Grind School looking for an Intern

byhookorbycrook

A well known Cork grind school has advertised for the following:

"Description:
The intern will gain practical experience in classroom management and supervision, interacting with students one to one, helping with Assistive technology, homework, organisation of material. The intern will receive formal/informal training in the following, teaching typing, and use of Assistive technology such as Inspiration and Dragon Naturally Speaking packages. On completion the intern will have attained skills in working with students with special needs and study skills"."

Opinions?

senteacher

Looks like they are looking for an SNA.

Boeing777

It gets worse. There's a primary school in Meath advertising for a primary school teacher as an intern.

"Description:
The intern will gain practical experience in all aspects of teaching. The intern will receive formal/informal training in the following curriculum development, classroom management, assessment analysis, class planning and evaluation. On completion the intern will have attained skills in self evaluation, pupil assessment, numeracy and literacy strategies."

byhookorbycrook

School in Kerry doing the same.

evolving_doors

Sweet ***** you know the profession has gone down the toilet when they don;t see it worth while to pay a teacher a bloody wage anymore (even SNA's have dodgy contracts as it is but this is taking the proverbial). And the sad thing is that they'll get tons of desperate applications.

I remember back in the day when labourers waited at the crossroads for a van to come and pick ip a few of them to work for the day.. but even they got paid something....

Interns??

If this advertisement is in the public domain could I ask for a link to be posted.

Edit: Well a quick search got this one on jobridge in Meath... HERE

2011abc

There will be a flood of them in August , wait and see.They got away with it last year and far more will be up for a spot of unemployed abuse this time round .Shame on the unions for letting them away with it .

evolving_doors

I presume the school gets joe citizen to pay for their slave this way, is that correct?

rainbowtrout

There's one up for Ballyhea looking for a Class Teacher for a mainstream class. Slave labour.

Isn't that the village that holds the weekly austerity protest march?

vamos!

rainbowtrout wrote: »

There's one up for Ballyhea looking for a Class Teacher for a mainstream class. Slave labour.

Isn't that the village that holds the weekly austerity protest march?

Primary or secondary? I wonder if via paid teacher is a teaching principal who gets some mug to take their classes while they do their paid extra duties. I wonder if interns have to do yard duty or supervison for absent teachers and matches?

rainbowtrout

vamos! wrote: »

Primary or secondary? I wonder if via paid teacher is a teaching principal who gets some mug to take their classes while they do their paid extra duties. I wonder if interns have to do yard duty or supervison for absent teachers and matches?

Primary.

The intern will gain practical experience in teaching. The intern will receive formal/informal training in the following: classroom management, behaviour management, curriculum development, assessment analysis, whole school evaluation and planning. On completion the intern will have attained skills in self evaluation, pupil assessment and numeracy and literacy strategies. The intern will be fully probated by the Department of Education

2011abc

rainbowtrout wrote: »

There's one up for Ballyhea looking for a Class Teacher for a mainstream class. Slave labour.

Isn't that the village that holds the weekly austerity protest march?

Yes , crushingly ironic .You know I think this Ballyhea principal/BOM had an ad up a couple months back ...Maybe they're after another slave .Some schools have got 3,4,5 or even 6 slaves .Caretakers,secretaries , SNAs and 'teachers'. Bizarrely no ads for Slavebridge principals ....

byhookorbycrook

Report each and every one to your union.

Crazyteacher

Usually they are advertised a classroom "assistants" or "library" assistants too. Anything they can get away with they will.

dharma200

make sure they are listed on the scam bridge thread here too.... disgusting.

losullivan

All union members should hound their reps about this.It seems to me that the head honchos would be happy to ignore this exploitation given half a chance. People could also Email the principals advertising this slave labour to register their disgust and let them know you've reported them.Parents also need to know if their children are being educated by 'interns'.No one in their right mind would want their children being educated by someone in this rotten position.

uck51js9zml2yt

I saw a posting on LinkedIn for an intern for a recruitment agenc. Sad thing was that every few days she posted again to see if anyone was interested.
I assume no one was.

byhookorbycrook

"Classroom assistants!"
Tipperary Town http://tinyurl.com/pbvhpq3
Asdee http://tinyurl.com/lggtqff

