Tri Grand Prix Kilkenny times

noc231073

Anyone else not get times for the above event ....
Not alone did I have a barney with herself for doing the event ... You know the usual always training etc....
But then go and and not get any time at all ...
And also the times other people have done seem to be all over the shop..with this no race zone

iwillhtfu

I got an overall time but my splits are all over the shop.

It was always going to be the case with the non race zone.

It's early days though so everyone will probably get a time eventually.

noc231073

iwillhtfu wrote: »

I got an overall time but my splits are all over the shop.

It was always going to be the case with the non race zone.

It's early days though so everyone will probably get a time eventually.

The splits are defo all over the shop
Eoin molloy won it but his splits don't add up at all

Turtle001

If you search specifically for your name using the search on the page it may come up - it did for mine whne I couldn't in the overall results.

When you go into your specific results, look in the split times for the run and it'll show your overall time.

Agree on the times being a bit all over the place as it is not clear what happened in transition e.g. I time my run as 52 mins however my result is showing 1:01.

Also one guy I met said that the swim was 1200 metres on his garmin however I didn't speak to anyone else with such fancy technology

noc231073

Turtle001 wrote: »

If you search specifically for your name using the search on the page it may come up - it did for mine whne I couldn't in the overall results.

When you go into your specific results, look in the split times for the run and it'll show your overall time.

Agree on the times being a bit all over the place as it is not clear what happened in transition e.g. I time my run as 52 mins however my result is showing 1:01.

Also one guy I met said that the swim was 1200 metres on his garmin however I didn't speak to anyone else with such fancy technology

It not coming up on the search for my name or bib number Nothing..

The question as well is on my garmin for the bike I started it on the timing may at the race start may ie: after the no race zone .. And stopped coming back in .. As I was doing the sprint .. It says 17.9 km ... The winning sprint bike time was 36 mins ... For 17.9 km that's way off ...
I just can't make sense of the times at all ...

aidanor

My time is also off, no bike time and a combined bike and run time, from what i can see the splits include transition and overall time doesnt... but my time is including transitions.. i mailed them but prob wont get a reply..

Slothy

The times are all over the place, and no transition times. My swim is right though as i timed it. The cycle and runs are totally wrong.
If they dont fix the output and post proper times with transitions, it's a total waste of time and money doing this event. Very disappointing.

noc231073

Slothy wrote: »

The times are all over the place, and no transition times. My swim is right though as i timed it. The cycle and runs are totally wrong.
If they dont fix the output and post proper times with transitions, it's a total waste of time and money doing this event. Very disappointing.

I totally agree , I have no time what so ever as had to do the race with no watch as I forgot it ...
It is really disappointing ... A lot of the enjoyment of any race is dissecting your times and comparing to everyone else ...

AnswerIs42

My times have been updated since yesterday. Dropped from and hour 5 mins run to 56 min but the overall time stayed the same.

Still no transition times though

aidanor

just checked and my time for the run has changed but no bike time and the total is still wrong! bit of a disappointment as it was my first olympic and would have liked to see how i did..

iwillhtfu

I just checked again there now.

Everything seems to be in order now. Overall time is the same and bang on time for my watch. I'd say they subtracted the dead zone times and just didn't remove the dead zone times from the first published split times.

Happy enough now its been cleared up but I'll be out running after this post. Glacial springs to mind.

Still not a fan of the route or lack of a mat/carpet from river to transition plus the tourists on the stairwell didn't help matters.

The dead zone while ridiculous was probably required as I got caught behind an artic turning at roundabout and a few lunatics shooting up the inside. Did they not realise the clock was off??

If used correctly the dead zone provided a break for the legs coming into t2 although it was odd slowing on the bike and a slow jog into t2. I think for the competitive end of the field this will be a bit of a shambles but as there's no winner etc prizes/points it's only bragging rights that will take a hit.

The swim was honest imo as there was little to no flow I found.

