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General FPL Chat 2014/15 MOD WARNING POST 1839

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,810 ✭✭✭✭jimmii


    Chesty08 wrote: »
    What am I doing wrong here? My (c) pts as % of Highest Possible (c) pts is 46.54%

    What are you doing right more like!! A couple of weeks who the guy ranked number 1 said his was 60% or something ridiculous like that. That was using the gargatron not sure if this system works it out in a different way or something but it shouldn't really.

    I think the (c) % above is the contribution of your captain to your overall score not the % of the best possible in case that is the mix up. On my mobile and haven't read the whole thing so not 100%! Going to add mine tomorrow.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,747 ✭✭✭Ziegler1988


    This has confirmed busts lamentable captain choices anyway, his captain points % is absolutely miles behind the rest of us.

    Remember that you will need to double your vc's total for the purposes of this list, a few haven't by the looks of it.

    I doubt even FHFC's captain sob story can beat that low score :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,472 ✭✭✭AdMMM


    shano_88 wrote: »
    boardsie | overall pts | (C) pts | (C) % | (VC) pts | best of (C)/(VC) pts | bench pts
    iroced | 1691 | 366 | 21.64 | 424 | 1782 | 133
    Swiper | 1767 | 406 | 22.98 | 320 | 1827 | 196
    Ziegler1988 | 1792 | 426 | 23.77 | 410 | 1873 | 146
    AdMMM | 1695 | 372 | 21.95 | 314 | 1743 | 206
    CrabieCrawford | 1795 | 440 | 24.51 | 266 | 1828 | 145
    G1032 | 1644 | 372 | 22.63 | 372 | 1716 | 151
    Suarezistheman | 1686 | 426 | 25.27 | 354 | 1736 | 108
    Iused2likebusts | 1752 | 324 | 18.49 | 380 | 1837 | 138
    Invincible | 1687 | 368 | 21.81 | 318 | 1734 | 122
    Shano88 | 1707 | 332 | 19.45 | 368 | 1789 | 121

    Just multiplied all the non-doubled VC points.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,463 ✭✭✭✭km79


    I doubt even FHFC's captain sob story can beat that low score :p

    I'm almost too embarrassed to post mine but I will .........Captiancy has absolutely killed me. Aguero last few weeks a case in point


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,463 ✭✭✭✭km79


    can't figure out how to do best c\vc points and the table so maybe someone will add them
    anyway here is the tale of woe
    points 1541
    captain points 254
    %captain 16.48
    VC points 318
    C points as highest possible % 35.67
    bench points 166

    :(


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,636 ✭✭✭✭Rikand


    boardsie | overall pts | (C) pts | (C) % | (VC) pts | best of (C)/(VC) pts | bench pts
    iroced | 1691 | 366 | 21.64 | 424 | 1782 | 133
    Swiper | 1767 | 406 | 22.98 | 320 | 1827 | 196
    Ziegler1988 | 1792 | 426 | 23.77 | 410 | 1873 | 146
    AdMMM | 1695 | 372 | 21.95 | 157 | 1743 | 206
    CrabieCrawford | 1795 | 440 | 24.51 | 266 | 1828 | 145
    G1032 | 1644 | 372 | 22.63 | 372 | 1716 | 151
    Suarezistheman | 1686 | 426 | 25.27 | 177 | 1736 | 108
    Iused2likebusts | 1752 | 324 | 18.49 | 380 | 1837 | 138
    Invincible | 1687 | 368 | 21.81 | 159 | 1734 | 122
    Shano88 | 1707 | 332 | 19.45 | 368 | 1789 | 121
    km79 | 1541 | 254 | 16.48 | 316 | 35.67 | 166
    Rikand | 1710 | 418 | 24.44 | 170 | 1768 | 136

    Added you there Km78, though not entirely sure what figure you entered in for the Best of C/VC :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,636 ✭✭✭✭Rikand


    km79 wrote: »
    can't figure out how to do best c\vc points

    I think this is the line you're looking for ::

