Modern Catholicism?

karaokeman

Is there such a thing that defies the traditional/outdated ideas (i.e. homophobia and opposition to pre-marital sex) of the original faith?

I consider myself Agnostic, and not belonging to any one organized religion, as I don't know what will happen until I die.

tommy2bad

karaokeman wrote: »

Is there such a thing that defies the traditional/outdated ideas (i.e. homophobia and opposition to pre-marital sex) of the original faith?

I consider myself Agnostic, and not belonging to any one organized religion, as I don't know what will happen until I die.

Ahem, No. Catholicism is definitely against pre marital sex and homophobia, though it's against homosexual acts as well so make of that what you will.
OK I'm being a smart arse but as you are agnostic but wondering about Catholicism I'm going to presume your inquiring because your curious rather than looking to dismiss the whole thing as a fraud. You could look into Anglicanism, their a lot more tolerant of questioning on these topics. BTW a lot of firm Catholics are agnostic in as much as we don't claim to know for certain but rather put our faith in it. And a lot of catholics (deliberate small c)are quite tolerant of pre marriage sex and homosexuality, a la cart is the dismissive. I prefer early adopters myself.

karaokeman

tommy2bad wrote: »

Ahem, No. Catholicism is definitely against pre marital sex and homophobia, though it's against homosexual acts as well so make of that what you will.
OK I'm being a smart arse but as you are agnostic but wondering about Catholicism I'm going to presume your inquiring because your curious rather than looking to dismiss the whole thing as a fraud. You could look into Anglicanism, their a lot more tolerant of questioning on these topics. BTW a lot of firm Catholics are agnostic in as much as we don't claim to know for certain but rather put our faith in it. And a lot of catholics (deliberate small c)are quite tolerant of pre marriage sex and homosexuality, a la cart is the dismissive. I prefer early adopters myself.

You are correct, I am in that frame of mind whereby I'm willing to give Catholicism the benefit of the doubt.

That said, I cannot justify discrimination against the LBGT of any sort be it sexual acts, marriage, whatever, and I say this as a straight man. Its good to know there are Catholics open minded about pre-marital sex, however small the number. Its hugely important for couples to know how compatible they are in bed before making that commitment.

I'll research Anglicanism, thanks.

lazybones32

Yes, it goes by a few names: 'cherry-picking', 'Cafeteria Catholicism', CEO Catholicism (Christmas and Easter Only) and a few others.

Roman Catholicism definitely isn't for you... we're kinda big on the out-dated ideas, or Truth as we sometimes refer to it.

mezuzaj

karaokeman wrote: »

You are correct, I am in that frame of mind whereby I'm willing to give Catholicism the benefit of the doubt.

That said, I cannot justify discrimination against the LBGT of any sort be it sexual acts, marriage, whatever, and I say this as a straight man. Its good to know there are Catholics open minded about pre-marital sex, however small the number. Its hugely important for couples to know how compatible they are in bed before making that commitment.

I'll research Anglicanism, thanks.

You brought up the word Discrimination,.. Not The Catholic Church, The Church has a teaching that enables a person to grow spiritually. Part of that teaching is about how a person acts, Do I slap a person Yes or No.. NO, Do I call person names... No, Do I hate a person,,, No, etc... its a spiritual path many people have traveled. If someone asks should they have sex with a person they have just met,, then the answer from a Catholic Point of view is no. Sex has a purpose. If a person does not like the answer the church gives on a certain teaching (how it ALWAYS comes back to sex...) then so be it. But the Catholic Church is not a supermarket of choices.. Its the Faith that has been passed over the generations and that have been lived by many people. I am the way.. Said Christ.

If you want to find another Christian path.. They there is 20,000 denominations to choose from, each with their own views on sexuality.

hinault

mezuzaj wrote: »

You brought up the word Discrimination,.. Not The Catholic Church, The Church has a teaching that enables a person to grow spiritually. Part of that teaching is about how a person acts, Do I slap a person Yes or No.. NO, Do I call person names... No, Do I hate a person,,, No, etc... its a spiritual path many people have traveled. If someone asks should they have sex with a person they have just met,, then the answer from a Catholic Point of view is no. Sex has a purpose. If a person does not like the answer the church gives on a certain teaching (how it ALWAYS comes back to sex...) then so be it. But the Catholic Church is not a supermarket of choices.. Its the Faith that has been passed over the generations and that have been lived by many people. I am the way.. Said Christ.