Bike was the usual craic effort on the way out and boot down on the way back.

Run route is actually very good IMO with the exception of the slippery cobbles, not as bad this year as last year.

I know a lot of folks don't like the commercial side of this event but the proceeds went towards a good cause this year and you'll be hard pressed to come across a more scenic transition.

Nice to laze about in the castle gardens after as well.

Hopefully next year they sort out the bike route. Otherwise an enjoyable event.

noc231073

Yes seems to have been sorted out now , maybe they should have held back posting times until the were correct ... Save all the bad press ..

Ceepo

iwillhtfu wrote: »

I know a lot of folks don't like the commercial side of this event but the proceeds went towards a good cause this year.

Are you sure about that. As far as I am aware the proceeds are going to the commercial organiser.

There is NO excuse for not giving out prizes. No what so ever. They got some stick last year for only giving out 1st place. So I guess they went one better this year. Shame in them

The Cycle Against Suicide is a separate event altogether. Race partner does not mean that proceeds are going to them.,

iwillhtfu

AFAIK all proceeds went towards CAS.

If the proceeds are going towards a charity then that's a perfectly valid excuse for not giving out prizes IMO. They did give out spot prizes although I'm sure these were only a token prize.

I guess by the race pack and limited food after not much money was spent on extras.

They advertised from the start that there were no prizes so if it upset folks in contention I'm sure they didn't take part. If they did then they shouldn't be complaining.

Most folks were taking part for a PB or a sense of achievement.

If not winning prizes is an issue perhaps this race isn't for you.

Ceepo

iwillhtfu wrote: »

AFAIK all proceeds went towards CAS.

If the proceeds are going towards a charity then that's a perfectly valid excuse for not giving out prizes IMO. They did give out spot prizes although I'm sure these were only a token prize.

I guess by the race pack and limited food after not much money was spent on extras.

They advertised from the start that there were no prizes so if it upset folks in contention I'm sure they didn't take part. If they did then they shouldn't be complaining.

Most folks were taking part for a PB or a sense of achievement.

If not winning prizes is an issue perhaps this race isn't for you.

If it was a charity even, then there is no issue with with prizes, but as i said this IS not a charity event, it is a commercial event, that has a race partner namely CAS, any money raise from the CAS event im sure went to the cause and i would say a very worthy cause,

Re prizes, first of i would never be in a poisition to win a prize anyway, so it isnt an issue for me, but i didnt do this race because i would not support any race that is not " serious about athlete care" There words.

I have been involved in Athletics and Triathlon for nearly 20 years and have done loads of charity events over the years, all for great causes. Most of these if not all would have gave something to the winners.

iwillhtfu

I guess this one isn't for you so you're obviously strongly opposed to it and the fact it's a commercial enterprise. Similar to IM I guess but without the stature or the goodies.

I know at least 4 people that enjoyed themselves. I now know at least one that didnt.

Ceepo

iwillhtfu wrote: »

I guess this one isn't for you so you're obviously strongly opposed to it and the fact it's a commercial enterprise. Similar to IM I guess but without the stature or the goodies.

I know at least 4 people that enjoyed themselves. I now know at least one that didnt.

Cant compare this event to IM brand event, different league altgether..

As i said i didnt do this so the quesion of enjoinig it never arose.

Happy for everyone who did

Just to add i have no problem with commercial events,

AnswerIs42

The biggest problem I think was the run from the river to T1. Surely they should be able to find old bits of carpet or mats to put down so we are not running on slipply steps and stones

Ceepo

AnswerIs42 wrote: »

The biggest problem I think was the run from the river to T1. Surely they should be able to find old bits of carpet or mats to put down so we are not running on slipply steps and stones

Did you not put on runners at the swim exit ?

Might be a help

aidanor

has there any photos posted online at all of the event?

AnswerIs42

Ceepo wrote: »

Did you not put on runners at the swim exit ?

