Dublin v. Tipperary, SHC QF, Semple Stadium, Thurles 4.00 pm

T0001

Is a Leinster Final loss too much for the Dubs or has Tipp's opposition so far been below par?

TouchingVirus

It's not TBC, it's next Sunday in Semple Stadium at 4pm

corny

Really looking forward to this.

Hope we see a reaction from Dublin, they were very disappointing against KK. Forwards might get a bit more of a look in but how well the Dublin backs hold the Tipp forwards will probably decide the game.

grimbergen

I'd give Dublin a huge chance here. Tipp are a nice team when things are going their way and have had two soft-ish qualifiers to get them back in (Galway's full back line marking was dire). If Dublin can bring some physicality especially in the backs they'll have a great chance.

Make no mistake a lot of Tipp people are looking to an all-ireland semi-final, hopefully the payers aren't thinking that way.

68deville

Up front is where DuB have been lacking for a goals,plain ta see,tipp
Can get em and Dub just don't seem have that ability or craft,energy and
Physicality they will bring but won't be enough

fta93

Any sort of Dublin challenge depends on team line up and shape. If we go with the ridiculous set up in 1st half of Leinster final with Dotsy as a sweeper then no chance..

Callinan worries me, especially potentially up against Kelly. Tipp fans, will Callinan start 14?

fta93

Also, anyone, Tipp or Dublin fans, know if there'll be terrace tickets released for general sale? Can only seem to get Old Stand tickets with the club and online.

Hotfail.com

fta93 wrote: »

Also, anyone, Tipp or Dublin fans, know if there'll be terrace tickets released for general sale? Can only seem to get Old Stand tickets with the club and online.

https://secure.tickets.ie/Listing/EventInformation/19719/gaa-hurling-all-ireland-1-4-finals-dub-v-tipp--lim-v-wex-semple-stadium-thurles-27-July-2014

Says down there in "further ticket information" that terrace tickets are not on sale currently, I presume that means they'll be put up for sale during the week.

ch20

Should be a good contest. If tipp sort out the defense, I see tipp winning by less than 3 points.

sjb25

Hotfail.com wrote: »

https://secure.tickets.ie/Listing/EventInformation/19719/gaa-hurling-all-ireland-1-4-finals-dub-v-tipp--lim-v-wex-semple-stadium-thurles-27-July-2014

Says down there in "further ticket information" that terrace tickets are not on sale currently, I presume that means they'll be put up for sale during the week.

There was town end terrace tickets on sale yesterday morning I bought some as you said looks like the other end will go on sale later tickets seem to be selling well

Oasis_Dublin

Donal Óg Cusack was critical of Conal Keaney in the aftermath of the Wexford game, a game Keaney played well in, because he said that Keaney doesn't play well in the big matches. The Leinster Final tended to further advance his argument. If Dublin are to win, Keaney needs to step up to the mark. He can be a great ball winner, and great playmaker, but he needs to actually show us his potential.

I'd have fears for Ryan O'Dwyer also. He's a loose cannon at the best of times, and I'm sure former colleagues of his playing for Tipp will be gunning for him. He could easily put himself in danger of being sent off.

Tipp beat Galway, who put it up to Kilkenny. The Cats annihilated Dublin. As such, it'd be hard to see us winning.

Moneymaker

Oasis_Dublin wrote: »

Donal Óg Cusack was critical of Conal Keaney in the aftermath of the Wexford game, a game Keaney played well in, because he said that Keaney doesn't play well in the big matches. The Leinster Final tended to further advance his argument. If Dublin are to win, Keaney needs to step up to the mark. He can be a great ball winner, and great playmaker, but he needs to actually show us his potential.

I'd have fears for Ryan O'Dwyer also. He's a loose cannon at the best of times, and I'm sure former colleagues of his playing for Tipp will be gunning for him. He could easily put himself in danger of being sent off.

Tipp beat Galway, who put it up to Kilkenny. The Cats annihilated Dublin. As such, it'd be hard to see us winning.

I think he was being extremely harsh on Keaney. He was tremendous against KK in both games and arguably Dublins best player against Cork last year.