    Possible Total Points if you Always Captained Highest Scorer out of (C) and (VC)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,477 ✭✭✭Invincible


    Rikand wrote: »
    I think this is the line you're looking for ::

    Possible Total Points if you Always Captained Highest Scorer out of (C) and (VC)

    Who is Km78 :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,636 ✭✭✭✭Rikand


    Invincible wrote: »
    Who is Km78 :D

    no-one likes a smarty pants lol :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,083 ✭✭✭Chesty08


    jimmii wrote: »
    What are you doing right more like!! A couple of weeks who the guy ranked number 1 said his was 60% or something ridiculous like that. That was using the gargatron not sure if this system works it out in a different way or something but it shouldn't really.

    I think the (c) % above is the contribution of your captain to your overall score not the % of the best possible in case that is the mix up. On my mobile and haven't read the whole thing so not 100%! Going to add mine tomorrow.

    My (c) % of my overall score is measly 20.02%

    I couldn't see the line for best possible score


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,274 ✭✭✭✭FHFC


    I doubt even FHFC's captain sob story can beat that low score :p

    Busts was only marginally better than mine that time. I've a slight improvement since probably and Kane v Aguero last week would have made a big difference.

    Will post mine when I get into work.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,022 ✭✭✭✭Iused2likebusts


    G1032 wrote: »
    It's a truly outstanding score so far by busts considering his captain choices. Without going into any detail it's highly likely that with a few better picks he'd be right up near the top of the world rankings.

    The thing is I haven't really taken any mad risks with my captain choices. I played my wildcard right at the start when costa was supposed to be injured so missed his 2 big hauls. The odd time I got it right like Aguero v spurs a lot of people got him in as VC when costa didn't play. Just seen km79 capt score which is way worse than mine . I really didn't think anyone could have had a bigger nightmare with captaincy than I have. I'm assuming he missed the couple of Aguero hauls I got.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,463 ✭✭✭✭km79


    The thing is I haven't really taken any mad risks with my captain choices. I played my wildcard right at the start when costa was supposed to be injured so missed his 2 big hauls. The odd time I got it right like Aguero v spurs a lot of people got him in as VC when costa didn't play. Just seen km79 capt score which is way worse than mine . I really didn't think anyone could have had a bigger nightmare with captaincy than I have. I'm assuming he missed the couple of Aguero hauls I got.

    I have had NO luck with aguero !
    captained him 11 times
    2,2,1(injured after 6 mins),1
    from gw24-30 I capatined him EVERY week bar one (and I captained him for DGW over Kane)
    5,9,5,2,2,2
    and the one week in that stretch I did not captain him he hit his only double figure haul 11
    that sums up my season.
    I was jumping from captain to captain and missing large hauls the following week from aguero in particular. so I said I'd try a new approach and stick with one heavy hitter with good fixtures!
    as benteke has a double next week I'll prob captain him and I KNOW aguero has a MASSIVE score coming soon.........I'll cry if its next week


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,463 ✭✭✭✭km79


    Rikand wrote: »
    boardsie | overall pts | (C) pts | (C) % | (VC) pts | best of (C)/(VC) pts | bench pts
    iroced | 1691 | 366 | 21.64 | 424 | 1782 | 133
    Swiper | 1767 | 406 | 22.98 | 320 | 1827 | 196
    Ziegler1988 | 1792 | 426 | 23.77 | 410 | 1873 | 146
    AdMMM | 1695 | 372 | 21.95 | 157 | 1743 | 206
    CrabieCrawford | 1795 | 440 | 24.51 | 266 | 1828 | 145
    G1032 | 1644 | 372 | 22.63 | 372 | 1716 | 151
    Suarezistheman | 1686 | 426 | 25.27 | 177 | 1736 | 108
    Iused2likebusts | 1752 | 324 | 18.49 | 380 | 1837 | 138
    Invincible | 1687 | 368 | 21.81 | 159 | 1734 | 122
    Shano88 | 1707 | 332 | 19.45 | 368 | 1789 | 121
    km79 | 1541 | 254 | 16.48 | 316 | 1612 | 166
    Rikand | 1710 | 418 | 24.44 | 170 | 1768 | 136