Might be a help

I didn't know you were allowed to do that.

Given the run is so long, its worth the 10 secs to put them on. Must remember it for next year

tunney

AnswerIs42 wrote: »

I didn't know you were allowed to do that.

Given the run is so long, its worth the 10 secs to put them on. Must remember it for next year

You are not. Its a DQable offense

stevire

tunney wrote: »

You are not. Its a DQable offense

DQable offence for a non-TI race?

tunney

stevire wrote: »

DQable offence for a non-TI race?

oh is it non-TI? then depends on the rules of the organiser. so i doubt its an issue.

Sounds like a great quality race

boodiebhoy

I did sprint event for second time this year. While the atmosphere was great The whole event lacked a race feel. It was more like 3 separate events than a triathlon. I think they are in danger of killing it altogether tbh. With no prizes (not that I need to worry about that) it won't attract the top competitors and with no transition timing it is in danger of losing those like myself who are competing against last year times to see if we are progressing. It might remain attractive to people crossing off a bucket list but there are better races to go to for that.

Oldlegs

boodiebhoy wrote: »

I did sprint event for second time this year. While the atmosphere was great The whole event lacked a race feel. It was more like 3 separate events than a triathlon. I think they are in danger of killing it altogether tbh. With no prizes (not that I need to worry about that) it won't attract the top competitors and with no transition timing it is in danger of losing those like myself who are competing against last year times to see if we are progressing. It might remain attractive to people crossing off a bucket list but there are better races to go to for that.

This is my 3rd year doing this event and we all had a great weekend - as much about Kilkenny as the event itself.

I am in the similar boat as you - lack of prizes are not an issue for me - but if they are not delivering high quality for the top guys that does filter down with the overall approach.

Very large number of marshals/support in in the water which was great to see. Marshals on the cycle were not really sure where the timing after after the cycle restarted.

The messing around with the no-race zone, did impact the overall race feeling.

They could/should have had the no-race timing from the exit/entrance of the park rather than neutralise the whole transition Still had a great day out, but would be worried that they are missing the opportunity to host a really impressive event that delivers at the top of the field and through to the rest of us.

This year was not as good as the previous years. That said - still hope to be back to an improved event next year.

Daz1214

I believe the dead zone was garda enforced due to the fact that the ring road is the route into kilkenny that all the waterford and wexford fans were using to get to nolan park, the traffic volume would have been too great to close sections of the road and that was the compromise that was agreed

iwillhtfu

It was definitely garda enforced there was a representative explaining the reasons before hand. I wonder why they didn't arrange it on an alternative weekend although that ring road is quite busy anyway.

EC1000

Not sure what the attraction is with this event? I'd be extremely reluctant to do a race in Ireland that was not TI sanctioned in some form. Not because I think TI is perfect (or even close) but the only way to at least try to have a coordinated calendar is for the NGB to be involved in race sanctioning. Also, when it is TI sanctioned, you at least know that there is some level of safety oversight in advance........ no sanctioning means no accountability.

Oldlegs

EC1000 wrote: »

Not sure what the attraction is with this event?

Kilkenny - which makes for a nice weekend away.
Great Location
Great transition zone which is excellent for supporters
Nice swim
(I also like the run up from the swim - bit others not so keen)
Great run
(Nothing great to say about the cycle)
Well organised.
Did I mention Kilkenny.

EC1000

Oldlegs wrote: »

Kilkenny - which makes for a nice weekend away.
Great Location
Great transition zone which is excellent for supporters
Nice swim
(I also like the run up from the swim - bit others not so keen)
Great run
(Nothing great to say about the cycle)
Well organised.
Did I mention Kilkenny.

Think you missed my point.

As an aside - just checked out the website and TI members had to buy additional insurance to do this event?

Shedite27

EC1000 wrote: »

Not sure what the attraction is with this event?