"General School Assistant" Clones http://tinyurl.com/mkoy9cz
"Primary School Librarian" Cavan http://tinyurl.com/lvopt9v
Actually advertised as a primary teacher vacancy Navan http://tinyurl.com/lxvdj2k

Mardy Bum

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

Actually advertised as a primary teacher vacancy Navan http://tinyurl.com/lxvdj2k

The rest of the vacancies can just about be understood in terms of the lack of qualifications needed. The above one is just taking advantage of NQTs who are desperate.

byhookorbycrook

Teacher for Monaghan
http://tinyurl.com/poeb6j7

Education Requirements:
"Third Level - fully qualified teacher"

Crazyteacher

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

Teacher for Monaghan
http://tinyurl.com/poeb6j7

Education Requirements:
"Third Level - fully qualified teacher"

They advertised last year too.

2011abc

While the unions seem to be turning a blind eye I think any concerned teacher should email,phone or visit these schools to let them know what is felt of their abusive practices .They always claim they are victims of under resourcing and some even try and suggest they're HELPING unemployed people.

evolving_doors

2011abc wrote: »

While the unions seem to be turning a blind eye I think any concerned teacher should email,phone or visit these schools to let them know what is felt of their abusive practices .They always claim they are victims of under resourcing and some even try and suggest they're HELPING unemployed people.

Too true, I just emailed the INTO for what its worth. If its such a good thing then why don't they advertise on educationposts.ie and state its jobbridge wages...
Shur no harm in every school doing it eh, nothing wrong with having 2 people doing the same job, one with full pay and conditions and one next door getting the dole and 50 quid for a few sweeties. Shame on that school.

evolving_doors

At least something being done..although it still doesn't solve the problem of the schools dire need for SNA's
http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/education/schools-disciplined-axing-special-needs-4085684

byhookorbycrook

Schools were slapped across the wrist this week after it emerged they were axing special needs assistants and replacing them with JobBridge interns.

Not the schools who axed SNAs, though.

evolving_doors

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

Schools were slapped across the wrist this week after it emerged they were axing special needs assistants and replacing them with JobBridge interns.

Not the schools who axed SNAs, though.

But the SNA allocation isn't up to the school though. In our gaffe we have to defend every single thing the school/SNA/teacher does to the SENO. It's honestly like a courtroom drama where case by case they try to catch us out ... umpteen times we have to refer to the Epsen act and 2007 guidlines to keep the SNA/resource hours..
Every time SENO ends with "we'll if the student is that bad then they should go to a special school"..so much for the push towards inclusion. Then they ask for the documentation all over again.. then they claim they neve got them..registered letter..then he claims the letter was empty..
Anyway thats my off topic rant...

doc_17

Not entirely unrelated to the jobs bridge exploitation is another little trick private fee paying schools employ in order to reduce their class sizes. A friend dd his dip and was doing his TP in a well known private fee paying school. He had his class groups from the start of the year to the end of the the year. And they were instructed not to tell the students they were a student teacher. The reason for this is fairly obvious, inagine paying 5-10k for the privilege of sending your kid to get "the best eduction" and they end up having 3-4 student teachers. Wouldn't go down well.

But my point is they are using these students to reduce their overall class sizes. Now the school in question didn't just take on 1 or 2 student teachers. They had 20. My mate was teaching 3rd year HL Maths.

evolving_doors

doc_17 wrote: »

Not entirely unrelated to the jobs bridge exploitation is another little trick private fee paying schools employ in order to reduce their class sizes. A friend dd his dip and was doing his TP in a well known private fee paying school. He had his class groups from the start of the year to the end of the the year. And they were instructed not to tell the students they were a student teacher. The reason for this is fairly obvious, inagine paying 5-10k for the privilege of sending your kid to get "the best eduction" and they end up having 3-4 student teachers. Wouldn't go down well.

But my point is they are using these students to reduce their overall class sizes. Now the school in question didn't just take on 1 or 2 student teachers. They had 20. My mate was teaching 3rd year HL Maths.

20!!! sounds like your mate is spinning a yarn there... There is no way the school could keep that under wraps from the students and parents council. There'd be inspectors falling over each other and too much misbehaviour towards teachers unfamiliar with the system...