    Added you there Km78, though not entirely sure what figure you entered in for the Best of C/VC :)
    1612 fixed it there


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,553 ✭✭✭✭Copper_pipe


    Total Points for the above Gameweeks : 1624

    Total Benched Points for the above Gameweeks : 163

    Total Captain Points : 330

    Total Captain Points as % of Overall Score : 20.32%

    Total Vice-Captain Points : 175

    Possible Total Points if you Always Captained Highest Scorer out of (C) and (VC) : 1707

    i think thats everything...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,083 ✭✭✭Chesty08


    I have just checked my stats!

    If I always captained the highest GW scorer I would be on 2150

    Possible Total Points if you Always Captained Highest Scorer out of (C) and (VC) : 1855

    Tbh I never really put any thought into my VC as I usually change the (C) near the deadline when I'm sure of who is starting. Feels like alot of points lost :( and something that has been plaguing me all season (in comparison to my rivals)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,354 ✭✭✭G1032


    km79 wrote: »
    I have had NO luck with aguero !
    captained him 11 times
    2,2,1(injured after 6 mins),1
    from gw24-30 I capatined him EVERY week bar one (and I captained him for DGW over Kane)
    5,9,5,2,2,2
    and the one week in that stretch I did not captain him he hit his only double figure haul 11
    that sums up my season.
    I was jumping from captain to captain and missing large hauls the following week from aguero in particular. so I said I'd try a new approach and stick with one heavy hitter with good fixtures!
    as benteke has a double next week I'll prob captain him and I KNOW aguero has a MASSIVE score coming soon.........I'll cry if its next week

    I'm going with Benteke too.........!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,472 ✭✭✭AdMMM


    boardsie | overall pts | (C) pts | (C) % | (VC) pts | best of (C)/(VC) pts | bench pts
    iroced | 1691 | 366 | 21.64 | 424 | 1782 | 133
    Swiper | 1767 | 406 | 22.98 | 320 | 1827 | 196
    Ziegler1988 | 1792 | 426 | 23.77 | 410 | 1873 | 146
    AdMMM | 1695 | 372 | 21.95 | 315 | 1743 | 206
    CrabieCrawford | 1795 | 440 | 24.51 | 266 | 1828 | 145
    G1032 | 1644 | 372 | 22.63 | 372 | 1716 | 151
    Suarezistheman | 1686 | 426 | 25.27 | 354 | 1736 | 108
    Iused2likebusts | 1752 | 324 | 18.49 | 380 | 1837 | 138
    Invincible | 1687 | 368 | 21.81 | 318 | 1734 | 122
    Shano88 | 1707 | 332 | 19.45 | 368 | 1789 | 121
    km79 | 1541 | 254 | 16.48 | 316 | 35.67 | 166
    Rikand | 1710 | 418 | 24.44 | 340 | 1768 | 136

    Just took the liberty of multiplying everyone's VC figure who didn't multiply it by 2 :).

    My benched points are pretty high. Is this simply the additional points you could have had if you picked the higher scoring player that week e.g. if I picked Clyne and he scores 2, but Chambers on my bench scores 6 then is that +4 benched points? Or is it simply the amount of points on the bench e.g. Chambers scoring 6 would always count as 6 points regardless of what my actual selected player scored?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,131 ✭✭✭NabyLadistheman


    I have the highest percentage of captains points and the lowest benched points. Must figure out where I've lost points now! Least Im maximising on those parts of the game.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,274 ✭✭✭✭FHFC