There's also the cost. For a non-TI member, At €45 for an Olympic triathlon, it's a lot cheaper than similar events like TriAthy or DCT (both €72.50)

Oldlegs

EC1000 wrote: »

Think you missed my point.

As an aside - just checked out the website and TI members had to buy additional insurance to do this event?

Didn't miss any of you point.

You asked what the attraction was - I give you a few. 1,000+ participants would also appear to agree.

As for your other point about scheduling of events - not sure that was any clash with other triathlons elsewhere.

TI ODL is €15 - the insurance for Kilkenny was an extra €5. So yes - my TI licence did not provide coverage, but for a lot more people it was a cheaper option.

EC1000

Shedite27 wrote: »

There's also the cost. For a non-TI member, At €45 for an Olympic triathlon, it's a lot cheaper than similar events like TriAthy or DCT (both €72.50)

Hmmmm 50 euro for Kilkenny when the additional 5 euro insurance is paid. Athy wasn't 72.50 for me anyway. I paid 57.50 incl booking fee this year. Thats only 7.50 of a difference. Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against this event/location in particular. I've never done it nor been at it and Kilkenny is a lovely city. Just have to ask the question why a potentially mass market event like this would be outside the TI umbrella?

Shedite27

EC1000 wrote: »

Hmmmm 50 euro for Kilkenny when the additional 5 euro insurance is paid. Athy wasn't 72.50 for me anyway. I paid 57.50 incl booking fee this year. Thats only 7.50 of a difference.

As I said, I was quoting for non-TI members (which there are quite a few)

Kilkenny €40 + €5 insurance = €45
Athy/DCT - €57.50 + €15 ODL = €72.50

Difference of €27.50

EC1000 wrote: »

Just have to ask the question why a potentially mass market event like this would be outside the TI umbrella?

YEah I'm not sure from an organisers point of view what the benefits of TI sanction are. Anyone know? I presume TI want money for the priviledge. Kilkenny was/is a series of European events, so maybe they felt they didn't need whatever expertise/services TI were providing.

As an aside, a ODL costs €15, insurance costs €5, is the other €10 going towards just the general running of the sport in Ireland?

tunney

Shedite27 wrote: »

There's also the cost. For a non-TI member, At €45 for an Olympic triathlon, it's a lot cheaper than similar events like TriAthy or DCT (both €72.50)

DCT is 72 euro for an olympic?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! that cannot be right????

last time I did it it was 40 something

tunney

But this race has seemed like a total face every year?

Traffic on bike, jokey times, cheating on run course, terrible transitions.

Shedite27

tunney wrote: »

Traffic on bike.

I've never done this race but they were unlucky the last two years, this year with the hurling announced at a weeks notice, and last year with Bruce Springsteen playing there the same day (again announced after the Tri)

EC1000

Shedite27 wrote: »

As an aside, a ODL costs €15, insurance costs €5, is the other €10 going towards just the general running of the sport in Ireland?

Ah here.... you cant just say insurance cost is 5 euro and the rest is the cream. What is the level of cover underwritten in Kilkenny versus the level underwritten by a ODL? I doubt they are comparable (have no idea though). When you know this, it is then possible to query if the higher cost is justifiable or not. It is probably fair to say that there is some margin on top of the insurance cost but there is also an administrative burden to pay for also.

tunney

Shedite27 wrote: »

I've never done this race but they were unlucky the last two years, this year with the hurling announced at a weeks notice, and last year with Bruce Springsteen playing there the same day (again announced after the Tri)

So what you are saying is the bike route was poorly chosen?

Pm1e

Really surprised at the negativity around this event, I took part this year for the first time and loved it.

I can find flaws in plenty of areas but why bother, I am not a professional athlete and neither are most of you. In fact, one can find flaw in most races, for example I think the run in Athy's ankle length grass is a joke. But so what.

