General FPL Chat 2014/15 MOD WARNING POST 1839

CSF

roryc wrote: »

Yep, people are getting massively confused here. Young playing as a wing back is bad for FF. Not good. Bad.

Exactly, I want defenders who are actually midfielders, like Bale in the past, not viceversa, like Young.

I want midfielders who are actually pretty much strikers, like Michu in the past, not viceversa, like Bojan.

Both Young and Bojan would be great opinions if they were categorised in the position they are most likely to play. But they're not, and they miss out on those precious points accordingly.

Backstreet Moyes

CSF wrote: »

I can't get my head around the logic here, Young wouldn't have made my team last year had he been starting as a winger at that price, now he's a fullback and people are creaming themselves.

What is this sorcery?

Young was awful going into last year and would not have been playing regularly.

He has been very good pre season in a wing back role for going forward scoring and assisting. United should score a few goals in the opening games and he should start the first few games. For 5.5 for a United regular he is worth a punt in the first few weeks if you want him.

CSF

Nuts102 wrote: »

Young was awful going into last year and would not have been playing regularly.

He has been very good pre season in a wing back role for going forward scoring and assisting. United should score a few goals in the opening games and he should start the first few games. For 5.5 for a United regular he is worth a punt in the first few weeks if you want him.

But he is unlikely to score a few goals in the opening games because he is playing in defence. Don't let the massively more open pre-season games confuse you on that. Swansea and Sunderland won't be set up anything like the teams United played in pre-season.

For all the hype about Coleman, and he did great last season, he only scored 6 goals last season from that position. On what basis are you expecting Young to exceed that by enough to make the precious midfield space he is taking worth it?

MagicIRL

CSF wrote: »

But he is unlikely to score a few goals in the opening games because he is playing in defence. Don't let the massively more open pre-season games confuse you on that. Swansea and Sunderland won't be set up anything like the teams United played in pre-season.

For all the hype about Coleman, and he did great last season, he only scored 6 goals last season from that position. On what basis are you expecting Young to exceed that by enough to make the precious midfield space he is taking worth it?

It could be argued that pinging balls in to Rooney, RVP, Mata etc is a better chance of a goal than aiming for Lukaku.

CSF

MagicIRL wrote: »

It could be argued that pinging balls in to Rooney, RVP, Mata etc is a better chance of a goal than aiming for Lukaku.

It could also be argued that Coleman is an immensely better and more dangerous player than Young. Where's your point?

Dearg81

Arnold Tanzarian wrote: »

HAHA Shaw is injured for the first month of the league man so hes hardly any value at 6.0 now is he !! Look all im saying is hes a nailed on starter since shaw is injured, united are more thank likely going to win defo 5/ their first 6 games and the boy is playin out of his skin in pre season. Makes sense to me and in my eyes hes great value considering. If you dont agree thats fine too. I will more than likely sub young out once the first 6 games of the season have been played by the way

I know he's injured. My point is that united defenders(when they're fit obviously) who play wing backs and are similarly priced to Young are better options and I haven't heard one person calling them steals.

MagicIRL

CSF wrote: »

It could also be argued that Coleman is an immensely better and more dangerous player than Young. Where's your point?

My point is outlined in the post you quoted. Stop being so antagonistic.

CSF

MagicIRL wrote: »

My point is outlined in the post you quoted. Stop being so antagonistic.

Your point is that there are other good players on his team though, so why not go with a good player playing in an attacking position from his team who actually gets their correct points to capitalise on that?

Glock Lesnar

When UTD playing teams outside the top 6 like they will be for the first few weeks of the season the wing backs will play very high up the pitch, Young will have plenty of attacking chances and I think he's worth it at 5.5 because he'll shoot up in price if he grabs a goal or an assist, he's a good player, he wants to prove himself and he's in form.

CSF

Glock Lesnar wrote: »

When UTD playing teams outside the top 6 like they will be for the first few weeks of the season the wing backs will play very high up the pitch, Young will have plenty of attacking chances and I think he's worth it at 5.5 because he'll shoot up in price if he grabs a goal or an assist, he's a good player, he wants to prove himself and he's in form.

High up the pitch, but not as high up the pitch as a midfielder.