I agree about ROD though. As my mother(a Tipp woman!) says, if he was any use he'd have been on the Tipp panel.

circular flexing

Looks like there's only terrace tickets left now? Coming up empty when I look for stand tickets on tickets.ie.

corny

circular flexing wrote: »

Looks like there's only terrace tickets left now? Coming up empty when I look for stand tickets on tickets.ie.

They won't be there for long. If the previous round is anything to go by Wexford will have a huge contingent there and of course Tipp playing at home.

Tipperary animal lover

Just bought 4 town end tickets in super valu €20 a piece

JamieK

Oasis_Dublin wrote: »

Donal Óg Cusack was critical of Conal Keaney in the aftermath of the Wexford game, a game Keaney played well in, because he said that Keaney doesn't play well in the big matches. The Leinster Final tended to further advance his argument. If Dublin are to win, Keaney needs to step up to the mark. He can be a great ball winner, and great playmaker, but he needs to actually show us his potential.

I'd have fears for Ryan O'Dwyer also. He's a loose cannon at the best of times, and I'm sure former colleagues of his playing for Tipp will be gunning for him. He could easily put himself in danger of being sent off.

Tipp beat Galway, who put it up to Kilkenny. The Cats annihilated Dublin. As such, it'd be hard to see us winning.

From a Tipperary point of view I would be nervous of Keaney on Paudie Maher should he play full back. Maher was roasted by Glynn against Galway. I just hope he has learned to play the percentages which is necessary at full back. Getting that sliothar away from that goal and commanding the square are his primary tasks. Not trying to field the ball over somebody taller than him. Truth be told he's one of the best half backs in the country (I may be slightly biased) but our options in full are limited.

Ah comparing a few games can be misleading? Every game takes a life of its own. Approaching this fixture nervously.

OlaPoxka

Bought 3 tickets tonight for the Killinan End Terrace. Will a lot of Dubs travel down for this? If they do then it could be a sell out with Wexford/Tipp/Limerick prob bringing at least 15k each.

Kev T

OlaPoxka wrote: »

Bought 3 tickets tonight for the Killinan End Terrace. Will a lot of Dubs travel down for this? If they do then it could be a sell out with Wexford/Tipp/Limerick prob bringing at least 15k each.

In short, no. We will bring about 1500. There won't be a huge appetite for hurling in the capital until we get to an All-Ireland final.

TouchingVirus

Kev T wrote: »

In short, no. We will bring about 1500. There won't be a huge appetite for hurling in the capital until we get to an All-Ireland final.

It won't be anywhere near the amount we saw for the AI Semi last year or the Leinster final this year but there were more than 1500 Dubs at the Wexford match, I think your figures are a bit too low.

savannahkat

JamieK wrote: »

From a Tipperary point of view I would be nervous of Keaney on Paudie Maher should he play full back. Maher was roasted by Glynn against Galway. I just hope he has learned to play the percentages which is necessary at full back. Getting that sliothar away from that goal and commanding the square are his primary tasks. Not trying to field the ball over somebody taller than him. Truth be told he's one of the best half backs in the country (I may be slightly biased) but our options in full are limited.

Ah comparing a few games can be misleading? Every game takes a life of its own. Approaching this fixture nervously.

A touch of reality there in that post and should the Tipp team and mentors approach the game with the same frame of mind Tipp will have a great chance. If not and they think Dublin will be a push as some pundits believe they will come unstuck. Tipp can win this but they have to be focused for the full 70 minutes.

Mantis Toboggan

I'm expecting a pretty solid display from the dubs. There will be a backlash, make no mistake about that. Defeat for either side will probably see there managers out the door. If tipperary play like they can, they should have too much for the dubs, however an underpar performance which is very possible will see the dubs just get over the line.

auflemin

Kev T wrote: »

In short, no. We will bring about 1500. There won't be a huge appetite for hurling in the capital until we get to an All-Ireland final.