    boardsie | overall pts | (C) pts | (C) % | (VC) pts | best of (C)/(VC) pts | bench pts
    iroced | 1691 | 366 | 21.64 | 424 | 1782 | 133
    Swiper | 1767 | 406 | 22.98 | 320 | 1827 | 196
    Ziegler1988 | 1792 | 426 | 23.77 | 410 | 1873 | 146
    AdMMM | 1695 | 372 | 21.95 | 315 | 1743 | 206
    CrabieCrawford | 1795 | 440 | 24.51 | 266 | 1828 | 145
    G1032 | 1644 | 372 | 22.63 | 372 | 1716 | 151
    Suarezistheman | 1686 | 426 | 25.27 | 354 | 1736 | 108
    Iused2likebusts | 1752 | 324 | 18.49 | 380 | 1837 | 138
    Invincible | 1687 | 368 | 21.81 | 318 | 1734 | 122
    Shano88 | 1707 | 332 | 19.45 | 368 | 1789 | 121
    km79 | 1541 | 254 | 16.48 | 316 | 35.67 | 166
    Rikand | 1710 | 418 | 24.44 | 340 | 1768 | 136
    FHFC | 1749 | 350 | 20.01 | 324 | 1823 | 142

    Until the Kane v Aguero captaincy this week I was actually doing worse that Busts (it would have been 316 to Bust's 320 total captain points up to last week).

    In relation to the overall thread and G1032's original post, I think that the percentage of the game that is luck can make all the difference and tip you from a poor run of backing the wrong players into a disasterous slump. While somebody else making similar bad choices of players will get away with it, sometimes when you make the wrong choices you need the rest of your team to pull you out somewhere else.

    For example, I made some very similar choices to G1032.
    • I went with Pelle in my wildcard over Kane from GW23-25 (Pelle 6 points, Kane 36 points).
    • I also went with ADM and stuck with him for 5 long weeks.
    • I sold Giroud in GW25 for Costa, switching Costa to Sturridge the week after.
    • I stuck with Sanchez over Ozil/Cazorla, despite having sold him for one week the week he missed in GW24 so had no money tied up in him.
    • Worse still I sold Sanchez for Silva that week, but switched back to Sanchez and captained him for Leicester in GW25! Since I made that switch Sanchez has scored 20 points and Silva has scored 46!!! :eek:

    So what has kept me from free falling similarly over that period where I arguably made worse moves than G1032 has been getting the captains right on Kane (GW30 and DGW28) and Aguero GW26. Also Puncheon stepped up one week for me for 18 points, and I had a couple of decent scores from PVA and Bellerin at the back (24 points between them in GW23). Also this week I reluctantly made the move from Sturridge to Costa and caught a modest gain of 5 points.

    Sorry I looked at this now as even jut Pelle V Kane and Sanchez V Silva costing me 56 points is somewhat depressing! I would be well inside the top 1k.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,810 ✭✭✭✭jimmii


    boardsie | overall pts | (C) pts | (C) % | (VC) pts | best of (C)/(VC) pts | bench pts
    iroced | 1691 | 366 | 21.64 | 424 | 1782 | 133
    Swiper | 1767 | 406 | 22.98 | 320 | 1827 | 196
    Ziegler1988 | 1792 | 426 | 23.77 | 410 | 1873 | 146
    AdMMM | 1695 | 372 | 21.95 | 315 | 1743 | 206
    CrabieCrawford | 1795 | 440 | 24.51 | 266 | 1828 | 145
    G1032 | 1644 | 372 | 22.63 | 372 | 1716 | 151
    Suarezistheman | 1686 | 426 | 25.27 | 354 | 1736 | 108
    Iused2likebusts | 1752 | 324 | 18.49 | 380 | 1837 | 138
    Invincible | 1687 | 368 | 21.81 | 318 | 1734 | 122
    Shano88 | 1707 | 332 | 19.45 | 368 | 1789 | 121
    km79 | 1541 | 254 | 16.48 | 316 | 1612 | 166
    Rikand | 1710 | 418 | 24.44 | 340 | 1768 | 136
    FHFC | 1749 | 350 | 20.01 | 324 | 1823 | 142
    jimmii | 1755 | 342 | 19.49 | 408 | 1839 | 166

    I always knew my captain score wouldn't be great didn't expect it to be that far down the list though. I can't understand how some peoples (vc) score is so low are people sticking it on random players instead of having a solid back up?

    Even if I had got it perfect between (c) & (vc) every week I still wouldn't be in the top 100 wtf are those guys at!!

