karaokeman wrote: » Is there such a thing that defies the traditional/outdated ideas (i.e. homophobia and opposition to pre-marital sex) of the original faith? I consider myself Agnostic, and not belonging to any one organized religion, as I don't know what will happen until I die.
tommy2bad wrote: » Ahem, No. Catholicism is definitely against pre marital sex and homophobia, though it's against homosexual acts as well so make of that what you will. OK I'm being a smart arse but as you are agnostic but wondering about Catholicism I'm going to presume your inquiring because your curious rather than looking to dismiss the whole thing as a fraud. You could look into Anglicanism, their a lot more tolerant of questioning on these topics. BTW a lot of firm Catholics are agnostic in as much as we don't claim to know for certain but rather put our faith in it. And a lot of catholics (deliberate small c)are quite tolerant of pre marriage sex and homosexuality, a la cart is the dismissive. I prefer early adopters myself.
karaokeman wrote: » You are correct, I am in that frame of mind whereby I'm willing to give Catholicism the benefit of the doubt. That said, I cannot justify discrimination against the LBGT of any sort be it sexual acts, marriage, whatever, and I say this as a straight man. Its good to know there are Catholics open minded about pre-marital sex, however small the number. Its hugely important for couples to know how compatible they are in bed before making that commitment. I'll research Anglicanism, thanks.
mezuzaj wrote: » You brought up the word Discrimination,.. Not The Catholic Church, The Church has a teaching that enables a person to grow spiritually. Part of that teaching is about how a person acts, Do I slap a person Yes or No.. NO, Do I call person names... No, Do I hate a person,,, No, etc... its a spiritual path many people have traveled. If someone asks should they have sex with a person they have just met,, then the answer from a Catholic Point of view is no. Sex has a purpose. If a person does not like the answer the church gives on a certain teaching (how it ALWAYS comes back to sex...) then so be it. But the Catholic Church is not a supermarket of choices.. Its the Faith that has been passed over the generations and that have been lived by many people. I am the way.. Said Christ. If you want to find another Christian path.. They there is 20,000 denominations to choose from, each with their own views on sexuality.
Mrs OBumble wrote: » The Catholic church has changed its mind on issues before, and doubtless will again. The world being flat is well known. The acceptability of keeping slaves is less well known, but I'd say far more on a par with the issues being discussed here. Sooner or later, Catholic theology will admit that same-gender sexual attraction is an intrinsic part of how some people are, and that people who are born this way have rights to intimate relationships in the same way that people who have opposite-gender sexual attraction do. I certainly see it as vastly more sinful for a person to marry an opposite-gender person who they have no sexual attration for, than for a same-gender couple to be in a committed sexual relationship. OP, unfortunately the answer to your question is "No, not yet". However the way many, many Catholics live in practise is consistent with what you are saying.
karaokeman wrote: » Its good to know there are Catholics open minded about pre-marital sex, however small the number. Its hugely important for couples to know how compatible they are in bed before making that commitment.
karaokeman wrote: » You are correct, I am in that frame of mind whereby I'm willing to give Catholicism the benefit of the doubt. That said, I cannot justify discrimination against the LBGT of any sort be it sexual acts, marriage, whatever, and I say this as a straight man. Its good to know there are Catholics open minded about pre-marital sex, however small the number. Its hugely important for couples to know how compatible they are in bed before making that commitment. s.