If you want to find another Christian path.. They there is 20,000 denominations to choose from, each with their own views on sexuality.

Exactly.

That poster should be able to find one among the 20,000+ denominations to suit his/her own religion.

Mrs OBumble

The Catholic church has changed its mind on issues before, and doubtless will again.

The world being flat is well known. The acceptability of keeping slaves is less well known, but I'd say far more on a par with the issues being discussed here.

Sooner or later, Catholic theology will admit that same-gender sexual attraction is an intrinsic part of how some people are, and that people who are born this way have rights to intimate relationships in the same way that people who have opposite-gender sexual attraction do.

I certainly see it as vastly more sinful for a person to marry an opposite-gender person who they have no sexual attration for, than for a same-gender couple to be in a committed sexual relationship.


OP, unfortunately the answer to your question is "No, not yet". However the way many, many Catholics live in practise is consistent with what you are saying.

Manach

The Church changes but only in line with accepted teaching and biblical interpretation. It is highly unlikely that Catholic teaching will be influenced by the same societal factors on homosexual behaviour. As for the canard about the world being flat as part of Cathilic teaching, that is more in line with 19 th centriy fabrications than historical reality.

mezuzaj

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

The Catholic church has changed its mind on issues before, and doubtless will again.

The world being flat is well known. The acceptability of keeping slaves is less well known, but I'd say far more on a par with the issues being discussed here.

Sooner or later, Catholic theology will admit that same-gender sexual attraction is an intrinsic part of how some people are, and that people who are born this way have rights to intimate relationships in the same way that people who have opposite-gender sexual attraction do.

I certainly see it as vastly more sinful for a person to marry an opposite-gender person who they have no sexual attration for, than for a same-gender couple to be in a committed sexual relationship.


OP, unfortunately the answer to your question is "No, not yet". However the way many, many Catholics live in practise is consistent with what you are saying.

That the world is flat or round was never taught be Christ. There was no dogma about the world being flat or round.

On homosexuality.. (and there is already a LONG thread open here) the Catholic Church says Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Science will tell us that they can't say for sure if its genetic or nurture, or a mixture of both.

No all Men who are attracted to men have the same attraction, some men prefer older men, some younger, and some have attraction to boys.. Society would say its fine to have a relationship with a consenting adult but not with a 14 year old boy. Same as with a Heterosexual man who likes young women. There is a whole spectrum of sexual preferences. And not all are good.

Our Sexuality is one part of our existence and the church as a teaching for those who want to follow it. So until Christ comes again I can't see the teaching changing, not even the Pope has Authority.

However its interesting the number of Gay men who actually live Catholic Teaching and find it very fulfilling, I know of a Friend of mine who for years lived with a Partner. Things didn't work out, and he decided to find another path in life, and got involved in the Parish. Excellent person. Some people find it hard to live a life with nobody to share it with and I can understand and respect that, everyone needs a companion.

Benny_Cake

Mod: I've moved a couple of posts same-sex relationships over to the megathread - one thread should be enough.

c_man

karaokeman wrote: »

Its good to know there are Catholics open minded about pre-marital sex, however small the number. Its hugely important for couples to know how compatible they are in bed before making that commitment.

Big lol there. That is a teaching that will not be watered down and rightfully so.

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karaokeman wrote: »

You are correct, I am in that frame of mind whereby I'm willing to give Catholicism the benefit of the doubt.

That said, I cannot justify discrimination against the LBGT of any sort be it sexual acts, marriage, whatever, and I say this as a straight man. Its good to know there are Catholics open minded about pre-marital sex, however small the number. Its hugely important for couples to know how compatible they are in bed before making that commitment.

s.

How ever did people management before the sexual liberation of the 60's.
No one obviously told me or my wife ...or maybe they're they did and we ignored them, got married and had kids.
My parents were married 50 years and had 6!

One thing strikes me in that you put compatibility in bed as a prerequisite for marriage...surely marriage is about more than sex!

Btw..I'm not RC!