Kev, though am from Tipp, I think we are related. Am concerned enough about this match. I think ye may take us,

citykat

There was very little between the teams in the league. With both teams at full tilt, think Tipp are slightly better. If they underestimate the Dubs it'll be to their peril. Think Dubs need to modify the Leinster final tactics if they're to give themselves a chance. Dubs are solid enough in defence. Their forwards will need to up their game from the LF. If they do, I give them close to evens chance. Keaney is the key man. He was the difference against WX. He had an off day against KK and was taken off too soon IMO ( I wouldn't take him off if he wasn't injured).

auflemin

citykat wrote: »

There was very little between the teams in the league. With both teams at full tilt, think Tipp are slightly better. If they underestimate the Dubs it'll be to their peril. Think Dubs need to modify the Leinster final tactics if they're to give themselves a chance. Dubs are solid enough in defence. Their forwards will need to up their game from the LF. If they do, I give them close to evens chance. Keaney is the key man. He was the difference against WX. He had an off day against KK and was taken off too soon IMO ( I wouldn't take him off if he wasn't injured).

......and that is the reason for my fears for Tipp.

shmeee

What way will Tipp line out?

Barry or Maher Full Back?

Will O'Mahony be fit for a start? Would be a addition if so.

And the same old question, who will line out Midfield, Bergin and Woodlock.

looder

shmeee wrote: »

What way will Tipp line out?

Barry or Maher Full Back?

Will O'Mahony be fit for a start? Would be a addition if so.

And the same old question, who will line out Midfield, Bergin and Woodlock.

Barry's full back, in training with Paudie on the wing.

Grats

looder wrote: »

Barry's full back, in training with Paudie on the wing.

Dublin will be pleased if that's the case.

looder

Grats wrote: »

Dublin will be pleased if that's the case.

As will Tipp. Paudie isn't a first cousin to a full back.

Tipp won't be winning an All Ireland unless the unearth a full back. Maybe Barry can step up. He's not as bad as some think under a high ball.

Mantis Toboggan

There's no way that James Barry will start full back. Conor o mahony will probably play there if he's fit.

Moneymaker

Thought Barry shored up Tipps full back line when he was moved back vs Galway.

Not playing Paudie Maher at 7 is sheer insanity imo.

shmeee

Moneymaker wrote: »

Not playing Paudie Maher at 7 is sheer insanity imo.

One of the best half backs in the country for sure.

Barry looks like the one unless O'Mahony is fit for FB, he's 60/40 at moment, more likely not to play, no decision will be made till late anyway on him.

savannahkat

grimbergen wrote: »

I'd give Dublin a huge chance here. Tipp are a nice team when things are going their way and have had two soft-ish qualifiers to get them back in (Galway's full back line marking was dire). If Dublin can bring some physicality especially in the backs they'll have a great chance.

Make no mistake a lot of Tipp people are looking to an all-ireland semi-final, hopefully the payers aren't thinking that way.

Agreed and 1-9 against Kilkenny is really as Daly said not good enough to win a minor match Putting up a decent score is Dublin's main weakness. The Dub backs are well capable of keeping the Tipp forwards to a reasonable score but upfront unless there is a massive improvement they are not going to cause an upset. Dublin will need all six forwards to contribute and if they do then they may very well finish Tipp off in Thurles, but based on the Kilkenny display by them that is a big if. That wont stop me from shouting for them though.

dirtyden

savannahkat wrote: »

Agreed and 1-9 against Kilkenny is really as Daly said not good enough to win a minor match Putting up a decent score is Dublin's main weakness. The Dub backs are well capable of keeping the Tipp forwards to a reasonable score but upfront unless there is a massive improvement they are not going to cause an upset. Dublin will need all six forwards to contribute and if they do then they may very well finish Tipp off in Thurles, but based on the Kilkenny display by them that is a big if. That wont stop me from shouting for them though.

Tipp's problems at full back so far this year are a worry, but I don't think Dublin are the team to exploit that. I think Bonnar's form this year will be the difference. If he plays well tipp will score goals, he makes the space and we have the finishers. I don't think Dublin will put up a score to beat Tipp, going on their form this year so far. I think a hot day and a fast pitch will suit tipp more also. That said if Dublin can find some form it will be close. Will be interesting to see how Sutcliffe goes if he is back fully fit at this stage. They will certainly need a big game from him.

savannahkat

This should be one of the best games of the year. Dublin beat Wexford and did so in Wexford park and at the end made it look easy enough. While there is a danger that Wexford are being hyper inflated after beating a woefully out of sorts Clare and a poor enough Waterford, Dublin were the real deal when beating them. For some reason they flopped against Kilkenny though with 20 minutes to go they were in with a chance despite their poor play. Callinan, Corbet and McGrath can be held and do not like close attention which Dublin will give them. The Bonner again will become a vital player. Mid field is even enough and as said before it is all going to hinge on how the Dublin forwards perform. Roll on Sunday and here's hoping Dublin bring their hurleys with them this time. It could prove to be one of the games of the year between two fairly physical teams.