    Corrected km79s best of score.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,725 ✭✭✭kennyb3


    Total Points for the above Gameweeks : 1739

    Total Benched Points for the above Gameweeks : 154

    Total Captain Points : 376

    Total Captain Points as % of Overall Score : 21.62%

    Total Vice-Captain Points : 183

    Possible Total Points if you Always Captained Highest Scorer out of (C) and (VC) : 1806


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,747 ✭✭✭Ziegler1988


    Rank | overall pts | (C) pts | (C) % | (VC) pts | best of (C)/(VC) pts | | bench pts
    Number 1 | 1923 | 392 | 20.38 | 374 | 1986 || 276

    Number one in the world's stats for anyone that's interested


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,810 ✭✭✭✭jimmii


    kennyb3 wrote: »
    Total Points for the above Gameweeks : 1739

    Total Benched Points for the above Gameweeks : 154

    Total Captain Points : 376

    Total Captain Points as % of Overall Score : 21.62%

    Total Vice-Captain Points : 183

    Possible Total Points if you Always Captained Highest Scorer out of (C) and (VC) : 1806

    boardsie | overall pts | (C) pts | (C) % | (VC) pts | best of (C)/(VC) pts | bench pts
    iroced | 1691 | 366 | 21.64 | 424 | 1782 | 133
    Swiper | 1767 | 406 | 22.98 | 320 | 1827 | 196
    Ziegler1988 | 1792 | 426 | 23.77 | 410 | 1873 | 146
    AdMMM | 1695 | 372 | 21.95 | 315 | 1743 | 206
    CrabieCrawford | 1795 | 440 | 24.51 | 266 | 1828 | 145
    G1032 | 1644 | 372 | 22.63 | 372 | 1716 | 151
    Suarezistheman | 1686 | 426 | 25.27 | 354 | 1736 | 108
    Iused2likebusts | 1752 | 324 | 18.49 | 380 | 1837 | 138
    Invincible | 1687 | 368 | 21.81 | 318 | 1734 | 122
    Shano88 | 1707 | 332 | 19.45 | 368 | 1789 | 121
    km79 | 1541 | 254 | 16.48 | 316 | 1612 | 166
    Rikand | 1710 | 418 | 24.44 | 340 | 1768 | 136
    FHFC | 1749 | 350 | 20.01 | 324 | 1823 | 142
    jimmii | 1755 | 342 | 19.49 | 408 | 1839 | 166
    kennyb3 | 1739 | 376 | 21.62 | 366 | 1806 | 154


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,022 ✭✭✭✭Iused2likebusts


    Rank | overall pts | (C) pts | (C) % | (VC) pts | best of (C)/(VC) pts | | bench pts
    Number 1 | 1923 | 392 | 20.38 | 374 | 1986 || 276

    Number one in the world's stats for anyone that's interested

    That's some amount of benched pts from him


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,810 ✭✭✭✭jimmii


    That's some amount of benched pts from him

    On the FFS scoutcast he mentioned that he liked to have a well balanced squad does seem insane to have that many points there though! If there was a stat for max score from squad each week presumably he would be well over 2000 points at this stage.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,938 ✭✭✭AdpRo


    boardsie | overall pts | (C) pts | (C) % | (VC) pts | best of (C)/(VC) pts | bench pts
    iroced | 1691 | 366 | 21.64 | 424 | 1782 | 133
    Swiper | 1767 | 406 | 22.98 | 320 | 1827 | 196
    Ziegler1988 | 1792 | 426 | 23.77 | 410 | 1873 | 146
    AdMMM | 1695 | 372 | 21.95 | 315 | 1743 | 206
    CrabieCrawford | 1795 | 440 | 24.51 | 266 | 1828 | 145
    G1032 | 1644 | 372 | 22.63 | 372 | 1716 | 151
    Suarezistheman | 1686 | 426 | 25.27 | 354 | 1736 | 108
    Iused2likebusts | 1752 | 324 | 18.49 | 380 | 1837 | 138
    Invincible | 1687 | 368 | 21.81 | 318 | 1734 | 122
    Shano88 | 1707 | 332 | 19.45 | 368 | 1789 | 121
    km79 | 1541 | 254 | 16.48 | 316 | 1612 | 166
    Rikand | 1710 | 418 | 24.44 | 340 | 1768 | 136
    FHFC | 1749 | 350 | 20.01 | 324 | 1823 | 142
    jimmii | 1755 | 342 | 19.49 | 408 | 1839 | 166
    kennyb3 | 1739 | 376 | 21.62 | 366 | 1806 | 154
    AdpRo | 1670 | 398 | 23.83 | 294 | 1710 | 114