The vibe at KK was awesome. The 'feel good' stories that we heard from those coming through finish created a great buzz. I loved the swim (I clocked 9:57 for the Sprint) and the cycle was nice and flat. Yes the no race zone didnt help timing matters but so be it. All I hear and see when I read the comments on this thread is a bunch of me feiners having a whine.

I say well dont to the organisers and those who went out and enjoyed it, to the rest. Get a life

tunney

Pm1e wrote: »

Really surprised at the negativity around this event, I took part this year for the first time and loved it.

I can find flaws in plenty of areas but why bother, I am not a professional athlete and neither are most of you. In fact, one can find flaw in most races, for example I think the run in Athy's ankle length grass is a joke. But so what.

The vibe at KK was awesome. The 'feel good' stories that we heard from those coming through finish created a great buzz. I loved the swim (I clocked 9:57 for the Sprint) and the cycle was nice and flat. Yes the no race zone didnt help timing matters but so be it. All I hear and see when I read the comments on this thread is a bunch of me feiners having a whine.

I say well dont to the organisers and those who went out and enjoyed it, to the rest. Get a life

Going to guess you're very very new to triathlon?

Oldlegs

tunney wrote: »

But this race has seemed like a total face every year?

Traffic on bike, jokey times, cheating on run course, terrible transitions.

Done this race for the last 3 years. Yeah there were some issues, but defo nothing major. Good event, great buzz about the place and Kilkenny is a great spot to weekend.

Expect to be back next year again irrespestive of whether there is a Bruce Concert, Hurling match, or God forbid - a Garth Brooks 5-nighter :eek:

Pm1e

tunney wrote: »

Going to guess you're very very new to triathlon?

Whys that? do I have to be disgruntled and take myself overly serious to have been in it for a while

tunney

Pm1e wrote: »

Whys that? do I have to be disgruntled and take myself overly serious to have been in it for a while

The newer the person is to the sport the more rose tinted the glasses. Its not about taking yourself seriously but rather experience of how races should be run, something you only get by being around a while and getting experience of many races.

Pm1e

tunney wrote: »

The newer the person is to the sport the more rose tinted the glasses. Its not about taking yourself seriously but rather experience of how races should be run, something you only get by being around a while and getting experience of many races.

well this is my 3rd year and yes I would consider myself new to it all. I have been involved at the highest level in other sports and do know how events are to be run (albeit each sport is different) but I just don't see why there needs to be such a whoopla around how this was or wasn't done right, anyway I guess I'll figure it all out.

trailrunner

Agree with Pm1e here. I'm racing six year now, done kilkenny three times, olly last year and this, will be back next year to. I think it's its a great race.
Some people round here need to remind themselves of the true meaning of the word "sport" !! Stop the whining and bitching.

tunney

trailrunner wrote: »

Agree with Pm1e here. I'm racing six year now, done kilkenny three times, olly last year and this, will be back next year to. I think it's its a great race.
Some people round here need to remind themselves of the true meaning of the word "sport" !! Stop the whining and bitching.

The "winner" spent ten minutes stretching in transition. Amazingly that wasnt included in his time as they didn't include transition times. ...

now tell me that definition of sport again please.

I've also done this race before and never gone back

trailrunner

Here you go

"an individual or group activity pursued for exercise or pleasure, often involving the testing of physical capabilities and taking the form of a competitive game such as football, tennis, etc"

Oryx

This race was TI sanctioned last year. I would wonder if a race that cuts prizes and doesn't come under the TI umbrella is really being run for the athletes at all? This is still run by a private company right?

Pm1e

tunney wrote: »

The "winner" spent ten minutes stretching in transition. Amazingly that wasnt included in his time as they didn't include transition times. ...

now tell me that definition of sport again please.

I've also done this race before and never gone back

if he wanted to game it that way then that's his business and shame on him. Be aware that you are essentially insulting those who did this race for the first time ever, did it for a reason etc. with your criticism. I swam many a national event as a young lad and I can tell you I took them all less serious than people are in here taking tri as amateurs. come on lads chill