Grats

I agree that Dublin's win over Wexford is being overlooked after their "poor" display against Kilkenny. I fully expected Wexford to win that one but the dubs won with ease. Even with an anticipated much improved performance next Sunday from Dublin I do think Tipp will win. The hot conditions and fast pitch shouldn't suit Tipp any better than the Dubs. As was posted, McGrath and Callanan won't like the "attention" from their opponents and might just go missing, again. Tipp most definitely have a problem at full back and indeed a problem with Padraig Maher in my opinion. Whether he plays at full or wing back I think he's still there for the taking.

If Dublin come with hunger and passion they'll make it difficult for Tipp.

shmeee

Tipperary Senior Hurling v Dublin 27/07/2014 in Semple Stadium

1) Darren Gleeson (Portroe)
2) Paddy Stapleton (Borrisoleigh)
3) Paudie Maher (Thurles Sarsfields)
4) Michael Cahill (Thurles Sarsfields)
5) Brendan Maher (Borris-Ileigh)
6) James Barry (Upperchurch-Drombane)
7) Cathal Barrett (HolycrossBallycahill)
8) Kieran Bergin (Killenaule)
9) James Woodlock (Drom& Inch)
10) Gearóid Ryan (Templederry)
11) Patrick Maher (Lorrha-Dorrha)
12) John O’Dwyer (Killenaule)
13) Noel McGrath (LoughmoreCastleiney)
14) Seamus Callanan (Drom and Inch)
15) Lar Corbett (Thurles Sarsfields)

Subs
16) Darragh Egan (Kildangan)
17) Shane Bourke (JK Brackens)
18) Paul Curran (Mullinahone)
19) Jason Forde (Silvermines)
20) Eoin Kelly (Mullinahone)
21) Denis Maher (Thurles Sarsfields)
22) Ronan Maher (Thurles Sarsfields)
23) Shane McGrath (Ballinahinch)
24) Conor O’Brien (Éire ÓgAnnacartyDonohill)
25) John O’Brien (Toomevara)
26) Thomas Stapleton (Templederry)

Grats

Rumours that Paul Curran is back in form and could start. Suggestion of worry over backs?

shmeee

Grats wrote: »

Rumours that Paul Curran is back in form and could start. Suggestion of worry over backs?

If fit he could feature along with O'Mahony but that's doubtful now, word around that the team named mightn't even start as so, players or positions!

Grats

shmeee wrote: »

If fit he could feature along with O'Mahony but that's doubtful now, word around that the team named mightn't even start as so, players or positions!

Is O'Mahony likely to be included?

shmeee

Grats wrote: »

Is O'Mahony likely to be included?

Was kinda 50/50 during week but not mentioned tonight on subs but you'd never know.

Def a re-jig of the way the backs line out will be o the cards at worst.

letowski

dirtyden wrote: »

Tipp's problems at full back so far this year are a worry, but I don't think Dublin are the team to exploit that. I think Bonnar's form this year will be the difference. If he plays well tipp will score goals, he makes the space and we have the finishers. I don't think Dublin will put up a score to beat Tipp, going on their form this year so far. I think a hot day and a fast pitch will suit tipp more also. That said if Dublin can find some form it will be close. Will be interesting to see how Sutcliffe goes if he is back fully fit at this stage. They will certainly need a big game from him.

I'd agree with this. I think Tipperary will win this but not by much. As the season goes on, teams like Dublin find it harder to impose their physicality with the hurling speeding up. Tipp are improving and with home advantage and confidence after the previous two wins, they should have two much firepower for Dublin.