And I can't agree with this notion that he is a good player, he has been awful for a number of years, a good pre-season shouldn't take away from that.

Pre-season doesn't count for that much at all, Its just good for knowing how teams are likely to line up.

SpaceCowb0y

OneColdHand wrote: »

Yeah it's always hand to have 0.5 or 1.0 in the bank so you can easily transfer in whoever rips it up in GW1.

Have you posted up your team recently, out of interest?

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De Gea

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--Terry

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Pieters

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Van Aanholt--

Fabregas--Ramsey--Mata--Sigurdsson

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SUBS: Gilks, Taylor, Moore, King(could be any £4.5 mid)

Overall i'm happy with things but the Hazard/Fabregas and Sturridge/Costa choices are doing my head in. Money is not a problem with either moves as i've money in the bank and more than happy to change Jelavic to either Fletcher/Bojan etc to free up an extra .5 also.

Sooner things kick off for better or worse i'll be all the better for it myself! I usually WC at the international break anyway. Had a **** start to last season though and found it tough to catch up so hoping for a better start this year.

Dearg81

Glock Lesnar wrote: »

When UTD playing teams outside the top 6 like they will be for the first few weeks of the season the wing backs will play very high up the pitch, Young will have plenty of attacking chances and I think he's worth it at 5.5 because he'll shoot up in price if he grabs a goal or an assist, he's a good player, he wants to prove himself and he's in form.

Who's uniteds other wing back? If he's not a midfielder just pick him.

CSF

Dearg81 wrote: »

Who's uniteds other wing back? If he's not a midfielder just pick him.

Exactly!!!

Swiper the fox

Is there a precedent for a player playing in a more defensive position than FPL have awarded him proving to be good value. You are losing one of your midfielders for 5.5m which is enough to buy a premium defender (wing back if you want) who will get 4 points for a clean sheet. I'm baffled as to how this could be sensible. As well as this who is genuinely confident that Young will start every week??

Lucas Hood

Oviedo was down as midfielder last season was he not? Got a few games when Baines was injured I believe.

MarkSRFC21

FunLover18 wrote: »

Lukaku, Koschielny, and Coleman all doubtful (75%) risk em or transfer. My bench is solid at best.

What are Remy's chances of playing against Hull?

I'd say close to 100%

CSF

Lucas Hood wrote: »

Oviedo was down as midfielder last season was he not? Got a few games when Baines was injured I believe.

Yeah, he was peoples 4.4 cheapie though right?

Arnold Tanzarian

CSF wrote: »

But he is unlikely to score a few goals in the opening games because he is playing in defence. Don't let the massively more open pre-season games confuse you on that. Swansea and Sunderland won't be set up anything like the teams United played in pre-season.

For all the hype about Coleman, and he did great last season, he only scored 6 goals last season from that position. On what basis are you expecting Young to exceed that by enough to make the precious midfield space he is taking worth it?

Here, its pretty obvious you havent an actual clue about united's formation. Young is basically going to operate as a LM , LWB (hardly any defensive duties) when defending, he will be their only outlet on the wing, they will depend on him to dominate that side of the field and he has delivered massively in pre season against quality opposition such as roma, inter and real madrid so yeah in my opinion a guy who is gauranteed to start the first month at a club like united with those fixtures are so easy is quite brilliant value actually at 5.5! Anyone who does not agree thats ok - just watch him rake me in those points in the first 6 gameweeks, while i transfer him back out after those games !

You are comparing him with coleman !?!? a guy who plays as a rigid Full back in a 433 with another winger in front of him!? Coleman is part of a defensive united , a back 4 , he has huge ability and pace , thats what gets him into attacking positions, not the position he actually plays. Young will play in a 3-4-1-2 formation , occupying the left flank, with little defensive responsibilty. Just informing you there on some basics about formations mate so ya know for future

CSF

Arnold Tanzarian wrote: »

Here, its pretty obvious you havent an actual clue about united's formation. Young is basically going to operate as a LM , LWB (hardly any defensive duties) when defending, he will be their only outlet on the wing, they will depend on him to dominate that side of the field and he has delivered massively in pre season against quality opposition such as roma, inter and real madrid so yeah in my opinion a guy who is gauranteed to start the first month at a club like united with those fixtures are so easy is quite brilliant value actually at 5.5! Anyone who does not agree thats ok - just watch him rake me in those points in the first 6 gameweeks, while i transfer him back out after those games !