In my hdip school we had 10 with half timetables for the year (unpaid of course) and that was a bit unusual for the hdip class.

I presume yer mate was in UCD, going on the timetable and location of fee paying schools, ?

20¿¿??? naa , gotta be porkies. That'd be half a staffroom and usually its the same student teacher intake every year so they defo. couldn't get away with it. 20??? jeez theyd save about half a million a year with that amount.

solerina

Armelodie wrote: »

20!!! sounds like your mate is spinning a yarn there... There is no way the school could keep that under wraps from the students and parents council. There'd be inspectors falling over each other and too much misbehaviour towards teachers unfamiliar with the system...

In my hdip school we had 10 with half timetables for the year (unpaid of course) and that was a bit unusual for the hdip class.

I presume yer mate was in UCD, going on the timetable and location of fee paying schools, ?

20¿¿??? naa , gotta be porkies. That'd be half a staffroom and usually its the same student teacher intake every year so they defo. couldn't get away with it. 20??? jeez theyd save about half a million a year with that amount.

I know when I did my dip there were 12 dips in the school at the time and even though the staff wasn't huge we 'blended' in because there were that many dips every year. The first years were almost entirely taught by dip students. So if this particular school uses approx. 20 dips every year then its entirely possible they are getting away with it imo. Not right for the kids but its happening.

doc_17

Armelodie wrote: »

20!!! sounds like your mate is spinning a yarn there... There is no way the school could keep that under wraps from the students and parents council. There'd be inspectors falling over each other and too much misbehaviour towards teachers unfamiliar with the system...

In my hdip school we had 10 with half timetables for the year (unpaid of course) and that was a bit unusual for the hdip class.

I presume yer mate was in UCD, going on the timetable and location of fee paying schools, ?

20¿¿??? naa , gotta be porkies. That'd be half a staffroom and usually its the same student teacher intake every year so they defo. couldn't get away with it. 20??? jeez theyd save about half a million a year with that amount.

I did my Dip in a Galway school with 800 kids. There were 26 Dip Students. I have no reason to think he'd be telling lies. He just isn't that type of fella. He's one of the most down to earth and sensible fellas I know. He doesn't go around spinning yarns everyday.

If it came down to a choice between believing him, or thinking that private fee paying schools wouldn't do such a thing (or get away it), I'd trust the fella who told me. One of the selling points of these schools is their "smaller class sizes" so it stands to reason that they will try to preserve this despite their PTR being increased.

I take you point about the parents council though. But he did his Dip round about the time the government started increasing the PTR to fee paying schools on a harsher basis than other schools. So maybe this was a new initiative aimed at curbing the impact of that and they were chancing their arm to see how it would go.

I have no information whether it is still happening or not. But what I do know is that, according to him and I trust him, it happened when he did his Dip there.

rainbowtrout

I don't think it's a case of saying that your friend is lying, more a case that he may not have been aware of everything going on in the background in the school.

joebloggs32

I did my Dip with 19 others

mirrorwall14

I'm increasingly seeing this in public schools too where DIP students are straight up timetabled for the year and the corresponding reduction in timetable for co-operating teachers doesn't actually exist. However not to the point of 10+ year long DIP students!

doc_17

rainbowtrout wrote: »

I don't think it's a case of saying that your friend is lying, more a case that he may not have been aware of everything going on in the background in the school.

Oh absolutely. However he taught a 3rd year HL Maths class 5 times a week from the start of the year to the end of the year. I suppose all parents who send their children to any school would probably feel that exam students should be taught by fully qualified teachers. And maybe if you're throwing 5k, or whatever it costs, at it you might feel that a little bit stronger.

rainbowtrout

doc_17 wrote: »

Oh absolutely. However he taught a 3rd year HL Maths class 5 times a week from the start of the year to the end of the year. I suppose all parents who send their children to any school would probably feel that exam students should be taught by fully qualified teachers. And maybe if you're throwing 5k, or whatever it costs, at it you might feel that a little bit stronger.

Indeed. My school never gives exam classes to dips. We rarely have more than 1 or 2 per year and they are given classes that are already assigned to a teacher.