However, I'd still give the Dubs a chance. The absence of Conor O'Mahony means Tipp look at little light from 5-12. Keaney, if given good direct ball (ala Glynn v Galway), could give Maher issues at the edge of the square. McCrabbe can also make things uncomfortable for Barry if on form too.

Bonnor v Rushe should be titanic!

corny

letowski wrote: »

I'd agree with this. I think Tipperary will win this but not by much. As the season goes on, teams like Dublin find it harder to impose their physicality with the hurling speeding up. Tipp are improving and with home advantage and confidence after the previous two wins, they should have two much firepower for Dublin.

However, I'd still give the Dubs a chance. The absence of Conor O'Mahony means Tipp look at little light from 5-12. Keaney, if given good direct ball (ala Glynn v Galway), could give Maher issues at the edge of the square. McCrabbe can also make things uncomfortable for Barry if on form too.

Bonnor v Rushe should be titanic!

I know thats said about Dublin but they really aren't a physical side. In fact their forwards and midfielders were blown away by KK in the physical stakes. Some like McCrabbe were badly blown away. Physically, Tipp would more than hold their own at any time of the year against Dublin.

I heard Daly talking about there was a lot of soul searching as to why Dublin didn't perform but it would have taken me thirty seconds to tell him.:) Keaney and Sutcliffe simply have to win a far greater percentage of the ball that comes their way. Doesn't matter what jersey you wear, if your six forwards are cleaned out you won't win any game.

Grats

letowski wrote: »

I'd agree with this. I think Tipperary will win this but not by much. As the season goes on, teams like Dublin find it harder to impose their physicality with the hurling speeding up. Tipp are improving and with home advantage and confidence after the previous two wins, they should have two much firepower for Dublin.

However, I'd still give the Dubs a chance. The absence of Conor O'Mahony means Tipp look at little light from 5-12. Keaney, if given good direct ball (ala Glynn v Galway), could give Maher issues at the edge of the square. McCrabbe can also make things uncomfortable for Barry if on form too.

Bonnor v Rushe should be titanic!

Home advantage could be the deciding factor in the end, which would be a pity as no team should have an unfair advantage when it comes to knock out.

Keaney and Sutcliffe will be well up for this and I think Rushe will take beating at centre back. Dublin are a fit team and are well capable of staying with Corbett and co!

Volvic12

I was at a challenge game in Gaelic Grounds last week. Dublin were very impressive against Limerick. Looked hungry and their movement was very good. Dublin excellant value for me at 5/2. Will be having some of that.

Grats

Volvic12 wrote: »

I was at a challenge game in Gaelic Grounds last week. Dublin were very impressive against Limerick. Looked hungry and their movement was very good. Dublin excellant value for me at 5/2. Will be having some of that.

Any score from that?

Volvic12

Grats wrote: »

Any score from that?

Couldn't keep track because there was no umpires etc. and I'd no paper to follow either. Dublin definitely won. Was just impressed with work-rate. I feel they have alot to prove to themselves this weekend

Grats

Volvic12 wrote: »

Couldn't keep track because there was no umpires etc. and I'd no paper to follow either. Dublin definitely won. Was just impressed with work-rate. I feel they have alot to prove to themselves this weekend

Interesting, thanks.

hawthorn

Folks anyone know would I be safe in leaving it till Sunday early to get a terrace ticket? I dont want to get one know just in case Im lucky and find someone selling a stand ticket on Sunday?

Are they always genuine tickets if individuals are selling? ie couls you be scammed?

thanks

h

Fireball07

Volvic12 wrote: »

Couldn't keep track because there was no umpires etc. and I'd no paper to follow either. Dublin definitely won. Was just impressed with work-rate. I feel they have alot to prove to themselves this weekend

Was it not a very weak Limerick side though?

Grats

Fireball07 wrote: »

Was it not a very weak Limerick side though?

Why would Limerick put out a very weak side at this stage?

Fireball07

Grats wrote: »

Why would Limerick put out a very weak side at this stage?

I don't know. I'm not even sure if it's true, I wasn't at the match, haven't talked to anyone who was, and I've heard conflicting stories... all I do know for sure is that we lost. Someone told me at work today that Nickie Quaid played outfield... and I'm pretty sure that's not true.


Volvic should be able to confirm if he was at it.