You are comparing him with coleman !?!? a guy who plays as a rigid Full back in a 433 with another winger in front of him!? Coleman is part of a defensive united , a back 4 , he has huge ability and pace , thats what gets him into attacking positions, not the position he actually plays. Young will play in a 3-4-1-2 formation , occupying the left flank, with little defensive responsibilty. Just informing you there on some basics about formations mate so ya know for future

Saying a LWB is the same as a LM is one of the most laughable things I've heard on this forum.

If you're going to post in a condescending manner at least say things that aren't completely stupid.

Lucas Hood

CSF wrote: »

Yeah, he was peoples 4.4 cheapie though right?

Yeah he was cheaper alright. Scored a couple of goals too.

CSF

CSF wrote: »

Saying a LWB is the same as a LM is one of the most laughable things I've heard on this forum.

If you're going to post in a condescending manner at least say things that aren't completely stupid.

Also it's not a good thing to come onto a forum of this standard talking the Johnny big balls talk with a finish outside the top 1.5 million last year.

Get good at the game, then talk the ****e.

Arnold Tanzarian

CSF wrote: »

Saying a LWB is the same as a LM is one of the most laughable things I've heard on this forum.

If you're going to post in a condescending manner at least say things that aren't completely stupid.

Comparing Coleman an orthodox RB who plays with someone ahead of him is one to Ashley Young in uniteds formation is one of the most laughable things Iv read on this forum.

When united defend Young has little responsibility , there are 3 solid centre halfs for that , he merely tucks back into a LWB position. When united attack he is a LM - as high up the field as Mata most of the time. Is that clearer for you bro? x

CSF

Lucas Hood wrote: »

Yeah he was cheaper alright. Scored a couple of goals too.

That's grand though because of the role he plays at that price. Akin to what people are considering in Isgrove, Albrighton this year.

Young is too expensive to play that role.

Arnold Tanzarian

CSF wrote: »

Also it's not a good thing to come onto a forum of this standard talking the Johnny big balls talk with a finish outside the top 1.5 million last year.

Get good at the game, then talk the ****e.

I didnt play last year , had a serious illness from Jan- april so was unable to do pretty much anything.

MarkSRFC21

Any advice for this team.

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Howard

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Gibbs

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lovren

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felipe luis

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debuchy

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coutinho

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fabregas

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Ramsey

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Henderson

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Costa

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Rooney

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Subs- krul ----bojan

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Bruce

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besic


Who should be my captain and any changes I should make?

CSF

Arnold Tanzarian wrote: »

I didnt play last year , had a serious illness from Jan- april so was unable to do pretty much anything.

You're aware that I can see where you finished the last 8 years and know you're in no position to be condescending about anything FF related.........right?

Lucas Hood

CSF wrote: »

That's grand though because of the role he plays at that price. Akin to what people are considering in Isgrove, Albrighton this year.

Young is too expensive to play that role.

I don't necessarily agree with that point at this particular moment in time.

manual_man

A wing back is between a full back and a winger in terms of position. Hence the name. Saw enough of Young pre season to have him in my team anyway, latest news has just cemented that decision. He will get into forward positions a lot. United will score goals. He may well benefit from new bp system also. He might not be 100% reliable in the long term, but getting points on the board is the most important, and I fancy his chances in the short term at least. Definitely in my gw1 lineup

Dearg81

MarkSRFC21 wrote: »

Any advice for this team.

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Howard

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Gibbs

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lovren

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felipe luis

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debuchy

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coutinho

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fabregas

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Ramsey

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Henderson

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Costa

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Rooney

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Subs- krul ----bojan

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Bruce

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besic


Who should be my captain and any changes I should make?

Rooney. I'd ditch Gibbs as he's made of glass and Arsenal have a tough start. Maybe get Evans in if he's fit or a United wing back, I hear they are playing so high up the pitch they get nose bleeds

FHFC

Quit arguing and just get Mata lads!