We also tend to get the UL ones that are doing block placements. I'd imagine there are plenty of other schools who operate the same

evolving_doors

doc_17 wrote: »

Oh absolutely. However he taught a 3rd year HL Maths class 5 times a week from the start of the year to the end of the year. I suppose all parents who send their children to any school would probably feel that exam students should be taught by fully qualified teachers. And maybe if you're throwing 5k, or whatever it costs, at it you might feel that a little bit stronger.

Ya I'll accept it on face value seeing as others alsohave the same experiences. No different to jobbrodge really I suppose, except no pay at all.

byhookorbycrook

And another school looking for a " class assistant" despite this on the site "
Classroom Assistant


"We at the JobBridge Policy Unit have received communication from both the Department of Education & Science and IMPACT Union to advise that there is no grade or post of Class Room Assistant within the Irish Education system.

In light of this information and advice the recent advertisement for an Internship as a Classroom Assistant cannot continue to be advertised as a JobBridge, National Internship.

Internships are designed to provide real world experience to those looking to explore or gain relevant knowledge and skills to enter that particular career. The primary focus should be to get on the job training and take what has been learned in previous workplace settings, education and training to allow the Intern to move into employment.

As the job/career of a classroom assistant does not exist we cannot allow in good faith internships to take place under this heading. We regret any inconvenience that this may have caused and you may contact the Department of Education & Science or IMPACT if you have any queries."
http://www.jobbridge.ie/notice3.aspx


The ad for the "intern"is below.
http://tinyurl.com/kh724bt

Daisy 55

doc_17 wrote: »

I did my Dip in a Galway school with 800 kids. There were 26 Dip Students. I have no reason to think he'd be telling lies. He just isn't that type of fella. He's one of the most down to earth and sensible fellas I know. He doesn't go around spinning yarns everyday.

If it came down to a choice between believing him, or thinking that private fee paying schools wouldn't do such a thing (or get away it), I'd trust the fella who told me. One of the selling points of these schools is their "smaller class sizes" so it stands to reason that they will try to preserve this despite their PTR being increased.

I take you point about the parents council though. But he did his Dip round about the time the government started increasing the PTR to fee paying schools on a harsher basis than other schools. So maybe this was a new initiative aimed at curbing the impact of that and they were chancing their arm to see how it would go.

I have no information whether it is still happening or not. But what I do know is that, according to him and I trust him, it happened when he did his Dip there.

It was the same story in Galway in the early 90s. So many dips they weren't allowed in the staff room. Two dips would take a maternity leave between them and never see any money!

evolving_doors

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

And another school looking for a " class assistant" despite this on the site "
Classroom Assistant


"We at the JobBridge Policy Unit have received communication from both the Department of Education & Science and IMPACT Union to advise that there is no grade or post of Class Room Assistant within the Irish Education system.

In light of this information and advice the recent advertisement for an Internship as a Classroom Assistant cannot continue to be advertised as a JobBridge, National Internship.

Internships are designed to provide real world experience to those looking to explore or gain relevant knowledge and skills to enter that particular career. The primary focus should be to get on the job training and take what has been learned in previous workplace settings, education and training to allow the Intern to move into employment.

As the job/career of a classroom assistant does not exist we cannot allow in good faith internships to take place under this heading. We regret any inconvenience that this may have caused and you may contact the Department of Education & Science or IMPACT if you have any queries."
http://www.jobbridge.ie/notice3.aspx


The ad for the "intern"is below.
http://tinyurl.com/kh724bt

Do you think they are trying to get it up just long enough to get phone calls? i.e. teachers offering their services free (even if it isn;t through jobsbridge!)

Email INTO folks... They are just taking the proverbial ..

I heard it on Joe Duffy last week and it was a disgrace the way Joe was promoting it.. he had some trades guy saying it was great for schools and the kids. The jobsbridge guys the tradesman takes on he throws them €100 at the end of the week himself (wonder does he declare that!!).

Even had principals defending it!!! one principal intimated that she said to the jobsbridge teacher that they;d keep her in mind if a job came up in the future. Dunno if that's standard procedure to 'promise' someone a position without following a proper interview procedure.

Never again listening to Joe Duffy.. never again.. anyone remember the time when the teachers were on strike, Joe and his show were claiming that all the teachers were queuing in their cars to travel to the north for cheap shopping!

Anyhow... on with the Public vs Private sector straw man argument. When will people be happy?