavoured whey and add it in to regular milk.

I actually meant alternative brands but that's what I will do. Protein milk is identical cals to low fat milk.

Many thanks

Mellor

Darkest Horse wrote: »

I actually meant alternative brands but that's what I will do. Protein milk is identical cals to low fat milk.

Many thanks

The extra protein should mean its higher in cals. Not massively, maybe 70 cals/litre.

If you can't buy an alternative the closest option would added whey to low fat milk.

Or you could drink extra regular milk. But allow for the extra cals in the extra 500mls.

Also, check the labels on some of the flavoured milk. Sometimes they have added protein too. Mooji is 45g/litre

Darkest Horse

Mellor wrote: »

The extra protein should mean its higher in cals. Not massively, maybe 70 cals/litre.

If you can't buy an alternative the closest option would added whey to low fat milk.

Or you could drink extra regular milk. But allow for the extra cals in the extra 500mls.

Also, check the labels on some of the flavoured milk. Sometimes they have added protein too. Mooji is 45g/litre

As far as I can see they are both 490 cals per 1 litre.

Alf Veedersane

To use Avonmore as an example, whole (Fresh) milk has 64 kcals per 100 ml. 3.3 g of protein. 4.9g sugar

Low fat (light) has 43 kcals and 3.4g protein. 5.0g sugar.

Essien

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

"It's what Henry Shefflin drinks....and he says if I don't drink lots of milk, when I grow up I'll only be good enough to play for Carlow."

"Carlow? Who are they?"

gazzer

conzy wrote: »

Its costing you as much as running a 1.4 litre hatchback per year :pac:

I dont mind. Some days I drink 3 litres (usually gym days).

conzy

gazzer wrote: »

I dont mind. Some days I drink 3 litres (usually gym days).

I was just being a smart arse. If you can afford the tag along calories then milk is a great source of extra protein. I used to drink ~2 gallons a week at one stage.

But its a poor and expensive primary source of protein

Brian

How about chocolate milk, OP? Tesco have a 2 x 750 ml deal for €2.50 this week. From memory it's 70 cal, 4.5g vs 50 cal, 5g of protein milk.

EmptyTree

conzy wrote: »

But its a poor and expensive primary source of protein

I know your post is mostly focusing on protein intake, but I'm a hard gainer and rely on milk a lot (mostly for calories and some protein) - out of interest, what do you think is a cheaper source of protein (and ideally, for me, calories)? Or are you just referring to taking scoops of whey?

conzy

EmptyTree wrote: »

I know your post is mostly focusing on protein intake, but I'm a hard gainer and rely on milk a lot (mostly for calories and some protein) - out of interest, what do you think is a cheaper source of protein (and ideally, for me, calories)? Or are you just referring to taking scoops of whey?

I said milk is a bad primary source of protein. Its ideal for someone in your situation. But imagine your were on 1800 calories a day.

2 litres of milk would provide you with:

1300 calories
72g of fat
94g carbs
64g of protein

You now have 500 calories left for the day, you are starving and you've only put a small dent in your protein requirements for the day.

Even if you went with skim milk

800 calories
110g carbs
80g protein

It has way too many tag along carbs. It is a bad source of protein for most people.

Now if you are bulking or somebody with a high TDEE. You have already put away 2500 calories of chicken, rice, frozen veg, eggs. you have hit your fibre for the day and you still need 1500 calories to finish out your day? Then milk is ideal, delicious, easy to drink a few pints of it and cheap.

Hope that cleared things up

Brian

Do not drink the aforementioned 2x750 ml of chocolate milk in one go.

Man I feel unwell.

LightningBolt

There was a study done in Canada which found chocolate milk to be one of the most effective post-workout drinks/meals. No idea if the research was independent or paid by one of the dairy companies over there.