    I seem to have an above average captain points but I am well down the rankings, must try and figure out what went wrong. In saying that I am doing well in most of the h2h leagues so I am putting it down to a very poor start, I was at 715k after GW5, back up to 151k after GW 8 then down to 507k after GW 12, I ahve climbed steadily from then on to a current season high ranking of 39k!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,810 ✭✭✭✭jimmii


    AdpRo wrote: »
    I seem to have an above average captain points but I am well down the rankings, must try and figure out what went wrong. In saying that I am doing well in most of the h2h leagues so I am putting it down to a very poor start, I was at 715k after GW5, back up to 151k after GW 8 then down to 507k after GW 12, I ahve climbed steadily from then on to a current season high ranking of 39k!

    Thats not even that bad I was outside the top million at GW7 back to back 2m+ gw ranks in GW4 & GW5 was killer I always seem to start like that though never been able to get off to a good one! It was GW8 that turned it around for me too jumped almost 950k places in the one week! I wish every week was like GW8.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,022 ✭✭✭✭Iused2likebusts


    jimmii wrote: »
    On the FFS scoutcast he mentioned that he liked to have a well balanced squad does seem insane to have that many points there though! If there was a stat for max score from squad each week presumably he would be well over 2000 points at this stage.

    With a well balanced squad he can maybe be more patient with his transfers. Holding onto suspended or players with minor injuries and ends up taking less points hits. Most of us are obsessed with team value and having as cheap a bench as possible. I'm beginning to think this may not be the ideal strategy. It's a killer leaving pts on your bench but at the end of the day it's good as you own that player. There hasn't been a need this season for a huge budget as Kane is so cheap and a load of cheap mids strikers have been performing.

    On a separate note did you see the start the sub keeper came up trumps at the weekend. If anyone had Forster Davis. Forster 1 pt Davis 7 pts. I think I'm going to try it next year.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,083 ✭✭✭Chesty08


    boardsie | overall pts | (C) pts | (C) % | (VC) pts | best of (C)/(VC) pts | bench pts
    iroced | 1691 | 366 | 21.64 | 424 | 1782 | 133
    Swiper | 1767 | 406 | 22.98 | 320 | 1827 | 196
    Ziegler1988 | 1792 | 426 | 23.77 | 410 | 1873 | 146
    AdMMM | 1695 | 372 | 21.95 | 315 | 1743 | 206
    CrabieCrawford | 1795 | 440 | 24.51 | 266 | 1828 | 145
    G1032 | 1644 | 372 | 22.63 | 372 | 1716 | 151
    Suarezistheman | 1686 | 426 | 25.27 | 354 | 1736 | 108
    Iused2likebusts | 1752 | 324 | 18.49 | 380 | 1837 | 138
    Invincible | 1687 | 368 | 21.81 | 318 | 1734 | 122
    Shano88 | 1707 | 332 | 19.45 | 368 | 1789 | 121
    km79 | 1541 | 254 | 16.48 | 316 | 1612 | 166
    Rikand | 1710 | 418 | 24.44 | 340 | 1768 | 136
    FHFC | 1749 | 350 | 20.01 | 324 | 1823 | 142
    jimmii | 1755 | 342 | 19.49 | 408 | 1839 | 166
    Chesty | 1748 | 350 | 20.02 | 232 | 1855 | 104

    It safe to say I don't think much of having a bench :)


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